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TOBTTReds
02-09-2007, 12:03 AM
Baseball America is confusing me. In their Red Hots section of organizational reports, it says that they aren't sure what level Chris Gruler will start at. Yet in the transaction section, it says we have released him.

What's the word?

Superdude
02-09-2007, 12:28 AM
I'm not too concerned.

dougdirt
02-09-2007, 12:30 AM
Baseball America is confusing me. In their Red Hots section of organizational reports, it says that they aren't sure what level Chris Gruler will start at.
What's the word?

Word is he will start as Fry Cook, I repeat Fry Cook.

TOBTTReds
02-09-2007, 12:55 AM
I'm not too concerned.

Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.

jmcclain19
02-09-2007, 01:56 AM
The Org reports for the Reds in Baseball America is written by John Fay. He of the extreme difficulties in factual baseball reporting.

I would take everything you see in the Reds section of BA with a grain of salt.

BA & MLB.com had him released by the Reds earlier this spring.

camisadelgolf
02-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Maybe he's using his signing bonus money to pay the Reds to let him pitch.

JaxRed
02-09-2007, 02:57 PM
I'm sorry, but when a good guy that signs with the Reds gets injured and despite undergoing multiple surgeries, and month after month of rehab, has to call it quits, therefore shattering his dreams of ever being a major leaguer...

I find it hard to mock him for no reason.

Caveat Emperor
02-09-2007, 03:40 PM
I'm sorry, but when a good guy that signs with the Reds gets injured and despite undergoing multiple surgeries, and month after month of rehab, has to call it quits, therefore shattering his dreams of ever being a major leaguer...

I find it hard to mock him for no reason.

Quite true.

We, as fans, get so caught up in the analysis that we forget these are really just kids, not commodities to be bought or sold on the open market. Most of them sign on to play ball at age 18, most don't have a college degree, and most of them never make it due to insufficient talent.

When the ones that do have the talent suffer the extreme misfortune of injury, it isn't something to really take great joy in. I'm glad the Reds are taking extra care with their kids now, andit sucks that so many promising young players had to have their limbs turned into hamburger as the developmental stuff bumbled its way along.

KoryMac5
02-09-2007, 03:50 PM
Last I heard Gruler had been released by the organization. It's a terrible thing to happen to a young kid but he is still young and got paid a fair share of money. Hopefully he will turn those dollars into an education.

M2
02-09-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm sorry, but when a good guy that signs with the Reds gets injured and despite undergoing multiple surgeries, and month after month of rehab, has to call it quits, therefore shattering his dreams of ever being a major leaguer...

I find it hard to mock him for no reason.

I feel bad for Gruler in that, because of injuries, he never really got a chance to show what he can do.

Doc. Scott
02-09-2007, 04:37 PM
I personally have a strict no-mocking policy when it comes to minor-league players (with few exceptions).

95% of the players that sign (and 50% of first-round draft picks) never play one inning in the major leagues.

Superdude
02-09-2007, 05:03 PM
So did he retire?

JaxRed
02-09-2007, 05:23 PM
Probably. Based on sketchy information, that's the best guess.

dougdirt
02-09-2007, 05:28 PM
Guys, seriously it was a joke. I doubt Chris is going to be serving fries anytime. He graduated high school, so he has to have some brains in his head.

camisadelgolf
02-09-2007, 05:58 PM
I believe the consensus is that he was injured prior to being drafted. Whatever the circumstances, he still became a millionaire, and even if he can't keep his arm in his socket, he's had more fortune than me.

TOBTTReds
02-09-2007, 06:07 PM
Guys, seriously it was a joke. I doubt Chris is going to be serving fries anytime. He graduated high school, so he has to have some brains in his head.

You obviously haven't been around college athletics lately. There are some that graduate college without brains, let alone high school as a star athlete.

dougdirt
02-09-2007, 06:39 PM
Well Aves, in that case, that would be his problem. However no matter how good the kid was in baseball, he at least better have gotten a middle school education and that should be able to get him past fry cook at Mcdonalds.

Doc. Scott
02-09-2007, 07:33 PM
Need a shovel?

dougdirt
02-09-2007, 07:47 PM
Need a shovel?

Two of them. I am not digging anything though. Look, the kid isnt going to be a pro baseball player anymore. It sucks, but a lot worse has happened to people. If someone gets offended because someone cracked a joke about working a Mcdonalds, then I guess thats the world we live in today where everything needs to be about as PC as it gets. I dont think it was nearly a big deal at all to joke that the kid would be working at Mcdonalds.

mbgrayson
02-09-2007, 08:25 PM
For the record, Mr. Gruler got the largest signing bonus in Reds history in 2002, $2.5 million.

That is a LOT of Big Macs....

Doc. Scott
02-10-2007, 10:35 PM
Two of them. I am not digging anything though. Look, the kid isnt going to be a pro baseball player anymore. It sucks, but a lot worse has happened to people. If someone gets offended because someone cracked a joke about working a Mcdonalds, then I guess thats the world we live in today where everything needs to be about as PC as it gets. I dont think it was nearly a big deal at all to joke that the kid would be working at Mcdonalds.

It doesn't have anything to do with the sorts of things that fall into the realm of politically correct/incorrect.

It's just tasteless to mock the unintentional misfortunes of others, that's all. You can do it all you want; I choose to pick my spots a little more.

HokieRed
02-11-2007, 12:07 AM
I agree it has nothing to do with political correctness. It's tasteless to ever make light of another's misfortune. Seems to me it's covered quite clearly under the golden rule. If any of us were unfortunate enough to have an injury that prevented us from realizing a lifelong ambition, would we want someone else to make fun of us? Can you imagine how heartbroken Chris Gruler must be? Why would we do anything that might add to his pain? I just don't get it.

Betterread
02-11-2007, 11:21 AM
In defense of Doug, I give him the benefit of the doubt that he did not intend his jibe to be as derisive as it came off to some readers. When someone has displayed the amount of interest and support of the Reds farm system and has helped increase the enthusiasm about the Reds minor leaguers on this board that he has, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wishes success for every Reds farmhand, and is disappointed in each retirement.

Triples
02-12-2007, 09:32 AM
Last I heard Gruler had been released by the organization. It's a terrible thing to happen to a young kid but he is still young and got paid a fair share of money. Hopefully he will turn those dollars into an education.

The standard contracts most drafted players sign, include a provision for either getting their college education or completing it depending on whether they were drafted out of high school or college. I'm not sure if that applies to those signed as undrafted free agents. So, Chris should have the opportunity get his degree at the expense of MLB. I hope that he uses the signing bonus to set himself up in a business of some sort. At least, I hope he has been wise in using the money up till now.

I do wish him the best of luck. Its a shame that something like this has to happen to young man with so much promise. When God closes a door he opens a window; hopefully there is something equally as promising in Chris's future.

dougdirt
02-12-2007, 10:33 AM
The standard contracts most drafted players sign, include a provision for either getting their college education or completing it depending on whether they were drafted out of high school or college. I'm not sure if that applies to those signed as undrafted free agents. So, Chris should have the opportunity get his degree at the expense of MLB. I hope that he uses the signing bonus to set himself up in a business of some sort. At least, I hope he has been wise in using the money up till now.

I do wish him the best of luck. Its a shame that something like this has to happen to young man with so much promise. When God closes a door he opens a window; hopefully there is something equally as promising in Chris's future.

I doubt that applies to most undrafted Free Agents, specifically the foreign born FAs. I know that recent contracts have been structured like you said, with the team paying for college tuition if the player chooses to go. Its always a nice perk if the player does not make it and is not a top of the line pick and doesnt get the 7 figure signing bonus.

cincyinco
02-14-2007, 07:42 PM
I agree it has nothing to do with political correctness. It's tasteless to ever make light of another's misfortune. Seems to me it's covered quite clearly under the golden rule. If any of us were unfortunate enough to have an injury that prevented us from realizing a lifelong ambition, would we want someone else to make fun of us? Can you imagine how heartbroken Chris Gruler must be? Why would we do anything that might add to his pain? I just don't get it.


:rolleyes:

Most all jokes make some light at some type of misfortune. Thats why they're called Jokes. If you can't find a little humorous lining in misfortune, then you're going to live a hard life. Of course, there is always a place to draw a line in the sand, but I don't think Chris Gruler's injury is one of them.

Everyone is so friggin sensitive these days. Yeesh.

Joking aside, yeah its a terrible thing that happened. But lets grow some hair on our pair, and realize what Doug said, in the context he said it. I am positive Doug was not serious, and therefore NO ONE should take his statement as such.

Doc. Scott
02-14-2007, 08:00 PM
:rolleyes:

Most all jokes make some light at some type of misfortune. Thats why they're called Jokes. If you can't find a little humorous lining in misfortune, then you're going to live a hard life. Of course, there is always a place to draw a line in the sand, but I don't think Chris Gruler's injury is one of them.

Everyone is so friggin sensitive these days. Yeesh.

Joking aside, yeah its a terrible thing that happened. But lets grow some hair on our pair, and realize what Doug said, in the context he said it. I am positive Doug was not serious, and therefore NO ONE should take his statement as such.


Well, I personally have a reason for this. Since I've written about minor-league players on my blog for the last couple of years, I've received periodic emails or comments on several occasions from relatives or friends of Reds' minor-league players. Sometimes I've been made privy to some inside information as well. (Nothing huge, but bits here and there.)

As much as I like to (attempt) being funny, I've decided that the fortunes, or lack thereof, of aspiring major-league players will not be how I have my public fun.

I am not someone who is overly sensitive or hung up on political correctness. I made a choice, and I stand by it. The rest of you can handle yourselves how you choose.

kheidg-
02-14-2007, 09:58 PM
Any actual news on the status of Gruler? Finished for good?

Doc. Scott
02-14-2007, 10:19 PM
I thought it was clear at this point. The Reds released Gruler a short time ago.

Farney
02-16-2007, 01:17 AM
I dont know about you guys, but I would die to have the "misfortune" of being a star athelete in high school, being a top 5 draft pick, signing for $2.5 million, then getting injured. And if I were Grueler I could care less what anybody else has to say, he's done something that basically no one gets to do

Topcat
02-16-2007, 06:40 AM
I dont know about you guys, but I would die to have the "misfortune" of being a star athelete in high school, being a top 5 draft pick, signing for $2.5 million, then getting injured. And if I were Grueler I could care less what anybody else has to say, he's done something that basically no one gets to do


But living with that unfulfilled promise is heavy baggage. I agree that is alot of money to ease the pain. But emotionally it does not help him. His dream was shattered and as a former player of absolutely no note, till this day it still hurts to never play again at the level i used to be capable of. Yes the money if I had it would ease the pain but it does in no way take away the desire or the love and longing to be what once was.

Roy Tucker
02-16-2007, 08:33 AM
This article from Tuesday's Enquirer says he was released 2 weeks ago...

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070213/SPT04/702130359/1071

Triples
02-16-2007, 11:50 AM
But living with that unfulfilled promise is heavy baggage. I agree that is alot of money to ease the pain. But emotionally it does not help him. His dream was shattered and as a former player of absolutely no note, till this day it still hurts to never play again at the level i used to be capable of. Yes the money if I had it would ease the pain but it does in no way take away the desire or the love and longing to be what once was.

TopCat:

I really do wish Chris the best of luck in the next phase of his life. And I can empathize with him onhaving a unfulfilled dream. However, I think you underestimate the positive impact a couple million dollars can have on making that move a bit less painful.

Everyone that I know has unrealized dreams, baseball players or otherwise. If we just isolate baseball players for the sake of discussion, there are literally hundreds of baseball players that fall off the face of the baseball world every year. Whether due to injury or they are just not good enough, they are let go. I suspect that the pain of finally having to give up the dream of playing ML baseball is the same for just about all of them. I think we tend to equate the intensity of the unfulfilled dream with the size of the signing bonus. That probably isn't accurate. Many of the young players that get cut don't have $2 mil+ to fall back on (except maybe getting the college education paid for which is pretty nice too). That signing bonus should offer Chris a lot of options not available to most other players and his fall will should be cushioned by it.

As for his emotional distress; my guess is that Chris Gruler will be fine. He didn't get as good as he was by being a slacker. He will find a way to rechannel that competive energy and will be successful at whatever he chooses to pursue. At least that's my hope for him and all the other guys who get cut every year. :thumbup: