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TOBTTReds
02-23-2007, 11:59 AM
So last night on XM, Holden Kushner is talking about "Generation Next." That is the group of players that will carry MLB for the next ten years or so the way Griffey, Glavine, Maddux, and Sosa had for the past ten years. So I call in to give some love for Dunn. I say:

"In ten years we'll be talking about Dunn hitting 500-600 HR's. I know everyone complains about him striking out a lot, but he gets on base, plays 160 games a year, and produces."

Holden then hangs up on me and starts to talk about Dunn. Although he agreed that he would take him on his Gen Next team, he says that he wished "Adam Dunn would be more patient. He doesn't get on base enough." He then looked up his stats and noted he was at 198 HR's already and a .380 OBP (did not note that 380 is well above league avg).

He then says, "Dunn is a lot like Rob Deer." I wanted to call back immediately to ask if he was insane. Rob Deer was awful! He NEVER scored more than 75 runs in a season, walked 80+ times twice (Dunn has done that 4 out of 6 seasons), Deer never drove in 90 runs (Dunn has done that three times). The only comparisons are Avg, HR, and K's. This was the most amateur comparison I've ever heard. I wanted to hurl.

Here are the averages for a 162 game season:

.245/.380/.513/.893 39 HR 102 runs 113 BB 92 RBI
.220/.324/.442/.766 32 HR 81 runs 81 BB 84 RBI

Deer played 7 full seasons, because everyone knew, the ability to ONLY hit a HR was not good enough to play in the ML level. This was so dissapointing.

Jpup
02-23-2007, 12:03 PM
While I love XM and the the baseball channel, their hosts are horrible for the most part. Holden seems like a nice guy, but he's not the sharpest tool in the drawer. I constantly wonder why I listen to those guys so much. Kennedy and Dibble are simply horrendous.

BRM
02-23-2007, 12:05 PM
he wished "Adam Dunn would be more patient. He doesn't get on base enough."

That's just funny.

redsfanfalcon
02-23-2007, 12:07 PM
The fantasy baseball show (Fantasy Focus) is good at noon, and the guy is a Reds fan. He's on Monday-Thursday. I cannot recall his name.

larks
02-23-2007, 12:18 PM
Jeff Erickson, and I agree Fantasy Focus is a great show

Highlifeman21
02-23-2007, 12:27 PM
First Dave Kingman, now Rob Deer.

Who's next?

Yachtzee
02-23-2007, 01:47 PM
Comparing Adam Dunn to Rob Deer is just lazy. It's like pulling names from a hat. Rob Deer struck out a lot, but in seasons when he had over 100 plate appearances, his highest OBP was .360 and his OPS exceeded .800 only 3 times. His highest run total in a single season was 75 and even in his best seasons he barely reached 70. Adam Dunn's lowest OBP was .354 in 2004 and averages .380 for his career and his OPS has never gone below .800 and for his career is .893. Dunn's lowest run total has been 54 in his rookie year, when he only played 66 games, and second lowest was 70 in 2004, but has totals of 105, 107, and 99 for the past 3 seasons. In his 11 year career, Rob Deer scored 578 runs and took 575 walks. In 6 seasons, Dunn has already scored 519 runs and taken 574 walks.

deltachi8
02-23-2007, 02:14 PM
First Dave Kingman, now Rob Deer.

Who's next?

Reggie Jackson would be my hope.

RichRed
02-23-2007, 02:38 PM
First Dave Kingman, now Rob Deer.

Who's next?

Pete Incaviglia? Cory Snyder? Billy Joe Robidoux?

BRM
02-23-2007, 02:39 PM
First Dave Kingman, now Rob Deer.

Who's next?

I saw a Mickey Tettleton comparison the other day.

justincredible
02-23-2007, 02:45 PM
Reggie Jackson would be my hope.

I could definitely live with the Reggie-esque AVG and SO totals if he continues to put up the HR totals and has a few Octobers like Reggie did. :thumbup:

TOBTTReds
02-23-2007, 03:16 PM
What good players from the past do his numbers compare to best?

justincredible
02-23-2007, 03:21 PM
What good players from the past do his numbers compare to best?

According to baseball-reference, Reggie Jackson and Harmon Killebrew, as far as Hall of Famers go.

The rest of the list:
1. Darryl Strawberry (916)
2. Jose Canseco (908)
3. Reggie Jackson (906) *
4. Troy Glaus (899)
5. Tom Brunansky (899)
6. Roger Maris (890)
7. Harmon Killebrew (888) *
8. Rocky Colavito (888)
9. Tony Conigliaro (882)
10. Boog Powell (879)

TOBTTReds
02-23-2007, 03:31 PM
Thanks.

edabbs44
02-23-2007, 03:41 PM
According to baseball-reference, Reggie Jackson and Harmon Killebrew, as far as Hall of Famers go.

The rest of the list:
1. Darryl Strawberry (916)
2. Jose Canseco (908)
3. Reggie Jackson (906) *
4. Troy Glaus (899)
5. Tom Brunansky (899)
6. Roger Maris (890)
7. Harmon Killebrew (888) *
8. Rocky Colavito (888)
9. Tony Conigliaro (882)
10. Boog Powell (879)

That's through age 26. Overall is actually very funny. Props to John Jaha.

Ron Kittle (902)
Pat Burrell (901)
Jim Gentile (897)
Henry Rodriguez (895)
Nate Colbert (885)
Tony Conigliaro (883)
John Jaha (879)
J.D. Drew (873)
Nick Esasky (872)
Bo Jackson (868)

Heath
02-23-2007, 04:52 PM
I saw a Mickey Tettleton comparison the other day.

That was me and I'm only comparing him to the BB/K similarities.

I saw Harmon Killebrew. Wow. Jim Gentile had some years. The one guy I thought that would be on that list was Jackie Jensen.

Dracodave
02-23-2007, 04:57 PM
Ron Kittle (902)
J.D. Drew (873)
Bo Jackson (868)

J.D Drew would be a great comp. if Dunn could hit 280 all year.

J.D Drew wishes he had Dunn's health though.

KoryMac5
02-23-2007, 05:08 PM
Unfortunately that's what happens when sports radio hosts and even sports writers get lazy. They stop looking at all the numbers and just focus on one. For Dunn it's K's and everytime a writer gets lazy you will always hear the names of Kingman and Deer come up when making comparisons. I do feel this is the year Dunn gets them to recognize he is more than just HR's and K's.

redsfan1966
02-23-2007, 05:41 PM
Just on the xm home plate channel in general--just let me add that I feel the host of Baseball This Morning -- Mark Patrick is just horrible--he is nothing less than a hokey hack...