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dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 03:12 PM
590 AM from Lexington is reporting that Tubby Smith will be the next head coach at Minnesota.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_081140713.html


(WCCO) Minneapolis WCCO's Mike Max has learned that the University of Minnesota may be close to announcing a new men's basketball coach, and the newest name in the mix is Tubby Smith of Kentucky.

In a meeting Tuesday night between Smith and University of Kentucky officials, a resignation from Smith was expected. Word is that Gophers athletics director Joel Maturi was on a flight Wednesday afternoon to Lexington to meet with Smith.

Smith won a national championship in 1998, his first season with the Wildcats. Kentucky lost to Kansas Sunday in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Smith's team lost all six matchups against ranked opponents and finished 9-7 in the SEC. There has been speculation throughout the year that this would be his last at Kentucky.

Former coach Dan Monson resigned on Nov. 30. Jim Molinari took over on an interim basis. The Gophers finished 9-22 overall, 3-13 in the conference. The 22 losses were the most in school history.

The Gophers are in a competition for coaching candidates with two other Big Ten programs. Michigan fired head coach Tommy Amaker on Saturday. The job at Iowa also appears to be vacant. Steve Alford is reportedly close to a deal to take over at the University of New Mexico.

guttle11
03-22-2007, 03:16 PM
What the...

Caseyfan21
03-22-2007, 03:17 PM
Good for Tubby. He's a good coach and he might as well get out of town under his own terms before all the fans run him out.

cincy09
03-22-2007, 03:19 PM
ESPN is now reporting this as well

Javy Pornstache
03-22-2007, 03:21 PM
Yes!!!!!

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 03:22 PM
There is a rumor floating around here.....we're trying to confirm it

HumnHilghtFreel
03-22-2007, 03:24 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2808406

RedsFan75
03-22-2007, 03:28 PM
http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=6265858

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 03:28 PM
Interesting...

Sweetstop
03-22-2007, 03:35 PM
Saw Tubby (along w/ his buddy Mike Sutton) scouting at the Sweet Sixteen yesterday afternoon. Didn't realize it might be for another team.

BRM
03-22-2007, 03:36 PM
Nice hire for the Gophers.

Javy Pornstache
03-22-2007, 03:36 PM
The Minnesota report says that he resigned Tuesday night and the Minnesota AD flew to Lexington to meet with Tubby. Reportedly gonna get $1.8MM with the Gophers.

Joseph
03-22-2007, 03:40 PM
Holy smoke!

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 03:43 PM
Can't wait to see how long it takes for UK fans to want to run the new guy out of town, whomever it may be.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
03-22-2007, 03:44 PM
Kinda funny he resigned with alot of Kentucky fans wanting him to be fired. Great move for the Gophers IMO.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
03-22-2007, 03:45 PM
Wonder if it went like this. "I quit" "you can't quit" "why not" "cause your fired"

Joseph
03-22-2007, 03:45 PM
Can't wait to see how long it takes for UK fans to want to run the new guy out of town, whomever it may be.

Agreed. I think he's got one year. They might accept one year of 15-15 or something, then all bets are off.

BRM
03-22-2007, 03:46 PM
Can't wait to see how long it takes for UK fans to want to run the new guy out of town, whomever it may be.

Any ideas on who the front runners may be? I know Cats fans would like Billy Donovan but I don't see that happening.

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 03:47 PM
Any ideas on who the front runners may be? I know Cats fans would like Billy Donovan but I don't see that happening.

I know nothing....at this point.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 03:49 PM
Any ideas on who the front runners may be? I know Cats fans would like Billy Donovan but I don't see that happening.


You'll hear alot of names, mostly thrown out there by UK fans.

Calipari, Matta, Donovan would be the first ones I'd expect to hear.

Crean and Ford are more realistic.

Javy Pornstache
03-22-2007, 03:49 PM
We won't "run anyone off" if they play the caliber basketball the elite programs of the nation expect. It doesn't mean the Final Four every year like moron talking heads suggest. But 25 losses in two years and back to back 8 seeds all the while claiming "I don't see the problem here" ISN'T Kentucky-caliber basketball. I'm sure UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Indiana wouldn't expect any different.

BRM
03-22-2007, 03:53 PM
You'll hear alot of names, mostly thrown out there by UK fans.

Calipari, Matta, Donovan would be the first ones I'd expect to hear.

Crean and Ford are more realistic.

Yeah, I hear Travis Ford's name a lot.

guttle11
03-22-2007, 03:56 PM
If I were a Kentucky fan, I'd be looking at John Beilein from WVU. All the guy ever does is win. He took WVU to the Elite 8 and the Sweet 16 in back to back years, and led a young team, that was picked last in the Big East, to the NIT final four, and nearly the Dance.

He's a proven winner.

durl
03-22-2007, 03:57 PM
I'm kinda sad things didn't work out with Tubby...he's a very likeable guy and represented the university well. Still, I have no doubt that the program will improve with the right coach. The downward trend of the past several years needed to stop.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 03:57 PM
If I were a Kentucky fan, I'd be looking at John Beilein from WVU. All the guy ever does is win. He took WVU to the Elite 8 and the Sweet 16 in back to back years, and led a young team, that was picked last in the Big East, to the NIT final four, and nearly the Dance.

He's a proven winner.

Wouldn't be a bad pick at all.

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:00 PM
I'm hoping they hire Tommy Amaker....

:evil:

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:02 PM
I'm hoping they hire Tommy Amaker....

:evil:

Why, because Ricardo Patton is already taken? :devil:

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Why, because Ricardo Patton is already taken? :devil:

Patton is another great choice for UK...

joshnky
03-22-2007, 04:06 PM
Take this for what its worth because its coming from other message boards but the rumor is that Tom Crean will be the man to replace Tubby.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:07 PM
Patton is another great choice for UK...


Just heard Lorenzo Romar's named dropped by someone "in the know." That would take care of those style of play issues.

I'll take Crean or Gillispe from T A+M.

Red Leader
03-22-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm hoping they hire Tommy Amaker....

:evil:

:laugh:

I laugh because...he's gone!

Sham
03-22-2007, 04:12 PM
At Rupp last weekend UK fans were talking that the #1 target is Matta.

Red Leader
03-22-2007, 04:14 PM
No way Thad Matta leaves Ohio State for Kentucky.

If he does, he dumber than I thought.

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:15 PM
:laugh:

I laugh because...he's gone!

You must be a Michigan guy. I'm guessing there were parties in the streets when Amaker was fired.

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:16 PM
At Rupp last weekend UK fans were talking that the #1 target is Matta.

He might be the target but they won't be getting him. Crean is probably the logical choice.

guttle11
03-22-2007, 04:16 PM
No way Thad Matta leaves Ohio State for Kentucky.

If he does, he dumber than I thought.

He's a snake. Never say "no way" when talking about Matta.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:16 PM
No way Thad Matta leaves Ohio State for Kentucky.

If he does, he dumber than I thought.

I'd say there's a way. $$$

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/basketball_contracts/flash.htm

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:17 PM
I'd say there's a way. $$$


Good point. Throw enough money at anyone and you're likely to get him.

TeamSelig
03-22-2007, 04:17 PM
Wow. I'm happy, but sad because this eliminates us from the Patrick Patterson running.

Reds Fanatic
03-22-2007, 04:18 PM
Here is the story from ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2808406


Tubby Smith is leaving Kentucky after 10 seasons to take over the head coaching job at Minnesota.

Smith, who had four years remaining on his contract, will be introduced at a 1 p.m. ET news conference Friday in Minneapolis. He made his intentions known to Kentucky players and athletic director Mitch Barnhart earlier Thursday and also phoned former Minnesota coach Dan Monson, who was fired in November, to tell him he was accepting the job.

Minnesota is expected to pay Smith $1.8 million per year.

In 10 years at Kentucky, where he replaced Rick Pitino, Smith went 263-83 and went to the NCAA Tournament every season, winning the 1998 national championship. But the Wildcats have not been back to the Final Four since. This season's team, which finished 22-12 overall and 9-7 in the SEC, had more Kentucky fans calling for Smith's ouster.

Earlier this month, before the Wildcats played their first-round NCAA Tournament game, Barnhart issued a statement supporting Smith, saying "Tubby's our basketball coach."

But Barnhart also said that he and Smith would sit down after the season to discuss potential changes -- and declined to say whether any of Smith's assistants might be replaced.

Gonzaga coach Mark Few and Notre Dame's Mike Brey are expected to be candidates to replace Smith.

Meanwhile, while watching the defending national champion Gators practice in St. Louis in preparation for their Sweet 16 game against Butler on Friday, Florida athletic director Jeremy Foley did not seem particularly concerned if Kentucky pursues coach Billy Donovan.

When asked whether he expected Kentucky to contact Donovan, Foley replied, "It's a free world. There's nothing to prevent them from doing that."

"We're trying to win an NCAA championship. He's our coach and he's been tremendously loyal for a long time. That's all I'm going to say about it."

Donovan and Foley have been discussing a contract extension but have not agreed to one. Foley said he expected it to get done

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:18 PM
UK is one of the top 5 jobs in college basketball.

Yes bigger than both of the football schools(tOSU and UF). I would think Donovan and Matta are at the top of the list.

Personally I would think Tim Floyd would be a good choice if some others shy away.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:19 PM
Mike Brey!!! Mike Brey!!!

Heath
03-22-2007, 04:20 PM
Mike Brey's an interesting name.

I wonder if the next coach is going to have to start recruiting some local kids. (re: born and bred Bluegrass Staters)

TeamSelig
03-22-2007, 04:21 PM
Billy Donavan would have to be my top priority.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:21 PM
The Kentucky people will never go for Mark Few. He didn't "play the game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Few

NJReds
03-22-2007, 04:21 PM
UK is one of the top 5 jobs in college basketball.



No doubt, but might they have a bit of the same reputation as the Alabama football job -- great gig, but tons of pressure from the fans and boosters. Some guys don't want to deal with that.

As for Donovan, I think part of it might have to do with his contract. Does he have an out to go to another SEC school? I have no idea.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:22 PM
I wonder if the next coach is going to have to start recruiting some local kids. (re: born and bred Bluegrass Staters)

Other than Lofton (whom alot of people missed out on), there hasn't been much big time D1 talent in state in the last few years.

Chip R
03-22-2007, 04:22 PM
I think Nick Saban is about ready to leave Bama. ;)

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
03-22-2007, 04:23 PM
He's a snake. Never say "no way" when talking about Matta. X fan?

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:23 PM
No doubt, but might they have a bit of the same reputation as the Alabama football job -- great gig, but tons of pressure from the fans and boosters. Some guys don't want to deal with that.


No doubt. Less pressure at Florida.

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:24 PM
No doubt, but might they have a bit of the same reputation as the Alabama football job -- great gig, but tons of pressure from the fans and boosters. Some guys don't want to deal with that.
but a great recruiter/coach(like Pitino was) could win a number of NCAA titles. Not many schools afford that opportunity.

If Pitino had stayed at UK I believe he would have had at least 4 titles by now.

Red Leader
03-22-2007, 04:24 PM
UK is one of the top 5 jobs in college basketball.

Yes bigger than both of the football schools(tOSU and UF). I would think Donovan and Matta are at the top of the list.

Personally I would think Tim Floyd would be a good choice if some others shy away.

Why not interview Coach K and Roy Williams while you're at it?

Sorry for the sarcasm, I just don't think UK's head coaching position is that incredible that someone like Thad Matter would leave a now Top 5 program for, or Billy Donovan would leave a Top 5 program for.

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:24 PM
No doubt. Less pressure at Florida.... and second fiddle to football.

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 04:25 PM
UK is one of the top 5 jobs in college basketball.

Yes bigger than both of the football schools(tOSU and UF). I would think Donovan and Matta are at the top of the list.

Personally I would think Tim Floyd would be a good choice if some others shy away.

Thad Matta isn't going anywhere....

I wouldn't.

BRM
03-22-2007, 04:27 PM
... and second fiddle to football.

Another good point. That's the primary reason Alford gave for leaving Iowa and going to New Mexico. The new president there has stated he wants New Mexico to be a basketball school, on a national level.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:28 PM
As for Donovan, I think part of it might have to do with his contract. Does he have an out to go to another SEC school? I have no idea.

I just did a quick scan of his contract and didn't see anything of the like.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/basketball_contracts/pdfs/florida_bb.pdf

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:28 PM
Coaches love the limelight and most want the challenge and opportunity to be at the top. UK, like it or not(I am not a UK fan), provides the opportunity.

Donovan and Matta coach at schools was basketball is behind the football programs and it will always be. UK affords the opportunity to win multiple championships while being the top dawg at the school. It one of those things the top basketball programs(Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, etc) have in common

paintmered
03-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Thad Matta isn't going anywhere....

I wouldn't.

Last time I heard, he was staying at Xavier.


Err...whoops.

Chip R
03-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Why not interview Coach K and Roy Williams while you're at it?

Sorry for the sarcasm, I just don't think UK's head coaching position is that incredible that someone like Thad Matter would leave a now Top 5 program for, or Billy Donovan would leave a Top 5 program for.

But it's UK. Every coach would give his left one to coach there. Pitino's probably driving to Lexington as we speak. Florida's not playing till tomorrow so Donovan's got some free time. ;)

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Thad Matta isn't going anywhere....

I wouldn't.If Greg Oden and Conley both go to the NBA(as well as Cook which is very likely), what is keeping him around?

Think he couldn't recruit even better at Kentucky?

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:31 PM
Last time I heard, he was staying at Xavier.


Err...whoops.UK is a step up from tOSU in the world of college basketball.

Reds Fanatic
03-22-2007, 04:31 PM
Here are some more names thrown out as possible replacements in CBS Sportsline's article.



Names that will surface as possible replacements are Florida's Billy Donovan, Texas A&M's Billy Gillispie, Memphis' John Calipari, Marquette's Tom Crean, Villanova's Jay Wright, Ohio State's Thad Matta, Gonzaga's Mark Few, Texas' Rick Barnes and countless others. Also, don't be surprised if the interest of Louisville's Rick Pitino is gauged. He preceded Tubbs at Kentucky before leaving for the NBA.

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:32 PM
Everybody other than guys like Coach K, Roy and Bill Self(and maybe even him) are possible candidates.

guttle11
03-22-2007, 04:35 PM
X fan?

No. Not at all.

Sweetstop
03-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Why not interview Coach K and Roy Williams while you're at it?

Sorry for the sarcasm, I just don't think UK's head coaching position is that incredible that someone like Thad Matter would leave a now Top 5 program for, or Billy Donovan would leave a Top 5 program for.


RL, I hope you aren't trying to compare OSU and FL's basketball history and tradition to Kentucky's here.:) Ky is still the winningest program in the NCAA, last time I checked.

Chip R
03-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Last time I heard, he was staying at Butler.


Err...whoops.

Fixed that for you. ;)

Red Leader
03-22-2007, 04:50 PM
RL, I hope you aren't trying to compare OSU and FL's basketball history and tradition to Kentucky's here.:) Ky is still the winningest program in the NCAA, last time I checked.

I'm not trying to compare history, tradition, any of that stuff because I think we'll all agree that they're not even close.

What I'm saying is that currently both of those coaches (Matta and Donovan) are running Top 5 programs in the nation. They've built those programs. I guess there could be intrigue there to move to a "history rich" program like UK and try to build that program back up, so I could see that being an argument for them taking the job, but what if they don't experience immediate success? What if it takes 4-5 years and then, they are only considered an "above average" basketball program? The UK fans will be all over them, calling for their heads. Donovan and Matta are both seen as gods in their current situations. If I was a coach, I'd be happy with that (as long as the dollars were close - and looking at that link someone provided, they aren't far off from what Tubby was being paid). I don't know, maybe these guys are more "gamblin' men" than I am, but it's not like Florida and Ohio State are Div III schools or anything.

Having said all of that, I am not a basketball fan. I never played basketball, hardly ever watch basketball and generally (w/the exception of March Madness) could care less about basketball. If I changed this over to football, I could see a coach at a good football school, say Wisconsin, very much wanting to move to a school like Notre Dame, or Florida, or USC, or Ohio St., or Michigan. So maybe it is that you just need to have a basketball background to understand the significance of the UK coaching position vs all other "big schools having success" around the country...

Puffy
03-22-2007, 04:50 PM
but a great recruiter/coach(like Pitino was) could win a number of NCAA titles. Not many schools afford that opportunity.

If Pitino had stayed at UK I believe he would have had at least 4 titles by now.

Not picking on you but 4 more titles by now is a little overboard on the hyperbole dontcha think?

Coach K doesn't yet have 4 at Duke, Roy Williams has 1 at Kansas and UNC, Bobby Knight didn't win 4 total at Indiana

Blimpie
03-22-2007, 04:53 PM
Good move for Tubby. Great hire by Minnesota.

No way on God's green Earth will Travis Ford be the next coach at UK. He has never done anything to warrant a head coaching job of this magnitude.

Pedigree is nice, but it only serves to perpetuate lore. UK has not hired a "pedigree" head coach since Joe B. Hall.

flyer85
03-22-2007, 04:53 PM
Not picking on you but 4 more titles by now is a little overboard on the hyperbole dontcha think?I meant 4 overall. He won one, Tubby won the next year after he left(98), I think Pitino would have won that as well. Pitino also lost an OT final to Arizona while he was there. I think 2 additional titles in the last 9 years would not have been a stretch had Pitino stayed.

Pitino had set up the UK for one of the great all-time runs. They played in three championship games in a row(96-98) and won two of them and only lost in OT to a loaded Arizona team.

Pitino's biggest mistake was leaving UK.

Heath
03-22-2007, 04:54 PM
If Thad Matta headed to UK, John Groce would get the nod at Ohio State.

Would Rick Majerus be interested?

Blimpie
03-22-2007, 04:56 PM
I meant 4 overall. He won one, Tubby won the next year(98), I think Pitino would have won that as well. Pitino also lost an OT final to Arizona while he was there. I think 2 additional titles in the last 9 years would not have been a stretch had Pitino stayed.I can think of at least two games in the 1998 tourney run in which Tubby's coaching tactics single-handedly were responsible for UK winning. Those games would not have been won if Pitino was holding the clipboard IMO...

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 04:59 PM
If Thad Matta headed to UK, John Groce would get the nod at Ohio State.

Would Rick Majerus be interested?

You think OSU would hire a guy with no head coaching experience?

Majerus is interested wherever food is served.

Sweetstop
03-22-2007, 05:00 PM
I'm not trying to compare history, tradition, any of that stuff because I think we'll all agree that they're not even close.

What I'm saying is that currently both of those coaches (Matta and Donovan) are running Top 5 programs in the nation. They've built those programs. I guess there could be intrigue there to move to a "history rich" program like UK and try to build that program back up, so I could see that being an argument for them taking the job, but what if they don't experience immediate success? What if it takes 4-5 years and then, they are only considered an "above average" basketball program? The UK fans will be all over them, calling for their heads. Donovan and Matta are both seen as gods in their current situations. If I was a coach, I'd be happy with that (as long as the dollars were close - and looking at that link someone provided, they aren't far off from what Tubby was being paid). I don't know, maybe these guys are more "gamblin' men" than I am, but it's not like Florida and Ohio State are Div III schools or anything.

I agree w/ everything you just said here, RL. I can't imagine Matta or Donovan wanting to leave the top programs they've built to come to a pressure-cooker job like KY's. I think it would be foolish. I guess stranger things have happened though.

:)

Sweetstop
03-22-2007, 05:01 PM
Majerus is interested wherever food is served.


:D

flyer85
03-22-2007, 05:04 PM
I agree w/ everything you just said here, RL. I can't imagine Matta or Donovan wanting to leave the top programs they've built to come to a pressure-cooker job like KY's. I think it would be foolish. I guess stranger things have happened though.

:)if you can recruit and coach it isn't a pressure cooker. If you are the coach at UK you can walk into any recruits house anywhere in the country.

The pressure cooker comes if you are not up to the task. For whatever reason the recruiting at UK has really fallen on some hard times(for their standards) in the last 3-4 years.

WMR
03-22-2007, 05:09 PM
We won't "run anyone off" if they play the caliber basketball the elite programs of the nation expect. It doesn't mean the Final Four every year like moron talking heads suggest. But 25 losses in two years and back to back 8 seeds all the while claiming "I don't see the problem here" ISN'T Kentucky-caliber basketball. I'm sure UNC, Kansas, UCLA, Indiana wouldn't expect any different.


:clap:

Great news and good for Tubby, he needs to go somewhere like Minnesota.

Flyer is spot on.

Sweetstop
03-22-2007, 05:12 PM
Oh, please, there is constant pressure, even if you CAN "recruit and coach".

Recruiting has been brutal lately, I agree.

paintmered
03-22-2007, 05:12 PM
UK is a step up from tOSU in the world of college basketball.

Couldn't that be said of tOSU and Eggsavier as well?

BRM
03-22-2007, 05:14 PM
Couldn't that be said of tOSU and Eggsavier as well?

I think that may have been his point. He jumped from Xavier to Ohio State because it was a step up in prestige. What would stop him from jumping up another notch and going to UK?

BuckeyeRedleg
03-22-2007, 05:14 PM
Donovan and Matta coach at schools was basketball is behind the football programs and it will always be.

And if you are getting paid (check), have top facilites (check), and don't have issues landing top recruiting classes (check) having a program that is not under the microscope with a football program that defelcts much of the attention is a perfect situation for some coaches.

All the positive that comes with being the man at a university also comes with some stresses. Ask Jim Tressel if OSU goes 8-4 this year. Columbus will not be a very cozy place. Tubby knows first hand.

As for UK, it is a top 5 prgram of ALL TIME. I wouldn't say it a top 5 prgram now, but that can change in two years with the right guy. If the money were thwe same and I was Donovon, (like Matta at OSU) I personally would not leave Florida.

My guess is that Kentucky lands Calipari. He's got just the ego to want that job.

WMR
03-22-2007, 05:16 PM
Pat Riley???

BuckeyeRedleg
03-22-2007, 05:17 PM
He's a snake. Never say "no way" when talking about Matta.

Seriously. Is this necessary?

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 05:18 PM
And if you are getting paid (check), have top facilites (check), and don't have issues landing top recruiting classes (check) having a program that is not under the microscope with a football program that defelcts much of the attention is a perfect situation for some coaches.

All the positive that comes with being the man at a university also comes with some stresses. Ask Jim Tressel if OSU goes 8-4 this year. Columbus will not be a very cozy place. Tubby knows first hand.

As for UK, it is a top 5 prgram of ALL TIME. I wouldn't say it a top 5 prgram now, but that can change in two years with the right guy. If the money were thwe same and I was Donovon, (like Matta at OSU) I personally would not leave Florida.

My guess is that Kentucky lands Calipari. He's got just the ego to want that job.


Kentucky will pay more than Ohio State for a hoops coach (see Tubby's $4 million dollar bonus).

It wouldn't surprise me if UK ends up with Coach Cal. However, he's going to ask for a guarantee that anyone he recruits will be admitted to the University (he did when he applied at NC State). I'm not sure UK will go for that.

Blimpie
03-22-2007, 05:18 PM
Pat Riley?

Glory Road, part deaux?

I'm thinking no.

Red Leader
03-22-2007, 05:20 PM
And if you are getting paid (check), have top facilites (check), and don't have issues landing top recruiting classes (check) having a program that is not under the microscope with a football program that defelcts much of the attention is a perfect situation for some coaches.

All the positive that comes with being the man at a university also comes with some stresses. Ask Jim Tressel if OSU goes 8-4 this year. Columbus will not be a very cozy place. Tubby knows first hand.

As for UK, it is a top 5 prgram of ALL TIME. I wouldn't say it a top 5 prgram now, but that can change in two years with the right guy. If the money were thwe same and I was Donovon, (like Matta at OSU) I personally would not leave Florida.

My guess is that Kentucky lands Calipari. He's got just the ego to want that job.



Only basketball threads would find me agreeing with an Ohio St. fan. :laugh:

That whole first paragraph is what I was trying to say before. Why leave an awesome job that has minimal stress, people treat you like a god, and you can still pull national talent at will for a job where people are going to ride you from the minute you step on campus to win a national championship, and YOU actually have to recruit your butt off to turn the program around, and THEN you actually have to coach your butt off to get them there.

Me, I'm naturally kind of lazy. I'd stay at OSU or FLA. History and tradition are nice, but so is being treated like a god instead of getting death threats for the same salary, if not a tad less.

dabvu2498
03-22-2007, 05:25 PM
Only basketball threads would find me agreeing with an Ohio St. fan. :laugh:

That whole first paragraph is what I was trying to say before. Why leave an awesome job that has minimal stress, people treat you like a god, and you can still pull national talent at will for a job where people are going to ride you from the minute you step on campus to win a national championship, and YOU actually have to recruit your butt off to turn the program around, and THEN you actually have to coach your butt off to get them there.

Me, I'm naturally kind of lazy. I'd stay at OSU or FLA. History and tradition are nice, but so is being treated like a god instead of getting death threats for the same salary, if not a tad less.

Some people (usually high-performing coaches) love that kind of pressure and seek it whenever possible.

Seeing if you could rebound (not rebuild) a program that is, historically, a top 5 program, would be a great challenge for a guy that's already taken an above-average program to near greatness.

Guys like Matta and Donovan thrive on that stuff, particularly when they're compensated like they would be at UK.

BuckeyeRedleg
03-22-2007, 06:02 PM
Red Leader, we're Reds fans first here, brother. That's what got us here. :)


There is also something to be said for building (and maintaining) your own dynasty program.

The big five of all time (in no particular order) are:

Kansas
North Carolina
Duke
Kentucky
UCLA

FWIW, I'd put (in no particular order) Indiana, Louisville, and UConn in the next tier, followed by OSU, UC, Arkansas, Arizona, Syracuse, and Oklahoma State in the next tier after that.

As for the big 5, the only current coach that pretty much put that team in that upper-tier (dynasty) category is Coach K. If a coach follows him, they are following a legend. UK, UCLA, and Kansas are all programs where other names were responsible for putting them on the map. Even Roy Williams, for as great of a coach as he is, will always be under Dean Smith's shadow. Anyone at UK will play in Rupp arena under that shadow. UCLA with Wooden. Kansas with the father of basketball - Naismith. Coach K. and Knight at IU pretty much made a name for themselves.

Matta is at a university with decent if not good tradition, but the big name at OSU, Fred Taylor, is no Rupp, Wooden, or Naismith. He has the ability to make OSU his. If he were somehow able to make a run like K has had at Duke, you can bet he will elevate his program into that upper tier and it will be his. As long as the money is the same, unless you played for or grew up in the vicinity of one of these traditional powers, why bother? It's the coaches that lay the foundation or take it to the next level that have the buildings named for them long after they've gone - sometimes, even while they are still coaching.

Matt700wlw
03-22-2007, 06:24 PM
Pat Riley?

Glory Road, part deaux?

I'm thinking no.

Wouldn't shock me if he got a phone call....I can't see it getting any further than that.

WVRed
03-22-2007, 06:26 PM
I realize this will draw pitchforks from the Buckeye fans, but count me in the category who do not want Thad Matta anywhere near Lexington.

For somebody who is coming from the Atlantic 10 to the Big 10, lands a top two recruiting class last year, a top 10 this year, and a loaded class already for 2008, it leads me to think one of two things are happening.

1.Thad Matta is a great recruiter and can sell ice to eskimos.

2.There are some major recruiting violations that haven't been uncovered yet at Columbus.

For a team to get top recruits and to become that good as quick as Ohio St has done it, it always leads to these type of questions. I wouldn't take an oath on it, but I wouldn't be surprised either.

I do have a feeling that a lot of coaches are going to be pulling a Rich Rodriguez and using the Kentucky situation to get big time contract extensions.

WVRed
03-22-2007, 07:00 PM
I wish Tubby Smith well in Minneapolis, and I think his style of coaching will work well in the Big 10. He will have the Gophers competing within the next two to three years and will be a class act same as he was at Kentucky.

A new coach should have three years to make an impact. The first year is getting your feet wet and getting your staff and recruits in. The second year is getting organized and improving. By the time the third year rolls around, you had better be accomplishing something.

What a lot of fans don't realize is that Tubby leaving is going to be better for Kentucky long term than short term. In the short term, we might as well be on probation. If Randolph Morris goes pro, we have a huge hole in the middle to fill at center. Some of our younger players could decide to transfer, and the players we are currently recruiting or have already landed could be re-opened. My guess is Patrick Patterson and Jai Lucas are probably re-thinking their decisions.

Depending on who we get as coach, we could be in for a long haul next season. I just hope people realize that success doesn't come overnight.

My top two are Billy Donovan and John Calipari(although this one concerns me, see Matta), but I will admit that both are going to take a lot of work. Whoever we get, I just hope and pray that it is somebody who has a different style of play and is a proven recruiter.

guttle11
03-22-2007, 07:12 PM
Seriously. Is this necessary?

Absolutely. He is what he is. And I root FOR the Buckeyes.

macro
03-22-2007, 07:24 PM
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned so far in this discussion is the fact that the Athletics Director at UK is Mitch Barnhardt. What are the chances that he will completely screw up this hire?

dsmith421
03-22-2007, 07:38 PM
Seriously. Is this necessary?

Given the way he left Butler and Xavier--especially the latter only 24 hours after denying he was a candidate for the OSU job--I think it's at least a possibility.

WVRed
03-22-2007, 07:39 PM
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned so far in this discussion is the fact that the Athletics Director at UK is Mitch Barnhardt. What are the chances that he will completely screw up this hire?

Mark Few is being mentioned as a candidate, and he has ties to Barnhardt.

I'm not real big on him or Tom Crean. If the two candidates I mentioned above don't fit, im hoping for Travis Ford.

Blimpie
03-22-2007, 07:45 PM
I wish Tubby Smith well in Minneapolis, and I think his style of coaching will work well in the Big 10. He will have the Gophers competing within the next two to three years and will be a class act same as he was at Kentucky.

A new coach should have three years to make an impact. The first year is getting your feet wet and getting your staff and recruits in. The second year is getting organized and improving. By the time the third year rolls around, you had better be accomplishing something.

What a lot of fans don't realize is that Tubby leaving is going to be better for Kentucky long term than short term. In the short term, we might as well be on probation. If Randolph Morris goes pro, we have a huge hole in the middle to fill at center. Some of our younger players could decide to transfer, and the players we are currently recruiting or have already landed could be re-opened. My guess is Patrick Patterson and Jai Lucas are probably re-thinking their decisions.

Depending on who we get as coach, we could be in for a long haul next season. I just hope people realize that success doesn't come overnight.

My top two are Billy Donovan and John Calipari(although this one concerns me, see Matta), but I will admit that both are going to take a lot of work. Whoever we get, I just hope and pray that it is somebody who has a different style of play and is a proven recruiter.My feeling is that this decision has already been made privately and it may have impacted Tubby's decision to pull the trigger on Minnesota.

If the Gophers were courting him as hard as the reports are indicating, then they would have allowed him 2-3 weeks to make a decision on the job. However, if Randolph already showed his hand to Tubby, then why wait on flying the coop if you are getting the keys to the vault handed to you.

By the way, WVRed--I completely agree with you about him being a good fit for the Big 10.

Sham
03-22-2007, 09:05 PM
Couldn't that be said of tOSU and Eggsavier as well?

Eggsavier? Are you 12?

Heath
03-22-2007, 09:25 PM
So, after some reading here, would the loser of tonights Memphis/A&M job be the front runner to get the UK job?

Here's one - Larry Brown. :eek:

George Foster
03-22-2007, 10:14 PM
Fact:
Kentucky can and WILL land ANY coach they want besides Williams and K.

Fact: They will be the top paid coach in college basketball.http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10080776

Great article: A must read!

macro
03-22-2007, 10:56 PM
Eggsavier? Are you 12?

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.

macro
03-22-2007, 11:05 PM
This from ukathletics.com:

Statements Released Regarding Tubby Smith

Statement from Mitch Barnhart, Athletics Director, University of Kentucky

On behalf of the University of Kentucky, I’d like to express sincere appreciation to Tubby Smith, his family and his staff. Tubby has always put a priority on the growth of the student-athlete while representing the Commonwealth with class, and we thank him for that. We wish him the very best at the University of Minnesota. They are getting a solid coach and a great person.

Our focus now is on finding the best possible person to lead the winningest program in college basketball history. President Todd has asked me to lead the search. Our strategy does not involve a search committee. Obviously, I will utilize the opinions of experts in this business. We will also lean on people who understand and are committed to the success of Kentucky basketball.

This search will be exhaustive, comprehensive and focused. Throughout that time, I will keep Dr. Todd informed during the process.

As you know, Coach Smith signed two players last fall. Those young men now have something to deal with in that the coach they signed with is no longer at the university to which they made their commitment. We have to be sensitive to them and stay in constant communication with them and their families.

We also have some scholarships still available for next season and have been pursuing individuals for those scholarships. It is our hope that any young man interested in playing at the University of Kentucky before Coach Smith decided to leave would wait until a new coach is in place before making any final decisions about their college future.

Kentucky holds a special place in college basketball. We have the best facilities and tradition in the sport, but most importantly, UK has a fan base which for decades has committed immense financial and emotional resources into Wildcat basketball. It truly is the Big Blue Nation, and it is what sets the University of Kentucky’s basketball program apart from every other school.

I’m confident we can find the right person to embrace this tradition and lead Kentucky basketball into the future.

Statement by Lee Todd, President, University of Kentucky

I greatly appreciate the service Tubby Smith has given to this university. He is among the best as a coach and has represented this university with class and professionalism. Tubby and Donna will also be greatly missed as members of this community to which they have given so much. I wish him every success, except if they ever play us, in this new chapter in his coaching career.

Mitch Barnhart and I have talked extensively about the process for hiring a new coach of Kentucky basketball. Mitch has a proven track record of bringing quality coaches to Kentucky that have immediate success and positive impact. I have every confidence in his ability to hire the right person for Kentucky and I am excited about moving our program forward.


President Todd has asked me to lead the search. Our strategy does not involve a search committee.

I was afraid of that. Which Barnhardt college roomate needs a job?


Mitch has a proven track record of bringing quality coaches to Kentucky that have immediate success and positive impact.

:lol:

Heath
03-22-2007, 11:16 PM
Sean Sutton's available......

:D

roundboy22
03-23-2007, 12:29 AM
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned so far in this discussion is the fact that the Athletics Director at UK is Mitch Barnhardt. What are the chances that he will completely screw up this hire?

I don't understand all the "will Barnhart screw up this hire" posts. I understand the Brooks situation where he was the 53rd choice or something like that but other than that I think he's been pretty solid. Mickey DeMoss has done great things for the womans program and John Cohen is without a doubt one of the best baseball coaches in the country turning around the baseball program seemingly overnight. Just my opinion.

macro
03-23-2007, 01:11 PM
I don't understand all the "will Barnhart screw up this hire" posts. I understand the Brooks situation where he was the 53rd choice or something like that but other than that I think he's been pretty solid. Mickey DeMoss has done great things for the womans program and John Cohen is without a doubt one of the best baseball coaches in the country turning around the baseball program seemingly overnight. Just my opinion.

Point well-taken. I think we / I often overlook the successes of the "other" sports. It's like Barnhardt's mishandling of the football program overshadows successes he may have with the department as a whole.

jmac
03-23-2007, 02:15 PM
Point well-taken. I think we / I often overlook the successes of the "other" sports. It's like Barnhardt's mishandling of the football program overshadows successes he may have with the department as a whole.

I told a friend yesterday before any of this news broke how our baseball team is doing great,football team went bowling, womens basketball in better shape etc. Everything seems to be moving forward but the basketball program.

Newport Red
03-23-2007, 03:03 PM
I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.

or a Great Gatsby fan.

Newport Red
03-23-2007, 03:05 PM
Sean Sutton's available......

:D

So is Christian Laettner...

Matt700wlw
03-23-2007, 03:15 PM
So is Christian Laettner...

That would irk some people...


I'd frankly get a kick out of it :D

Caseyfan21
03-23-2007, 05:16 PM
Matta already passed up his dream job this past off season, Indiana. If Indiana couldn't convince him to leave OSU I don't think UK will. Thad grew up a "Big 10" guy and that was his dream job. When he was at Xavier he had out clauses in his contract for a few different teams, all of them Big 10 teams.

He also signed a new contract with OSU during the past offseason that stretches through 2014-2015 with the money escalating every year. If OSU were to get to the Final 4 or win a championship, I'm sure he would get another new contract for as much as he wants. Gene Smith will pay him a ton to keep him at OSU. OSU can go dollar for dollar with UK if that were what it would come down to, we have the largest athletic budget in the country.

And to address what will be left if people were to leave next year...a whole lot. The only losses will be Oden, Lewis, and Harris. I have heard (a couple weeks ago) that Conley is planning to stay one more year. Cook is a toss up, I haven't heard one way or another. But our recruiting class next year is another top 10 class with another 7 footer. I'd say that if Oden is the only underclassmen to go, next year's team has the potential to be even better if the incoming 7 footer is as good as advertised.

Red Leader
03-23-2007, 05:18 PM
and then tOSU will take over the WORLD!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:






Sorry, got a little carried away there.

Heath
03-23-2007, 05:38 PM
gO bUCks!!!11!!!

WVRed
03-23-2007, 07:12 PM
Matta already passed up his dream job this past off season, Indiana. If Indiana couldn't convince him to leave OSU I don't think UK will. Thad grew up a "Big 10" guy and that was his dream job. When he was at Xavier he had out clauses in his contract for a few different teams, all of them Big 10 teams.

He also signed a new contract with OSU during the past offseason that stretches through 2014-2015 with the money escalating every year. If OSU were to get to the Final 4 or win a championship, I'm sure he would get another new contract for as much as he wants. Gene Smith will pay him a ton to keep him at OSU. OSU can go dollar for dollar with UK if that were what it would come down to, we have the largest athletic budget in the country.

And to address what will be left if people were to leave next year...a whole lot. The only losses will be Oden, Lewis, and Harris. I have heard (a couple weeks ago) that Conley is planning to stay one more year. Cook is a toss up, I haven't heard one way or another. But our recruiting class next year is another top 10 class with another 7 footer. I'd say that if Oden is the only underclassmen to go, next year's team has the potential to be even better if the incoming 7 footer is as good as advertised.

Kosta Kofous is who you are talking about. He is more of a PF type player who can shoot it from deep.

If Oden stays with Kofous coming in, OSU would be the odds on favorite to win it all next year.

WMR
03-23-2007, 07:32 PM
That would irk some people...


I'd frankly get a kick out of it :D

:rolleyes:

Matt700wlw
03-23-2007, 07:51 PM
:rolleyes:

All in fun, of course.

Blimpie
03-24-2007, 07:02 PM
Heard some interesting stuff today. Those who have read my posts about UK sports know that I don't make a habit of running out conjecture and rumors...nor, do I drop names. What I heard today was confirmed by a pretty reliable "heavy-hitter" UK booster, a major head coach's agent who visits central KY frequently, and a former UK hoops player from several years ago.

Apparently, since around early February, Barnhardt has been utilizing his booster network to put out feelers to other head coaches. Mind you, he still never had any intention of buying out Tubby; however, he felt that the chances were strong enough that Tubby would be leaving on his own accord and decided to do some asking around indirectly through his booster network. Much of this had to do with Barnhardt removing Tubby's personal buyout language from his most recently re-worked contract with UK (2003). This extension basically allowed Tubby to leave UK before his contract was up without having to payback to the University $ 500,000 per year in buyout penalties.

Anyway, Barnhardt's plan all along was to clean house on Tubby's assistant coaching staff (they too were going to receive handsome buyout dollars) and bring in a young, upper-echelon, assistant coach who would also just so happen to be a recruiting monster. This new assistant coach would be placed on the bench and be groomed to succeed Tubby--either when his contract expired, or when he decided to leave, whichever came first.

So, this booster network began making calls both to major college and AAU head coaches to see what their opinions were about who fit the bill for this high level assistant coach. Because he still has PLENTY of friends within the UK booster nation, Rick Pitino was one of the coaches who was consulted on the matter. The discussion and endorsement all kept leading back to the same name: John Pelphrey.

So, this brings us to about one week ago. After Pelphrey was contacted to confirm his interest, Tubby was approached with the idea that was just described. Tubby was extremely gracious when he responded. He was careful to indicate that he had no concerns about the ability of John Pelphrey as an assistant coach. However, he flatly refused to let any of his assistants go. Say what you want about Orlando Smith, but if he says he has your back, the man has your back. The deal was off and Tubby made it clear that there would be no staff changes unless he approved them. Basically, Barnhardt found himself in a mess: To change assistants, he would have also to fire Tubby, spend lots of extra dollars on Tubby's buyout, have no head coach to groom Pelphrey, and suffer terrible ill-will from the rest of the potential pool of head coaching candidates (who all supported Tubby).

Even though Tubby began his dialogue with Minnesota in December, things really started to heat up on his end about this time. Barnhardt and his boosters felt like they could sit back and let things unfold in their favor. Sure enough, they did. Two days before the story broke about Tubby's Minnesota deal, these same boosters were sending around e-mails to some big supporters trying to prepare them for the pending shakeup. Part of this e-mail also tried to quell the local panic by indicating that initial discussions had already begun with Billy Donovan's "people."

It has also been mentioned that Barnhardt intentionally flooded the coach search "pool" to nearly 20 names in order to keep the heat off Donovan during the NCAA tournament. By all accounts, Dononvan is the ONLY choice for head coach by the people in this program who really matter. UK is prepared to offer Donovan a contract that would make him one of the richest coaches in college sports history (of ANY sport, by the way).

Jeremy Foley has the clock ticking in Gainesville right now. He knows what is happening and is rallying the troops (and the Brinks trucks) on his end of the equation. No matter what happens from this point on, Billy Donovan and his family will be extremely fortunate. It is still too early to say whether or not Donovan will take the job, but no other "candidate" will be made an offer until Donovan has had a chance to decide yes or no.

On the recruiting front, both Patterson and Lucas have been "leaked" some of this information. Their families assured one UK booster that if Donovan ended up at UK (especially with Randolph Morris now gone) the school would immediately move to the top of both of their lists.

WMR
03-24-2007, 07:10 PM
Wow, good stuff Blimpie. It's nerve-wracking.

Javy Pornstache
03-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Thanks a lot for that post, Blimpie. Matches a lot of what I've been hearing as well. The job is Donovan's to turn down. Florida is going to want to keep him, sure; but they will not have the money to match UK at the end and even if they did, they will have another problem - Urban Meyer in turn wanting a huge raise. Again, I won't say it's an absolute lock, but I think it's quite likely Billy D is in Lexington.

Joseph
03-24-2007, 08:49 PM
I'm just worried that with this search being the legacy of Barnhardt that he will make a mistake in trying to reach for a Matta clone who makes the jump from Mid Major to the big time with a big splash. Creen and others frankly scare me as options.

WVRed
03-24-2007, 09:17 PM
I'm just worried that with this search being the legacy of Barnhardt that he will make a mistake in trying to reach for a Matta clone who makes the jump from Mid Major to the big time with a big splash. Creen and others frankly scare me as options.

I'm hoping that what Blimpie and others are reporting turns out to be true, but Barnhardt's track record thus far has been impressive. UK is looking toward the most promising season in football with Rich Brooks, believe it or not. Mickie DeMoss has been a great hire for the girls team as well. Not sure who the coach is for the Bat Cats, but they were in the playoffs last year.

Regardless, this will be the decision that defines Barnhardt's legacy at Kentucky.

jmac
03-24-2007, 09:24 PM
I'm just worried that with this search being the legacy of Barnhardt that he will make a mistake in trying to reach for a Matta clone who makes the jump from Mid Major to the big time with a big splash. Creen and others frankly scare me as options.

That's my thoughts....there are only a few that can come in and make a quick "pitino like" splash and Billy D is one of them.
Frankly I hope they (Fla) lose next game so they can get show on road and get a yes or no answer.
Creen doesnt excite me as some of the others being thrown around by Andy Katz. Even Izzo doesnt.
I'd take Denny Crum before any of those guys.....hey.......

Blimpie
03-25-2007, 10:55 AM
I'm hoping that what Blimpie and others are reporting turns out to be true, but Barnhardt's track record thus far has been impressive. UK is looking toward the most promising season in football with Rich Brooks, believe it or not. Mickie DeMoss has been a great hire for the girls team as well. Not sure who the coach is for the Bat Cats, but they were in the playoffs last year.

Regardless, this will be the decision that defines Barnhardt's legacy at Kentucky.That would be John Cohen, who may end up being the best hire of the bunch. He took a UK baseball team that was dead last in the conference in 2005 and won the SEC with them last year.

This year, they also got off to their best start in team history. Cohen comes to UK via the Florida baseball program and has lots of recruiting inroads in the Sunshine State.

The baseball team will be great as long as Cohen is in charge.

WVRed
03-25-2007, 11:06 AM
Interesting article.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070325/COLUMNISTS0306/703250334/1065/SPORTS

cincy jacket
03-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Interesting article.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070325/COLUMNISTS0306/703250334/1065/SPORTS

Was a nice article. One thing I still don't get is the double talk in the media. In one breath the talking heads will say that UK has not slipped and that Tubby was doing an excellent job and that the fans should be happy with the terrific job he was doing. Then right after that they would say that there is no way Donnovan would leave Florida for UK because that would be a step down. If your saying that then you are saying UK had slipped down under Tubby because UK used to be above Florida.

I agree that the list starts with Billy but one name you haven't heard much about who would do wonders in Lexington I think is Bruce Pearl. He plays a style that would be accepted immediately, he is very outgoing and passsionate about the game and he wears his emotions on his sleeve on the sideline which is far different than Tubby (not to say either is better but normaly when hiring a new coach he is the complete opposite of the old). He has also been quoted recently as saying the UK job was the best in the country.