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Eric_Davis
03-24-2007, 05:02 PM
He's been so efficient with his pitches this Spring.

Anyone know how many he threw today to get through that scoreless inning?

He's so efficient, he seems like he could pitch over 100 innings in relief this year....repeatedly go 2 innings at a time.

flyer85
03-24-2007, 05:08 PM
He isn't even going to make the roster. Said all along he is likely to pitch better than Saarloos.

Barbarossa
03-24-2007, 05:30 PM
Well Jeff Brantley sure likes him. After Santos threw four four straight strikes, when he came in, Brantley said something to the effect. "This is the kind'a guy you need to come in out of the pen, he throws strikes." Be a shame if he doesn't make the club. But with so many guys looking good right now someone gotta go to Louisville. The Bats should have a great season. From the way the announcers talked they seem to think Hermanson will be the closer.:beerme:

icehole3
03-24-2007, 05:33 PM
He didnt seem to throw any harder than Hermanson, so I guess theyll go by track record. Im wondering what theyll do with Burton he's got the best arm.

Eric_Davis
03-24-2007, 05:44 PM
Well Jeff Brantley sure likes him. After Santos threw four four straight strikes, when he came in, Brantley said something to the effect. "This is the kind'a guy you need to come in out of the pen, he throws strikes." Be a shame if he doesn't make the club. But with so many guys looking good right now someone gotta go to Louisville. The Bats should have a great season. From the way the announcers talked they seem to think Hermanson will be the closer.:beerme:

Nice to hear Brantley confirm what I was thinking about his efficiency with pitches. A guy that throws this well will force his way onto the club.

This is a different regime. Guys have to earn their playing time. Aurilia was not resigned. Womack was dropped like a hot potato after a month. I doubt if Conine will be given a long rope himself. Junior's moving to RightField. Even Dunn will be dropped in the batting order if he struggles like he did last year.

Just saw it at Rotoworld....add Crosby to the list of players who have been dropped because they didn't earn their spot.

I love what's happening.

PuffyPig
03-24-2007, 06:15 PM
He's been so efficient with his pitches this Spring.

Anyone know how many he threw today to get through that scoreless inning?

He's so efficient, he seems like he could pitch over 100 innings in relief this year....repeatedly go 2 innings at a time.

Yes, based on a few spring training innings, Santos can pitch multiple innings many times this year, throwing about 10 pitches per inning.:eek:

Of course, if he ever reverts back to the form he has shown repeatedly in the majors and minors, none of this will come to pass.

Best to send him down and prove he's a better pitcher now than he ever has been.

Not saying he can't be, as sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle.

But colour me skeptical

mth123
03-24-2007, 06:18 PM
Yes, based on a few spring training innings, Santos can pitch multiple innings many times this year, throwing about 10 pitches per inning.:eek:

Of course, if he ever reverts back to the form he has shown repeatedly in the majors and minors, none of this will come to pass.

Best to send him down and prove he's a better pitcher now than he ever has been.

Not saying he can't be, as sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle.

But colour me skeptical

Agreed at this point, but I like him better than or as well as any pitcher in the rotation except Harang, Arroyo, Belisle or Ramirez.

PuffyPig
03-24-2007, 06:18 PM
Nice to hear Brantley confirm what I was thinking about his efficiency with pitches.


BTW, "efficiency with pitches" is just another way of saying "pitch to contact".

Everytime a pitcher alows a batter to hit the ball fairly, he's giving him a 30% chance of getting a hit, and that's not even counting home runs.

Falls City Beer
03-24-2007, 06:23 PM
He isn't even going to make the roster. Said all along he is likely to pitch better than Saarloos.

If the Reds are going with their current 3-4-5 pitching configuration, they're going to need both Saarloos and Santos to make the roster to pick up the slack in the fourth inning on a regular basis.

jojo
03-24-2007, 06:48 PM
BTW, "efficiency with pitches" is just another way of saying "pitch to contact".

Everytime a pitcher alows a batter to hit the ball fairly, he's giving him a 30% chance of getting a hit, and that's not even counting home runs.

Yes.....Santos is a 30 yo drifter whose having a good spring.... yaaaaaaa.....

Dracodave
03-24-2007, 07:43 PM
Are we all talking about the same Santos that has pitched for both the Brewers and Pirates...horribly?

He's SUCKED in the majors. Unless at 30 he's magically put it all together this line


SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
2001 Det 33 7 0 0 76.1 62 33 28 9 49 52 2 2 0 2 -- 3.30
2002 Col 24 2 0 0 26.0 41 30 30 3 22 25 0 4 0 1 -- 10.39
2003 Tex 8 4 0 0 25.2 29 21 20 5 16 15 0 2 0 0 -- 7.01
2004 Mil 31 28 0 0 154.0 169 95 85 18 57 115 11 12 0 0 -- 4.97
2005 Mil 29 24 1 0 141.2 153 87 72 20 60 89 4 13 0 0 -- 4.57
2006 Pit 25 19 0 0 115.1 150 80 73 16 42 81 5 9 0 0 -- 5.70
Total -- 150 84 1 0 539.0 604 346 308 71 246 377 22 42 0 3 -- 5.14


Is what we are looking at.

Eric_Davis
03-24-2007, 08:39 PM
BTW, "efficiency with pitches" is just another way of saying "pitch to contact".

Everytime a pitcher alows a batter to hit the ball fairly, he's giving him a 30% chance of getting a hit, and that's not even counting home runs.


the "average" pitcher, maybe, but every pitcher must fall somewhere differently along the scale depending upon how they pitch.

So, what's the scale? 22% to 50%?

Eric_Davis
03-24-2007, 08:41 PM
Are we all talking about the same Santos that has pitched for both the Brewers and Pirates...horribly?

He's SUCKED in the majors. Unless at 30 he's magically put it all together this line


SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
2001 Det 33 7 0 0 76.1 62 33 28 9 49 52 2 2 0 2 -- 3.30
2002 Col 24 2 0 0 26.0 41 30 30 3 22 25 0 4 0 1 -- 10.39
2003 Tex 8 4 0 0 25.2 29 21 20 5 16 15 0 2 0 0 -- 7.01
2004 Mil 31 28 0 0 154.0 169 95 85 18 57 115 11 12 0 0 -- 4.97
2005 Mil 29 24 1 0 141.2 153 87 72 20 60 89 4 13 0 0 -- 4.57
2006 Pit 25 19 0 0 115.1 150 80 73 16 42 81 5 9 0 0 -- 5.70
Total -- 150 84 1 0 539.0 604 346 308 71 246 377 22 42 0 3 -- 5.14


Is what we are looking at.

Well, those are terrible numbers. But, relievers can have a good year for one year even if they've had bad ones previously.

jojo
03-24-2007, 08:52 PM
Well, those are terrible numbers. But, relievers can have a good year for one year even if they've had bad ones previously.

Right, but you only have so many spots for the staff so you have to make some important personel decisions....given this, what do you weight more heavily.... 11 innings in spring training against a mix of major leagers of varying skills and minor leaguers or 6 years of history that suggests he can't get righties out, doesn't have the stamina to be a starter and struggles from the stretch. Add to that the consensus projections of some of the best projection tools available which aren't so hot on the guy....