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Hoosier Red
03-11-2007, 10:08 AM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070311/COL09/703110403/1071

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. - Walking out toward the batting cage at Ed Smith Stadium Friday, I noticed a familiar figure. Left-handed batter. Little waggle with the bat as he sets up. Beautiful, smooth stroke.

It was the first time this spring I saw Ken Griffey Jr. swing the bat. I haven't been avoiding him, and I don't think he's avoiding me.

But Griffey has been hard to find in the batting cage this spring. The broken hand that was supposed to be healed has kept him from playing in games and limited him to one session of live batting practice.


Griffey says he's done talking about when he'll be ready.

"Let's nip that in the bud," he said. "You'll see me out there when I'm out there."

The Reds say Griffey will be out there when he decides he's ready. "We're waiting for him to tell us," general manager Wayne Krivsky said. "He knows his body better than anyone. With the leg last year, we gave him the extra time and it turned out to be the prudent thing to do."

The Collective Bargaining Agreement prohibits team doctors or trainers from talking about a player's injury.

We know Griffey has taken cortisone shots. When he was talking about it, Griffey said it was just a matter of getting the hand, broken some time in December, stronger.

That was three weeks ago.

It should be noted that it's still early. The Reds have 19 exhibition games left. So there's more than enough time for Griffey to get ready.

But there seems to be more at work here than just the hand healing.

A conspiracy theorist might say Griffey is waiting to play so there's not enough time to experiment with switching him to right field.

Griffey's never embraced the idea of the switch.

He also has never rejected it outright.

And it still could happen. Switching from center field to right isn't like switching from second base to shortstop or from the infield to the outfield.

The responsibilities with center and right are nearly identical, but the ball comes off the bat with a different spin.

No one working for the Reds has said Griffey is delaying his return.

The right-field move probably is going to happen. Griffey has taken balls in right in workouts and during batting practice.

In fact, outfield coach Billy Hatcher stayed behind from the Winter Haven trip to work with the outfielders, including Griffey, on Saturday.

When the Reds originally talked about the plan, the flaw in it was that Ryan Freel, the center fielder-to-be, has a tendency to miss a lot of games with injuries.

Asking Griffey to play right one day and center the next might have been a bit much.

But the way Josh Hamilton has played in camp, the Reds can put him in center and be confident he'll make plays.

Again, Griffey could take the field today - either in right or in center - and be rolling by Opening Day.

He has done everything everyone else has done in camp - except for hitting.

And maybe it is just the hand holding him back.

He's 37 years old. Injuries don't heal as quickly when you're his age. Each of the last two years, he was day-to-day for nearly the entire month of September with foot injuries.

Last September, the Reds' offense fell off severely after Griffey's injury. The Reds hit .227 as a team with 23 home runs in September after hitting .253 with 48 homers in August.

So the key is having a healthy Griffey for as long as possible in the regular season.

If he's still playing in September, the time he missed in March won't matter.

But the whole thing seems just a little odd.

Tom Servo
03-11-2007, 10:18 AM
Oh, do I hope Fay is right.


And I continue to be astounded by the terrible stats tallied up by our team in late August/all of September. .227 average? Ouch.

SirFelixCat
03-11-2007, 10:43 AM
Griffey has been my idol since 1988. I adore the guy. My favorite player of all time.



And I pray this comes to be. Jr. simply can not play CF anymore. He has become a liability, at that position. It makes the Reds a better team if he is in RF. I just hope it happens and goes well. :fingerscrossed:

Blimpie
03-11-2007, 10:44 AM
Not exactly cold, hard proof there. At least he is shagging flies in right.

BTW, I am so sick of people implying that Freel's injury history would be a reason to delay the Griffey move from center. Those two matters are unrelated.

Tony Cloninger
03-11-2007, 11:37 AM
So the writer thinks that Griffey still has time to get ready to hit in another 2 weeks? Let alone start playing RF?

I see him coming back and struggling to get back in the groove while Narron keeps batting him 3rd through the whole thing. This has finally become annoying to me.

RedlegJake
03-11-2007, 11:44 AM
I like Junior a lot also and the Narron quote that "it won't take Junior long to get ready" (paraphrased) that I read a couple days ago bugged me. Junior ALWAYS needs a while to get in his groove. Hopefully, Tony - he'll at least be in RF while he's struggling in the 3 hole.

Chip R
03-11-2007, 12:33 PM
Looks like John has been reading my posts.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1257517&postcount=25

KoryMac5
03-11-2007, 12:47 PM
Griffey is 37 years old this is what his 17th or 18th spring training most vets don't work on a heck of a lot in spring training anymore simply because they train all year round. I just can't see missing AB's in spring training keeping Griffey out of the groove all season long. On the plus side he is taking flyballs in right who would have ever thought that.

KronoRed
03-11-2007, 01:28 PM
I'll believe it when I see a real lineup with him in RF.

Here's a question, if he is moved just because of Hamilton, what happens on the days when Hamilton sits? and what happens if Hamilton really tanks and isn't a starter anymore? will the Reds play someone else in CF or will JR moved back?

Hmm.

vaticanplum
03-11-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm going to start writing my posts like newspaper columnists.

Starting tomorrow, it's a new way of posting.

Is it necessary? Probably not.

Is it easier to read? Not really.

Is it the standard?

Apparently.

Let's all see how this goes.

I, for one, can't wait.

Can't wait.

KronoRed
03-11-2007, 02:59 PM
Ouch VP :help:

edabbs44
03-11-2007, 03:04 PM
I'll believe it when I see a real lineup with him in RF.

Here's a question, if he is moved just because of Hamilton, what happens on the days when Hamilton sits? and what happens if Hamilton really tanks and isn't a starter anymore? will the Reds play someone else in CF or will JR moved back?

Hmm.

Related to this, it's just more evidence that Denorfia is/was never in this team's plans to be a key player for the organization.

He's one of the only guys to show up down the stretch last season and was rated the best defensive player in the Intl League in 2006. But look at this quote:


But the way Josh Hamilton has played in camp, the Reds can put him in center and be confident he'll make plays.

So, in Fay's mind, the Reds didn't feel like Deno would be able to fill the role of a 4th outfielder but watching a guy who has less than 100 ABs above single A ball for two weeks in spring training gives the FO the confort that he will be able to "make plays"?

I'm pulling for this guy, but I don't want to see them get burned because the guy has a good spring.

Then again...with the 3-5 pitchers in the rotation this season, there won't be much to burn.

membengal
03-11-2007, 03:15 PM
I'm going to start writing my posts like newspaper columnists.

Starting tomorrow, it's a new way of posting.

Is it necessary? Probably not.

Is it easier to read? Not really.

Is it the standard?

Apparently.

Let's all see how this goes.

I, for one, can't wait.

Can't wait.

That is.

Absolutely.

A.

Fantastic post.

Truly.

If I did not have to.

"Spread some more rep" around.

You would be getting some.

Strikes Out Looking
03-11-2007, 04:08 PM
I'm going to start writing my posts like newspaper columnists.

Starting tomorrow, it's a new way of posting.

Is it necessary? Probably not.

Is it easier to read? Not really.

Is it the standard?

Apparently.

Let's all see how this goes.

I, for one, can't wait.

Can't wait.

Have you been abducted by Donald Rumsfeld?

pedro
03-11-2007, 04:10 PM
Have you been abducted by Donald Rumsfeld?

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

KoryMac5
03-11-2007, 04:11 PM
I'm going to start writing my posts like newspaper columnists.

Starting tomorrow, it's a new way of posting.

Is it necessary? Probably not.

Is it easier to read? Not really.

Is it the standard?

Apparently.

Let's all see how this goes.

I, for one, can't wait.

Can't wait.

Sounds more like Christopher Walken posting

wheels
03-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Hey....I post like that.

Now I feel bad about myself.

paintmered
03-11-2007, 04:17 PM
Hey....I post like that.

Now I feel bad about myself.

I do too. :(

vaticanplum
03-11-2007, 04:27 PM
No you don't. You guys are separating your points. You're not doing it for dramatic effect.

Witness the difference:

Do posters on this board write at the same level of idiocy displayed by columnists?

Columnists writing not for themselves, but for an audience?

An audience conditioned to have the attention span of a housefly?

Consider this:

Could what you say be legitimately contained in a single paragraph?

Sometimes the answer is no.

We don't want our paragraphs too long. I myself err more on this side of the fault line.

But sometimes...

Sometimes the answer is yes.

Sometimes a three-sentence paragraph becomes three paragraphs.

It somehow makes the whole thing seem more...

Dramatic.

Important.

Wise.

Do you do this?

I have never noticed that you do.

But then, I'm just me.

Tony Cloninger
03-11-2007, 05:27 PM
Unlike Smokey Burgess who could wake up in the middle of winter and get a base hit.....Griffey has struggled when having time off due to an injury.
If i recall....besides that one game or 2 when he came back and hit some HR's before facing that wacky LHP (Willis)....he has struggled to regain his hitting form.

BCubb2003
03-11-2007, 05:32 PM
This reminds me of "Oh Holy Cow!: The Selected Verse of Phil Rizzuto," including this poem ...

BUNS

He has powerful legs and cute buns,
That Henderson.
That was a great shot,
Going to second base there.
There's nothing wrong with that, White.
That's a popular expression.
High, and it's one and one.
His legs were churning.

reds44
03-11-2007, 05:49 PM
I'll believe it when I see a real lineup with him in RF.

Here's a question, if he is moved just because of Hamilton, what happens on the days when Hamilton sits? and what happens if Hamilton really tanks and isn't a starter anymore? will the Reds play someone else in CF or will JR moved back?

Hmm.
I don't think the article was implying so much that Hamilton is the everyday CF, then if/when Freel goes down, Hamilton could do the job filling in.

Blimpie
03-11-2007, 07:17 PM
Sounds more like Christopher Walken posting"Frankenstein--he nevah scared me....but maaaahsupials do."

gonelong
03-11-2007, 08:42 PM
"Frankenstein--he nevah scared me....but maaaahsupials do."

Because their fast!

toledodan
03-11-2007, 11:00 PM
I don't think the article was implying so much that Hamilton is the everyday CF, then if/when Freel goes down, Hamilton could do the job filling in.


i was watching espn over the weekend. gammons was talking about hamilton and said he wouldn't be shocked if he was the opening day centerfielder. i agree he could bomb after spring training but the kids hitting and skill set is scary good. if this team isn't ready to compete it would be nice to give hamilton and votto a real shot this season. of course we would have to move hatteburg.

TOBTTReds
03-11-2007, 11:18 PM
i was watching espn over the weekend. gammons was talking about hamilton and said he wouldn't be shocked if he was the opening day centerfielder. i agree he could bomb after spring training but the kids hitting and skill set is scary good. if this team isn't ready to compete it would be nice to give hamilton and votto a real shot this season. of course we would have to move hatteburg.

I could see JH in CF as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see Freel traded. We could add a good piece if he is dealt. Deno would be our Util OF'er/baserunner.

MartyFan
03-12-2007, 12:41 AM
Griffey has been my idol since 1988. I adore the guy. My favorite player of all time.



And I pray this comes to be. Jr. simply can not play CF anymore. He has become a liability, at that position. It makes the Reds a better team if he is in RF. I just hope it happens and goes well. :fingerscrossed:

He's a good one, that's for sure...I mean in the last 20 years if there is a player who is worthy of that sort of adoration, it is Junior...and you are right, the Reds are a better team with him in RF.

Eric_Davis
03-12-2007, 02:50 AM
Not exactly cold, hard proof there. At least he is shagging flies in right.

BTW, I am so sick of people implying that Freel's injury history would be a reason to delay the Griffey move from center. Those two matters are unrelated.

No kidding. But we can say that here because it's a forum. In the real world, feelings get hurt and you have to coddle Griffey, or he might sulk and feel bad and not play well because of it. Never mind that he's supposed to be a professional and should be able to accept the fact that he was the worst starting center fielder in baseball last year.

RedFanAlways1966
03-12-2007, 07:59 AM
In the real world, feelings get hurt and you have to coddle Griffey, or he might sulk and feel bad and not play well because of it. Never mind that he's supposed to be a professional and should be able to accept the fact that he was the worst starting center fielder in baseball last year.

Worst FIELDING centerfielder is what this should mean... just wanna make sure that is clear. When someone says worst CF, then some might start to believe that he cannot hit.

Not sure that Junior has been known to "not play well" when his feelings are hurt. Perhaps some truth can be shared relative to that? I am sure many remember December 2002 when JimBo tried to trade Junior to SD for Phil Nevin... although Nevin used his no-trade clause. The 2003 season saw Junior miss 100 games due to physical (not mental or emotional) injury. However, in the 57 games he played we saw a .936 OPS.

Natty Redlocks
03-12-2007, 12:01 PM
Worst FIELDING centerfielder is what this should mean... just wanna make sure that is clear. When someone says worst CF, then some might start to believe that he cannot hit.

Not sure that Junior has been known to "not play well" when his feelings are hurt. Perhaps some truth can be shared relative to that? I am sure many remember December 2002 when JimBo tried to trade Junior to SD for Phil Nevin... although Nevin used his no-trade clause. The 2003 season saw Junior miss 100 games due to physical (not mental or emotional) injury. However, in the 57 games he played we saw a .936 OPS.

Maybe they should try to make him cry then; his .800 OPS last year wasn't too purty for an alleged supastar

RedFanAlways1966
03-12-2007, 01:21 PM
Maybe they should try to make him cry then; his .800 OPS last year wasn't too purty for an alleged supastar

You might have a point... some guys seem to play better when they're mad. Just a down year, like lots of other REDS last year (Dunn too). Still Junior is one of their best "offensive" options based on last year's OPS numbers. Although the argument can be made for those below him in OPS that their game is a different one and is not the kind of game that gives a high OPS.

2006 Season, OPS
Dunn = .855
Junior = .802
Freel = .762
Deno = .724

For those interested... Kearns = .810 & F. Lopez = .727. :devil: