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WMR
01-29-2007, 12:49 PM
Euthanized, per ESPN. :(

Poor Barbaro, I was hoping he'd make it.

RedFanAlways1966
01-29-2007, 12:51 PM
Sad. I hope the work that was done on him somehow helps future horses with the same problem, so that we can find a small bright side in this. Such a beautiful animal.

BRM
01-29-2007, 12:53 PM
KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. -- Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro was euthanized Monday after complications from his breakdown at the Preakness last May.

"We just reached a point where it was going to be difficult for him to go on without pain," co-owner Roy Jackson said. "It was the right decision, it was the right thing to do. We said all along if there was a situation where it would become more difficult for him then it would be time."

Roy and Gretchen Jackson were with Barbaro on Monday morning, with the owners making the decision in consultation with chief surgeon Dean Richardson.

It was a series of complications, including laminitis in the left rear hoof and a recent abscess in the right rear hoof, that proved to be too much for the gallant colt, whose breakdown brought an outpouring of support across the country.

"I would say thank you for everything, and all your thoughts and prayers over the last eight months or so," Jackson said to Barbaro's fans.

On May 20, Barbaro was rushed to the New Bolton Center, about 30 miles southwest of Philadelphia in Kennett Square, hours after shattering his right hind leg just a few strides into the Preakness Stakes. The bay colt underwent a five-hour operation that fused two joints, recovering from an injury most horses never survive. Barbaro lived for eight more months, though he never again walked with a normal gait.

The Kentucky Derby winner suffered a significant setback over the weekend, and surgery was required to insert two steel pins in a bone -- one of three shattered eight months ago in the Preakness but now healthy -- to eliminate all weight bearing on the ailing right rear foot.

The procedure on Saturday was a risky one, because it transfered more weight to the leg while the foot rests on the ground bearing no weight.

The leg was on the mend until the abscess began causing discomfort last week. Until then, the major concern was Barbaro's left rear leg, which developed laminitis in July, and 80 percent of the hoof was removed.

Richardson said Monday morning that Barbaro did not have a good night.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2747087)

Sweetstop
01-29-2007, 01:05 PM
Makes me sad. He was beautiful and a fighter.

Javy Pornstache
01-29-2007, 01:15 PM
Hate to hear that. Heard a lot of good news on Barbaro over the months and all of a sudden, a turn for the worse.

TeamSelig
01-29-2007, 01:23 PM
sad story... was hoping he would make it

however, if this is the only story ESPN talks about for the next week I am going to kill myself

savafan
01-29-2007, 01:25 PM
however, if this is the only story ESPN talks about for the next week I am going to kill myself

Remember me in your will TS

macro
01-29-2007, 01:38 PM
sad story... was hoping he would make it

however, if this is the only story ESPN talks about for the next week I am going to kill myself

Look on the bright side. At least it won't be news about T.O. :D

Ltlabner
01-29-2007, 01:50 PM
I don't know why I feal connected to this animal. I'm an animal lover but I'm not a huge horse racing fan or anything. But just seeing/hearing about the accident and hearing the periodic updates I was really rooting that he'd pull through.

Sad.

Chip R
01-29-2007, 01:50 PM
sad story... was hoping he would make it

however, if this is the only story ESPN talks about for the next week I am going to kill myself


Thank God for the Super Bowl, huh? If this had happened next week, then there'd be non-stop Barbaro-talk.

IowaRed
01-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Reminds me of how I felt as a kid when Ruffian went down. My sister, who is now a vet., was inconsolable when she found out Ruffian was to be put to sleep. Sad story

Ben
01-29-2007, 02:04 PM
yeah, RIP Barbaro...watching him go down in the Belmont (I can't remember which one it was) gave me the same feeling as watching Carson Palmer get hurt in the playoff game. It was one of those moments where you want to yell out in anger while crying out in sadness at the same time. Although CP made it back better than ever, I was hoping for the same for Barbaro. At least he'll be in a better place...RIP once again Barbaro

LoganBuck
01-29-2007, 03:20 PM
yeah, RIP Barbaro...watching him go down in the Belmont (I can't remember which one it was) gave me the same feeling as watching Carson Palmer get hurt in the playoff game. It was one of those moments where you want to yell out in anger while crying out in sadness at the same time. Although CP made it back better than ever, I was hoping for the same for Barbaro. At least he'll be in a better place...RIP once again Barbaro

The essence of being involved with livestock on a daily basis..........

Quietly those that deal with livestock on a daily basis don't like how much attention that ESPN has put on this. This horse probably should have been put down a while ago. ESPNews is running a report talking about how close he was to coming through all this. To quote a very accomplished Veterinarian I know, "That horse was dead the second his leg snapped. They are going to waste millions, and only prolong his suffering. The next time this happens, and it will happen again, the outcry will be "They did it for Barbaro, why not (insert generic horse name)." This veterinarian I know actually knows the head vet in charge of Barbaro. He knew the situation was very grim. I remember in the fall, there were reports that Barbaro would probably recover, and I saw the vet say that he was not out of the woods by any means, and ESPN ran with it like he would be mounting mares soon. Just a sad situation the whole way around.

Just stating the facts.

Red Heeler
01-29-2007, 05:40 PM
The essence of being involved with livestock on a daily basis..........

Quietly those that deal with livestock on a daily basis don't like how much attention that ESPN has put on this. This horse probably should have been put down a while ago. ESPNews is running a report talking about how close he was to coming through all this. To quote a very accomplished Veterinarian I know, "That horse was dead the second his leg snapped. They are going to waste millions, and only prolong his suffering. The next time this happens, and it will happen again, the outcry will be "They did it for Barbaro, why not (insert generic horse name)." This veterinarian I know actually knows the head vet in charge of Barbaro. He knew the situation was very grim. I remember in the fall, there were reports that Barbaro would probably recover, and I saw the vet say that he was not out of the woods by any means, and ESPN ran with it like he would be mounting mares soon. Just a sad situation the whole way around.

Just stating the facts.

As an equine veterinarian, I knew very well that his chances for survival were slim at best. However, if we never try to save these animals, we will never know if it can be done. Equine orthopedics will advance due to this case, and the next, and the next. Eventually, a horse's life will be saved that would not be possible today.

The attention that this case got from the national media will undoubtedly raise a great deal of money for veterinary research. I don't mind it a bit.

Highlifeman21
01-29-2007, 07:13 PM
I went out to see Barbaro at Kennett Square and he was a beautiful horse, and just had a primadonna swagger to him, which was amusing to me. The horse knew he was a big deal, and knew that many people cared for him.

Sad to see him go.

dman
01-29-2007, 09:07 PM
I'm on the fence about this whole thing. I guess if Barbaro's owner(s) were willing to fork out the cash to save him, then hopefully what they have learned out of this ordeal will help in another area of equine health.

TeamBoone
01-29-2007, 09:21 PM
I was so sad to hear this. He hung on for so long. Breaks my heart. :(

George Foster
01-29-2007, 09:37 PM
I was so sad to hear this. He hung on for so long. Breaks my heart. :(

Sad day here in Kentucky. He was a man among boys. He dominated the derby, and would have won the triple crown. I watch a lot of horse racing and he was the real deal. He could not wait to race in Baltimore, if you remember, he busted out of the gate early. I don't cry much but I cried when I saw him break his leg, I knew his career was over.

The only reason they tried so hard to save him was for the stud fee. This is not a bad thing. A wonderful legacy for Barbaro would be for him to sire another Kentucky Derby winner.

Note: It is a rule that all horses that race in triple crown races must be conceived by natural means.

WMR
01-30-2007, 01:32 AM
Sad day here in Kentucky. He was a man among boys. He dominated the derby, and would have won the triple crown. I watch a lot of horse racing and he was the real deal. He could not wait to race in Baltimore, if you remember, he busted out of the gate early. I don't cry much but I cried when I saw him break his leg, I knew his career was over.

The only reason they tried so hard to save him was for the stud fee. This is not a bad thing. A wonderful legacy for Barbaro would be for him to sire another Kentucky Derby winner.

Note: It is a rule that all horses that race in triple crown races must be conceived by natural means.

Do you know if they preserved/harvested any of his semen?

savafan
01-30-2007, 01:41 AM
Note: It is a rule that all horses that race in triple crown races must be conceived by natural means.

Too bad Barbaro didn't contact Hospice for a final wish.

LoganBuck
01-30-2007, 07:28 AM
Do you know if they preserved/harvested any of his semen?

Thoroughbreds must be concieved naturally. Artificial Insemination is not allowed.

Red Heeler
01-30-2007, 07:58 AM
Thoroughbreds must be concieved naturally. Artificial Insemination is not allowed.

I'll bet they tried to freeze some semen "just in case." The problem is that he may not have been producing many live sperm cells. A healthy three year old race horse is likely to be subfertile due to the high level of training they are in. Add in the stress of Barbaro's injuries, and he may have been shooting blanks. While I was in school, we attempted to harvest semen from a stallion with severe laminitis in both front feet. We did not recover any viable sperm.

Honestly, the natural service rule would be unlikely to hold up in court if it were challenged. The American Quarter Horse Association was sued for restraint of trade several years ago over a rule that a mare could only have one offspring per year by embryo transfer. A Texas court ruled in favor of the plaintiff, and the rule was changed.

minus5
01-30-2007, 10:29 AM
Oh never mind. I thought John Travolta died when I glanced at the thread title.
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LoganBuck
01-30-2007, 12:40 PM
I'll bet they tried to freeze some semen "just in case." The problem is that he may not have been producing many live sperm cells. A healthy three year old race horse is likely to be subfertile due to the high level of training they are in. Add in the stress of Barbaro's injuries, and he may have been shooting blanks. While I was in school, we attempted to harvest semen from a stallion with severe laminitis in both front feet. We did not recover any viable sperm.

Honestly, the natural service rule would be unlikely to hold up in court if it were challenged. The American Quarter Horse Association was sued for restraint of trade several years ago over a rule that a mare could only have one offspring per year by embryo transfer. A Texas court ruled in favor of the plaintiff, and the rule was changed.

Given the nature of Barbaro's injury I would be leery of using him for breeding. Race horses have this problem enough.

I have thought for a while that they should clone Funny Cide. I am sure they have come up with rules about this but the issue is the same. Funny Cide was a gelding because he had a nondescended testicle, his clone would not, allowing his genetics to be realized. I don't think cloning Barbaro would be a good idea, as he suffered this type of injury. The industry has enough problems with this why let Barbaro continue to spread the fragile bones, through his popularity.

Red Heeler
01-30-2007, 12:53 PM
Given the nature of Barbaro's injury I would be leery of using him for breeding. Race horses have this problem enough.

I have thought for a while that they should clone Funny Cide. I am sure they have come up with rules about this but the issue is the same. Funny Cide was a gelding because he had a nondescended testicle, his clone would not, allowing his genetics to be realized. I don't think cloning Barbaro would be a good idea, as he suffered this type of injury. The industry has enough problems with this why let Barbaro continue to spread the fragile bones, through his popularity.

I don't disagree with you about the wisdom of breeding to Barbaro. OTOH, don't kid yourself into believing that there wouldn't be a line around the corner for a chance to use his semen if it were available. One of the many problems with the racehorse industry is that they have spent decades breeding for nothing but speed. Soundness be damned.

Cloning is going to be the American Quarter Horse Association's next legal battle. Right now, cloned animals cannot be registered. However, the same group of people who sued to get the embryo transfer rule changed have already cloned the all-time leading sire and dam of cutting horses. It will be interesting to see what happens when they sue AQHA again.

LoganBuck
01-30-2007, 10:22 PM
I don't disagree with you about the wisdom of breeding to Barbaro. OTOH, don't kid yourself into believing that there wouldn't be a line around the corner for a chance to use his semen if it were available. One of the many problems with the racehorse industry is that they have spent decades breeding for nothing but speed. Soundness be damned.



I know it, it happens in all species. People see dollar signs and throw common sense out the window.

George Foster
01-30-2007, 10:31 PM
Given the nature of Barbaro's injury I would be leery of using him for breeding. Race horses have this problem enough.

I have thought for a while that they should clone Funny Cide. I am sure they have come up with rules about this but the issue is the same. Funny Cide was a gelding because he had a nondescended testicle, his clone would not, allowing his genetics to be realized. I don't think cloning Barbaro would be a good idea, as he suffered this type of injury. The industry has enough problems with this why let Barbaro continue to spread the fragile bones, through his popularity.

Any horse can break their leg, he was bumped and went hard right and broke his leg, it was a freak accident. It's a moot point however.

LoganBuck
01-30-2007, 10:50 PM
Any horse can break their leg, he was bumped and went hard right and broke his leg, it was a freak accident. It's a moot point however.

Genetics have a big role to play in situations like this. Holstein dairy cattle have been correctively mated for years to have straighter legs that require less hoof trimming and provide for longer lives, a side consequence is that they have less flexibility in their stifle joints, and have higher pins, with their thurls placed back. Which means that instead of moving in or flexing the legs move out on slick surfaces, or in times of excitement. A recipe for ligament and cartilage tears, it may affect 1 in 100 but the recipe is there for others to be affected. Horses are bred for speed, which means longer lighter bones, and more muscle to provide torque. Barbaro shows the extreme negative effect from this breeding. True any horse can break their leg, but this is more of an indictment on the current system then on one individual horse. And like Red Heeler said, people would have been lined up around the block for his semen to perpetuate his genetic influence.