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UPRedsFan
03-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Today's article didn't sound good. He took more BP and wasn't at full speed yet.

He's still got 3 weeks, but I wonder if we may see a Hamilton/Deno platoon in right until Grif's healed?

fargo55
03-10-2007, 12:08 PM
Some times, I wonder if the "fast twitch" fibers that are more dominant in the muscles of your high speed athletes. Griffey is just one example of the kind of rocket quick outfielders, who can run down the long drive, that find themselves prone to musculo-skeletal breakdown. These kind of guys, Larry Walker was another and there are others, can get the bat into the zone quicker and to the bases better than the rest. Unfortunately, they have added bulk for power. A classmate of mine from medical school works with the Minnesota teams. His theory is that if these guys had normal percentages of fast twitch muscle fibers, they'd rarely suffer the injuries we're seeing more frequently. Of course they'd be slow outfielders that couldn't hit. He feels the pressure to bulk up has increased the rate of injuries. The tendons and ligaments don't build at the same rate. Thus, leaving these "fast guys" vulnerable.

ND_redsfan10
03-10-2007, 12:37 PM
I don't expect him to be in the Opening Day lineup at this point. It seems like the recovery isn't progressing as he'd like it to. However, I do not think it will keep him out more than a week or so into the season. It also is not an injury that will be affected by weather or playing conditions, like so many of his past injuries...so in theory, once this injury's healed, it's healed.

Should see him back out there soon. *crosses fingers*

BubbaFan
03-10-2007, 12:57 PM
A classmate of mine from medical school works with the Minnesota teams. His theory is that if these guys had normal percentages of fast twitch muscle fibers, they'd rarely suffer the injuries we're seeing more frequently. Of course they'd be slow outfielders that couldn't hit. He feels the pressure to bulk up has increased the rate of injuries. The tendons and ligaments don't build at the same rate. Thus, leaving these "fast guys" vulnerable.

Interesting idea. It does seem like there's often a price to pay for those super-elite athletes. Like Josh Hamilton. He's got the tools, for sure, but every season of pro ball he's played has ended in surgery. He says that's why he ended up on drugs. He was just so bored. All he ever had was baseball, but he was injured so often and couldn't play.

KoryMac5
03-10-2007, 01:02 PM
I am going to say he won't be ready for opening day thus if he is I can be pleasently surprised. I would like to see a platoon of Deno and Hamilton in right and Freel in Center if that is the case.

fargo55
03-10-2007, 01:29 PM
I don't do sports medicine but, my classmate from med-school who does, says it's like putting a Viper V-10 in your VW. You know that sounds like fun. Probably be high maintenance though.

TOBTTReds
03-10-2007, 03:42 PM
I am going to say he won't be ready for opening day thus if he is I can be pleasently surprised. I would like to see a platoon of Deno and Hamilton in right and Freel in Center if that is the case.

Does this mean Crosby makes the team? He's been hitting very well so far.

fargo55
03-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Trade for Ellison with the Giants, the guy is hitting above .750 with a slugging percentage above 1.000. The Giants said yesterday that he's ready but they don't have room for him on their Major League roster.

fearofpopvol1
03-10-2007, 05:12 PM
I think he will be ready actually. Not sure why, but I do...

MartyFan
03-10-2007, 06:21 PM
TC...Any thoughts on this one?

Dracodave
03-10-2007, 06:32 PM
Trade for Ellison with the Giants, the guy is hitting above .750 with a slugging percentage above 1.000. The Giants said yesterday that he's ready but they don't have room for him on their Major League roster.

Ellison is 28/29. He's way too old to just be "ready".Plus, we really don't have a use for him either.


If I wanted a 27/29 year olds who were ready, I'd look no further than Deno and/or Crosby.

fargo55
03-11-2007, 03:50 AM
True, but have they been as consistently powerful as Ellison? I believe Ellison could step into the outfield in a heartbeat and stay there for 5-6 years. When he makes contact in BP, it sounds like Pujols. The guy is ready for prime-time and they treat him like an in-grown toe nail. This for a guy who has reached base in 16 of his last 17 at bats.

ND_redsfan10
03-11-2007, 08:58 AM
Fay's piece in the paper today speculates that Griffey might be holding out to avoid enduring the utter humiliation of possibly playing some right field.

If Griffey really is being that selfish, he should be sent a message. I believe the man still has options?

I think it's more of a conspiracy theory on the part of John Fay, but everyone will certainly agree that this is really frustrating...

mth123
03-11-2007, 09:05 AM
Fay's piece in the paper today speculates that Griffey might be holding out to avoid enduring the utter humiliation of possibly playing some right field.

If Griffey really is being that selfish, he should be sent a message. I believe the man still has options?

I think it's more of a conspiracy theory on the part of John Fay, but everyone will certainly agree that this is really frustrating...

Can't option a veteran.

This is a story that is more about Spring Training being too long, with too many media sources all needing something to write about.

Spring Training is for the pitchers to get ready and the hitters don't need that much time. A veteran like Griffey probably only needs a week or so of ABs to be ready for the season. If he's still out on March 25th, then it will be an issue. I do want him to play a few games in RF just to take the lame excuse of never playing there away.

rotnoid
03-11-2007, 11:14 AM
I've got a feeling he'll be ready. Of course, I also didn't think a broken toe would sideline him for more than a month. The problem is that he's no longer the fast starter he used to be. Back in the Seattle days, Grif was setting HR records for the month of April. It seems now that he needs more ABs in ST to get into form. On this team, everything has to go right, there's little room to wait for May for Griffey to get warm.

Dracodave
03-11-2007, 11:32 AM
True, but have they been as consistently powerful as Ellison? I believe Ellison could step into the outfield in a heartbeat and stay there for 5-6 years. When he makes contact in BP, it sounds like Pujols. The guy is ready for prime-time and they treat him like an in-grown toe nail. This for a guy who has reached base in 16 of his last 17 at bats.

Where do you get Ellisons power from? He's not that great of a hitter. What he does in spring training will not pale a career line of




G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
235 447 68 114 23 3 7 31 164 29 60 18 8 .305 .367 .255

Cooper
03-11-2007, 11:38 AM
I talked to a Reds announcer from the FS Ohio network...he reported that Griffey told him -he didn't want to test it until the last week of spring training. Inferring that it was silly to do so before that.

Also, Griffey and Dunn are some what tentative with Freel playing CF. They both worry that Freel is gonna run into them on a regular basis. Griffey has reportedly told management that he didn't mind playing RF as long as there was a real CFer in CF.

I realize some of this stuff has been reported already on the board --it was just interesting to hear it from a semi-inside source. Also, this info may be 3rd hand. My guess is there's something to it or we would not have heard it from multiple sources.

If Freel plays CF running into guys becomes less of a problem because he's got the first option on all fly balls anyway.

It's great to have a guy that goes full tilt and plays a million positions, but there's also a downside to this kind of thing. NO ONE gets comfortable at their positions, thus causing conflicted feelings toward going after a ball.

forfreelin04
03-11-2007, 01:07 PM
I'm honestly tired of Griffey getting to decide when he can come back. It seems to me he has it in his head that he cannot come back too early or risk an injury to the same body part. In all actuality, he will probably just hurt something else when he does come back. I want someone that is going to want to play through "soreness" and toe injuries. Believe it or not, Griffey is going to have to play some Spring Training or he'll be flat out of the gate in April. Gurantee that.