3-25 Reds vs Blue Jays - Drew Stubbs starting in CF

[OnBaseMachine]

SARASOTA, Fla. -- Here's today's lineup for the Redlegs in Dunedin:

15 Dewayne Wise .................RF
33 Josh Hamilton ...................LF
12 Edwin Encarnacion .......... 3B
44 Adam Dunn ......................DH
21 Scott Hatteberg ................ 1B
17 Javier Valentin .................... C
46 Mark Bellhorn ................... 2B
71 Paul Janish ......................SS
85 Drew Stubbs ....................CF
31 Matt Belisle ................... RHP

[Joseph]

Hello Drew Stubbs.

[redsfan30]

I would imagine today will be the last "Sunday special" we'll see up until the split-squad games on Saturday.

[DannyB]

I would imagine today will be the last "Sunday special" we'll see up until the split-squad games on Saturday.

:jump: :jump:

Uhhuh......

[cincy09]

Hope Belisle can build off of Arroyo's start and end the speculation about the fifth starter position!

[Matt700wlw]

Drew Stubbs....interesting.

I wonder if he'll make the opening day roster? :p:

[RBA]

Tonight's? Is the game on tonight or is it on in the daytime? :confused:

[Matt700wlw]

First pitch in about 15-20 minutes

[redsfan30]

Tonight's? Is the game on tonight or is it on in the daytime? :confused:

1:05.

[Matt700wlw]

Wise is plunked, and takes first base.

The Natural is up.

[Tommyjohn25]

Wise is plunked, and takes first base.

The Natural is up.

Soooo....what happened?? :confused: :cool:

[TC81190]

Goodbye, Mr. Jr.

[TC81190]

Also, is the game on TV anywhere, I want to see Stubbs.

[reds44]

Goodbye, Mr. Jr.

:confused:

[Tommyjohn25]

Goodbye, Mr. Jr.


Home run Jr? Or did he get hurt or something? Goodbye Mr Jr. can be interpreted either way!!

[OnBaseMachine]

Hamilton, EE, and Dunn made outs via the flyout and groundout.

[Patrick Bateman]

According to yahoo, the Jays are up 1-0, end of the half inning.

No idea how though.

[11larkin11]

Reds are down 1-0. Clayton single, SB, scored on single.

[reds44]

Reds are down 1-0. Clayton single, SB, scored on single.
Royce Clayton strikes back.

[11larkin11]

Livingston pitching tommorow instead of Milton. Against the Boston "A" Team. Man would I like to see him throw awesome and take the Lefty spot in the Rotation. I would much rather see him in there no matter how he does, becasue he's a cheap youngster and Milton is a costly old guy.

[reds44]

Livingston pitching tommorow instead of Milton. Against the Boston "A" Team. Man would I like to see him throw awesome and take the Lefty spot in the Rotation.
Don't count on it.

[11larkin11]

I know its not gonna happen, but I can dream cant I?

[Tommyjohn25]

Goodbye, Mr. Jr.

Still looking for some clarification for this post. Since the Reds are losing I'm assuming he didn't go yard. So what up??

[11larkin11]

No mention of Jr. He didnt go yard or get hurt. Not sure what it means.

Hit for Stubbs!

[11larkin11]

Then picked off...

[Doc. Scott]

Uh oh. Stubbs gets himself picked off first right as Brantley was talking about how fundamentally sound he was.

[Tommyjohn25]

No mention of Jr. He didnt go yard or get hurt. Not sure what it means.

Hit for Stubbs!

Thanks. As long as he didn't get hurt that's all that matters. Congrats to Stubbs!!

Edit...I guess a half-congrats is in order instead.

[vaticanplum]

Josh Hamilton is superman.

[Doc. Scott]

Hamilton gaps one to LCF and motors into third. Brantley is agog at how fast he is.

[KronoRed]

Hello Drew Stubbs.

He says HI

[ochoa30]

Hamilton triples to left center.

[reds44]

Phillips is on ESPNEWS right now ripping on Josh Hamilton again.

[captainmorgan07]

Phillips is on ESPNEWS right now ripping on Josh Hamilton again.

whats he saying?

[ochoa30]

Phillips is on ESPNEWS right now ripping on Josh Hamilton again.

What did the fool say this time?

[Doc. Scott]

Ble Jays get another RBI single to take a 2-0 lead, but Reed Johnson is caught trying to stretch it to a double to end the third inning.

[Chip R]

Phillips is on ESPNEWS right now ripping on Josh Hamilton again.


Ripping on Hamilton or ripping on the Reds for signing him?

[11larkin11]

I dont get ESPNEWS, whats he saying now? He shouldnt be stretching doubles to triples?

[OnBaseMachine]

2-0 Jays after 3.

Belisle: 3 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 3 K

[Doc. Scott]

Belisle's been praised by the announcers. Yeah, he's given up a couple of runs, but they're not thunderbolt line drives.

[Chip R]

Belisle's been praised by the announcers. Yeah, he's given up a couple of runs, but they're not thunderbolt line drives.


Better send him down. He obviously doesn't fit in with guys like Milton and Lohse. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips is on ESPNEWS right now ripping on Josh Hamilton again.

Like Steve Phillips knows what he's talking about.....hell, he screwed the Mets up a few years ago - I don't take much out of anything he says.

[membengal]

Seriously, was it the same theme from Phillips as his piece of excrement article? Or some new hatchet job?

[ochoa30]

Stubbs already showing why speed is so important as long as you make contact. Hopefully he can do that more and show that power he also has. Im looking forward to see if he improves this year. We all know about the great D he plays.

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton coming back to Earth a bit....yet the numbers still aren't too shabby

[ochoa30]

Hamilton coming back to Earth a bit....yet the numbers still aren't too shabby

Yea, we all knew he would, his back down to earth is probably better then most though. lol. His one weakness so far is the high fastball, he is gonna start seeing it a lot more so lets see how he adjusts.

[Matt700wlw]

Encarnacion's had a nice spring

[Matt700wlw]

Yea, we all knew he would, his back down to earth is probably better then most though. lol. His one weakness so far is the high fastball, he is gonna start seeing it a lot more so lets see how he adjusts.

I think he'll adjust just fine. Whatever "IT" is....Hamilton has it.

[reds44]

Ripping on Hamilton or ripping on the Reds for signing him?
More ripping on the Reds for signing him. It was basically the same crap he was spewing in his article.

[11larkin11]

Jeff Brantley...

"I would say something, but theres already 2 outs and this is an out right here"

Thom...

"Clayton steps in."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[vaticanplum]

Brantley getting giggly over the "big-bodied" guys.

[Chip R]

Brantley getting giggly over the "big-bodied" guys.


Brantley likes the big bodies and Marty likes the young body of Jeff Conine. And we all know how Grande loves any body in a Cardinal uniform. ;)

Who's that in your avatar, VP?

[OnBaseMachine]

Brantley likes the big bodies and Marty likes the young body of Jeff Conine. And we all know how Grande loves any body in a Cardinal uniform. ;)

Who's that in your avatar, VP?

I think its Javier Vazquez.

[OnBaseMachine]

How about Drew Stubbs today? 2-for-2 vs Tomo Ohka today.

Belisle was solid: 4 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 3 K

[reds44]

How about Drew Stubbs today? 2-for-2 vs Tomo Ohka today.

Belisle was solid: 4 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 3 K
Why did he only go 4 innings?

Saarloos in, big appearance for him.

[TheWalls]

Nice inning for Saarlos.

[OnBaseMachine]

Why did he only go 4 innings?

Saarloos in, big appearance for him.

I don't know. My guess is they wanted Belisle and Saarloos to each go four innings today.

[Falls City Beer]

They didn't want Belisle to show up Milton and Lohse by going more than 4 innings. Don't want to hurt their feelings.

[Chip R]

Score is 2-2 now. Not sure how the Reds scored.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds and Jays tied at 2 after 6. Saarloos threw a 1-2-3 6th with a flyout, groundout, and strikeout.

[reds44]

Score is 2-2 now. Not sure how the Reds scored.

Stubbs scored a run, I think EE drove him in.

[ochoa30]

Anyone know what hamilton did? i missed it

[OnBaseMachine]

Joey Votto now in at first base.

[reds44]

I don't know. My guess is they wanted Belisle and Saarloos to each go four innings today.
Good point. That sounds right.

[Brisco]

top of the 7th:

Frank Thomas one hooper to 1st, 1 down

[Matt700wlw]

Saarloos getting some big time hitters out with ease today

[Brisco]

Troy Glaus follows with a K. 2 down.

[Brisco]

Matthews gets a hit through the infield, 2 down one on.

[reds44]

Saarloos and Belisle should both be on the rotation.

/captain obvious

[Brisco]

Pasano pops out in foul territory to Votto. Headed to the 8th. (this has been the bottom of the 7th, not the top, sorry)

[pedro]

Saarloos and Belisle should both be on the rotation.

/captain obvious

They will be by May IMO. If not earlier.

I think Milton is not long for this team.

[OnBaseMachine]

Saarloos and Belisle should both be on the rotation.

/captain obvious

Yep.

Harang
Arroyo
Belisle
Lohse
Saarloos

[Brisco]

Top of the 8th. Frazier pitching, Henderson leads off, Ks in 3 pitches.

[TheWalls]

MLB's "live" box score is absolutely killing me!

[OnBaseMachine]

Top of the 8th. Frazier pitching, Henderson leads off, Ks in 3 pitches.

Who is Henderson?

[TheWalls]

Jeff Brantley...

"I would say something, but theres already 2 outs and this is an out right here"

Thom...

"Clayton steps in."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Should have used it again when Moeller came up.

[Brisco]

1 down, Moeller at bat: bunt foul, then a check swing strike, ball low, ball inside, 2-2 pitch fouled back, grounder to 2d 2 down

[Brisco]

Henderson is playing 2d for us.... I dont know much else. Got the name from the Jays broadcast.

[reds44]

Is Votto a bad fielder or something? That is what Brantley is making it sound like.

[Brisco]

Bellhorn with a full count walk, Janish up with 1 on.

[ochoa30]

Is Votto a bad fielder or something? That is what Brantley is making it sound like.

Just raw, he was drafted as a catcher and is still a work in progress at first. He is a hard worker so he will get there.

[Tom Servo]

Henderson is playing 2d for us.... I dont know much else. Got the name from the Jays broadcast.
Rickey? :eek:

[OnBaseMachine]

Is Votto a bad fielder or something? That is what Brantley is making it sound like.

He's got room for improvement but he's not horrible out there. Probably around average. All reports say he is working hard on his defense.

9000th post!

[Brisco]

Votto had a weak D rep, but supposedly impressed with his glove this Spring.

Janish is HBP, 2 on with Stubbs up.

[Brisco]

Stubbs reachs on an error ... bases juiced . 2 down

[Brisco]

Wise up with bags full, pops up to shallow left.. 2-2 after 7.5

[OnBaseMachine]

Oh ok, I just saw the boxscore and that is Drew Anderson playing 2nd base, not Henderson as the Blue Jays announcers said.

[tbball10]

Henderson is playing 2d for us.... I dont know much else. Got the name from the Jays broadcast.


mlb's box score says anderson is playing 2nd, so im assuming its drew anderson.

[Caveat Emperor]

They will be by May IMO. If not earlier.

I think Milton is not long for this team.

I agree -- I think he's got 2, maybe 3 starts tops before management flushes the contract for good.

When that does happen, the Reds rotation quietly goes from being middling to above-average in the NL, IMO -- especially if Loshe gets skipped frequently as the #5 guy.

[reds44]

Saarloos is mowing them down.

[Brisco]

Saarloos starts the 8th with a K

[vaticanplum]

I think its Javier Vazquez.

Yes, it is Javier. He's been neglected and was due for some face time.

[Brisco]

Sounds right. Sorry... old ears.


mlb's box score says anderson is playing 2nd, so im assuming its drew anderson.

[reds44]

I agree -- I think he's got 2, maybe 3 starts tops before management flushes the contract for good.

When that does happen, the Reds rotation quietly goes from being middling to probably above-average in the NL, IMO -- especially if Loshe gets skipped frequently as the #5 guy.
It's the last year of his contract, so IMO he doesn't have much room for error this year.

[Brisco]

Saarloos gives up a double. 1 out 1 on 2d

[Brisco]

2 down, I think the runner moved to 3rd.

[blumj]

Sounds right. Sorry... old ears.

It's probably just the Canadian accent.

[Brisco]

Bellhorn error gives a run to the Jays, we are down 3-2

[Brisco]

Moeller reacts late to a bunt, 2 on 2 down. Saarloos doesnt desrve this defense.

[ochoa30]

Bellhorn error gives a run to the Jays, we are down 3-2

Hopefully its just another nail in his coffin, he should have been gone already.

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't know why Bellhorn even carries a glove.

[Brisco]

Saarloos finishes the inning out by avoiding another error with a K.

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't know why Bellhorn even carries a glove.

He's like Michael Jackson in that respect -- he wears a glove on one hand, but nobody really can figure out why.

[OnBaseMachine]

Impressive three innings from Saarloos.

[ochoa30]

He's like Michael Jackson in that respect -- he wears a glove on one hand, but nobody really can figure out why.

:laugh:

[OnBaseMachine]

He's like Michael Jackson in that respect -- he wears a glove on one hand, but nobody really can figure out why.

:laugh:

[Brisco]

Hobbs leads off the 9th with a K.

[RFS62]

Brantly is making a bunch of snide remarks about Bill James and on base percentage. I have a feeling he's going to really encourage Marty to show the same disdain for stats this year, not that he needed much help.

It's going to be a long season if that's what we have to look forward to.

[ochoa30]

Hobbs leads off the 9th with a K.

Ive seen accardo pitch, he has great stuff. If he controls it he will strike many out, and there goes votto.

[Brisco]

Accardo gets the sombrero, game over.

[reds44]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Season's Over.
FIRE JERRY!!!!!!

[KronoRed]

Is Votto a bad fielder or something? That is what Brantley is making it sound like.
Ahh they are getting started early on Votto, EE will have some company ;)

[Brisco]

Todays game

Good: Saarloos does well, Belisle does adequate.

Bad: Josh goes 1-5... I am starting to think that folks (opposing pitchers/catchers) have been watching video and he has gone from an unknown to a player with a visible hole in the zone. Dont get me wrong, I still love the guy, but playing every 3rd or 4th day is not gonna help fix it if I am right.

Ugly: Late defense and hitting with RISP.

[pedro]

Todays game

Good: Saarloos does well, Belisle does adequate.

Bad: Josh goes 1-5... I am starting to think that folks (opposing pitchers/catchers) have been watching video and he has gone from an unknown to a player with a visible hole in the zone. Dont get me wrong, I still love the guy, but playing every 3rd or 4th day is not gonna help fix it if I am right.

Ugly: Late defense and hitting with RISP.

I'd be very surprised if anyone is watching video in spring training to adjust to Hamilton. I just think he's coming down to earth some. It was bound to happen.

Give the kid a break. He did have a triple.

[TC81190]

Bellhorn done with the Reds?

[pedro]

Bellhorn done with the Reds?

Looks that way.

[Brisco]

Pedro:

Again, I love the guy, and I do not mean to sound down on him, however, from what I can tell, many of his K's seem to be from pitches with similar locations. That's not a random occurrence, but normally the result of scouting. I am not down on the guy at all... just pointing out the negative if they keep him on the 25 but fail to get him enough ABs.


I'd be very surprised if anyone is watching video in spring training to adjust to Hamilton. I just think he's coming down to earth some. It was bound to happen.

Give the kid a break. He did have a triple.

[TC81190]

Looks that way.

Is he done, period? He hit sub 200 last year with the Pads.

[Matt700wlw]

Are people aware that Eric Milton still has an option left?


There's your solution, even thought the Reds will never do it.

[KronoRed]

He also has the right to refuse assignment to the minors, and no the Reds would not be able to release him if he refused, they will pay him the 9million, one way or the other.

[TC81190]

Are people aware that Eric Milton still has an option left?


There's your solution, even thought the Reds will never do it.

Are you...are you serious? :eek:

[Matt700wlw]

Are you...are you serious? :eek:

Yes.

[pedro]

Pedro:

Again, I love the guy, and I do not mean to sound down on him, however, from what I can tell, many of his K's seem to be from pitches with similar locations. That's not a random occurrence, but normally the result of scouting. I am not down on the guy at all... just pointing out the negative if they keep him on the 25 but fail to get him enough ABs.

There very well may be some scouting going on, all the scouts are either in AZ or FL at this point, but I just don't think it's gotten to the point of players watching video to try and adjust.

[reds44]

Are people aware that Eric Milton still has an option left?


There's your solution, even thought the Reds will never do it.
Highest paid minor leaguer ever?

[Caveat Emperor]

Are people aware that Eric Milton still has an option left?

There's your solution, even thought the Reds will never do it.

Do you think, if Pete Rose was managing the Reds today, he could claim with a straight face that he bet on the Reds to win every night, even when Milton was pitching?

[Brisco]

There very well may be some scouting going on, all the scouts are either in AZ or FL at this point, but I just don't think it's gotten to the point of players watching video to try and adjust.


That's a good point. Most of the ST parks are not equipped with the full set of player development cameras, so one must use actual broadcast footage for video prep. However, even without the video, the STATS Pro software linked with TVTI would quickly show the statistical strike zone at a glance. On a daily basis, i think that 23 of the 30 teams are getting every game charted using those programs.

I dont know if you have ever seen a STATS Pro screen, but the holes in an individual batters screen jump out at you at first glance. It allows catchers to prep for a game in a matter of minutes.
I was thoroughly impressed with it.

[pedro]

That's a good point. Most of the ST parks are not equipped with the full set of player development cameras, so one must use actual broadcast footage for video prep. However, even without the video, the STATS Pro software linked with TVTI would quickly show the statistical strike zone at a glance. On a daily basis, i think that 23 of the 30 teams are getting every game charted using those programs.

I dont know if you have ever seen a STATS Pro screen, but the holes in an individual batters screen jump out at you at first glance. It allows catchers to prep for a game in a matter of minutes.
I was thoroughly impressed with it.


I would like to see that. Sounds interesting.

[TC81190]

I would like to see that. Sounds interesting.

As would. I would bet it costs quite few bucks though.

[11larkin11]

I would much rather pay him to sit at home, than take up a rotation spot that Belisle/Livingston/Saaroos/Santos have proven they DESERVE a shot at, and to lose us every 5th game.

[Brisco]

I am an idiot... I used the wrong name... it is "BATS" pro software, not stats. YIts produced by Sydex sports... (sydexsports.com) and the vidoe linking software comes from TVTI (tvti.net)

TVTI is my brother-in-law's company... they started off by selling the product to Bowden when he was with the Reds, and now they have 23 of 30 ML teams as clients.


As would. I would bet it costs quite few bucks though.

[DannyB]

Are people aware that Eric Milton still has an option left?


There's your solution, even thought the Reds will never do it.

So the Reds can pay him $9mil to lose games or pay him $9mil to go home.:help:

[Matt700wlw]

So the Reds can pay him $9mil to lose games or pay him $9mil to go home.:help:

If they have to pay him anyway, I'd rather they pay him to NOT help the team lose.

[remdog]

He's like Michael Jackson in that respect -- he wears a glove on one hand, but nobody really can figure out why.

You must be older than I thought you were, CE---that line dates all the way back to Mariano Duncan and the Dodgers! :laugh:

Rem

[dsmith421]

Yes.

My understanding is that he has enough seniority to demand his outright release rather than accept a demotion, even if the Reds have an option on him.

Personally, I think they should do the humane thing and shoot him.

[goreds2]

My understanding is that he has enough seniority to demand his outright release rather than accept a demotion, even if the Reds have an option on him.

Personally, I think they should do the humane thing and shoot him.

:eek: (Do it in Philly)

[TeamSelig]

Why? They would just boo it anyways