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jesusfan
03-19-2007, 11:38 PM
I agree... Hermanson would set our bullpen up the way Eddie did last year for the 3 weeks he was pitching for us... With Hermanson closing, Coffee, Bray, Stanton and Weathers can return to the roles that suit them and I believe our pen will be very good... Here's hoping:beerme:


Reds closer to having a closer
Healthy Hermanson an appealing option
BY JOHN FAY | JFAY@ENQUIRER.COM

SARASOTA, Fla. - The Reds aren't going to make any announcement, but the feeling in camp is that they've found their closer.

The question about Dustin Hermanson was whether his back was sound. Through three outings, several bullpen sessions and one very tough play at first, his back has been fine.

If Hermanson can be what he was in the 2005 - when he saved 34 games and had a 2.04 ERA with the Chicago White Sox - one of the biggest questions about the Reds will be answered.


"It would be huge for us," Reds manager Jerry Narron said.

Heretofore, the Reds have talked about using a combination of David Weathers and Mike Stanton in the closer role.

"That's still a pretty good combination," Narron said. "Their role just might be different."

Narron talked a bit about what a team wants in a closer Sunday.

"You've got to have talent, you've got to be a guy that has the intangibles and wants to pitch the ninth inning," Narron said.

Hermanson, a 34-year-old right-hander, qualifies on all counts - particularly the "wanting the ball" part. He wants the ball, and he wants to attack hitters.

"All I do is think intensity as a closer," he said. "I like watching guys throughout the game, and I analyze what they've been doing. You've got to be smart out there."

"I think intensity will get you through a lot of situations. That's one of the things you can't teach is intensity," Hermanson said.

Hermanson faced his toughest test Saturday. The Red Sox sent up Kevin Youkilis, Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz against him. He got all three on flyouts.

"I'm recovering from this little (cold) that I've got. I know I'm not going to overpower people," he said. "I went nice and easy and let the ball run for me."

That's basically Hermanson's style. He throws a split-finger and a slider.

"Let them see it over the middle; by the time it gets there, it's on their hands," Hermanson said. "That's what happened. Their eyes get big and they jam themselves. I'm still learning how to pitch. You throw that ball down the middle and let it run somewhere, it's amazing."

Hermanson has a wealth of experience. He has started, set up and closed. Hermanson went 14-11 with a 3.13 ERA for Montreal in 1998 and 14-13 with a 4.45 ERA for St. Louis in 2001 as a starter.

His career path has come full circle. He was a closer in the minors and at Kent State. In fact, he never started a game in the minors. But the Expos made him a starter in 1997.

He remained a starter until 2002. His first extended time as a closer came in 2004 for the San Francisco Giants. He saved 17 games that year.

His breakout year was 2005 with the White Sox.

But he always had the closer mentality.

NatiRedGals
03-19-2007, 11:42 PM
I agree... Hermanson would set our bullpen up the way Eddie did last year for the 3 weeks he was pitching for us... With Hermanson closing, Coffee, Bray, Stanton and Weathers can return to the roles that suit them and I believe our pen will be very good... Here's hoping:beerme:

I agree with you even though most people dont the reason i do is because Hermanson can help us out until Eddie is ready to roll :roll: which i think will be sooner then most think but who knows ethier way im pretty happy with the bullpen this year :KoolAid:

Dracodave
03-19-2007, 11:47 PM
A closer who tops out at 85? Unless thats his two-seamer and he can top out at alteast 91/92...

He's not even a decent set up.

jesusfan
03-19-2007, 11:49 PM
Imagine if Eddie and Herm is healthy... We'd have Hermanson and Eddie for the 8th and 9th and a deep pen for the 6th and 7th with Coffee, Bray, Stanton, Weathers, Burton (hoping).... What is different this year is we actually have options if injuries occur and I think pitching will be above average in the starter and bullpen department this season...

Patrick Bateman
03-19-2007, 11:50 PM
I'd be shocked if Hermanson or Guardado helped at all this year.

Dracodave
03-19-2007, 11:52 PM
Imagine if Eddie and Herm is healthy... We'd have Hermanson and Eddie for the 8th and 9th and a deep pen for the 6th and 7th with Coffee, Bray, Stanton, Weathers, Burton (hoping).... What is different this year is we actually have options if injuries occur and I think pitching will be above average in the starter and bullpen department this season...



I say a bullpen of this looks better.

LR-Belisle/Saarloos
LR-Majeskwi

MR-Stanton
MR-Weathers

SU-Coffey/Bray
CL-Burton

Thats a bullpen. Limit the last three's exposure and you have a deadly 1/2 punch at the end of the bullpen as well as the front of the rotation

jesusfan
03-19-2007, 11:52 PM
Not saying it isnt true but when and who said he tops out at 85?? Did you personally clock him? Think about the fact that Hermanson has maybe pitched 2 months in the last year, could he be getting his arm strength back?

Patrick Bateman
03-19-2007, 11:53 PM
So a handful of spring training innings and mediocre minor league results translates to Burton as closer?

I don't see it. I'd like to carry him, but he should start out in lower leverage situations and see what he can do at the major league level before annointing him closer.

reds44
03-19-2007, 11:54 PM
Don't count on Hermanson or Guardado for anything this year. Whatever you get is a bonus.

I do think the bullpen is much better then last year though. Belisle (or Saarloos), Majewski, Coffey, Bray, and Burton all have good arms. Weathers was solid last year, and I think Stanton will do fine also.

Dracodave
03-19-2007, 11:54 PM
Not saying it isnt true but when and who said he tops out at 85?? Did you personally clock him? Think about the fact that Hermanson has maybe pitched 2 months in the last year, could he be getting his arm strength back?

Alot of people on this site have spoken out including TC who's word I do indeed trust.

reds44
03-19-2007, 11:54 PM
Not saying it isnt true but when and who said he tops out at 85?? Did you personally clock him? Think about the fact that Hermanson has maybe pitched 2 months in the last year, could he be getting his arm strength back?
It's only a matter of time before his back problem would flare up anyways.

Razor Shines
03-19-2007, 11:55 PM
Reds closer to having a closer
I'd more likely believe this title if the second "closer" was pronounced the same as the first "closer".

jesusfan
03-19-2007, 11:57 PM
I agree... Burton needs to prove his worth first. That is one reason I want Hermanson and Eddie to get back healthy-- THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE... We need stability in the pen and they can help Coffee, Bray, Burton make the transition...

Patrick Bateman
03-19-2007, 11:57 PM
Not saying it isnt true but when and who said he tops out at 85?? Did you personally clock him? Think about the fact that Hermanson has maybe pitched 2 months in the last year, could he be getting his arm strength back?

Well based on flyer, it seems Hermy is only throwing 85, and he has seen him pitch lots this spring, and flyer has been known to be reliable. It's the best source I have seen regarding Hermanson, so I'm going to assume it's true for the sake of the argument.

Even if Hermanson is "back", he's still not lights out. He had a very lucky year with the Sox to make him elite. If he gets back to top form, he will help for sure, but at this point, the odds don't suggest to count on it.

reds44
03-20-2007, 12:00 AM
I agree... Burton needs to prove his worth first. That is one reason I want Hermanson and Eddie to get back healthy-- THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE... We need stability in the pen and they can help Coffee, Bray, Burton make the transition...
Being there before only takes you so far. Eventually talent needs to be involved, and Eddie's and Herman's talent is diminished from what it used to be.

Bobby Jenks wasn't there before in 2005 and did fine as a closer down the stretch for the White Sox.
Same goes for Wainwright and the Cards last year.

Now do the Reds have someone with their stuff as a closer? No, but my point is you need talent more the exp.

jesusfan
03-20-2007, 12:04 AM
The one thing I do know is that the Red's have more options this year for the pen than in a long time... Coffee, Bray, Hermanson, Stanton, Cormier, Weathers, Burton, Salmon, Coutlogus, Santos, Belisle/Saarloos, Guardado (By July) I feel like the pen will be much improved, but then again I may just be a tad bit optimistic...

BEETTLEBUG
03-20-2007, 12:58 AM
I Read On Other Site About Benitez Or Jorge Julio Why ? Julio Maybe But He Is Under 30 So He May Not Fit Their Needs. Besides We Have Too Many Older $$$$ Pitchers That We Couldn't Get Away From Plus Milton. What Ever.

thatcoolguy_22
03-20-2007, 08:13 AM
That is one reason I want Hermanson and Eddie to get back healthy-- THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE...

see: Paul Wilson, Mike Stanton and David Weathers...

I have said it all spring if (and that is a HUGE if) Hermanson can pick his velocity back up to 88-91 he could be a potential closer. He does have a fair slider and a nasty split. Any pitcher throwing splitters low in the zone in our ballpark could be a nice asset to have.

OesterPoster
03-20-2007, 08:59 AM
A closer who tops out at 85? Unless thats his two-seamer and he can top out at alteast 91/92...

He's not even a decent set up.

...and what was Guardado's top speed last year while reeling off save after save?

corkedbat
03-20-2007, 09:03 AM
hermanson = Blech!

BRM
03-20-2007, 09:47 AM
...and what was Guardado's top speed last year while reeling off save after save?

The guy threw a grand total of 14 innings for the Reds and had 8 saves. Let's not get too carried away here. To answer your question though, I can't remember what his velocity was last year but I'm pretty sure he wasn't topping 90.

coachw513
03-20-2007, 09:52 AM
...and what was Guardado's top speed last year while reeling off save after save?

You beat me to it... :thumbup:

As we saw last year, closing is as much about makeup as it is about stuff...Todd Coffey easily had the best stuff in the pen last year, but was unable to effectively close...

Listening to the Tigers reminded me that Todd Jones is their closer (though Joel Zamaya isn't half bad ;) )

I'm more concerned that Hermanson is healthy and effective than if he can throw 92 MPH...and Guardado totally proved that last year, if only for a time...

Always Red
03-20-2007, 10:00 AM
I wouldn't count on Eddie being back this year; if he does, it's a bonus.

I have no problem with trying out Hermanson in the closer spot UNLESS it means Burton going back to the A's. If so, I'm against it. I'd rather see them trade either Stanton or Cormier (if they're keeping Hermanson) away before giving Burton back. Burton could help this team for years down the road, which is something that none of the others mentioned can do.

BRM
03-20-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm more concerned that Hermanson is healthy and effective than if he can throw 92 MPH...and Guardado totally proved that last year, if only for a time...

Eddie actually proved both sides of the argument last year. He had 23 terrible innings for Minnesota and 14 good innings for Cincinnati. Which one was the real Eddie? Both?

coachw513
03-20-2007, 10:15 AM
Eddie actually proved both sides of the argument last year. He had 23 terrible innings for Minnesota and 14 good innings for Cincinnati. Which one was the real Eddie? Both?

IMHO, a closer is a closer...Guardado went south in Minnesota when he was being used as a setup guy...it seems like ole Eddie needs the "juice" of the 9th-inning pressure to succeed...once again, the mental part of this equation...

Clearly, we all wish instead of the Guardado/Hermanson debates, we'd love to throw Rivera or Wagner out there...it really seems like up til the last 2 years when Graves flamed out, we'd always had solid, if not great closers (Granger, Carroll, Eastwick, Bair, Hume, Myers, Dibble, Brantley, Shaw, Graves) and solid bullpens...

I do think this year shaped up MUCH better than 1 year ago today...truly, I cannot even remember some of the names of the guys we rolled out on opening day '06...AND PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME :cry: