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savafan
03-14-2007, 01:31 AM
Did anyone else hear Keith Olberman today on the Dan Patrick show? He said that in reality, Rose's lifetime has already been quietly lifted, and that he is now on some form of probation, with this exhibit at the Reds HOF and museum the first step. By MLB allowing Rose to appear at GABP and for the Reds to recognize him in an official capacity, it has made null the agreement signed with Giamatti, says Olberman. He also said that it is common knowledge that Rose won't be allowed to manage again, and that Pete is okay with that, but to look for Rose to possibly be named hitting coach of the Reds in the future, and at the very least, to have serve in some official capacity with the Reds in the front office if he continues to follow the terms of his probation over the next year.

Interesting...

guttle11
03-14-2007, 01:39 AM
I can't see him ever being allowed in uniform again. I'd bet that a deal would be struck that would allow MLB to use Pete's name for merchandise, MLB would promote Pete's personal appearances, Pete would be eligible for the HOF, and perhaps he would be allowed to participate in Spring Training.

Caseyfan21
03-14-2007, 01:52 AM
If any of this is happening/going to happen I can guarantee it's because of Bob Castillini.

WMR
03-14-2007, 01:54 AM
Anything would be nice at this point. Pete's getting up there a little bit... it'd be really sad if his life ended without him having made some sort of peace with baseball.

geniusMoment
03-14-2007, 02:01 AM
Rose was upset at Selig at his press conference today. He said he really thought he was going to be let back into baseball, and to ask Selig why he renigged on the deal. He wasn't happy.

cacollinsmba
03-14-2007, 02:17 AM
Did anyone else hear Keith Olberman today on the Dan Patrick show? He said that in reality, Rose's lifetime has already been quietly lifted, and that he is now on some form of probation, with this exhibit at the Reds HOF and museum the first step. By MLB allowing Rose to appear at GABP and for the Reds to recognize him in an official capacity, it has made null the agreement signed with Giamatti, says Olberman. He also said that it is common knowledge that Rose won't be allowed to manage again, and that Pete is okay with that, but to look for Rose to possibly be named hitting coach of the Reds in the future, and at the very least, to have serve in some official capacity with the Reds in the front office if he continues to follow the terms of his probation over the next year.

Interesting...

Did Olbermann blame Bill O'Reilly for this development?

Perhaps Rose will be eligible for "Worst Person in the World" if he screws up Dunn's swing in the future.

WVPacman
03-14-2007, 02:20 AM
I can't see him ever being allowed in uniform again. I'd bet that a deal would be struck that would allow MLB to use Pete's name for merchandise, MLB would promote Pete's personal appearances, Pete would be eligible for the HOF, and perhaps he would be allowed to participate in Spring Training.


I agree there is NO WAY that mlb will let him back in a club house wearing a jersey.I do think if they are planning on letting him in the HOF then they should before he passes away.Rose deserved to be punished but enough is enough already.The guy might not of managed the right way BUT he did play the game the right way...and the stats that he got when he played is amazing and that should be enough for him to get into the HOF.

I know if I was in Roses shoes and if I was getting up there in age and not gotten into the hof yet... that I would put it in my will to not EVER put me in the hof after I have passed b/c they could have easily put me there when I was a live.

MartyFan
03-14-2007, 05:40 AM
I honestly thought today was going to bring an announcement that the ban had been lifted...surprised it did not.

sonny
03-14-2007, 06:26 AM
Maybe he'll throw out the first pitch on opening day. the announcement could be made then. but, probably not.

GSURedsfan
03-14-2007, 08:10 AM
Maybe he'll throw out the first pitch on opening day. the announcement could be made then. but, probably not.

They already said the mayor of Cincy is throwing out the first pitch.

--Brent

RedFanAlways1966
03-14-2007, 08:39 AM
I hope it is true that Pete Rose gets put into the Hall of Fame. I hope Pete Rose does not do things (write a book) that will not let it happen. I hope Pete Rose does not do things after induction that make it seem that his only concern with getting into Cooperstown was to profit from it. I hope MLB does not allow Pete back in uniform in any way so that future generations of players/coaches/managers will understand that you do not bet on any game in any manner. I hope that Pete's induction speech will bring tears to all of our eyes and make us realize the importance of that accompishment to him... b/c he loves baseball like we all do.

LoganBuck
03-14-2007, 08:50 AM
700 WLW is reporting this morning that Pete has purchased tickets to opening day behind home plate. It will be his first game at the GABP. I wonder if he had to purchase a power pack? :D

Team Clark
03-14-2007, 09:25 AM
700 WLW is reporting this morning that Pete has purchased tickets to opening day behind home plate. It will be his first game at the GABP. I wonder if he had to purchase a power pack? :D

:laugh: I'm not sure if your comments are in jest. Pete has attended several games in the Diamond Seats at GABP. Once the fans figured out he was sitting there it was as if the Pope had arrived. (Yes, I just used Pope and Pete in the same sentence):laugh:

zombie-a-go-go
03-14-2007, 09:28 AM
Rose was upset at Selig at his press conference today. He said he really thought he was going to be let back into baseball, and to ask Selig why he renigged on the deal. He wasn't happy.

Rose has a serious issue with authority. It's important to believe in yourself and stand up for what you know is right, but you also have to know how to pick your battles. If he wants back in baseball, he needs to swallow his pride and go before Selig on bent knee.

I wouldn't lift the ban, personally, but Bud likely wants some sort of popularity boost before he turns out the lights of the Commissioner's office one last time, and letting Rose back in baseball would likely do it.

Phhhl
03-14-2007, 09:57 AM
Did anyone else hear Keith Olberman today on the Dan Patrick show? He said that in reality, Rose's lifetime has already been quietly lifted, and that he is now on some form of probation, with this exhibit at the Reds HOF and museum the first step. By MLB allowing Rose to appear at GABP and for the Reds to recognize him in an official capacity, it has made null the agreement signed with Giamatti, says Olberman. He also said that it is common knowledge that Rose won't be allowed to manage again, and that Pete is okay with that, but to look for Rose to possibly be named hitting coach of the Reds in the future, and at the very least, to have serve in some official capacity with the Reds in the front office if he continues to follow the terms of his probation over the next year.

Interesting...

I don't know that I would want to see Pete as hitting coach. It would be a circus and would relegate whoever is manager (or player for that matter) to a supporting role in the media's eye. Maybe one of those "special assistant to the gm" roles, where he could do a multitude of things.... provide instruction in spring training, show up in uniform for certain occasions.

I hope all of this is true. Olberman was one of Pete's harshest critics at one point, so I don't think he'd be throwing this out there arbitrarily.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 10:00 AM
700 WLW is reporting this morning that Pete has purchased tickets to opening day behind home plate. It will be his first game at the GABP. I wonder if he had to purchase a power pack? :D


I was thinking the same thing. :lol:

This sounds like a lot of speculation from Olbermann. He seems to be assuming a lot of stuff.

George Anderson
03-14-2007, 10:07 AM
I cannot see MLB letting Rose back in unless he agrees to stop all gambling whether it be at the track or the casino or anywhere. I find it highly unlikely that Pete would agree with that agreement and even then I doubt if he is even capable of stopping all gambling in his life.

lollipopcurve
03-14-2007, 10:09 AM
I don't know that I would want to see Pete as hitting coach.

Neither do I. I wouldn't mind him having a ceremonial post with the team, but I wouldn't want him to have any on-field role. His focus should be the fans -- that's where his value to the franchise lies.

Always Red
03-14-2007, 10:24 AM
I cannot see MLB letting Rose back in unless he agrees to stop all gambling whether it be at the track or the casino or anywhere. I find it highly unlikely that Pete would agree with that agreement and even then I doubt if he is even capable of stopping all gambling in his life.

That would be pretty hypocritical of MLB- gambling is everywhere right now, more so than it's ever been, and it's growing by the day.

I think they know Rose is an addicted gambler, and will never quit- but then, he's not alone in that.

I agree with the sentiment to reinstate him, and keep him off the field and out of uniform. A ceremonial, front office position of some kind with the Reds would be OK with me, as long as it doesn't keep the other members of the BRM away (some of them have had public problems with Rose).

To be honest, Rose was my boyhood idol. I grew up on the west side of town, and some of my very first memories of Reds baseball are Rose's batting titles of 1968-69. But I'd also be fine with him not ever being in the employ of the Reds again. I don't want to see him tarnish himself or Reds again, in any way, so I'd be very leary, and very careful if I were Castellini.

RANDY IN INDY
03-14-2007, 10:42 AM
I don't know that I would want to see Pete as hitting coach. It would be a circus and would relegate whoever is manager (or player for that matter) to a supporting role in the media's eye. Maybe one of those "special assistant to the gm" roles, where he could do a multitude of things.... provide instruction in spring training, show up in uniform for certain occasions.


:beerme: Boy, that famous #14 would look good with the rest of the retired numbers.

Team Clark
03-14-2007, 10:46 AM
I just read the ill-informed article on the Enquirer web site. I can only imagine that these yahoo's MEANT to write or should have written that this will be Rose's FIRST OPENING DAY at GABP. Why am I not at all surprised that the Enquirer is wrong?

REDREAD
03-14-2007, 10:59 AM
I have to wonder why Pete would accept some agreement to let him back into baseball and let MLB make money off him with promotions, etc if he wasn't getting a cut. Pete has always said he wants to be reinstated so he can a job in baseball and make a living. I agree he should never manage again, but I wonder if he's angling for another job.

Pete would be a fantastic talent evaluator. IMO, that was his main value as a manager. He is able to seperate the wheat from the chaff. He spotted Browning and Sabo as key players when they were off the Reds radar.. I believe Sabo was working PT at McDonalds that spring training because he was such a longshot to make the team. (No joke).

Eric Davis said in his book that Pete was able to accurately predict the career of just about everyone on the 25 man roster. Pete said Eric would be an impact player when healthy, but would get hurt a lot due to his style of play, etc.

I would LOVE to have Pete be an advisor with input into potential trades. Wayne needs the help.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 11:02 AM
I just read the ill-informed article on the Enquirer web site. I can only imagine that these yahoo's MEANT to write or should have written that this will be Rose's FIRST OPENING DAY at GABP.


I saw that too. :lol: Coluld be they meant "as a spectator". Of course, maybe that wasn't Pete at all those Opening Days at Crosley and Riverfront. Maybe it was his evil twin. If it was, he should blame the gambling on baseball on the twin. ;)

crazybob60
03-14-2007, 11:17 AM
Rose has a serious issue with authority. It's important to believe in yourself and stand up for what you know is right, but you also have to know how to pick your battles. If he wants back in baseball, he needs to swallow his pride and go before Selig on bent knee.

I wouldn't lift the ban, personally, but Bud likely wants some sort of popularity boost before he turns out the lights of the Commissioner's office one last time, and letting Rose back in baseball would likely do it.


said very well, especially the last paragraph.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 11:23 AM
Pete's gotta learn that denial isn't just a river in Egypt. In the Enquirer thi morning this was a quote from Pete:

"A couple of years ago, I thought I was going to be reinstated ... based on my two meetings I had with Bud Selig. You'll have to ask Bud Selig what changed his mind," Rose said.

Gee, Pete, you think it was because you were trying to sell a book admitting the same thing at the same time as the announcements for the HOF? You think that may have had something to do with it? :rolleyes:

savafan
03-14-2007, 11:25 AM
Gee, Pete, you think it was because you were trying to sell a book admitting the same thing at the same time as the announcements for the HOF? You think that may have had something to do with it? :rolleyes:

In Pete's defense, the book wasn't supposed to be released at the same time as the HOF announcements, it was the publisher who moved up the book's scheduled release date.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 11:27 AM
In Pete's defense, the book wasn't supposed to be released at the same time as the HOF announcements, it was the publisher who moved up the book's scheduled release date.


Sure it wasn't. And Pete didn't bet on baseball either.

durl
03-14-2007, 11:27 AM
Olbermann has pretty much zero credibility to me. I mean, the guy will blast you as the Worst Person in the World if you even use a right-turn signal.

Still, I hope Pete gets back in. Pete being black-balled while steroid use is swept under the carpet makes MLB look rather idiotic. I know, Pete broke "the" rule, but it's time to stop treating Rose like he's ruined the game when Bud, the players union, and the umpires union have done more to hurt it than Rose ever did.

westofyou
03-14-2007, 12:23 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6567252



CINCINNATI (AP) - Pete Rose said his fans would likely be "elated" if baseball reinstated him.

"Everything should be for the fans," Rose said Tuesday before a preview party celebrating Saturday's opening of a special exhibit in his honor at the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame. "If they retired my number here, don't you think the fans would be elated?

"They could send a hit man after me, and I would still be out there trying to sell baseball. My name's synonymous with baseball."

Several Rose-related artifacts have been on display at the Reds Hall of Fame since it debuted in 2004, a year after Great American Ball Park opened. The new exhibit includes more that 300 items from the career of Rose, who finished playing in 1986 with a career-high 4,256 hits. His total is reflected at the Reds' Hall in a three-story high wall of baseballs - one for each hit.

"I'm just happy having three stories of balls. That's a lot of balls," said Rose, who spent almost three more seasons as Cincinnati's manager before he agreed to a lifetime ban in 1989 after an investigation if his gambling. In a 2004 autobiography, Rose admitted he had gambled on baseball.

Displayed at the news conference were the bat Rose used and the ball when he got hit 4,192 to pass Ty Cobb.

"You want to check and make sure there's no cork in that bat?" Rose joked.

Because of the ban, Rose is not eligible for induction into the Reds' or Baseball's Hall of Fame. He also is not allowed to be involved in most on-field activities, which has prevented the Reds from retiring his uniform No. 14.

Major League Baseball did include him in two events - 1999's All-Century Team and 2002's 30 Memorable Moments - that were sponsored by a credit card company. He couldn't say whether he thought the current exhibit represented a softening of baseball's stance regarding his ban.

"I want to thank baseball for giving the permission to do this," he said about the exhibit. "They wouldn't let me be on the field for the last game here (at Cinergy Field, the Reds' previous home). They wouldn't let me go to the last game in Philadelphia (at Veteran's Stadium) either."

westofyou
03-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Olbermann has pretty much zero credibility to me. I mean, the guy will blast you as the Worst Person in the World if you even use a right-turn signal.

Still, I hope Pete gets back in. Pete being black-balled while steroid use is swept under the carpet makes MLB look rather idiotic. I know, Pete broke "the" rule, but it's time to stop treating Rose like he's ruined the game when Bud, the players union, and the umpires union have done more to hurt it than Rose ever did.
The Umpires union?

Hardly a comp.

Joseph
03-14-2007, 12:41 PM
I think people would mostly get over the Pete situation if he were reinstated and all us Reds fans could see the number go up with JB, and Morgan, and Sparky. After that, Pete would become less of a yearly discussion topic.

Pete made his bed.

Baseball continues to make him a martyr.

Redsland
03-14-2007, 12:47 PM
Olberman is channeling Furman, IMHO.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Olberman is channeling Furman, IMHO.


Furman or Wildman Walker?

Redsland
03-14-2007, 01:09 PM
Another good comp. :thumbup:

Yachtzee
03-14-2007, 01:40 PM
I have no problem with Pete Rose being reinstated into baseball, if he ever does what Bart Giamatti asked him to do. When Pete was banned, Giamatti told him he needed to reconfigure his life. I took that to mean that he needed to get help with his gambling and stay away from those situations that got him in trouble in the first place. I think he needs to show true contrition for his acts without an expectation for a quid pro quo. Instead, he continues to hang out in Vegas and even though he admitted to betting on baseball, he did so in a way designed to cash in on the admission and seems to feel that he was doing it in exchange for reinstatement rather than a true acceptance for the pain and embarrassment he has caused baseball, the Reds, and his fans. By bashing Selig today for not following through on his end of the "deal," Pete just proves that he's thinking about himself, even if he couches it in terms of "what the fans want."

I honestly believe that if Pete Rose had admitted what he had done at that conference with Bart Giamatti, apologized, immediately entered a treatment program for his gambling addiction, and stayed away from the track and Vegas, he'd not only be back in baseball and in the Hall of Fame by now, I think he'd be in a job doing something he loved.

Team Clark
03-14-2007, 02:13 PM
The Umpires union?

Hardly a comp.

I agree with you in so much as the Umpires Union is a very small piece of that particular argument. However, the shenanigans they pulled several years ago left the Major Leagues with some very unqualified umpires on the field. (OTH, some really bad ones were axed too). Putting bad, unqualified or simply over matched umpires on the field does impact the integrity of the game. Fortunately it was not for very long.

Do you agree with that? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Maybe I'm not thinking this through.

TC

westofyou
03-14-2007, 02:23 PM
I agree with you in so much as the Umpires Union is a very small piece of that particular argument. However, the shenanigans they pulled several years ago left the Major Leagues with some very unqualified umpires on the field. (OTH, some really bad ones were axed too). Putting bad, unqualified or simply over matched umpires on the field does impact the integrity of the game. Fortunately it was not for very long.

Do you agree with that? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Maybe I'm not thinking this through.

TC

I think it's a small problem (or was) but that "tear in a salted sea" moment increased the level of umpiring across the board in the long run.

Small step back, big one forward.

Team Clark
03-14-2007, 02:44 PM
I think it's a small problem (or was) but that "tear in a salted sea" moment increased the level of umpiring across the board in the long run.

Small step back, big one forward.

I can go along with that. One big positive out of that episode was the forced "proper" evaluation of the umpires. It does make me wonder how someone like Angel Hernandez keeps his job.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 02:50 PM
I can go along with that. One big positive out of that episode was the forced "proper" evaluation of the umpires. It does make me wonder how someone like Angel Hernandez keeps his job.

C.B. Bucknor too. Don't they have a new union? Not quite as powerful as they had when Phillips was in charge but still powerful enough to keep the incompetents on.

killuminati35
03-14-2007, 03:31 PM
Olbermann has pretty much zero credibility to me. I mean, the guy will blast you as the Worst Person in the World if you even use a right-turn signal.

Still, I hope Pete gets back in. Pete being black-balled while steroid use is swept under the carpet makes MLB look rather idiotic. I know, Pete broke "the" rule, but it's time to stop treating Rose like he's ruined the game when Bud, the players union, and the umpires union have done more to hurt it than Rose ever did.

His [Olbermann] politics has nothing to do with baseball.

westofyou
03-14-2007, 03:33 PM
His politics has nothing to do with baseball.

Yep... don't fret it though... you can slam the left on RZ night and day. It creates a balance in the universe... :laugh:

Team Clark
03-14-2007, 03:33 PM
C.B. Bucknor too. Don't they have a new union? Not quite as powerful as they had when Phillips was in charge but still powerful enough to keep the incompetents on.

Yeah no kidding!!! Can't believe I forgot about him. He's just flat out incompetent. I actually will watch a game on TV if he is behind the plate. It only takes an inning or two before tensions heat up. Good call Chip! :thumbup:

dfs
03-14-2007, 03:41 PM
I can go along with that. One big positive out of that episode was the forced "proper" evaluation of the umpires. It does make me wonder how someone like Angel Hernandez keeps his job.
Like many here, I've been watching the 1975 series dvd's.

There's no way that armbrister would have got away with that interference today, one of the umpires would have done the right thing. Breaking the umpire's union may have cost integrety briefly with the scabs, but making the umpire's responsible to evaluators has very much improved the game.

westofyou
03-14-2007, 03:42 PM
Yeah no kidding!!! Can't believe I forgot about him. He's just flat out incompetent. I actually will watch a game on TV if he is behind the plate. It only takes an inning or two before tensions heat up. Good call Chip! :thumbup:

When the renegotiations took place you can bet that concessions were made by both sides, this would include letting umps back in because they were younger, demographically pleasing, less forceful, not married to Richie Phillips, etc.... It's the nature of the beast, not everyone who wins is Sir Galahad.

George Anderson
03-14-2007, 03:50 PM
Like many here, I've been watching the 1975 series dvd's.

There's no way that armbrister would have got away with that interference today, one of the umpires would have done the right thing. Breaking the umpire's union may have cost integrety briefly with the scabs, but making the umpire's responsible to evaluators has very much improved the game.

Whether the Armbrister call was right or not is debatable. But one thing for sure none of the base umps will over rule the plate ump for his call simply because it is not allowed. The plate ump has the final say and cannot be over ruled.

As far as Buckner, until a quality minority, minor league umpire is ready to be advanced to the bigs to replace Buckner, we will all just have to suffer thru him a little longer.

Sea Ray
03-14-2007, 04:08 PM
I agree with you in so much as the Umpires Union is a very small piece of that particular argument. However, the shenanigans they pulled several years ago left the Major Leagues with some very unqualified umpires on the field. (OTH, some really bad ones were axed too). Putting bad, unqualified or simply over matched umpires on the field does impact the integrity of the game. Fortunately it was not for very long.

Do you agree with that? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Maybe I'm not thinking this through.

TC

I think the umpiring is much better now than it was ten years ago. There's no umpire in MLB now that is as bad as Eric Gregg. The strike zone is much more consistent. They are now calling the "belly button" strike and the 3-6" off the outside corner a ball which is the way it should be. The strike zone is also now called the same in both leagues.

I am of the opinion that Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine would not have been as successful if the strike zone had been called correctly in the 90s. To their credit they recognized this loophole and exploited it to their advantage. I once heard Tom Glavine quoted as saying his strategy early in a game was to figure out where an ump would call a strike that "really wasn't a strike" and then try to stretch that area out further.

Chip R
03-14-2007, 04:26 PM
As far as Buckner, until a quality minority, minor league umpire is ready to be advanced to the bigs to replace Buckner, we will all just have to suffer thru him a little longer.


I can't believe that there aren't minor league/high school/college/little league umpires out there better than C.B. If it was a true meritocracy he and Hernandez would be long gone.

But it was never really about the quality of the umpiring. Some bad ones left and that was a good thing but it was more about breaking the umpire's union more than replacing good ones with bad ones.

gonelong
03-14-2007, 04:34 PM
Did anyone else hear Keith Olberman today on the Dan Patrick show? He said that in reality, Rose's lifetime has already been quietly lifted, and that he is now on some form of probation, with this exhibit at the Reds HOF and museum the first step.

Interesting. I remember all the grief that Carroll (pitching research guy) received when he came out saying Rose would be reinstated. From this statement it sounds like the possiblity exists that he was right.

GL

George Anderson
03-14-2007, 04:47 PM
I can't believe that there aren't minor league/high school/college/little league umpires out there better than C.B. If it was a true meritocracy he and Hernandez would be long gone.

But it was never really about the quality of the umpiring. Some bad ones left and that was a good thing but it was more about breaking the umpire's union more than replacing good ones with bad ones.

Its not a true meritocity. I also think Hunter Wendelstadt isn't very good either. But his dad Harry runs and owns one of the two schools a potential umpire must attend and pass in order to have a chance at umpiring minor league baseball. Had Hunter's dad not been who he is I know he wouldnt be in the bigs today.

I know two umpires who are in AA and A respectively, and politics definitely play a big part in who advances and who doesnt. I have seen it first hand at the College and High School level myself.

durl
03-14-2007, 05:23 PM
His [Olbermann] politics has nothing to do with baseball.

His politics? I agree it has nothing to do with baseball. It's more of his habit of getting a crazed look in his eyes when he goes into a rant against someone or something while omitting part of the facts. I question his judgment...including his Pete assessment. I hope he's correct, but any time he opens his mouth, I expect him to say something about how those in the mothership are disappointed with us. :)

Rocket_Fuel
03-14-2007, 06:00 PM
Did Olbermann blame Bill O'Reilly for this development?

Perhaps Rose will be eligible for "Worst Person in the World" if he screws up Dunn's swing in the future.


Who cares about Bill O'Reilly.

savafan
03-15-2007, 03:28 AM
I'm not sure why, but this report from 2002 was in today's Oxford Press:

http://www.oxfordpress.com/sports/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2007/03/14/ddn031507mccoyrose.html



By Hal McCoy

Staff Writer

Wednesday, March 14, 2007

Editor's note: This was originally published on Dec. 13, 2002.

NASHVILLE U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine, a devoted Pete Rose and Cincinnati Reds fan, offered some positive words involving the possible reinstatement of Rose.

Speaking at the Dayton Developmental Coalition's annual meeting Thursday, DeWine said during his talk, "For those of you who are baseball fans, I got a call from Bud Selig, the commissioner. He said it was a private conversation, so I can't disclose anything. But I think I can tell you the reports in the newspaper are accurate. Things are looking pretty good if you are in favor of Pete coming back."

DeWine, chairman of the antitrust subcommittee of the judiciary committee, developed a relationship with Selig when the baseball commissioner testified.

What DeWine obviously confirmed is that Selig and Rose, or his representatives, have a continuous dialogue and that with every meeting an agreement for reinstatement of the banished Rose is closer.

Sources said Selig wants a confession or disclosure from Rose that he bet on baseball and wants the full story on Rose's baseball gambling activities. And those same sources said that Rose, after denying for 13 years that he bet on baseball, is leaning toward giving Selig what he wants.

If Rose is reinstated, he will be eligible to once again work in baseball and will be eligible for the Hall of Fame ballot.

Sources told the Dayton Daily News that a decision could come within a month, but Selig is wrestling with the problem of a large faction of Hall of Famers who do not want Rose reinstated. Some threaten to boycott future Hall of Fame ceremonies if Rose is reinstated or voted into the Hall of Fame.

Meanwhile, John Dowd, the Washington lawyer who investigated Rose at the request of former commissioners Peter Ueberroth and Bart Giamatti, told The New York Post on Thursday that, "It's probably right" that Rose not only bet on Reds games, but that he bet against the Reds in the mid- and late 1980s when he managed the Reds.

He said his investigation was close to uncovering the evidence, but that time constraints intervened. His official Dowd Report said there was no evidence that Rose bet against the Reds.

Dowd did say that Rose did not bet on the Reds when two of his pitchers worked, and named Mario Soto. A Dayton Daily News report in 1989 during the investigation said the same thing and that the other pitcher was Dennis Rasmussen. "That sent a message to the gambling community that Rose thought the Reds can't win on those days," Dowd said.

"I would like to know what Rose has been doing the last 12 years and whether he is still gambling," Dowd said.

Dowd wonders about the bookmakers Rose might owe and questions if Rose's gambling activities are over.

He said if they want Rose to tell the truth, they have to make certain he doesn't owe any bookmakers, Because if he does (owe money) and gets reinstated and becomes a manager, he is suspect in everything he does as far as his decisions running a game. I'd be surprised and disturbed if they let him back in.

Dowd added that if Rose is still gambling, even if it is only legally on greyhound racing, horse racing or football and basketball in Las Vegas,the onus is still there that he is a gambler, and the temptation is too great to bet on basketball, something he knows most about.

Dowd also said Rose told somebody who relayed it to Dowd that part of the reinstatement agreement would be that Rose would return as manager of the Cincinnati Reds and that Rose said the Reds wanted to dump current manager Bob Boone and make him manager.

Chief Operating Officer John Allen denied it.

"There is absolutely nothing to it," Allen said. "We've had no discussions and I'd know about something like this because I am the COO and the liaison to ownership."

Allen said if Rose is reinstated the Reds would consider using him as a special instructor in spring training, the way they do with Johnny Bench, "but Bob Boone is our manager."

StillFunkyB
03-15-2007, 06:39 AM
I would love to see this happen for one selfish reason, and one selfish reason only...

I want a Pete throwback.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

sonny
03-15-2007, 07:42 AM
I want a Pete throwback

Maybe you should consider getting a bowl haircut

BurgervilleBuck
04-25-2007, 10:22 AM
Perhaps Rose will be eligible for "Worst Person in the World" if he screws up Dunn's swing in the future.
Yes, because Dunn's swing in the present is something to write home about.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 10:24 AM
I don't think the suspension will ever be lifted.

BurgervilleBuck
04-25-2007, 11:44 AM
I don't think the suspension will ever be lifted.
I think it will but only posthumously.

Jaycint
04-25-2007, 11:51 AM
December 21, 2012 AD

westofyou
04-25-2007, 11:54 AM
December 21, 2012 AD

We'll all get it then

Jaycint
04-25-2007, 11:57 AM
We'll all get it then

Yep, turn out the lights, the party's over.

BurgervilleBuck
04-25-2007, 12:33 PM
December 21, 2012 ADWe'll all get it then
Redsfest expected to become mandatory & more expensive?

Jaycint
04-25-2007, 01:15 PM
Redsfest expected to become mandatory & more expensive?

http://www.crystalinks.com/mayancalendar.html

World is supposed to either end or transition into a new world age. Have lots of fun and be merry up until then just in case.

Always Red
04-25-2007, 01:16 PM
Yep, turn out the lights, the party's over.

so say the Mayans...