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cincrazy
02-13-2007, 12:04 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2763803

Edd Roush
02-13-2007, 12:12 PM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53426

My thoughts two months ago. It would really make me happy to see the Cubs blow money for a bonafide stud like Zambrano on Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis. Add Zambrano to Arroyo, Harang and Bailey and we are lookin like the '90s Braves.

Johnny Footstool
02-13-2007, 12:13 PM
The Cubs have enough money to re-sign him.

guttle11
02-13-2007, 12:15 PM
The Cubs have enough money to re-sign him.

But do they have the intelligence?

Edd Roush
02-13-2007, 12:21 PM
But do they have the intelligence?


Exactly, are they going to trip all over their World Series' dreams of the snowy spring and overlook Zambrano and his demands?

paulrichjr
02-13-2007, 12:39 PM
The Reds will use the Milton money and sign him for a 7 year $18 million contract. You heard it here first. :laugh:

Chip R
02-13-2007, 12:40 PM
The way they have been throwing money around, it surprises me that they haven't caved yet. Of course, they are the Cubs. Nothing they do should surprise me.

lollipopcurve
02-13-2007, 12:54 PM
They have waited until he's 1 year away -- risky.

TeamSelig
02-13-2007, 01:52 PM
Watch them trade him for Philip Hughes or something.

KronoRed
02-13-2007, 02:00 PM
I like his 3rd person speak, they should sign him.

Chip R
02-13-2007, 02:12 PM
I like his 3rd person speak, they should sign him.


Raisor must be his agent.

oneupper
02-13-2007, 02:25 PM
Zambrano might be feeling a twitch in his arm and would like some insurance.

Caveat Emperor
02-13-2007, 02:58 PM
I think Zambrano has proven throughout his career that he's more than ready and able to walk any hitter he faces.

Razor Shines
02-13-2007, 03:09 PM
The Reds will use the Milton money and sign him for a 7 year $18 million contract. You heard it here first. :laugh:

So the Reds will get him for 2.6 mil a year? That's sounds good, I feel better about the future.

Matt700wlw
02-13-2007, 03:27 PM
He can walk this way....

Strikes Out Looking
02-13-2007, 03:55 PM
He can walk this way....

While he's a fine pitcher at times, he seems to be able to lose his cool a little too much for me. I'd rather the Reds spend their money on someone else. Plus, ex-Cubs are just...well ex-Cubs and should be avoided at all costs.

Matt700wlw
02-13-2007, 03:57 PM
Fair point

BRM
02-13-2007, 03:58 PM
Harang, Arroyo, Zambrano, and Bailey would be a nice 1-4. Never happen. The Cubs will pay him eventually.

paulrichjr
02-13-2007, 04:25 PM
So the Reds will get him for 2.6 mil a year? That's sounds good, I feel better about the future.

$18 million per... Sorry... Either way I guess you could say it is a joke.

vaticanplum
02-13-2007, 05:05 PM
"If they don't sign me, sorry, but I must go. That's what Carlos Zambrano thinks."

That is hilarious. Methinks Carlos has maybe been watching too many Westerns or...something.

He could walk in a year depending on the offer he gets, but it won't be because the Cubs haven't tried to retain him. They're a stupid team, but they recognize that he's the cornerstone of their rotation, and he's only 26 I think.

I've always had an inexplicable hatred for Zambrano. Beyond just the jersey, I mean. And actually I do predict overwork and injury for him. He came back way too early from his injury last year so he could compete for the Cy Young. Yet another reason Dusty Baker's firing is completely justified.

Jr's Boy
02-13-2007, 09:07 PM
Don't you guys think that the Cubs would have made the Zambrano extension their top priority pitching wise in the off season?

Jaycint
02-14-2007, 08:58 AM
I ran into Zambrano one night downtown after a game here, guess some of the players were walking back from the ballpark. Said hi and talked to him for a few seconds, he seemed like a really nice guy. He's a mountain of a dude though, I'm an average sized guy, about 6 ft tall, and he made me look like a midget.

Typically he's the type of hothead that I would despise but for some reason I don't mind it in him. Might have to do with the fact that he seems to bean Jim Edmonds every time he faces him.

Outshined_One
02-14-2007, 02:52 PM
Some fun comments from the resident Cubs fan on this matter...

Zambrano is looking to get paid Zito money. (http://baseballcritic.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/zambrano-on-the-zito-trail/) In all honesty, I'm surprised he's not asking for more, considering that he's a much better pitcher than Zito over the past three years.

Zito
2004: 213 IP, 4.48 ERA, 163/81 K/BB, 28 HR, 1.39 WHIP, 105 ERA+
2005: 228.3 IP, 3.86 ERA, 171/89 K/BB, 26 HR, 1.20 WHIP, 116 ERA+
2006: 221 IP, 3.83 ERA, 151/99 K/BB, 27 HR, 1.40 WHIP, 116 ERA+

Zambrano
2004: 209.6 IP, 2.75 ERA, 188/81 K/BB, 14 HR, 1.22 WHIP, 165 ERA+
2005: 223.3 IP, 3.26 ERA, 202/86 K/BB, 21 HR, 1.15 WHIP, 131 ERA+
2006: 214 IP, 3.41 ERA, 210/115 K/BB, 20 HR, 1.30 WHIP, 136 ERA+

Adding onto that, Zambrano is going to be 25 years old coming into this season. He's one of the most talented young pitchers in the game who has managed to avoid major injuries during his career. Most people seem down on the guy simply because he displays his emotions...but that simply ignores his level of talent compared to other pitchers today. Among Cubs fans, I've found that a lot of the same people who rag on Zambrano for being too emotional were the same ones who would constantly rip on Corey Patterson for looking like he never gives a crap. Considering he hasn't had a major meltdown on the mound since beaning Jim Edmonds twice in one game (which was probably my favorite Zambrano moment of all time), I think people tend to blow Zambrano's emotions completely out of proportion. The guy gets results.

However, here is the problem with signing Zambrano long term: Dusty Baker. Baker committed one of the most heinous managerial sins in baseball by constantly abusing a talented young pitcher by overworking the guy. Considering that Prior and Wood have been injured so much that they might as well be building pillow forts in the clubhouse during the regular season, it's a biological miracle that Zambrano hasn't joined them yet. Zambrano constantly ranks among the top pitchers in Pitcher Abuse Points. Baker has notoriously left Zambrano in some games to rack up over 130 pitches (including one egregious incident where Zambrano was left in for 141 pitches).

In other words, everyone is just waiting for a breakdown. Most projections have been unfavorable to Zambrano for this coming season, but in looking at PECOTA, they basically do not assign much strength to his projection because there have been incredibly few pitchers in history like Zambrano. Cubs fans don't know what to make of him, either. If the Cubs sign him long term and he goes and tears his labrum, then that deal would look foolish. If the Cubs let him go after next season and Zambrano goes on to win multiple Cy Youngs, Cubs fans will be screaming for GM Jim Hendry's head.

I have no idea what will happen in the end. I don't think the budget will dictate this deal; the Cubs have the money and can always backload a long term deal. Hendry has also made a point of locking up his core guys to long term deals (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Wood, etc), so he has it in him to get this deal done.

But, if they don't get Zambrano a long term deal by opening day, he will fetch a pretty penny on the trade market.