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Ga_Red
02-11-2007, 04:23 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070211/SPT04/702110449

jojo
02-11-2007, 04:34 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070211/SPT04/702110449

That reminds me of an old Bill Cosby routine where a cocaine user explains to Bill that he uses the drug because it accentuates the user's personality. Bill responds by asking, "But what if you're an @sshole?".

The jury is still out for me on Krivsky but the extensions last week have raised his stock I think.

Candy Cummings
02-11-2007, 06:12 PM
Right. Decisive and wrong? That's not somebody I'd want running my business.

redsmetz
02-11-2007, 07:57 PM
Right. Decisive and wrong? That's not somebody I'd want running my business.

Seems Bob C thinks differently.

vaticanplum
02-11-2007, 08:01 PM
I have a feeling that some of this may be meant in context, context being Wayne Krivsky's predecessor.

Chip R
02-11-2007, 11:40 PM
I have a feeling that some of this may be meant in context, context being Wayne Krivsky's predecessor.


DanO made Hamlet look like a reactionary.

KoryMac5
02-11-2007, 11:47 PM
Right. Decisive and wrong? That's not somebody I'd want running my business.

Some of the moves he has made have been decisive and right too. I think it's unfair to base who you would want running your business on one descision and one year of work. I'm willing to weigh the good vs. the bad before passing judgement. :devil:

KoryMac5
02-11-2007, 11:53 PM
DanO made Hamlet look like a reactionary.

Well spoken Chip,


And these few precepts in thy memory
See thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportioned thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar.
Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledged comrade. Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel, but being in,
Bear't that the opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thy ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man,
And they in France of the best rank and station
Are of a most select and generous chief in that.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine ownself be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
-- Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 3

Topcat
02-12-2007, 01:18 AM
What I read into Bob C.'S comments are those of a man who accesses the balance of a man's work. Simply put Wayne K did everything within his means to help the Red's compete. 8 wins in the first 9 games after the trade could have made this team confident but alas the bats went silent:( . It was a move that to me personally I reserve judgment on. My only teeth Gnashing moment was passing up Lincecum for Stubbs so far. That is yet to be long term determined yet also.

cincyinco
02-12-2007, 03:31 PM
What I read into Bob C.'S comments are those of a man who accesses the balance of a man's work. Simply put Wayne K did everything within his means to help the Red's compete. 8 wins in the first 9 games after the trade could have made this team confident but alas the bats went silent:( . It was a move that to me personally I reserve judgment on. My only teeth Gnashing moment was passing up Lincecum for Stubbs so far. That is yet to be long term determined yet also.

And that may be more of a reflection of WK delegating the draft duties to Chris Buckley...

I wonder if he'll do the same this year, or if he'll be more involved.

RedsManRick
02-12-2007, 03:49 PM
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I have the same problem as O'Brien had. You can spend forever waiting to do something because you want it to be exactly right. In the meantime, nothing gets done. While your decisions, on balance, still need to be good ones, there is value in decisiveness itself.

Good direction is useless without movement. While ideally you have movement in the right direction, at least with movement in general you have a chance of stumbling in the right direction.

Does anybody care if win 65 games instead of 82 if we still miss the playoffs every year?

It's Marlins & D'Backs vs. Pirates & Royals.

Ltlabner
02-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I have the same problem as O'Brien had. You can spend forever waiting to do something because you want it to be exactly right. In the meantime, nothing gets done. While your decisions, on balance, still need to be good ones, there is value in decisiveness itself.

Good direction is useless without movement. While ideally you have movement in the right direction, at least with movement in general you have a chance of stumbling in the right direction.

That's exactly how I look at it. With the key caveat that your decisions have to be, on ballence, good ones. The more decisive you are means more decisions and more chance, frankly, of being right and moving an orgization ahead. Sitting around waiting for the "perfect move" results mostly in sitting around and in very few perfect moves.

RedEye
02-12-2007, 05:11 PM
This is one of the most frustrating quotes I've seen in quite awhile:

"The criticism he received on the Washington trade is fine," Castellini said. "It showed people cared. But we thought it was a good trade. He was going to bolster up that bullpen. Matter of fact, it did turn out that way. If you take a look at what happened last year, we had a great season in many respects. But probably the thing that hurt us the most were our bats slowing down the last four or five weeks."

Am I reading this right? Bob C sez, and I paraphrase...

1) It's okay that the trade has been criticized because it means the team still has fans

Yes it does, long suffering ones who wonder "why, why why?!"

2) The trade was meant to upgrade the bullpen.

That point has been made, yes, we know.

3) It did upgrade the bullpen.

That, Bob, is debatable. Very debatable. If we got anything out of the bullpen, it was on the arms of Weathers, Coffey, Guardado, and Schoenweiss... none of whom were even part of the trade.

4) The Reds had a great season "in many respects."

Except for all the respects that count. They were only competitive because the rest of the division was historically weak. Any other season and no one would be talking about "many respects."

5) The lack of offense is what ultimately hurt the team's chances.

Yes! I agree! And why is that? Hmmm...

jojo
02-12-2007, 08:47 PM
DanO made Hamlet look like a reactionary.

Hey DanO merely got fired....Hamlet got stuck with a poisoned blade...

jojo
02-12-2007, 09:16 PM
:duel:

redsmetz
02-12-2007, 09:41 PM
This is one of the most frustrating quotes I've seen in quite awhile:

"The criticism he received on the Washington trade is fine," Castellini said. "It showed people cared. But we thought it was a good trade. He was going to bolster up that bullpen. Matter of fact, it did turn out that way. If you take a look at what happened last year, we had a great season in many respects. But probably the thing that hurt us the most were our bats slowing down the last four or five weeks."

Am I reading this right? Bob C sez, and I paraphrase...

1) It's okay that the trade has been criticized because it means the team still has fans

Yes it does, long suffering ones who wonder "why, why why?!"

2) The trade was meant to upgrade the bullpen.

That point has been made, yes, we know.

3) It did upgrade the bullpen.

That, Bob, is debatable. Very debatable. If we got anything out of the bullpen, it was on the arms of Weathers, Coffey, Guardado, and Schoenweiss... none of whom were even part of the trade.

4) The Reds had a great season "in many respects."

Except for all the respects that count. They were only competitive because the rest of the division was historically weak. Any other season and no one would be talking about "many respects."

5) The lack of offense is what ultimately hurt the team's chances.

Yes! I agree! And why is that? Hmmm...

He stated it quite clearly in the final line of the italicized portion:

But probably the thing that hurt us the most were our bats slowing down the last four or five weeks

There were so many players who tanked in the final weeks of the season. That's what ultimately killed us. Even a little bit more from those who withered might have made the difference. It wasn't solely the absence of Lopez and Kearns.

remdog
02-12-2007, 10:37 PM
He stated it quite clearly in the final line of the italicized portion:

But probably the thing that hurt us the most were our bats slowing down the last four or five weeks

.....Even a little bit more from those who withered might have made the difference. It wasn't solely the absence of Lopez and Kearns.

BUT, either/or might have been enough to make a difference. (shrug) Maybe there was a way to do the deal without giving up both players or even downsizing the deal to only add one of the two relievers. Maybe Krivsky just pulled the trigger too early and go out foxed by Bowden. I guess we'll never know. (shrug)

Rem

DoogMinAmo
02-12-2007, 11:35 PM
BUT, either/or might have been enough to make a difference. (shrug) Maybe there was a way to do the deal without giving up both players or even downsizing the deal to only add one of the two relievers. Maybe Krivsky just pulled the trigger too early and go out foxed by Bowden. I guess we'll never know. (shrug)

Rem

Or maybe we will know, it is just not within one year of the trade?

It sucked the first half year, and there is no undoing it now. I just hope that the three parties left make a big enough impact that down the road it may seem like a wash, or maybe in the Reds' favor.

Hope, that is all I or any other reds fan can do right now.

Will M
02-13-2007, 12:41 AM
He stated it quite clearly in the final line of the italicized portion:

But probably the thing that hurt us the most were our bats slowing down the last four or five weeks

There were so many players who tanked in the final weeks of the season. That's what ultimately killed us. Even a little bit more from those who withered might have made the difference. It wasn't solely the absence of Lopez and Kearns.

Agree. I think our lack of a bench really hurt last year. Speed guys like Freel and Phillips need time off. Even power guys like Dunn could use a day off every 2 weeks. It isn't just the physical aspect, sometimes a guy just needs a mental day off.

This is one of the reasons I scratch my head when I see the Reds ( and other teams ) with 7 relievers and 5 bench guys. Get some guys who can pitch a few innings and it opens up a slot on the bench for another player which adds flexibility.