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WMR
03-05-2007, 01:06 PM
It's like he jumps to a conclusion and when the replay shows he's clearly full of crap... doesn't matter... that's his conclusion and he's sticking to it, come hell or high water.

Anyone remember when that Duke player took that cheap shot on Timberlake way back and he said that it wasn't intentional and Verne Lundquist called him out on it right on the spot? Wish Jim Nance had the similar amount of testicular fortitude.

UNC v. Duke - Cheap shot on Hansborough

http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?video_id=RAR2tWAj49o&l=332&t=OEgsToPDskJ4LWRPCa1ENB2JIt_RXtkX&s=6DD4DE84F7BDAAD9:8A51374783A7BCE6&fs=1&title=Tyler Hansbrough suffers cheap shot from Gerald Henderson

NJReds
03-05-2007, 01:11 PM
That was one of the more blatent cheap shots that you'll see in college hoops.

Highlifeman21
03-05-2007, 01:15 PM
Billy Packer rivals Carson Daly as the tool of all tools.

KronoRed
03-05-2007, 01:15 PM
That Duke player should be suspended for a very long time.

dabvu2498
03-05-2007, 01:17 PM
Packer: "He was going for the ball."

dabvu2498: "Uhhh... no."

The only thing I agree with him on from that whole clip: Why was Hansborough in the game???

Javy Pornstache
03-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Haha, yeah, he's definitely a tool alright. I noticed him last night during the UNC-Duke game as well.

My all time favorite Packer moment was the 1998 UK-Duke regional final game. There was a segment of the game in the final few minutes, when UK was strong into their comeback and I think they were within a point or two (from 17 just earlier in the half) and Kentucky had missed about four or five shots and just KEPT getting the offensive rebounds and they eventually stuck the ball back in.

Billy Packer's quote during the exchange: "NOBODY CAN GET THE BALL!! WHAT'S GOING ON?!" in the whiniest voice EVER. Something to that extent at least. Kentucky sure wasn't having much trouble getting the ball, Billy.

WMR
03-05-2007, 01:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_yFobfeAY

Here's another good one where Billy starts whining after Wojo does his best dead fish impression.

dsmith421
03-05-2007, 01:25 PM
Packer's two most infamous "stands" in the last few years have been:

1. Whining about St. Joseph's being a #1 seed after going 27-1 in 2004.
2. Complaining about the Missouri Valley and other mid-majors getting at-large bids last season, even to the point of angrily confronting Craig Littlepage on national television.

And in both cases, he's been made to look like a complete imbecile. CBS should put him out to pasture.

WMR
03-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Dsmith that might be the funniest edit explanation I've ever read. :laugh:

Javy Pornstache
03-05-2007, 01:28 PM
A classic! "Whoa whoa whoa whoa what is he doing?! That was CWAAAAAAZY!!!"

WMR
03-05-2007, 01:30 PM
A classic! "Whoa whoa whoa whoa what is he doing?! That was CWAAAAAAZY!!!"

::whiny voice:: "WHAT'S HE DOINGGGGGG TO WOJOOO?!?!?!?!" hahaha

Hoosier Red
03-05-2007, 01:37 PM
Packer's two most infamous "stands" in the last few years have been:

1. Whining about St. Joseph's being a #1 seed after going 27-1 in 2004.
2. Complaining about the Missouri Valley and other mid-majors getting at-large bids last season, even to the point of angrily confronting Craig Littlepage on national television.

And in both cases, he's been made to look like a complete imbecile. CBS should put him out to pasture.

My favorite part of the second stand is the follow up this year.
Nantz:"Well Billy, who do you see being this year's George Mason,"
Packer: "Well it's hard to say, but you have to figure it will happen because there's so much parity these days."

1-So despite the fact it took 23 years for a true mid major to make the final four, you see it happening every year?
2-a complete 180 without even acknowledging how wrong you were. It's like arguing with my wife.

flyer85
03-05-2007, 01:53 PM
not sure that the elbow was intentional ... but certainly giving a hard foul certainly was. Whenever a player gives a flagrant/hard foul there is always the chance it will turn out worse than they might have intended, they should be punished accordingly.

BuckeyeRed27
03-05-2007, 04:59 PM
I am in no way defending Billy Packer, but I don't think that elbow was intentional. He hit him hard and I think the one game suspension is probably warrented but the Duke kids thought process wasn't to hit the traveling wonder from UNC in the face.

hebroncougar
03-05-2007, 05:13 PM
Packer is most definitely a huge tool. Unless you are a Duke fan.:)

StillFunkyB
03-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Absolutely 110%

KoryMac5
03-05-2007, 10:58 PM
No doubt it was intentional why would coach K call a timeout with a minute or so to go. I'm sure it was a pride check for the team and the coach. Henderson unfortunately took it to far, and broke the kids nose.

As far as why was he in the game, to me that's just blame the victim mentality. North Carolina was clinching the Reg season championship the kids deserve to be on the court to celebrate that accomplishment.

KoryMac5
03-05-2007, 10:59 PM
Can anyone imagine both Packer and Vitale calling a Duke game together. It would be a Coach K lovefest.

guttle11
03-05-2007, 11:01 PM
You mean Billy pACCer?

Gainesville Red
03-05-2007, 11:27 PM
To Packer I say this:

It's Percy Harvin. Not Percy Harvins.

It's Chris Richard. Not Cliff Richards.

bucksfan
03-06-2007, 10:33 PM
I must "pile on" here - I cannot stand Packer. I cannot believe how revered he is in some circles. I swear it seems he has lost a ton of knowledge over the last 10 years or so.

Vitale I must admit I like. He goes overboard with stuff, and I still find it hard to forgive his Lawrence Funderburke comment from many years ago, but in general I like the guy and his enthusiasm for the game and for life. Packer strikes me as a bitter dude. But I could be wrong about him personally of course.

As for the call - I thought it was pretty blatant. That motion did not seem at all "basketball natural" to me. Whether it was "out of frustration" or not, it still sure seemed intentional and vicious.

And to me the point of whether Hansbrough should have been in the game or not should not even be brought up. That whole line of thinking makes me furious. He was on NC's team, was eligible presumably, and had not fouled out so he can be on the floor anytime during the game. Not that a coach needs any more reason to play someone, but there are many other potential reasons besides those obvious ones as to why a starter might be playing at that time.

WMR
03-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Coach K: "If he hadn't been on the court this wouldn't have happened."

Stay classy, coach krycheatsky, keep filming those AmEx recruiting videos/commercials.

If you can't tell, I really hate Duke.

RedFanAlways1966
03-07-2007, 07:43 AM
Coach K: "If he hadn't been on the court this wouldn't have happened."

Wow, did he really say that? Two wrongs make a right in Coach K's world? I thought he had more class than that. Two wrongs, but one of them is a lot more serious than the other. As in a broken bone in the face.

I never liked Duke either, but I have always respected Coach K. He seemed to be a decent type. That statement really bugs me.

macro
03-07-2007, 07:56 AM
Wow, did he really say that? Two wrongs make a right in Coach K's world? I thought he had more class than that. Two wrongs, but one of them is a lot more serious than the other. As in a broken bone in the face.

I never liked Duke either, but I have always respected Coach K. He seemed to be a decent type. That statement really bugs me.

Character is revealed in times of adversity, such as the season that Duke is enduring. It's easy to be classy when you're ranked #1 and everything is going well.

HumnHilghtFreel
03-07-2007, 08:24 AM
Just heard on Mike and Mike in the morning that Hansbrough doesn't think it was intentional. I wonder if he saw the replay?

oneupper
03-07-2007, 08:32 AM
Just heard on Mike and Mike in the morning that Hansbrough doesn't think it was intentional. I wonder if he saw the replay?

He's being diplomatic. They could still play again in the ACC tourney or the NCAA. And Tyler will be back next year (as will Henderson).

15fan
03-07-2007, 08:36 AM
To answer the original question:

When it comes to being annoying, there is Dick Vitale, and then there is everyone else.

A couple years ago, I caught an old ACC tourney game ('83?) on ESPN Classic where Vitale was doing the color. This was back in the early days of ESPN. It was bizarre - Vitale was subdued, and only adding commentary / analysis that was relevant to the game.

It was actually one of the better jobs I'd heard in a long time. But somewhere in the late 80s he lost it (not unlike lots of other folks at ESPN) and got the horrible notion in his head that people were tuning in to hear him & his schtick rather than the game at hand.

I'm not a techie guru, but I've heard that if you have a surround sound set up with your tv, the audio from some games is actually broadcast over multiple channels. One channel carries the sounds from the game (squeakers on the floor, the bounding ball, etc) and the other one carries the broadcast team. With the right setup you can get all the sounds of the game without the annoying babble from the broadcast team.

WMR
03-07-2007, 08:38 AM
Hmm, 15Fan, actually the original question was who is the biggest tool.

The question of who's the most annoying is just one small part of judging the spectrum of overall "toolishness." :laugh:

Chip R
03-07-2007, 09:01 AM
Just heard on Mike and Mike in the morning that Hansbrough doesn't think it was intentional. I wonder if he saw the replay?


I watched the replay - sans sound - and at first, it sure looked intentional. Looking at the replay at first made it look intentional but looking at a second replay I saw Henderson winding up to block the shot with his arm fully extended. Then when the ball came loose, it appeared Henderson bent his arm because he saw the ball came loose. Unfortunately when he did that his elbow was extended and Hansbrough ran right into it.

Oh, and Packer is a complete tool.

Hoosier Red
03-07-2007, 09:29 AM
I think the term intentional is a fuzzy issue anyway.

Gerald Henderson clearly intended to foul Hansborough as hard as he could and not allow any "easy baskets."
When the ball got stripped Henderson had already committed and could do nothing other than collide with Hansborough.

It was reckless, but in the way driving 50 MPH in a 35 is reckless.
Generally nothing major comes of it, in this case he broke Hansborough's nose.

The officials were right to eject him. He should sit out a game, maybe two.
But lets not act like Gerald Henderson should be held up on assault charges.

Chip R
03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
I think the term intentional is a fuzzy issue anyway.

Gerald Henderson clearly intended to foul Hansborough as hard as he could and not allow any "easy baskets."
When the ball got stripped Henderson had already committed and could do nothing other than collide with Hansborough.

It was reckless, but in the way driving 50 MPH in a 35 is reckless.
Generally nothing major comes of it, in this case he broke Hansborough's nose.

The officials were right to eject him. He should sit out a game, maybe two.
But lets not act like Gerald Henderson should be held up on assault charges.

Excellent points.

halcyon
03-07-2007, 10:57 AM
To answer the original question: Yes, Billy Packer is the biggest tool in college bball. An interesting note, however: most Duke fans I know feel the same way about Packer. Those who hate Duke tend to want to think that, but he's just as bitter about Duke as the next person. He is an ACC apologist but he doesn't have any extra love for Duke. Duke rejected him in their recruitment back in the stone age and he went to Wake Forest as an alternative.

As for the foul...Coach K, Henderson, Coach Williams, Hansbrough, Frasor, Danny Green and Reyshawn Terry all concurred that the foul was not intentional. Hansbrough went so far as to say there was no bad blood and Williams called Henderson a "great kid".

Finally, to give a little more context to one of the other remarks, Coach K's comment about not having Hansbrough in the game came right before he also said he shouldn't have had Henderson in the game. He said both teams probably should have had their walk-ons in.

Highlifeman21
03-07-2007, 11:11 AM
To answer the original question: Yes, Billy Packer is the biggest tool in college bball. An interesting note, however: most Duke fans I know feel the same way about Packer. Those who hate Duke tend to want to think that, but he's just as bitter about Duke as the next person. He is an ACC apologist but he doesn't have any extra love for Duke. Duke rejected him in their recruitment back in the stone age and he went to Wake Forest as an alternative.

As for the foul...Coach K, Henderson, Coach Williams, Hansbrough, Frasor, Danny Green and Reyshawn Terry all concurred that the foul was not intentional. Hansbrough went so far as to say there was no bad blood and Williams called Henderson a "great kid".

Finally, to give a little more context to one of the other remarks, Coach K's comment about not having Hansbrough in the game came right before he also said he shouldn't have had Henderson in the game. He said both teams probably should have had their walk-ons in.

Maybe I heard this incorrectly, since I didn't see the game, but I thought I heard reports that with just under a minute in the game, Coach K put Henderson in the game with the intent to go foul someone, almost like John Cheney did at Temple a couple of years back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I really thought Coach K put Henderson in as an enforcer.

bucksfan
03-07-2007, 12:49 PM
I think the term intentional is a fuzzy issue anyway.

Gerald Henderson clearly intended to foul Hansborough as hard as he could and not allow any "easy baskets."
When the ball got stripped Henderson had already committed and could do nothing other than collide with Hansborough.

It was reckless, but in the way driving 50 MPH in a 35 is reckless.
Generally nothing major comes of it, in this case he broke Hansborough's nose.

The officials were right to eject him. He should sit out a game, maybe two.
But lets not act like Gerald Henderson should be held up on assault charges.

I agree with that. When thinking about it some more, the fact that, like I said, it did not appear to eb a "basketball natural" move is probably explained as you are saying.

halcyon
03-07-2007, 02:30 PM
Maybe I heard this incorrectly, since I didn't see the game, but I thought I heard reports that with just under a minute in the game, Coach K put Henderson in the game with the intent to go foul someone, almost like John Cheney did at Temple a couple of years back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I really thought Coach K put Henderson in as an enforcer.

No, I very seriously doubt it. If this was the case, there would be a firestorm of controversy like you wouldn't believe. If you heard it, it was pure speculation I would imagine.

Razor Shines
03-07-2007, 03:31 PM
Maybe I heard this incorrectly, since I didn't see the game, but I thought I heard reports that with just under a minute in the game, Coach K put Henderson in the game with the intent to go foul someone, almost like John Cheney did at Temple a couple of years back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I really thought Coach K put Henderson in as an enforcer.

I'm pretty positive that Henderson had been in the game for a while.

As for the foul. I agree with others that Henderson was frustrated and intended to foul Hansbrough very hard, mostly as to not give up an easy dunk. I have no problem with him giving a nice hard foul in that situation, I was taught not to give up easy dunks or layups, make 'em earn it. Unfortunately for Henderson the ball came loose before he got there and ended blasting Hansbrough in the nose. I think it deserved a flagrant foul, but I don't think he should have been ejected.

WMR
03-07-2007, 04:48 PM
Coach K took a time-out almost immediately preceding the foul on Hansborough. Someone who saw the game will have to chime in as to whether or not Henderson was a sub during that time-out, but I find it more than a little interesting that Coach K called a time-out with that little amount of time remaining and the foul just so happened to occur seconds afterwards...

Razor Shines
03-07-2007, 04:54 PM
Coach K took a time-out almost immediately preceding the foul on Hansborough. Someone who saw the game will have to chime in as to whether or not Henderson was a sub during that time-out, but I find it more than a little interesting that Coach K called a time-out with that little amount of time remaining and the foul just so happened to occur seconds afterwards...

I would imagine that during that time out he instructed them not to give up any dunks or lay-ups. He probably told them to give a good hard foul, which is what Henderson's foul would have most likely been if the ball had not come loose from Hansbrough. I think a lot of coaches would have done the same, and I don't have a problem with it.

And I saw the game and I'm pretty sure that Henderson was already in, but I can't remember with 100% certainty.

halcyon
03-07-2007, 05:31 PM
I can't remember either, but in any case, Coach K wouldn't have likely used Henderson as a thug anyways. The kid is the best friend of Wayne Ellington..a freshman...and by all accounts a wonderful young man. He has also been one of Duke's best players the past two games and had been perhaps their MVP to that point in this game. He woulda been a heck of a strange choice to rough someone up.

GAC
03-08-2007, 07:33 PM
I heard a call-in fan one time ask him if his middle name was "Fudge". :lol: