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savafan
03-25-2007, 04:00 AM
This question is twofold. You're the manager, and your team has just managed to win game six of the world series to force a deciding game seven. If you had the choice of any pitcher currently in the major leagues at their current performance level, which pitcher would you want on the hill for your team?

If you had the choice of any pitcher in MLB history to start your game seven for you, which pitcher would you want going, and at what point of their career would you like to have them?

HumnHilghtFreel
03-25-2007, 04:19 AM
This is a pretty tough call. I'd have to go with John Smoltz of the 90's. He was there pretty much every year and consistently performed well.

As far as with a guy currently on the top of his game, I'd probably pick Johan Santana. He's just plain filthy and I'd be confident in him going out there and getting me outs.

mth123
03-25-2007, 07:15 AM
Johan Santana. It isn't really close.

RedsBaron
03-25-2007, 07:26 AM
Among active pitchers, I would go with Johan Santana.
Any pitcher in major league history: Sandy Koufax, 1963-66. How great was Koufax? In the 1965 World Series, after shuting out the Twins in game five, Koufax came bacl in game seven on only two days rest and threw another shutout. In 1963 and 1964 combined, given three runs to work with, Koufax was 9-0; given just two runs to work with, he was 6-3; and given only one run to work with, he was 3-1---this was a pitcher's era, but nobody else pitched liked that at the time. His World Series ERA was 0.95. On Sept. 9, 1965, his Dodgers desperately needing a win in the NL pennant race, LA was only able to provide Koufax with one hit, a Lou Johnson HR--no matter, as Koufax responded with a perfect game and LA won, 1-0.

Degenerate39
03-25-2007, 07:45 AM
Santana would be my choice also

blumj
03-25-2007, 08:00 AM
Current level, Santana. All time, Pedro '99-'00.

justincredible
03-25-2007, 10:57 AM
Currently it would have to be Santana. All-time I would probably go with Clemens circa 1984-2006.

TheWalls
03-25-2007, 11:24 AM
Can't argue with Santana.

Post 1960 short list: Gibson, Koufax, Drysdale, Seaver, Clemens, Pedro

Additional question: Who would you want to close it?
Current: Detroit's pen collectively?
All Time: Rivera

Dunner44
03-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Rijo in 1990 form. Sure there were better pitchers, but I'm a sucker for the hometown guy.

Highlifeman21
03-25-2007, 11:36 AM
Walter Johnson

Falls City Beer
03-25-2007, 11:40 AM
Jose Contreras

KoryMac5
03-25-2007, 11:40 AM
Walter Johnson

I was going to say Johnson too, anyone who can throw 95 to 100mph when others were only throwing 85mph in that era is dominating. I do think Satchel Paige is the man for this honor I just think he had more pitches and I loved his flare for the game the crowd would be electric.

Todays pitchers, I go with Clemens he still throws the heat and that splitter is unstoppable

Cyclone792
03-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Walter Johnson, 1913

vaticanplum
03-25-2007, 01:19 PM
Jose Contreras

Good one.

I'd go with Roy Oswalt. He blew me away against St. Louis in 2005...something about him just says to me that he's going to be a huge postseason pitcher given the chance. Great stuff and quietly tenacious. I absolutely adore Roy Oswalt, apart from his Reds-killing. If Houston starts to tank over the next couple of years -- I'm still afraid of them, but they're not the best organization -- I hope he ends up someplace where he gets many cracks at the postseason.

Chip R
03-25-2007, 01:34 PM
Now, I'd say Santana.

All time, Gibson in 1968.

11larkin11
03-25-2007, 01:39 PM
Johan Santana

Satchel Paige

Dracodave
03-25-2007, 01:50 PM
I'm gonna spice this up after offering my choices.

Santana and Clemens.

Now, who do I want the other team to start? Jimmy Haynes, Paul Wilson or Jose Lima. :laugh: :laugh:

Make it that much easier on me.;)

HumnHilghtFreel
03-25-2007, 02:00 PM
Now, who do I want the other team to start? Jimmy Haynes, Paul Wilson or Jose Lima. :laugh: :laugh:

Make it that much easier on me.;)

No love for Eric Milton? :D

RFS62
03-25-2007, 02:07 PM
Among active pitchers, I would go with Johan Santana.
Any pitcher in major league history: Sandy Koufax, 1963-66. How great was Koufax? In the 1965 World Series, after shuting out the Twins in game five, Koufax came bacl in game seven on only two days rest and threw another shutout. In 1963 and 1964 combined, given three runs to work with, Koufax was 9-0; given just two runs to work with, he was 6-3; and given only one run to work with, he was 3-1---this was a pitcher's era, but nobody else pitched liked that at the time. His World Series ERA was 0.95. On Sept. 9, 1965, his Dodgers desperately needing a win in the NL pennant race, LA was only able to provide Koufax with one hit, a Lou Johnson HR--no matter, as Koufax responded with a perfect game and LA won, 1-0.



As usual, I'm in total agreement with RedsBaron

:beerme:

George Anderson
03-25-2007, 02:16 PM
Among active pitchers, I would go with Johan Santana.
Any pitcher in major league history: Sandy Koufax, 1963-66. How great was Koufax? In the 1965 World Series, after shuting out the Twins in game five, Koufax came bacl in game seven on only two days rest and threw another shutout. In 1963 and 1964 combined, given three runs to work with, Koufax was 9-0; given just two runs to work with, he was 6-3; and given only one run to work with, he was 3-1---this was a pitcher's era, but nobody else pitched liked that at the time. His World Series ERA was 0.95. On Sept. 9, 1965, his Dodgers desperately needing a win in the NL pennant race, LA was only able to provide Koufax with one hit, a Lou Johnson HR--no matter, as Koufax responded with a perfect game and LA won, 1-0.

I agree with your Santana and Koufax pick also.

The greatest game seven performance in recent history anyway had to be Jack Morris in the 91' Series. That was a true masterpiece!!!

Dracodave
03-25-2007, 02:22 PM
No love for Eric Milton? :D

Mitlon has random quality starts...He's too unpredictable lmao...:laugh: :laugh:

Bigredfan#1
03-25-2007, 02:24 PM
Active
1. Santana
2. Zambrano
3. Oswalt
4. Carpenter
5. Pedro ( he is still a gamer)

ALL TIME (modern day)
1. Koufax
2. Gibson
3. Pedro
4. R. Johnson
5. Seaver

Names of note that were left out
Maddux ( hard to leave him out)
Mussina
Schilling
Smoltz
Petitte ( one of the truly dominent play off pithcers)
Morris


Now it is the bottom of the 9th and the 7th game of the WS who do you want coming in for current time and ability and then for those of all all time ( at least modern day.

1) Nathan
2) F Rodriguez
3) Wagner
4) BJ Ryan
5) Smolz

ALL TIME MODERN DAY
1) Hoffman
2) Sutter
3) Rivera
4) Dibble
5) Gossage

savafan
03-25-2007, 05:55 PM
Now it is the bottom of the 9th and the 7th game of the WS who do you want coming in for current time and ability and then for those of all all time ( at least modern day.


ALL TIME MODERN DAY
1) Hoffman
2) Sutter
3) Rivera
4) Dibble
5) Gossage

I'd have to say Eckersley.

dougdirt
03-25-2007, 05:56 PM
Pedro Martinez from 99 or 2000. No one was even close to how good he was then.... in the history of baseball. He was so much better than his peers it wasn't funny.

IowaRed
03-25-2007, 09:29 PM
Koufax, Gibson, or Johnson

vaticanplum
03-25-2007, 10:20 PM
Well, if everybody's giving the historical nod to Johnson, don't we at least have to throw in Pete Alexander as "big game pitcher" too?

Sean_CaseyRules
03-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Randy Johnson in the late 90's

harangatang
03-25-2007, 10:50 PM
No in house options of Harang or Arroyo? C'mon is this really a Reds board?

Hap
03-25-2007, 11:22 PM
current -- Brandon Webb

all-time -- Bob Gibson (see 1964[win], 1967[win], 1968[was only a loss because Curt Flood misjudged a fly ball])

savafan
03-25-2007, 11:25 PM
Randy Johnson in the late 90's

I'm inclined to agree with you. This is my choice, I just didn't want to be the first to say it.

Jpup
03-26-2007, 05:27 AM
Andy Pettitte in his prime.

RedsBaron
03-26-2007, 05:53 AM
I realize that very good arguments can be made that, in terms of peak value, Pedro Martinez was the greatest pitcher ever, and in terms of both peak and career value, Roger Clemens was the greatest pitcher ever. I also believe that the quality of play may have somewhat improved over the decades, and I also know that pitching conditions are tougher now than they were in the 1910s or 1960s.
I guess that the primary reason that I do not pick either Pedro or the Rocket as the guy I want to start game seven is my memory of pitchers both great, such as Koufax and Gibson, and pitchers who were merely good, such as Lolich and Blass, taking the ball in game seven of a World Series in the 1960s and 1970s (or Jack Morris in 1991) and not giving it up until the championship was won. If all you need is seven innings, and you then have a bullpen to turn things over to, Pedro is the guy. If Clemens has his emotions and demons in check, he may be the guy.
Neither Martinez nor Clemens have any apologies to make for their post-season records. Martinez is 6-2 with a 3.40 ERA; in 79.3 innings he has surrenderd 63 hits, 26 walks, and has 80 Ks. Clemens has a post-season mark of 12-8 with a 3.66 ERA; in 196.7 innings he has given up 169 hits and 68 walks, while fanning 172.
Good as they have been, neither Martinez nor Clemens has an ERA in the post-season as good as their career regular season marks, while Koufax (0.95) and Gibson (1.89) had better ERAs in the post-season. Koufax completed 4 of 7 post-season starts, and Gibson completed 8 of 9 post-season starts. Between them Clemens (1) and Martinez have one complete game in the post-season.
Martinez and Clemens have been great and will be first ballot Hall of Famers, and I expect someone here to explain at length how they were actually much greater, given their era, than Koufax or Gibson. Maybe that "someone" will be right.
However, when I think of a game seven starter, I keep thinking of Clemens's early post-season failures and his utterly weird performance in the 1990 ALCS, cursing at the home plate umpire as if he wanted to be tossed (he was). It seemed as if Clemens could not control and harness his emotions and energy. I keep thinking of Pedro in the 2003 ALCS championship game, so dominant for seven innings, and so out of gas after that and unable to bring the title home. Maybe under the conditions of the game as it was played in the 1960s Martinez and Clemens would've turned in dominant complete game efforts in a game seven, but I know that Koufax and Gibson did so; for that reason, my heart tells me to hand the ball to Koufax or Gibson, not Clemens or Martinez, if I have a game seven that I must win.

bucksfan2
03-26-2007, 11:28 AM
If I had to pick a pitcher right now I would probably pick Santana. If I could pick someone to perform as they did in a world series it would probably what Beckett did the the yankees in the series a few years ago. The guy was completly nasty on short rest in a game that the Marlins more than likely had to win in order to win the seires. Jack Morris had an ok series as well but I was pretty young when that happened.

CySeymour
03-26-2007, 12:11 PM
Rick Vaughn!

texasdave
03-26-2007, 12:11 PM
To start game seven: Bob Gibson-1968
To close out game seven: Eric Gagne-2003

Johnny Footstool
03-26-2007, 12:39 PM
No love for Curt Schilling? Even before the bloody sock, he had been huge in the post season.

9 Postseason Ser 8-2 2.06 109.3IP 22BB 104K