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GAC
02-04-2007, 09:34 PM
It's still in the 3rd quarter - 16-14 Colts - but the Bears ought to be thankful this is not being played in a dome stadium. They'd be getting murdered.

One sloppy Super Bowl. The rain has been more of an advantage for the Bears then the Colts. No one expected much from Grossman/Bear's offense; but the rain has slowed the Colt's "O" up to this point.

But now the Bear's "D" is starting to wear down from being on the field too much. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears don't score another point in this game.

But Manning is taking what they give him, and he is starting to kill them with the short passing game.

RedFanAlways1966
02-04-2007, 09:36 PM
I'd have to say scoring a TD on the opening kickoff in a championship game is not a good thing.

Ask me a-GINN and I'll tell ya the same thing. :D

GAC
02-04-2007, 09:38 PM
I'd have to say scoring a TD on the opening kickoff in a championship game is not a good thing.

Ask me a-GINN and I'll tell ya the same thing. :D

I thought the very same thing when it occurred. :mooner:

MrCinatit
02-04-2007, 09:48 PM
It seemed for a while no one wanted the ball.
Grossman just got sacked for the second time in a row - it could be beginning to get ugly for the Bears.

On the other hand: For all his flash and fancy and strangeness, Prince showed he can still play a very mean guitar when he gets to playing good old down and dirty rock and roll.

RedFanAlways1966
02-04-2007, 09:57 PM
Well the botched PAT keeps Chicago within one score of tying the game. Running into or roughing? I do not like that rule. If you hit the kicker, it should be a personal foul every time. Very dangerous play for the kicker.

creek14
02-04-2007, 10:42 PM
This game is a bigger mess than my dating life in college. :scared:

But if the Colts hold the Bears and score two FG's,:bang: I'll win $125.

George Foster
02-04-2007, 10:45 PM
I hope the colts win but I want Grossman to at least pass for another TD. I hate to see anybody blamed for a Super Bowl loss.:cry:

15fan
02-04-2007, 10:58 PM
Last year, Atlanta was in the running to host a couple of Super Bowls at the Georgia Dome a few years from now. The Super Bowl committee dinged the Atlanta proposal because the last time the Super Bowl was here (Rams - Titans), a freak ice storm hit the city and made game day travel slightly treacherous. The powers-that-be gave the future Super Bowls to Tampa & Miami.

Then they proceeded to play last year's game in Detroit, and followed it up with this year's game in the middle of a hurricane in Miami.

Karma.

George Foster
02-04-2007, 11:03 PM
It will be back in Miami for many more Super Bowls. Its a 2 week vacation for the NFL bigwigs. There was not a lot of good things to say about Detroit last year, except for Ford Field which is first class.

forfreelin04
02-04-2007, 11:06 PM
Congrats to Peyton, he deserves it! Now just take it easy on the commercials will ya?

MWM
02-04-2007, 11:21 PM
This was a good old fahsioned butt-whooping. The score was close until the 4the quarter, but the Colts dominated pretty much the entire game. The Bears defense looked very average against the Colts offense.

Finally, all this Manning can't win the big game is put to rest. Actually, hopefully that entire argument when it comes to QBs can get put to rest. Teams win Super Bowls, not QBs.

pedro
02-04-2007, 11:56 PM
What a horrible game. the colts offense was good as was the bears D, but for what was supposedly the best 2 teams in the league, I thought it was pretty weak.

best halftime show in many years though. I thought prince rocked.

cincinnati chili
02-05-2007, 12:01 AM
Prince was great.

I actually thought it was a pretty compelling game, despite the fact that the Colts dominated. It was close until the 4th quarter.

The Bears need a new quarterback. I admire Coach Smith for sticking with him, but the poor guy is a proven accidental arsonist.

remdog
02-05-2007, 12:03 AM
best halftime show in many years though. I thought prince rocked.

Yep. Prince just performed professionally. Didn't need gimmicks, didn't need buttons popping, didn't need anything but the music. It was seriously good!

Rem

oneupper
02-05-2007, 12:50 AM
Colts played smart. Smartest thing, IMO was not letting Devin Hester get another return after his game opening runback.

Gave up some field position but...worth it.

savafan
02-05-2007, 12:53 AM
Now just take it easy on the commercials will ya?

Man, some of those I wasn't sure if it was commercials, or if my dad had accidentally flipped on porn in the middle of the game.

oneupper
02-05-2007, 12:54 AM
Yep. Prince just performed professionally. Didn't need gimmicks, didn't need buttons popping, didn't need anything but the music. It was seriously good!

Rem

No Gimmicks? Maybe you didn't see the little "shadow play" with Prince's guitar doubling as a giant phallus?

I'm not a prude (could care less about the JJ nipple show), but after all the backlash from that...this was kind of pushing it (trying to see what they could get away with). Not necessary.

Otherwise, Prince was pretty good. Better than the Stones last year, IMO.

savafan
02-05-2007, 12:54 AM
best halftime show in many years though. I thought prince rocked.

I won't argue with that, Prince put on a good show, and I liked the marching band as well.

guttle11
02-05-2007, 12:57 AM
I don't get Prince. I watched My Boys during halftime.

As far as the game, it went almost to exact predictions, I thought. Congrats Colts.

Reds Freak
02-05-2007, 01:00 AM
I don't know if there has ever been a worst quarterback in the Super Bowl. I wonder if the Bears will look at Troy Smith late in the first round?

bengalsown
02-05-2007, 01:17 AM
I don't know if there has ever been a worst quarterback in the Super Bowl. I wonder if the Bears will look at Troy Smith late in the first round?

Why would they look at Troy Smith? They need to IMPROVE their QB position...

savafan
02-05-2007, 01:25 AM
I don't know if there has ever been a worst quarterback in the Super Bowl. I wonder if the Bears will look at Troy Smith late in the first round?

My sister and I dubbed him "Train" during the game, as in "Train" Rex Grossman. :)

Reds Freak
02-05-2007, 01:30 AM
Why would they look at Troy Smith? They need to IMPROVE their QB position...

I don't know the Bears depth chart well enough, but it doesn't seem that they have any glaring weaknesses besides QB. I would think they might take a chance with a Troy Smith late in the first round since they don't have any other big holes to fill (unless they expect to lose a lot in free agency).

George Foster
02-05-2007, 01:31 AM
I don't know if there has ever been a worst quarterback in the Super Bowl. I wonder if the Bears will look at Troy Smith late in the first round?

This was Grossman's 1st full year as a starter. His team won 13 regular season games. Give him a break. What was Mannings numbers his 1st year as a starter and how many games did he win?

The bears defense left the Colts offense on the field way to long. The offense had too many turnovers. It was a team loss.

Grossman was not great, but he was not the reason they lost the game. He will never be as good as Manning, few will, but he will lead them to the playoffs again next year with the chance to be back in the big game. That is all you can ask of a QB. He will be a better QB next year and the year after that. This is Mannings 9th season in the league I believe.

savafan
02-05-2007, 01:33 AM
The Bears have to be the favorite in the NFC going into next season right now, there's nobody really close to them.

Reds Freak
02-05-2007, 01:47 AM
This was Grossman's 1st full year as a starter. His team won 13 regular season games. Give him a break. What was Mannings numbers his 1st year as a starter and how many games did he win?

The bears defense left the Colts offense on the field way to long. The offense had too many turnovers. It was a team loss.

Grossman was not great, but he was not the reason they lost the game. He will never be as good as Manning, few will, but he will lead them to the playoffs again next year with the chance to be back in the big game. That is all you can ask of a QB. He will be a better QB next year and the year after that. This is Mannings 9th season in the league I believe.

Again, I have seen only a handful of Bears games this year but I would say that the Bears' defense and Jones/Benson led them to the playoffs. While Grossman did have a few good games, most of their wins were despite Rex's turnovers. I really don't have anything against Rex and I hope he does improve, but I don't see how you can have that much confidence in the guy not to turn it over at least 3 times a game.

Dom Heffner
02-05-2007, 01:52 AM
I don't get Prince.

If he were anything other than a musician, he would be beaten up everyday of his life.

Have never understood the fascination.

pedro
02-05-2007, 01:55 AM
I think the Bears would have played better with Brian Griese.

bengalsown
02-05-2007, 02:03 AM
I don't know the Bears depth chart well enough, but it doesn't seem that they have any glaring weaknesses besides QB. I would think they might take a chance with a Troy Smith late in the first round since they don't have any other big holes to fill (unless they expect to lose a lot in free agency).

Troy Smith will be lucky to be drafted on the first day, let alone the first round...

Jpup
02-05-2007, 02:55 AM
The Bears have to be the favorite in the NFC going into next season right now, there's nobody really close to them.

New Orleans will be good again next year. If they can get some help in Free Agency they will be even better. Joe Horn will be back too.

oneupper
02-05-2007, 08:09 AM
The Bears have to be the favorite in the NFC going into next season right now, there's nobody really close to them.

The Bears had the advantage of playing in an awful division this year. They got a bit lucky (which all teams must get to win in the NFL). They won in a fashion similar to the Ravens when they won it all a few years back (defense special teams, very inconsistent offense).

I don't see them repeating as NFC champions. They really aren't that good, IMO.

Caveat Emperor
02-05-2007, 08:50 AM
New Orleans will be good again next year. If they can get some help in Free Agency they will be even better. Joe Horn will be back too.

I wonder whether their defense will hold up for another season. They were a fun team to watch, but it looked like they were getting by defensively with a lot of smoke and mirrors.

The team in the NFC to watch next year is the Eagles. Before McNabb got hurt this year, that team looked like it was going to roll just about everyone in the world.

SandyD
02-05-2007, 09:05 AM
New Orleans will be good again next year. If they can get some help in Free Agency they will be even better. Joe Horn will be back too.

Some are saying the Saints may ask Joe Horn to renegotiate (take a pay cut), which I believe will be a mistake.

And CE, I agree about the defense, and the O-line, too. Both performed beyond expectations. Of course, so did the whole team.

dabvu2498
02-05-2007, 09:51 AM
Starting QB for the 2007 Chicago Bears: Jeff Garcia.

RANDY IN INDY
02-05-2007, 09:57 AM
Or Byron Leftwich.

Heath
02-05-2007, 10:00 AM
I was waiting for Sheena Easton to come out with Prince.

Congratulations Naptown. Your Colts are Worlds Champs.

BTW - Hey, Baltimore. Remember when Modell held the Lombardi Trophy? Sucks with it being in the hands of an Irsay, huh? Turnabout is fair play.

15fan
02-05-2007, 10:03 AM
I don't know if there has ever been a worst quarterback in the Super Bowl.

These guys are certainly in the discussion if you're talking awful in the absolute sense:

Rich Gannon - SB 37

Kerry Collins - SB 35

Neil O'Donnell - SB 30

Elway had absolutely miserable games in SB 22 & SB 24. Craig Morton (4/15 w/ 4 Ints) in SB 12 has quite possibly the worst QB line in any Super Bowl.

RedsFan75
02-05-2007, 10:29 AM
Don't know, ask a Eagles fan and most will jump in and say Jaworski was the worst QB in any Super Bowl.

Hoosier Red
02-05-2007, 12:25 PM
I think it's a bit much to pile this onto Grossman's shoulders.
The offensive coordinator kept him under wraps until it was too late.
The interception for a touchdown was his fault(at least the interception part, how does no body tackle Hayden?)
But the second pick was him throwing deep out of necessity.
I think if you pick his stats versus most quarterbacks playing from behind in the Super Bowl, you won't see many great performances.

I blame the Chicago defense. They couldn't get off the field.

Hoosier Red
02-05-2007, 12:26 PM
Starting QB for the 2007 Chicago Bears: Jeff Garcia.

Aw come on now Dabvu, the Bears fans are down enough.
Why do you need to pile on like that?

Puffy
02-05-2007, 01:31 PM
The team in the NFC to watch next year is the Eagles. Before McNabb got hurt this year, that team looked like it was going to roll just about everyone in the world.

They were 5-4 when he got hurt - they too won with a lot of smoke and mirrors. Their defense is no where near it was when they were a threat and they still have no receivers (Stallworth is always gonna disappear at least 6 games every year. Its why the Saints got rid of him)

The team to watch next year is the Saints. And maybe the Panthers. And the Seahawks.

The Bears will have the super bowl loser meltdown I think.

RedFanAlways1966
02-05-2007, 01:41 PM
On WLW this morning they said that the odds were out for next year's champion. IIRC they said Indy and San Diego were the top 2. Tied for 3rd (10-to-1 odds) are the Bengals, Bears & Pats.

redsfanmia
02-05-2007, 07:46 PM
Marvin Lewis should take a long look at how the Colts do things. The Colts have had a few minor flare ups but over all they have good players who are also good citizens. Chris Henry, Odell Thurman, and the like would not have been drafted by the Colts who value character as well as ability. The Colts are a class organization the Bengals if they were smart would follow thier lead. I am proud to be a Colts fan.

Matt700wlw
02-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Rex Grossman is awful.

GAC
02-05-2007, 09:06 PM
Rex Grossman is awful.

OK - who let that cat out of the bag? :mooner:

Yachtzee
02-05-2007, 10:31 PM
Marvin Lewis should take a long look at how the Colts do things. The Colts have had a few minor flare ups but over all they have good players who are also good citizens. Chris Henry, Odell Thurman, and the like would not have been drafted by the Colts who value character as well as ability. The Colts are a class organization the Bengals if they were smart would follow thier lead. I am proud to be a Colts fan.

Wasn't Mike Doss up on gun charges? The Bengals had a bad year, character-wise, but I would be careful about holding up any team as a paragon of class. All it takes is for a few guys to get picked up for drunk driving and your team is the next talk-show fodder. I'd bet its more likely than not that the Colts have a few guys that can't hand over the keys after having a few. Not picking on the Colts, but I suspect it's a league-wide issue. This year it was the Bengals who had a number of guys get nabbed, next year it will be someone else.

RedsBaron
02-06-2007, 06:11 AM
BTW - Hey, Baltimore. Remember when Modell held the Lombardi Trophy? Sucks with it being in the hands of an Irsay, huh? Turnabout is fair play.

:thumbup: Yeah, I remember the big deal Baltimore Raven fans made a few weeks ago when the Ravens hosted the Colts in a playoff game about how horrible the Irsays were in moving the Colts from Baltimore. Fine, Baltimore then welcomed Modell.

RichRed
02-06-2007, 10:24 AM
These guys are certainly in the discussion if you're talking awful in the absolute sense:

Rich Gannon - SB 37

Kerry Collins - SB 35

Neil O'Donnell - SB 30

Elway had absolutely miserable games in SB 22 & SB 24. Craig Morton (4/15 w/ 4 Ints) in SB 12 has quite possibly the worst QB line in any Super Bowl.

The Dolphins' David Woodley in Super Bowl 17 has to be in this discussion:

4-14, 97 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

And 76 yards came on one TD pass to Jimmy Cefalo. And he didn't have ONE single completion in the 2nd half. Take out that TD pass and you've got 3-13 for 21 yards and 1 INT.

Don Strock relieved him and went 0-3. So a combined effort of 4-17.

George Anderson
02-06-2007, 10:34 AM
Marvin Lewis should take a long look at how the Colts do things. The Colts have had a few minor flare ups but over all they have good players who are also good citizens. Chris Henry, Odell Thurman, and the like would not have been drafted by the Colts who value character as well as ability. The Colts are a class organization the Bengals if they were smart would follow thier lead. I am proud to be a Colts fan.

I think Tony Dungy put it best yesterday at the Victory Celebration when he made the comment that not only was this team full of great football players but there was not one single individual on the team you would not be proud to have as a son. I think thats why Indy has really embraced the Colts over the past few years and have recently thrown the Pacers and their hoodlums under the bus, for years it was the other way around.

Chip R
02-06-2007, 10:52 AM
Looks like the worries about this being a low rated Super Bowl because it involved 2 Midwest teams were unfounded. 2nd highest rated Super Bowl ever and 3rd highest rated TV show ever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070205/sp_nm/superbowl_ratings_dc;_ylt=AjqRUFJvEFdfHwboSEk1R0gw .3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

Razor Shines
02-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Wasn't Mike Doss up on gun charges? The Bengals had a bad year, character-wise, but I would be careful about holding up any team as a paragon of class. All it takes is for a few guys to get picked up for drunk driving and your team is the next talk-show fodder. I'd bet its more likely than not that the Colts have a few guys that can't hand over the keys after having a few. Not picking on the Colts, but I suspect it's a league-wide issue. This year it was the Bengals who had a number of guys get nabbed, next year it will be someone else.

Funny that you mention him. I was at the parade and in the dome yesterday and the one guy acting inappropriately was Mike Doss. At one point he jumped up to where the cheerleaders were and was....I'll say dancing very suggestively with them, and they didn't look too happy about it. I don't have kids yet so my buddies and I thought it was kind of funny but my wife didn't and I don't think it was appropriate for a family event.

And the point you're making is why I've been very careful not to bash the Bengals (atleast for the arrests). While I do think that the Colts' front office does draft players on character more than most teams, I really don't think you can always predict how a person is going to react when they get that money in the bank.

Yachtzee
02-06-2007, 06:05 PM
Funny that you mention him. I was at the parade and in the dome yesterday and the one guy acting inappropriately was Mike Doss. At one point he jumped up to where the cheerleaders were and was....I'll say dancing very suggestively with them, and they didn't look too happy about it. I don't have kids yet so my buddies and I thought it was kind of funny but my wife didn't and I don't think it was appropriate for a family event.

And the point you're making is why I've been very careful not to bash the Bengals too much (atleast for the arrests). While I do think that the Colts' front office does draft players on character more than most teams, I really don't think you can always predict how a person is going to react when they get that money in the bank.

Exactly. You can think that you are doing your homework and picking guys with character, but you really never know what might come. Look at Kirby Puckett. He was highly regarded for his great "character" and then you later hear about his dirty laundry and he suddenly he doesn't seem like such a great guy. A lot of people adored OJ Simpson until the double murder.

When the Bengals brought the guys who have gotten arrested, I'm sure they looked at their character. It's just that some of these guys are the type where you couldn't have predicted that they would have gotten in trouble and the others are of the type where you are willing to chalk up their past issues to youthful indiscretion and give them a shot in hopes that they've learned from the mistakes. The Bengals got burned this year. Next year it will be someone else, and many of the guys who get arrested will be guys you wouldn't have expected.

redsfanmia
02-06-2007, 06:20 PM
Wasn't Mike Doss up on gun charges? The Bengals had a bad year, character-wise, but I would be careful about holding up any team as a paragon of class. All it takes is for a few guys to get picked up for drunk driving and your team is the next talk-show fodder. I'd bet its more likely than not that the Colts have a few guys that can't hand over the keys after having a few. Not picking on the Colts, but I suspect it's a league-wide issue. This year it was the Bengals who had a number of guys get nabbed, next year it will be someone else.

Mike Doss also will not be here next year and if he was not injured he might have already been cut. Dom Rhodes and former Bengal DeDe Dorsey also had minor incidents this past year but overall teams like the Colts and Patriots seem to do a better job dealing with and getting rid of questionable character guys.