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Tom Servo
03-23-2007, 07:47 PM
Rockies released RHP Danny Graves.

Graves gave up six earned runs and had a 0/7 K/BB ratio in four innings this spring.

-rotoworld

Could this be the end of the line for our all-time saves leader?

Matt700wlw
03-23-2007, 07:51 PM
Wow...when Graves career tanked...it tanked.

MrCinatit
03-23-2007, 07:52 PM
That's a shame.
But, I would be surprised if no other team picked him up - there seems to be a market for dead-armed relievers. My money is on him going to KC, Tampa Bay or Washington.

fearofpopvol1
03-23-2007, 07:52 PM
Well, you know...the Reds don't have a current REAL closer...

Matt700wlw
03-23-2007, 07:54 PM
Well, you know...the Reds don't have a current REAL closer...

And picking up Danny Graves would leave them in the same situation

KronoRed
03-23-2007, 07:56 PM
Lets go get him.

Highlifeman21
03-23-2007, 07:59 PM
How long until he signs with Washington?

GOREDSGO32
03-23-2007, 08:08 PM
Sign him. Offer a 3 year $15 mil deal.

RedsBaron
03-23-2007, 08:14 PM
No Ks and 7 walks in four innings? Sounds as if he is in mid-season form.;)

jojo
03-23-2007, 08:22 PM
This is kind of a shocker...Coors field seemed like it would be a good fit for him....

RFS62
03-23-2007, 08:54 PM
How long until he signs with Washington?


They'll probably make a starter out of him.

RedFanAlways1966
03-23-2007, 10:08 PM
Danny Graves was successful in 15 of his last 17 save attempts as a REDS player before he was DFA'd on May 22, 2005. Weathers took over after Graves got DFA'd and was 15 of 19 in 2005.

In 2006 as a team the REDS had 34 saves and 21 blown saves. Weathers was 12 of 18. Guardardo was 8 of 10. Coffey was 7 of 11.

In closing... since Graves had 41 saves in 2004 the REDS have needed a real closer. I know, I know... tell ya something you don't know.

harangatang
03-23-2007, 10:14 PM
I didn't know they signed him.

Chip R
03-24-2007, 08:55 AM
Well, you know...the Reds don't have a current REAL closer...


He has closed in the past. That seems to be an important qualification a far as the Reds are concerned.

Newman4
03-24-2007, 08:57 AM
I wonder if he got booed :rolleyes:

RANDY IN INDY
03-24-2007, 10:07 AM
I wonder if he got booed :rolleyes:

I don't know, but I bet he's feeling pretty small right now. With that gut he is toting around, and all the extra time he has, he'd fit right in with some of those folks he was making
fun of a few years back. He could sit on the porch and enjoy a few cold ones with the best of them.

Big Klu
03-24-2007, 11:55 AM
I wonder if he got booed :rolleyes:

He has now! :D

BOOOOOOOOOO DANNY GRAVES!!!!!! :evil:

Redsland
03-24-2007, 12:24 PM
Because I don't have anything nice to say...

Unassisted
03-24-2007, 12:33 PM
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3222/crystalballos1.gif

Next stop: Northern League

Red Daddy
03-24-2007, 01:44 PM
Graves can thank Boone for destroying his arm. Graves lost a lot of velocity after that disasterous starting experiment. Makes me feel a little bad for him.

kxblue
03-24-2007, 03:54 PM
Graves can thank Boone for destroying his arm. Graves lost a lot of velocity after that disasterous starting experiment. Makes me feel a little bad for him.

Well thats not all that fair. It's not like Graves was treating his body like a temple.

Always Red
03-24-2007, 04:18 PM
Graves can thank Boone for destroying his arm. Graves lost a lot of velocity after that disasterous starting experiment. Makes me feel a little bad for him.

Graves wanted the SP job, and he was already starting to slip as a reliever by then, with lots of blown saves to go along with the impressive save totals. He parlayed four good starts at the end of 2002 into a 3 year deal for SP money; from Bowden. He was terrible as a SP in 2003, went back to being a closer in 2004 and did relatively well, and the wheels fell off in 2005.

Pitchers get hurt, pitchers lose their stuff, especially sinkerballers like Graves, when you can't locate it in the strike zone and the big league hitters lay off.

I would feel bad for Danny, because I generally liked him while he was here, until he handled his last days here like an ass, with a complete lack of class and dignity. Baseball is a humbling game, especially at the end of your career, even for the great ones like Willie Mays, and Ken Griffey, Jr.

Good luck to Danny in his future endeavors.

Strikes Out Looking
03-24-2007, 05:24 PM
I think he was tipping his pitches in ST, and he'll have that problem fixed at his next stop--Japan.

RFS62
03-24-2007, 08:49 PM
I think he was tipping his pitches in ST, and he'll have that problem fixed at his next stop--Japan.


I don't know... I heard he was going back to his old gig.


http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/parks/attractionDetail?id=ItsASmallWorldAttractionPage&bhcp=1

WMR
03-24-2007, 08:57 PM
NOBODY scores on Danny Graves!!!

Bigredfan#1
03-24-2007, 09:01 PM
Graves can thank Boone for destroying his arm. Graves lost a lot of velocity after that disasterous starting experiment. Makes me feel a little bad for him.

I fully agree, he was successful as closer until they put him in the rotation, and he has never been close to that

Dracodave
03-24-2007, 09:11 PM
I fully agree, he was successful as closer until they put him in the rotation, and he has never been close to that


2001 27 CIN NL 6 5 66 0 0 0 54 32 80.3 83 41 37 7 18 49 4 2 337 6 1 4.15 4.32 104 1.257


That was the year before he went into spot starting/closing.

4.15 era.
42 walks to 53 strike outs.
80.3 innings pitched with 83 hits.

My closer can not give up more hits per innings and walk a ton...recipe for disaster.

Redsland
03-25-2007, 12:49 AM
I don't know... I heard he was going back to his old gig.


http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/parks/attractionDetail?id=ItsASmallWorldAttractionPage&bhcp=1

:laugh:

Highlifeman21
03-25-2007, 11:45 AM
They'll probably make a starter out of him.

That was the beginning of the end for Mr. Graves in Cincinnati.

He never was the same after that experiment as a starter.

Dunner44
03-25-2007, 11:50 AM
That was the beginning of the end for Mr. Graves in Cincinnati.

He never was the same after that experiment as a starter.

You know, thats the conventional wisdom, but he gave up 83 hits in just over 80 innings the year before he became a starter and had an ERA in the 4s. Sure, starting taxed his arm a little, but could some of his decline just be natural? Danny was a 6 foot right hander, which usually means a short career. Baseball is not kind to short righties. Perhaps we simply associate a natural decilne with the corresponding move to SP. Correlation does not denote causality my friends.

However, its equally as likely that starting screwed Danny good. I just want to keep other options open.

Redsland
03-25-2007, 12:09 PM
Danny was a 6 foot right hander...
Maybe in heels.

:)

Dracodave
03-25-2007, 01:42 PM
That was the beginning of the end for Mr. Graves in Cincinnati.

He never was the same after that experiment as a starter.




2001 27 CIN NL 6 5 66 0 0 0 54 32 80.3 83 41 37 7 18 49 4 2 337 6 1 4.15 4.32 104 1.257

That was the year before he went into spot starting/closing.

4.15 era.
42 walks to 53 strike outs.
80.3 innings pitched with 83 hits.

My closer can not give up more hits per innings and walk a ton...recipe for disaster.

That was my previous agruement to that same train of thought.

Graves sucked before he was a starter. Problem is, everyone blames extra work load on his arm and not the fact that he flat out blew.

He gave up too many hits and his abnormal years


1998 24 CIN NL 2 1 62 0 0 0 35 8 81.3 76 31 30 6 28 44 2 4 340 4 0 3.32 4.32 130 1.279


1999 25 CIN NL 8 7 75 0 0 0 56 27 111.0 90 42 38 10 49 69 2 3 454 4 0 3.08 4.52 147 1.252


2000 26 CIN NL 10 5 66 0 0 0 57 30 91.3 81 31 26 8 42 53 3 3 388 7 1 2.56 4.92 192 1.347 AS



He was still giving up crazy amounts of hits for a closer. He gave up 247 hits in 283.6 innings. 119 walks to 166 strike outs. Even in his "abnormally good" years he sucked as a pitcher.



H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
8.41 0.66 3.10 4.87 1.28
7.30 0.81 3.97 5.59 1.25
7.98 0.79 4.14 5.22 1.35

KronoRed
03-25-2007, 01:44 PM
Maybe in heels.

:)

....bad..image..alert...

Always Red
03-25-2007, 02:38 PM
Graves sucked before he was a starter. Problem is, everyone blames extra work load on his arm and not the fact that he flat out blew.




True, he did suck before he became a starter; your numbers show that (to anyone who will look at them).

And then he was even worse as a starter (big surprise there, eh?) and then he was the one, after the fact, who blamed it on his becoming a starter.

But Danny didn't mind signing the 3 year contract for starter $, did he? You can't have it both ways. You get paid to pitch, and the bottom line is that Danny Graves couldn't do it, either as a starter or as a reliever.

He never could just come out and say he wasn't very good; he just wanted to blame someone else. :nono:

At least Majewski had enough guts to tell Krivsky this spring to go ahead and start him out in AAA:
"I told (general manager Wayne Krivsky) when I got here that there's no need to keep me up here if I'm getting my butt kicked like last year."

Dracodave
03-25-2007, 02:50 PM
Exactly, it started long before he was a starter..

Saves can come for any player. Players get lucky, have good years amd others can do it by trade.

Big Klu
03-25-2007, 05:36 PM
True, he did suck before he became a starter; your numbers show that (to anyone who will look at them).

And then he was even worse as a starter (big surprise there, eh?) and then he was the one, after the fact, who blamed it on his becoming a starter.

But Danny didn't mind signing the 3 year contract for starter $, did he? You can't have it both ways. You get paid to pitch, and the bottom line is that Danny Graves couldn't do it, either as a starter or as a reliever.

He never could just come out and say he wasn't very good; he just wanted to blame someone else. :nono:

He was also the one who refused to pitch out of the windup as a starter. As you said, he was willing to take the starter dollars, but he didn't want to commit to the starting role (which is how I interpret refusing to pitch out of the windup), and he was very quick to blame the starting "experiment" for his troubles.

BOOOOOOOOO DANNY GRAVES!!!!!!!!!

CySeymour
03-26-2007, 10:55 AM
Actually, if my memory serves me at all, didn't they announce he would become a starter THEN signed him to an extension? If he was against it at all, he should have declined the extention and gone free agent.

Newman4
03-26-2007, 02:51 PM
Well thats not all that fair. It's not like Graves was treating his body like a temple.

http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/January2006/17graves.jpg


:evil:

MrCinatit
03-26-2007, 07:03 PM
http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/January2006/17graves.jpg


:evil:

That is one ugly woman in the foreground.