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RedLegSuperStar
02-26-2007, 08:43 PM
Royals manager Buddy Bell said he doesn't see his team carrying Zack Greinke or Brian Bannister as relievers if they don't win rotation spots.

That's pretty much what was suspected. There's only likely to be room for one of the two in the rotation, and Bannister should be viewed as the favorite going in. In order for both to make it, Jorge De La Rosa would have to struggle this spring.

From Rotoworld.com

Once thought of as a must have prospect and future ace has litterally fell off the planet and looks to be headed to AAA to start the year. I think this might be a decent gamble for Krivsky. Send Milton and Belisle/prospect to KC for him. Grienke is still young and definatly has upside. There rotation looks like Meche, Perez, Elerton, Hudson, & De La Rosa/Bannister. Some of the non-roster invitees that may have a chance could be Duckworth, Day, or Brazelton.

Now I believe the Reds have yet to recieve anything in return for LaRue and Cash that was sent to the Royals at the start of the off-season. Maybe we could use that as well to obtain Grienke. This could be one of those small risks.. high rewards deals that Krivsky seems to make.

hebroncougar
02-26-2007, 08:59 PM
From Rotoworld.com

Once thought of as a must have prospect and future ace has litterally fell off the planet and looks to be headed to AAA to start the year. I think this might be a decent gamble for Krivsky. Send Milton and Belisle/prospect to KC for him. Grienke is still young and definatly has upside. There rotation looks like Meche, Perez, Elerton, Hudson, & De La Rosa/Bannister. Some of the non-roster invitees that may have a chance could be Duckworth, Day, or Brazelton.

Now I believe the Reds have yet to recieve anything in return for LaRue and Cash that was sent to the Royals at the start of the off-season. Maybe we could use that as well to obtain Grienke. This could be one of those small risks.. high rewards deals that Krivsky seems to make.

If he can't beat out Luke Hudson, I'll pass. No way in heck the Royals want Milton when they already have one too may rotation pitchers.

thatcoolguy_22
02-26-2007, 09:05 PM
From Rotoworld.com

Once thought of as a must have prospect and future ace has litterally fell off the planet and looks to be headed to AAA to start the year. I think this might be a decent gamble for Krivsky. Send Milton and Belisle/prospect to KC for him. Grienke is still young and definatly has upside. There rotation looks like Meche, Perez, Elerton, Hudson, & De La Rosa/Bannister. Some of the non-roster invitees that may have a chance could be Duckworth, Day, or Brazelton.

Now I believe the Reds have yet to recieve anything in return for LaRue and Cash that was sent to the Royals at the start of the off-season. Maybe we could use that as well to obtain Grienke. This could be one of those small risks.. high rewards deals that Krivsky seems to make.

23 year old former ROY. I would love to see us take a shot on him

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/greinza01.shtml

link to his stats

WMR
02-26-2007, 09:07 PM
I dunno if the Royals would let him go, but he seems like a young guy who could use a fresh start and if he can put his psychological issues behind him, his stuff is electric.

Spitball
02-26-2007, 10:15 PM
I dunno if the Royals would let him go, but he seems like a young guy who could use a fresh start and if he can put his psychological issues behind him, his stuff is electric.

I talked to a scout last summer who also felt Greinke needed a fresh start someplace. He was sent down last summer with the belief by many that he would be recalled. He pitched pretty well but never got the call.

I saw him pitch a gem against the Angels' double A team in July. He was throwing a two seamer, a four seamer, and a change for strikes, and his big curve was really impressive.

flyer85
02-26-2007, 10:26 PM
why would the Royals let him go with his value so low?

BRM
02-26-2007, 11:12 PM
why would the Royals let him go with his value so low?

Because they are the Royals? ;)

Honestly, I don't see them trading him right now either.

Heath
02-26-2007, 11:13 PM
why would the Royals let him go with his value so low?

I think he has Kyle Lohse disease. We already have one.

sully_for_prez
02-27-2007, 12:20 AM
Now I believe the Reds have yet to recieve anything in return for LaRue and Cash that was sent to the Royals at the start of the off-season. Maybe we could use that as well to obtain Grienke. This could be one of those small risks.. high rewards deals that Krivsky seems to make.

What is the time limit (if there is any) for getting the PTBNL?

Grienke sounds intriguing for sure....

Spitball
02-27-2007, 12:52 AM
why would the Royals let him go with his value so low?

H/9=8.18 BB/9=2.30 SO/9=8.01 WHIP=1.16 at double A.

Is his value low or are there other issues? Maybe the Royals realize they rushed him and screwed up his confidence. Maybe the Royals don't know what to do with him. I would guess he is now just a talented prospect who will be nurtured with kid gloves, similar to Homer Bailey. Rick Ankiel has to be on people's minds. He has a talented arm, but his mind is a question mark.

crazybob60
02-27-2007, 01:11 AM
Geez....something must be in the water there in Kansas City....Greinke from what I remember had all the talent in the world and now what has happened to him, well it appears that his career may be started before it began. Now also with Greinke you have Brian Bannister...and then there would be the two fellas before him which would be: Jimmy Gobble and Jeremy Affeldt and Runelvys Herenandez....I mean, from the best of my recollection, they were all highly touted Starters with their ceilings doing nothing but going through the roof and weren't the Royals supposed to build around these fellas, I mean imagine if all of these guys lived up to potentional??? I know that's another HUGE, ENORMOUS, BIG IF....But still, that could seriously be the starting 5 for the Royals for a good 15 years to come and they could seriously run the AL in a few years if they all meshed together.....Seriously, that starting five would be ridiculously good!!!!!!

LoganBuck
02-27-2007, 01:19 AM
Grienke has a social anxiety disorder. He has been fighting through this.

http://www.royalmania.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&thread_id=184&pid=936

crazybob60
02-27-2007, 01:21 AM
Grienke has a social anxiety disorder. He has been fighting through this.

http://www.royalmania.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&thread_id=184&pid=936


He had to basically sit out a complete season because of this, didn't he? I thought he had that basically beat????

Jr's Boy
02-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Would be a major coup for Krivsky if he could swing a deal for Greinke.

KronoRed
02-27-2007, 02:21 AM
He had to basically sit out a complete season because of this, didn't he? I thought he had that basically beat????

People with that really never have it beat, it's something that you deal with well and then not so well at times.

crazybob60
02-27-2007, 03:18 AM
Would be a major coup for Krivsky if he could swing a deal for Greinke.


What type of prospects (I am assuming that is what the Royals would want in return for him, especially from a team such as the Reds) do you think the Reds would have to give up to get him?

Redsland
02-27-2007, 11:26 AM
What is the time limit (if there is any) for getting the PTBNL?
One year.

M2
02-27-2007, 11:43 AM
Maybe the Royals don't know what to do with him.

That goes without saying.

Javy Pornstache
02-27-2007, 03:27 PM
If they're willing to part with Bannister or de la Rosa to ensure room for Greinke, I'd be quite a willing listener to that as well. de la Rosa in particular strikes me as a "breakout" waiting to happen given stability somewhere.

GridironGrace
02-27-2007, 04:29 PM
Rumors i heard from a royals fan friend of mine is that Grienke isnt liking Baseball..he's not in the game like he was... mind is somewhere else.. so potentially a waste.. but for the right stuff he'd be better like he is then a few we got lol

11larkin11
02-27-2007, 09:56 PM
Norris Hopper? Add a PTBNL/prospect to either side if it isn't fair.

Spitball
02-28-2007, 12:14 AM
People with that really never have it beat, it's something that you deal with well and then not so well at times.

There are meds: azaspirones, benzodiazepines, beta blockers. If he will stay on one of them, he should be able to deal with the world and its complications. The guy I saw pitch last summer didn't look like someone who had given up on baseball. He pitched the best game I've seen, and against the Angels' prospects, since Rick Ankiel was in double A. He was very sharp, very good.

Newman4
02-28-2007, 11:40 AM
If Wayne can acquire Greinke then I swear I will never discuss "The Trade" again. :)