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Javy Pornstache
03-24-2007, 01:31 AM
Good news, UK fans: Looks very likely that Donovan's the next coach. Should be announced within just a few days of Florida's last tournament game, be it the regional final against Oregon, a Final Four game, or the national championship. Was told it is it not an absolute 100% lock but very, very likely.

WMR
03-24-2007, 02:18 AM
Good news, UK fans: Looks very likely that Donovan's the next coach. Should be announced within just a few days of Florida's last tournament game, be it the regional final against Oregon, a Final Four game, or the national championship. Was told it is it not an absolute 100% lock but very, very likely.

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WMR
03-24-2007, 02:23 AM
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jmac
03-24-2007, 09:06 AM
I heard same thing late last night.
Dont know if true but I did hear it.Best part of it to me will be 2 things.
1= Ky will get a good coach
2= getting to hear Andy Katz and Dick Vitale eat crow
:beerme:

durl
03-24-2007, 06:11 PM
I'll duck before I finish asking this but...

is Billy Donovan really the best guy for the job? Personally, I don't want players with attitudes like Walton and Noah playing for Kentucky. The D'Antoni angle is similar to what I prefer. I would think that a pro coach would attract kids eager to play for a coach who's been there and he woud be able to handle the hot seat.

TeamSelig
03-26-2007, 01:03 PM
I've heard that if Donovan comes to UK that recruite Patrick Patterson will be coming!

I don't care about attitudes, as long as we aren't recruiting Ron Artest-like players then I'm fine, I just want to win!!!! It's been so long!

WVRed
03-26-2007, 05:28 PM
I've heard that if Donovan comes to UK that recruite Patrick Patterson will be coming!

I don't care about attitudes, as long as we aren't recruiting Ron Artest-like players then I'm fine, I just want to win!!!! It's been so long!

It gets better...

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070326/SPORTS06/703260486


Star would follow Donovan to UK

McDonald's All American Nick Calathes said he could wind up at the University of Kentucky if UK hires Florida coach Billy Donovan to replace Tubby Smith.

"I've been hearing a lot of rumors since I have been here," said Calathes, who has signed with the Gators. "If he comes to Kentucky, then I will come with him. I will definitely follow him wherever he goes."

Meanwhile, he will be busy this week not only playing in the McDonald's All American game but also recruiting.

The 6-foot-6 star from Casselberry (Fla.) Lake Howell, who averaged 28 points, eight rebounds and six assists a game, said he's trying to lure unsigned recruit Patrick Patterson to the Gators.

Patterson, who also is considering UK, Duke, Virginia, West Virginia and Wake Forest, is rated the top unsigned player in the nation by recruiting experts.

"He's the final piece to our puzzle right now," Calathes said. "If we got him, we would have the No. 1 recruiting class in the country."

Also, Arkansas fired coach Stan Heath today, and Billy Gillespie is on the very "short list". Fox Sports was reporting that a deal could be announced as early as tomorrow. If this is true, im wondering if Mitch already knows who he wants as the next coach.

Blimpie
03-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Also, Arkansas fired coach Stan Heath today, and Billy Gillespie is on the very "short list". Fox Sports was reporting that a deal could be announced as early as tomorrow. If this is true, im wondering if Mitch already knows who he wants as the next coach.Wow. That's kinda suprising about Heath. I thought he had bought himself another season by virtue of what he did this month.

jmac
03-26-2007, 09:00 PM
I've heard that if Donovan comes to UK that recruite Patrick Patterson will be coming!

I don't care about attitudes, as long as we aren't recruiting Ron Artest-like players then I'm fine, I just want to win!!!! It's been so long!

Also I heard on radio today that a 5 star recruit in Fla said "where Billy goes....I go"

WVRed
03-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Also I heard on radio today that a 5 star recruit in Fla said "where Billy goes....I go"

Read above:)

I would compare Tubby to Matt Doherty in reference to Dicky V, but Tubby never reached that low. I think if he had stayed, it would have been very well possible.

macro
03-27-2007, 12:21 PM
Since the Billy Donovan aspect of this story is becoming a huge story on its own, I have moved the related posts from the "UK Basketball Question" thread to this new one. I based the title on Matt's choice of "Thad Matta and UK..." for his thread title, just to keep some consistency.

TeamSelig
03-27-2007, 12:25 PM
The sooner Florida loses the quicker I can be happy about UK again!

Also, if he was to win another championship it might make him want to stay at FL

Sweetstop
03-27-2007, 12:32 PM
The inevitability of it all irritates me.

macro
03-27-2007, 12:35 PM
Here's an interesting take...


http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/03/27/donovan-to-uk-rumor-grows-wings/

Donovan to Kentucky Rumor Grows Wings

Posted Mar 27th 2007 3:12AM by Ryan Ferguson

The rumors swirling around Billy Donovan's potential departure from Florida to Kentucky seem to grow stronger and swifter, like a river of doubt bursting free of its weakened levee.

With late-breaking news on Monday night -- still coming from unsubstantiated sources, mind you -- indicating that via a bizarre media screw-up, details of Donovan's pending contract with Kentucky were either accidentally or intentionally leaked, it is starting to feel as though there must be something to the rumor.

And when television stations run the story, you have to wonder if it isn't a rumor at all.

WLEX-18, Lexington's NBC affiliate news station, reports the following as of 12:52 AM EDT:

CatsPause: UK Ready To Name Donovan

According to Darrell Bird of CatsPause.com, UK is poised to name Billy Donovan its new basketball coach after Florida's final game in the NCAA Tournament.

According to CatsPause.com, the reported package is a seven year deal worth $3.5 million per year. The report further states there is a $3.5 million loyalty bonus if Donovan completes all seven years.

There are some important things to note here:

1. Catspause.com, the popular Kentucky fan site, is the source of the story. While I'm not suggesting that Catspause is an unreliable source, it is a far cry from the Kentucky athletic department or some other source which can make an official announcement regarding Kentucky's head coaching vacancy. Catspause is on very thin ice here; the site's trustworthiness as a news source hinges upon the validity of the story. If the "news" turns out to instead be a rumor, Catspause would become the laughingstock of the Rivals network. In theory, Darrell Bird would be aware of those potential pitfalls before running the story.

2. The news comes on the heels of Donovan's Monday afternoon television appearance on ESPN's PTI. In his interview with Mike Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser, Florida's head basketball coach did not do a very good job dodging questions about Kentucky. Donovan used the phrase "right now" seven times:

Tony Kornheiser: "Are you going to take a look at Kentucky?"
Donovan: "No, right now I'm going to focus on our team, Tony. Right now, that's the most important thing. Uh, my opinion is, we've worked so hard, and have had to deal with so much this season, that right now my only focus is our basketball team and this opportunity to play in the Final Four and to play against UCLA. And I really haven't given anything -- other than -- any, any other thought -- I, I can honestly tell you that in my opinion, when it comes to those situations, Billy Donovan or any coach is not the decision-making factor in those things. My focus right now is just totally on Florida."
Tony Kornheiser: "But down the road, in a few weeks, if someone comes knocking, would you at least answer the phone, or open the door?"
Donovan: "Well, my, my thing right now is that I just want to focus on our team. I'm happy at the University of Florida. I love our kids. I love our program. I love the administration. I love what's been able to take place here. But right now, I'm not going to sit there and forecast two weeks from now, a week from now, ten days from now. My total focus right now is UCLA and the University of Florida."


Matt Jones from Kentucky Sports Radio is, as usual, right on top of it:

I normally dont post multiple times in one evening, but lots has happened in the last hour. I must say, the Kentucky news media is abuzz about the Cats Pause story tonight that Billy Donovan and UK have reached a deal that will make Donovan the new coach at Kentucky. The news has been reported on WAVE in Louisville, WLEX in Lexington (which went with the story at 11, the same time the Cats Pause report came out, suggesting it was intentional) and is now common knowledge. We here at Kentucky Sports Radio have found out that the folks at Florida, including the Athletic Director have been made aware of the story and it is now will become the top talk of tomorrow's sports day.

The question is whether this is good. From now until Monday, Billy Donovan will be forced to answer questions on the subject from not only the news media, but also likely his team and the university. What was before today a "wait until the season is over" story has now, thanks to the Darrell Bird story, become a "we have to ask you now" story. When you say a deal is done, folks want to know if the deal is done. That means that Billy Donovan and the Florida Gators are in for distractions aplenty.

I'm calling it right now: thanks to this report, whether it's a leak, malicious sabotage, or the God's honest truth, the Gators' chances of winning it all for the second year in a row have been severely compromised. Unless this is cleared up as a nasty and baseless rumor on Tuesday (and if that's what it is, heads should roll at W-LEX and Catspause.com's publisher should be forced to post a public retraction), Billy Donovan, his players, and the athletic department will be forced to address this issue multiple times per day until the matter is concluded. It is the kind of distraction which can end any chance of Florida playing at a top level against UCLA.

And if Billy Donovan is Kentucky-bound, which I'm starting to think is a very distinct possibility due to Donovan's evasiveness, you might as well rip my orange and blue heart out of my chest and stomp on it with a jackboot.

UPDATE 3:36 AM EDT (Tuesday): Catspause.com has run a new "Plan B" story which displaces the Donovan contract story from its headline position. Darrell Bird, the Catspause.com publisher, has posted a message on the site's message board indicating this is NOT a done deal and that the story was not intended for the widespread publication it received. Bird appears to be trying to relegate this story back to 'rumor' status.

...and here's a story from this morning's Louisville paper...


http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/SPORTS03/70327012

Tuesday, March 27, 2007

UPDATED: 8:29 AM
Web site rumor about Donovan to UK is just that

By Brett Dawson
The Courier-Journal

LEXINGTON, Ky. – A message-board post on a Web site devoted to covering University of Kentucky athletics caused a stir last night and this morning by reporting a rumor that UK was close to naming Florida’s Billy Donovan its head basketball coach.

Darrell Bird, the general manager of The Cats’ Pause – a magazine and Web site that covers UK sports – posted on the site’s message board a rumor that he’d been hearing about the impending hire of Donovan to replace Tubby Smith, who resigned last week.

The story was picked up by several other media outlets and attributed to The Cats’ Pause, but Bird said this morning that the post was intended only to update his site’s subscribers on the status of a rumor he was finding difficult to disprove.

“Somehow it went from a discussion on our subscriber-only message board to (being reported as) done-deal fact,” Bird said. “We talk about rumors every day on our message board.”

Bird posted a link to the message board thread from the site’s home page.

That link appeared under a headline: “Blockbuster deal done?” And Bird’s initial message-board post included several details, including rumors of a seven-year contract for Donovan that would pay him $3.5 million annually.

Bird wrote that the deal was “reportedly brokered Thursday and Friday during a meeting with Donovan’s agent in Lexington.”

That post also said that the news wasn’t coming from official sources such as UK athletics director Mitch Barnhart or university president Lee Todd. But Bird wrote that “if this were the Kentucky Derby we’d be close enough to smell the blanket of roses.”

Still, Bird said he didn’t intend the story to be treated as a news report. Instead, he said, his intent was to keep subscribers updated on the status of a rumor that already had made the rounds on the site’s message boards over the weekend.

Bird called the story “a solid rumor,” but said he wouldn’t have printed it in his weekly column in The Cats’ Pause.

He said he sees a distinction between posting a rumor on his site’s message board and reporting news on the site’s front page or in the printed edition of the magazine.

“To me, the message boards are almost like the radio call-in shows,” Bird said. “It’s, ‘What are you hearing?’ It’s a back-and-forth medium.”

...and finally this from a CBS Sportsline editorial...


http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10091235

Hey, Billy -- the grass is greener in Kentucky

March 27, 2007
By Gregg Doyel
CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

People from Florida believe Billy Donovan will blow off Kentucky because he already has the best job in the SEC.

These are my people -- Florida's my alma mater -- but they've lost their minds.

After winning his second consecutive national title in the next week, Donovan might not leave for Kentucky. But if he stays it won't be because Florida is a better job. It's not. It's not close. Next time I'm in a bad mood and in need of a giggle, I'm going to tell myself the Florida basketball job is as good as the one at Kentucky. That'll have me in stitches.

Do you understand why Florida is such a good job? Because Donovan's the one who has it.

Put anyone else in that office -- say, Lon Kruger -- and Florida fades. Kruger went to one Final Four but when he left in 1996, the Gators were coming off 17-13 and 12-16 seasons. Kruger's no slouch. Check out his current UNLV team, which won 30 games. He won at Kansas State. He won at Illinois. But he was 29-29 his last two years at Florida.

Norm Sloan won a national title at North Carolina State. Florida was so easy that he made it to the NCAA Tournament just three times in 15 seasons, and to get those three bids he had to wade knee-deep in NCAA violations.

The day Donovan showed up in 1996, Florida was not a great job. By the time Florida made its NCAA Tournament debut in 1987, Kentucky had won five national championships. Kentucky has won two more since then.

Yes, Florida won a national title last year. And Florida probably will win it again this year. That makes Donovan a great, great great coach, and because of him, Florida is now a great job.

But better than Kentucky? Come on. The Wildcats have had one losing season since 1927. One.

Kentucky fans have taken heat this week over the gutless scurrying of Tubby Smith to Minnesota, but UK has the best support in the country. Midnight Madness fills 23,000-seat Rupp Arena. Every game is a sellout. Thousands travel, including to the 2007 SEC Tournament at Atlanta, where a so-so UK team led by an unpopular coach had a significantly bigger turnout than defending national champion Florida. Only 500 fans followed Florida to New Orleans for the NCAA Tournament, by the way.

Kentucky is such a good job that, despite its uncharismatic coach and unhappy fans and back-to-back mediocre seasons (for Kentucky), the Wildcats are among the final two or three schools for stud Class of 2007 recruits Patrick Patterson and Jai Lucas. Another finalist for those players was Florida, which found itself battling Kentucky on nearly even terms even with the charismatic Donovan, giddy fans and the 2006 NCAA title banner.

Kentucky's the better job in the long run, and the truth is, Kentucky might not be much worse in the short term. Not that Kentucky's in great shape right now. It isn't. Ten years after inheriting a cupboard of NBA talent from Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith leaves behind a roster of spiderwebs and broken dishes.

Kentucky's starting five next season looks like Ramel Bradley, Joe Crawford and Jodie Meeks on the perimeter, inexperienced 7-foot-2 Jared Carter at center and 6-9 sophomore Perry Stevenson at power forward. That's not terrible, but it's not terribly attractive.

But consider the potential upheaval at Florida, where the top six players could leave. Shooting guard Lee Humphrey and sixth man Chris Richard are seniors. The rest are juniors, and after turning down the NBA a year ago, lottery picks Joakim Noah and Al Horford and first-rounder Corey Brewer are unlikely to do it again. If those five leave, why would probable second-round pick Taurean Green stick around?

Here is Florida's possible starting five next season: junior Walter Hodge and freshman Nick Calathes at guard, sophomores Dan Werner and Jonathan Mitchell at forward, and sophomore Marreese Speights at center. Is that better than Kentucky's five? Tough call.

Which is why leaving for Kentucky should be fairly easy for Donovan. It's the second-best job in the country behind Roy Williams' chair at North Carolina, and if UK fans are demanding, big deal. Do you think Donovan, who won at Marshall and won huge at Florida, thinks for one second he wouldn't win massively at Kentucky? Please. And winning next season would actually be pretty easy for Donovan because Patterson and Lucas would follow him to Kentucky. That's only a guess, but it's a damn good guess.

Donovan surely must feel loyalty to Florida, but after 11 years he should be able to leave without being called an ingrate. Eleven years has been long enough for Donovan to see Florida's limitations first-hand, losing his top guard from each of the last two recruiting classes because they couldn't get past the Florida admissions board. One of those guards, Doneal Mack, played a key role for Memphis' Elite Eight team this season.

If you can play, you can get into Kentucky. That's not a rip. That's a fact.

If you can coach and recruit, you can win enormously at Kentucky. That, too, is a fact. Florida fans would argue that Donovan has won enormously at Florida, and that's true. At Florida, Donovan has made winning look easy.

At Kentucky, it would be easy.

dabvu2498
03-27-2007, 12:36 PM
Prediction: Florida will match (and perhaps exceed) any $ that UK offers.

macro
03-27-2007, 12:39 PM
Prediction: Florida will match (and perhaps exceed) any $ that UK offers.

If they shell out a huge raise for Donovan, will they be able to come up with the additional money when the football coach comes calling for his raise?

dabvu2498
03-27-2007, 12:44 PM
If they shell out a huge raise for Donovan, will they be able to come up with the additional money when the football coach comes calling for his raise?

Yes.

WMR
03-27-2007, 12:47 PM
It's about more than the dollars.

WMR
03-27-2007, 12:47 PM
The dollars will be more or less equal. The dollars will not be the deciding factor for Billy.

WVRed
03-27-2007, 12:59 PM
This lineup looks more like it if Donovan comes.

PG-Ramel Bradley
SG-Jodie Meeks
SF-Joe Crawford
PF-Perry Stevenson
C-Patrick Patterson

Jasper and Calathes first options off the bench.

TeamSelig
03-27-2007, 01:05 PM
Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Ppppleeeeaaaaassseeee

Slyder
03-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Why would Donovan leave Florida where he is pretty much Rick Pitino and Adolph Rupp of Florida. UK just chased a coach who won 20+ games a year, 10 straight NCAA appearances, won a national championship in his tenure there. And it's not like Florida is desperate for money. He played with Pitino at PROVIDENCE not Kentucky. Why would he be busting down the door for a job when he's got a really nice one currently that doesnt include the fish bowl affect that Kentucky does?

Like Rich left Alabama standing wondering WTH happened? I thought EVERYONE would kill to coach here?

I think Donovan may use UK to leverage some things and get a bit nicer deal but he wont leave.

NJReds
03-27-2007, 01:16 PM
Heard this a.m. on ESPN Radio that Billy D. could end up coaching the Miami Heat if FLA wins another championship. Can't remember which talking head spilled that rumor, it was during the Mike & Mike show.

TeamSelig
03-27-2007, 01:24 PM
Sorry this is the Billy to UK thread, no negative remarks towards the UK program or Billy not coming to UK.

Rule #1
- do not say Billy is definitely coming to UK (you will jinx them)
Rule #2
- do not say that Billy will stay at Florida (because theres a good chance he will stay and if everyone says he will stay then it might happen)
Rule #3
- do not say that Billy will go to the NBA (UK > Miami Heat or NBA, most people consider the NBA better than college, do not mention this because again it could jinx UK)
Rule #4
- even if you don't have a religion, please pray at least before you go to bed that you will wake up with Billy Donavan (as a coach, perverts)

Feel free to add to the rules as long as they don't alter any of the previous, and don't trigger any act of jinxing.

;)

Razor Shines
03-27-2007, 01:58 PM
I'm not saying that I don't think he'll go to UK, it seems as if he will, I just don't understand why. He's building Florida into a national power house. I could understand him leaving to coach the Heat though.

WVRed
03-27-2007, 02:01 PM
Heard this a.m. on ESPN Radio that Billy D. could end up coaching the Miami Heat if FLA wins another championship. Can't remember which talking head spilled that rumor, it was during the Mike & Mike show.

Well, the NBA season ends in June, and I don't think Donovan will be waiting that long.

Same reason I don't see us waiting on Mike D'Antoni.

WMR
03-27-2007, 02:19 PM
He has a chance to put his own very personal stamp on one of the top two or three basketball programs in the history of college basketball.

If he goes to UK, he'll be successful there. The man can flat-out recruit and evaluate talent, and with the cachet that comes along with the Kentucky basketball program (cachet that Tubby was unable to harness) he'll have Kentucky back to dominating the SEC.

As good as he's recruiting at Florida, he'll do even better with the University of Kentucky stamp at the top of the letterhead.

Javy Pornstache
03-27-2007, 02:50 PM
The argument I NEVER understood about why Billy wouldn't want to go to UK: "He has it made at Florida - he is winning and doesn't have any pressure to do anything!" Some have said the same, to a lesser extent, about Rick Barnes at Texas as well. Both in recruiting groundswells, both not in a high-pressure situation though they have successful seasons.... and both are second fiddle by a LONGSHOT to football. Not EVERYONE wants to rest on their laurels and be content at a "low-pressure" job... just saying.

Last night's rumor that "escaped" is almost completely factual from the info I know, and I would go as far as to say that some people don't mind it "getting out" - what with all the top recruits in the state for an all-star game. I do not think WLEX and some of the other news outlets should have presented it as fact as they did; that was foolhardy. Florida does have more time to get the money together to pay him, but fact is, they will most likely not have the sources to match his UK offer AND give the raise that will assuredly HAVE to be given to Urban Meyer who is the one coaching Florida's cash cow.

If it's Donovan, and I STRONGLY think the deal has been made already, we are going to know Wednesday of next week. Eight days.

roundboy22
03-27-2007, 03:31 PM
Nick Calathes has already signed his LOI so UF would have to release him from it. Not saying that they wouldn't because of the impact it may have on future recruits. But If they indeed lose thier coach to UK, they might want to play hardball with the 5 star PG and not let him go to thier rival UK as well. Just my opinion though.

WVRed
03-27-2007, 03:49 PM
Nick Calathes has already signed his LOI so UF would have to release him from it. Not saying that they wouldn't because of the impact it may have on future recruits. But If they indeed lose thier coach to UK, they might want to play hardball with the 5 star PG and not let him go to thier rival UK as well. Just my opinion though.

That is true. They may agree to release their incoming class, as long as its not to follow Billy to Kentucky. I could see Kentucky doing the same thing with Tubby and Minnesota.

Don't know if any of you have been reading the Florida message board, but they are in a bigger pandemonium than Kentucky. Scout.com's board has very little having to do with the game against UCLA. Its all about whether Billy leaves for Kentucky or not.

I personally hope that for Kentucky's sale that the rumor is not true. As much as I would love to get Billy, I do think it is very classless to be talking contract trying to lure a coach away during the NCAA tournament. I could be wrong, but that is JMHO.

Sweetstop
03-27-2007, 04:29 PM
I personally hope that for Kentucky's sale that the rumor is not true. As much as I would love to get Billy, I do think it is very classless to be talking contract trying to lure a coach away during the NCAA tournament. I could be wrong, but that is JMHO.


If "Javy's rumor" is true then it was probably DONE before the tourney...get back-channels okay from Donovan, force Tubby out, wait until 2 minutes after the Final Four is over, announce the crowning of Billy, and all will be right with Kentucky basketball again. :rolleyes:

If so, the whole thing reeks, and as a UK grad and life-long fan, makes me ill.

Classless would be an understatement, WV.

Slyder
03-27-2007, 04:34 PM
He has a chance to put his own very personal stamp on one of the top two or three basketball programs in the history of college basketball.

If he goes to UK, he'll be successful there. The man can flat-out recruit and evaluate talent, and with the cachet that comes along with the Kentucky basketball program (cachet that Tubby was unable to harness) he'll have Kentucky back to dominating the SEC.

As good as he's recruiting at Florida, he'll do even better with the University of Kentucky stamp at the top of the letterhead.

And he has a chance to take Florida and take a dead program and single handedly take it to where Kentucky thinks they should be every year. This isnt like Tom Crene at Marquette or the guy at A&M. Donovan has already reached the penacle at Florida why leave what he's build for a program thats "down" by their standards in the same conference?

Kentucky is one of the higher profile positions but when you have a chance to be THE MAN like Adolph Rupp, Bobby Knight, Denny Crum and cast your shadow through the job and elevate it to those elite levels, why go to a job where youre always compared to ghosts of the past?

Slyder
03-27-2007, 04:41 PM
That is true. They may agree to release their incoming class, as long as its not to follow Billy to Kentucky. I could see Kentucky doing the same thing with Tubby and Minnesota.

Tubby's not in the same conference and division as Kentucky, if UK were to play hardball it would really make them look like they have a serious case of sour grapes. You're comparing apples to oranges IF Donovan were to take the job, and as I have said I highly doubt.


Don't know if any of you have been reading the Florida message board, but they are in a bigger pandemonium than Kentucky. Scout.com's board has very little having to do with the game against UCLA. Its all about whether Billy leaves for Kentucky or not.

Having lived through it with the BSPN feed RR to Bama situation, I certainly know what they are going through. As far as I have seen/read no one has said anything more than Rumors and as BSPN has shown many times before they have an inept ability to take something run with it and end up running off a cliff (They had RR in Bama signed to a contract calling up coaches to fill his staff, and about 4 updates later end up having to completely change the story).


I personally hope that for Kentucky's sale that the rumor is not true. As much as I would love to get Billy, I do think it is very classless to be talking contract trying to lure a coach away during the NCAA tournament. I could be wrong, but that is JMHO.

All we are hearing right now is rumors. I met Donovan a couple times while he was at Marshall and he wouldnt be stupid enough to pull a Parcells (talk about his next job while still coaching).

WMR
03-27-2007, 04:43 PM
And he has a chance to take Florida and take a dead program and single handedly take it to where Kentucky thinks they should be every year. This isnt like Tom Crene at Marquette or the guy at A&M. Donovan has already reached the penacle at Florida why leave what he's build for a program thats "down" by their standards in the same conference?

Kentucky is one of the higher profile positions but when you have a chance to be THE MAN like Adolph Rupp, Bobby Knight, Denny Crum and cast your shadow through the job and elevate it to those elite levels, why go to a job where youre always compared to ghosts of the past?

Because Florida's not Kentucky. I can't really break it down any more than that.

Gregg Doyel's article from the first page says it about as well as I could:


The day Donovan showed up in 1996, Florida was not a great job. By the time Florida made its NCAA Tournament debut in 1987, Kentucky had won five national championships. Kentucky has won two more since then.

Yes, Florida won a national title last year. And Florida probably will win it again this year. That makes Donovan a great, great great coach, and because of him, Florida is now a great job.

But better than Kentucky? Come on. The Wildcats have had one losing season since 1927. One.

Kentucky fans have taken heat this week over the gutless scurrying of Tubby Smith to Minnesota, but UK has the best support in the country. Midnight Madness fills 23,000-seat Rupp Arena. Every game is a sellout. Thousands travel, including to the 2007 SEC Tournament at Atlanta, where a so-so UK team led by an unpopular coach had a significantly bigger turnout than defending national champion Florida. Only 500 fans followed Florida to New Orleans for the NCAA Tournament, by the way.

Kentucky is such a good job that, despite its uncharismatic coach and unhappy fans and back-to-back mediocre seasons (for Kentucky), the Wildcats are among the final two or three schools for stud Class of 2007 recruits Patrick Patterson and Jai Lucas. Another finalist for those players was Florida, which found itself battling Kentucky on nearly even terms even with the charismatic Donovan, giddy fans and the 2006 NCAA title banner.

Kentucky's the better job in the long run, and the truth is, Kentucky might not be much worse in the short term. Not that Kentucky's in great shape right now. It isn't. Ten years after inheriting a cupboard of NBA talent from Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith leaves behind a roster of spiderwebs and broken dishes.

Kentucky's starting five next season looks like Ramel Bradley, Joe Crawford and Jodie Meeks on the perimeter, inexperienced 7-foot-2 Jared Carter at center and 6-9 sophomore Perry Stevenson at power forward. That's not terrible, but it's not terribly attractive.

But consider the potential upheaval at Florida, where the top six players could leave. Shooting guard Lee Humphrey and sixth man Chris Richard are seniors. The rest are juniors, and after turning down the NBA a year ago, lottery picks Joakim Noah and Al Horford and first-rounder Corey Brewer are unlikely to do it again. If those five leave, why would probable second-round pick Taurean Green stick around?

Here is Florida's possible starting five next season: junior Walter Hodge and freshman Nick Calathes at guard, sophomores Dan Werner and Jonathan Mitchell at forward, and sophomore Marreese Speights at center. Is that better than Kentucky's five? Tough call.

Which is why leaving for Kentucky should be fairly easy for Donovan. It's the second-best job in the country behind Roy Williams' chair at North Carolina, and if UK fans are demanding, big deal. Do you think Donovan, who won at Marshall and won huge at Florida, thinks for one second he wouldn't win massively at Kentucky? Please. And winning next season would actually be pretty easy for Donovan because Patterson and Lucas would follow him to Kentucky. That's only a guess, but it's a damn good guess.

Donovan surely must feel loyalty to Florida, but after 11 years he should be able to leave without being called an ingrate. Eleven years has been long enough for Donovan to see Florida's limitations first-hand, losing his top guard from each of the last two recruiting classes because they couldn't get past the Florida admissions board. One of those guards, Doneal Mack, played a key role for Memphis' Elite Eight team this season.

If you can play, you can get into Kentucky. That's not a rip. That's a fact.

If you can coach and recruit, you can win enormously at Kentucky. That, too, is a fact. Florida fans would argue that Donovan has won enormously at Florida, and that's true. At Florida, Donovan has made winning look easy.

At Kentucky, it would be easy.

flyer85
03-27-2007, 05:00 PM
Nick Calathes has already signed his LOI so UF would have to release him from it. Not saying that they wouldn't because of the impact it may have on future recruits. But If they indeed lose thier coach to UK, they might want to play hardball with the 5 star PG and not let him go to thier rival UK as well. Just my opinion though.You sign with a university, not a coach. If I was the Florida AD I would give him a release with the caveat that he could not sign with any team in the SEC.

durl
03-27-2007, 05:21 PM
The talk about UK "running off a 20-win coach who won and NCAA title" is really starting to irritate me. Tubby did many good things at UK but he also presided over way too many low points.

Stats have been posted elsewhere regarding how the UK program took serious steps backwards over the past several years and Tubby simply refused to address them. Off-court turmoil, a huge jump in transfers out of the program, and failing to land a top-25 recruit in 10 years...those simply don't cut it for a program that is considered to be one of the top 3 (if not THE best) in the nation. You don't attract top recruits with a 10 year old trophy in one hand and a long list of current problems in the other.

WMR
03-27-2007, 05:28 PM
The talk about UK "running off a 20-win coach who won and NCAA title" is really starting to irritate me. Tubby did many good things at UK but he also presided over way too many low points.

Stats have been posted elsewhere regarding how the UK program took serious steps backwards over the past several years and Tubby simply refused to address them. Off-court turmoil, a huge jump in transfers out of the program, and failing to land a top-25 recruit in 10 years...those simply don't cut it for a program that is considered to be one of the top 3 (if not THE best) in the nation. You don't attract top recruits with a 10 year old trophy in one hand and a long list of current problems in the other.

http://www.miamifilmfestival.com/_2006_festival/03-05-06/02_Standing%20Ovation%20PURVI_PR_096.jpg

(standing ovation)

WVRed
03-27-2007, 07:04 PM
If "Javy's rumor" is true then it was probably DONE before the tourney...get back-channels okay from Donovan, force Tubby out, wait until 2 minutes after the Final Four is over, announce the crowning of Billy, and all will be right with Kentucky basketball again. :rolleyes:

If so, the whole thing reeks, and as a UK grad and life-long fan, makes me ill.

Classless would be an understatement, WV.

I'm not so much talking about Javy's rumor, but the WLEX and Cats Pause report.

Slyder, I understand what you are saying, but I seem to remember WKU not letting Patrick Sparks follow Dennis Felton to Georgia when he left, so this is probably not something new.

Generally when a recruit is let out of their letter of intent, they do not follow the coach to the new school, and usually the coach does not recruit for fear of retaliation from their former employer. At least that is what has happened recently(Werner at NC St, Damian James at Oklahoma, Charlie Villanueva with Illinois)

jmac
03-27-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm not saying that I don't think he'll go to UK, it seems as if he will, I just don't understand why. He's building Florida into a national power house. I could understand him leaving to coach the Heat though.

Look at length of Coaching tenures in the NBA ........Shaq retires and Wade gets hurt and trouble.
At KY.....Billy D would rule for as long as he wanted.
Rick Pitino knew what KY was when he took it and KY was down.
Billy D was here then...he knows and now Ky is not down !(like then anyway)

One more thing....if Pitino could go back, I believe he would have never left.

Razor Shines
03-27-2007, 09:09 PM
Look at length of Coaching tenures in the NBA ........Shaq retires and Wade gets hurt and trouble.
At KY.....Billy D would rule for as long as he wanted.
Rick Pitino knew what KY was when he took it and KY was down.
Billy D was here then...he knows and now Ky is not down !(like then anyway)

One more thing....if Pitino could go back, I believe he would have never left.

He could rule for as long as he wants at Florida.

WVRed
03-27-2007, 09:12 PM
He could rule for as long as he wants at Florida.

And live in the shadows of the pigskin.

jimbo
03-27-2007, 09:27 PM
You sign with a university, not a coach. If I was the Florida AD I would give him a release with the caveat that he could not sign with any team in the SEC.

Maybe on paper, but I think most recruits go with the coach and the program that he feels he fits in with the most. I think it would be wrong for Florida to do what you are suggesting because they would ultimately be impeding a player from going where he feels he will have the most success. If Donovan goes to UK, only the uniform changes, his program is still the one that the recruit chose.

jmac
03-27-2007, 09:58 PM
He could rule for as long as he wants at Florida.

This last week....the headlines in the Fla paper was on spring "football" practice with no mention on front page of the NCAA.

He will always be second fiddle to football there.
Also they had one sellout...guess who it was against?

macro
03-27-2007, 10:23 PM
Two more things to consider in response to those wondering why Donovan would want to leave Florida and come to Lexington:

1) If I heard correctly on WHAS radio in Louisville tonight, Florida sold out their 12,000-seat arena only eight of 18 times this season, and this coming off a championship season.

2) Donovan met his wife while working in Lexington, and she is reportedly involved with the horse industry. I thought I heard the WHAS guy say that her parents live in Kentucky, but their wedding announcement from 1989 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE2D8103AF935A3575BC0A96F9482 60) states that her parents are from Long Island. I'm not sure where the "her parents live in Kentucky" rumors are coming from?

I'm not saying that either of these, in and unto themselves, would be a determining factor, but they shouldn't be overlooked, either. It doesn't matter what Donovan accomplishes at Florida, he will always be the coach of the basketball team at a football school in a football state. In Kentucky, if he had success and brought a championship, he would be the most powerful man in the state this side of Mitch McConnell.

Slyder
03-27-2007, 10:44 PM
Two more things to consider in response to those wondering why Donovan would want to leave Florida and come to Lexington:

1) If I heard correctly on WHAS radio in Louisville tonight, Florida sold out their 12,000-seat arena only eight of 18 times this season, and this coming off a championship season.

2) Donovan met his wife while working in Lexington, and her parents live there. She is really big into the horse business.

I'm not saying that either of these, in and unto themselves, would be a determining factor, but they shouldn't be overlooked, either. It doesn't matter what Donovan accomplishes at Florida, he will always be the coach of the basketball team at a football school in a football state. In Kentucky, if he had success and brought a championship, he would be the most powerful man in the state this side of Mitch McConnell.

We could play this game all night long if we wanted.

His children are High School and Junior High (I heard on the news) I doubt they would be too thrilled leaving the people theyve known probably their entire lives, along with all their friends ;).

Honestly though prediction time:
Donovan "listens to" Kentucky (Insert youre own definition of listens to).
Donovan goes the UF's AD and says "I want A, B, C, D... or I'm going to Kentucky."
UF's AD blinks a couple times says "You are Guru, here you go"
UF sings kombaya.

traderumor
03-27-2007, 10:48 PM
I think UCLA started this rumor since Florida has been teetering mentally all year. This type of stuff will surely set them over the edge...and watching Noah lose will be oh, so sweet.

Slyder
03-27-2007, 10:51 PM
I think UCLA started this rumor since Florida has been teetering mentally all year. This type of stuff will surely set them over the edge...and watching Noah lose will be oh, so sweet.

Didnt affect WVU with all the stuff leading up to the Gator Bowl :thumbup: .

Razor Shines
03-27-2007, 10:59 PM
This last week....the headlines in the Fla paper was on spring "football" practice with no mention on front page of the NCAA.

He will always be second fiddle to football there.
Also they had one sellout...guess who it was against?

Well I guess that would be a good reason to leave, I had no idea they only had one sellout this year. I don't really follow either team.

macro
03-27-2007, 11:04 PM
We could play this game all night long if we wanted.

His children are High School and Junior High (I heard on the news) I doubt they would be too thrilled leaving the people theyve known probably their entire lives, along with all their friends ;).

Honestly though prediction time:
Donovan "listens to" Kentucky (Insert youre own definition of listens to).
Donovan goes the UF's AD and says "I want A, B, C, D... or I'm going to Kentucky."
UF's AD blinks a couple times says "You are Guru, here you go"
UF sings kombaya.

True enough, and your prediction certainly is a possibility. After all, if Donovan flat out said he wasn't going anywhere, he would ruin any chance at a big raise from Florida.

jmac
03-28-2007, 12:06 AM
We could play this game all night long if we wanted.

His children are High School and Junior High (I heard on the news) I doubt they would be too thrilled leaving the people theyve known probably their entire lives, along with all their friends ;).

Honestly though prediction time:
Donovan "listens to" Kentucky (Insert youre own definition of listens to).
Donovan goes the UF's AD and says "I want A, B, C, D... or I'm going to Kentucky."
UF's AD blinks a couple times says "You are Guru, here you go"
UF sings kombaya.

Or he says " hey guys...I am going to KY" and then Katz and Vitale say " boy this crow taste yummy" after 2 bites.

which will it be ? we shall see.

Jpup
03-28-2007, 05:51 AM
I don't really have a dog in the fight, but let's face it, it's Kentucky. There isn't anywhere in the world that college basketball is bigger than in Kentucky. It's bigger than anything Florida could ever offer him. Generally, what KY boosters want, they get.

I would be shocked if Billy Donovan is not the next basketball coach at UK. Other than North Carolina, it's the best job in the world for a basketball coach. His buddy Pitino is just right down the road as well. Billy Donovan was crowned the next coach the minute Tubby Smith was hired. I also don't think Florida could match blank checks with Kentucky.

dabvu2498
03-28-2007, 08:10 AM
Well I guess that would be a good reason to leave, I had no idea they only had one sellout this year. I don't really follow either team.

They only had one non-conference sell-out (vs. Ohio State).

I'm not going to go through all their box scores, but I would hazard a guess that they sold out at least the UK and UT games in the conference.

Joseph
03-28-2007, 09:43 AM
They only had one non-conference sell-out (vs. Ohio State).

I'm not going to go through all their box scores, but I would hazard a guess that they sold out at least the UK and UT games in the conference.

Thats correct, it was only one non-conference sell out.

And to regurgitate a line I just heard on the radio, UK would get 25,000 for a lay up drill.

That, my friends, is the difference in Florida and UK. He can stay at Florida and be a good coach and even make some Final Fours and win some SEC titles and go down in history as a decent coach.

Or he can go to UK and do the same and be a demi-god.

Much like all other sports are just the offseason for us Reds fans, basketball at Florida is just a time passer until spring practices start again.

macro
03-28-2007, 09:58 AM
I mentioned this earlier, but if I heard the guy on WHAS-84 in Louisville correctly last night, they sold out eight of 18 home dates in their 12,000-seat arena.

To follow up on what Joseph said, he's been there over ten years, won the title last year, and is in line to win another this year. If they didn't show up this year, then when are they going to show up?

dabvu2498
03-28-2007, 10:06 AM
And to regurgitate a line I just heard on the radio, UK would get 25,000 for a lay up drill.

But they only got 20,444 for their opening game vs. Miami.

For the record, UK only had 2 non conference sell outs: UMass and IU.

Joseph
03-28-2007, 10:13 AM
My reference is for a coach the fans believe in. UK is all about winning basketball. I don't mean to twist that into a fair weather fan situation, because it's not at all. They had grown weary of Tubby ball and it showed in the attendance this year, but if they'd been coming off the same situation as Florida, you wouldn't be able to get a seat in Rupp. That's what I'm getting at Florida couldn't sell out the 12,000 seat O'Connel Center, and UK was in a 'bad mood' as fans and still routinely brought in 20,000 plus.

Sweetstop
03-28-2007, 10:47 AM
I was at all the conference games, and the bigger non-conference games at Rupp this season, and, believe me, it was pretty much stuffed. Maybe not as loud as usual, but people came, unhappy or not, as per usual. I don't know the figures for the throwaway non-conference games, but I'll bet at least 20,000.

IslandRed
03-28-2007, 11:00 AM
I've always subscribed to the theory that the biggest stars end up on the biggest stages. I can't think of any really good examples offhand of a truly A-list hoops coach who stayed at a football school forever. Eventually, they end up at a basketball school. Or in the NBA.

Florida is loving their hoops right now, no doubt. But I lived there for quite awhile, and lived in Kentucky too, so I have some frame of reference of comparison. UF fans, on the whole, do not need to be good at basketball the way they do at football, or like UK needs to be good at basketball. That cuts two ways. Donovan can win at Florida without the pressure or the unreasonable expectations. But pressure and expectations are the natural byproduct of people genuinely caring. One cannot simultaneously argue that Florida is a much less pressure-filled job but that he's just as big a deal there as he would be in Kentucky. So it comes down to what Donovan wants. Some people want the white-hot spotlight and some people don't.

Joseph
03-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Does anyone think there is a fear of let down that might drive a guy like Billy to UK? What I mean is does the fear of losing the string of success he has going at Florida drive him to UK where he now has a couple years buffer to turn things around? Could the pressure to continue be something that would push him to take the UK job?

Just thinking out loud here.

jmac
03-28-2007, 08:02 PM
I mentioned this earlier, but if I heard the guy on WHAS-84 in Louisville correctly last night, they sold out eight of 18 home dates in their 12,000-seat arena.

To follow up on what Joseph said, he's been there over ten years, won the title last year, and is in line to win another this year. If they didn't show up this year, then when are they going to show up?

I just heard on whas tonight that Fla took only 500 fans to Sec tournament.
I knew they didnt take many but that is ridiculous.
Also the guy was really giving it to Katz good:thumbup:
Apparently he was on this morning saying there is no way BD is even thinking about Ky right now.
the host said Katz is basically crazy to think BD doesnt "think" about it whether it's during the day or a night in the bed.The host also said anyone can do 2 things like that at one time......prepare for Fla ,while if even in your mind only thinking about the ky job.
If BD takes it...I would appreciate any Ky fan posting any article,link, etc of Andy Katz admitting he was wrong or taking a bite of crow.
I mean think of the petrino's and sabin's of the world and how they say one thing and do the opposite while BD is leaving his options open yet Mr Katz "knows":rolleyes: what is gonna happen !

Blimpie
03-28-2007, 08:50 PM
But they only got 20,444 for their opening game vs. Miami.

For the record, UK only had 2 non conference sell outs: UMass and IU....and yet Rupp Arena continues to lead college basketball in attendance year after year.

By the way, that was 20,000+ showing up for Miami (Ohio)--not the Big East verison. :p:

marcshoe
03-28-2007, 09:40 PM
(I think you mean the ACC version...:) . s'alright. It's hard to keep track.)

I'm not a Kentucky fan, but I am a bit of a Donovan fan, and this one feels right to me. I'll go on the record here saying that he's the new coach by the middle of April. I can't imagine him turning Kentucky down, and I can't imagine there's a coach out there that's a better fit.

If I'm wrong....it won't be the first time.

CrackerJack
03-28-2007, 09:52 PM
So has everyone seen this?



According to Darrell Bird of CatsPause.com, UK is poised to name Billy Donovan its new basketball coach after Florida's final game in the NCAA Tournament. According to CatsPause.com, the reported package is a seven year deal worth $3.5 million per year. The report further states there is a $3.5 million loyalty bonus if Donovan completes all seven years. The deal reportedly was made last Thursday and Friday during a meeting with Donovan's agent here in Lexington.

jmac
03-28-2007, 09:58 PM
If I'm wrong...

I hope you're not :D

marcshoe
03-28-2007, 10:17 PM
So has everyone seen this?

Yeah, but there's also this:


UPDATE 3:36 AM EDT (Tuesday): Catspause.com has run a new "Plan B" story which displaces the Donovan contract story from its headline position. Darrell Bird, the Catspause.com publisher, has posted a message on the site's message board indicating this is NOT a done deal and that the story was not intended for the widespread publication it received. Bird appears to be trying to relegate this story back to 'rumor' status.

So who knows?

Slyder
03-29-2007, 01:21 AM
According to Darrell Bird of CatsPause.com, UK is poised to name Billy Donovan its new basketball coach after Florida's final game in the NCAA Tournament. According to CatsPause.com, the reported package is a seven year deal worth $3.5 million per year. The report further states there is a $3.5 million loyalty bonus if Donovan completes all seven years. The deal reportedly was made last Thursday and Friday during a meeting with Donovan's agent here in Lexington.


Every news agency had Rich Rodriguez signed, sealed, and delivered for something like 7 yrs, 2 mil per year plus incentives... BEFORE the Gator Bowl. We all saw how that went :explode: in BSPN and most southern newspapers face. Until Donovan actually holds a presser before believe anything.

pedro
03-29-2007, 02:55 AM
I've heard some speculation that Donovan might replace Pat Riley in Miami as well.

Blimpie
03-29-2007, 06:45 AM
(I think you mean the ACC version...:) . s'alright. It's hard to keep track.)

I'm not a Kentucky fan, but I am a bit of a Donovan fan, and this one feels right to me. I'll go on the record here saying that he's the new coach by the middle of April. I can't imagine him turning Kentucky down, and I can't imagine there's a coach out there that's a better fit.

If I'm wrong....it won't be the first time.Oops. You are right. The Hurricanes is who I was referring to--whichever Conference they are in this year...;)

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 08:11 AM
I've heard some speculation that Donovan might replace Pat Riley in Miami as well.

That rumor is out there:


Could Billy Donovan Coach the Miami Heat Next Year?
Posted Mar 27th 2007 3:58PM by The Big Lead
Filed under: Heat, Florida Basketball, Kentucky Basketball, NBA Rumors

Completely random and seemingly out of nowhere, Sports by Brooks sat through the Jim Rome Show Monday, and found himself a great item: Florida coach Billy Donovan isn't going to end up at Kentucky, as his been rumored; instead, he's headed to coach the Miami Heat:

Tom Friend of ESPN The Magazine announced on Jim Rome's ESPN-TV show "Rome is Burning" yesterday that Donovan is going to leave (Florida) and replace Pat Riley as coach of the Miami Heat. What's equally intriguing is that an ESPN reporter on an ESPN network show claims the biggest basketball scoop of the season, yet the report is apparently being ignored by ESPN's news operation.
After extensive research (read: google news) all I was able to find was this Q&A with a writer from the Sun-Sentinel where the Donovan-to-the-Heat rumors are addressed, but instantly dismissed as poppycock.

I'm probably alone in this, but why would any coach with back-to-back championships (assuming the Gators win this one) under his belt leave for Kentucky? Wildcats fans may not want to hear this, but the current state of that program, compared to where Florida is, makes that a lateral move. Assuming all five Gator starters are gone after this season, I'd still project Florida to finish ahead of Kentucky in the SEC next year.

The NBA, to me, is a likely scenario, but there simply isn't much proof as to whether or not it's happening.

http://ncaafootball.aolsportsblog.com/2007/03/27/billy-donovan-to-the-miami-heat/

I'd ask Billy D to consider the success of those college coaches who have attempted to make the jump in the past few years.

Sweetstop
03-29-2007, 08:34 AM
That rumor is out there:


http://ncaafootball.aolsportsblog.com/2007/03/27/billy-donovan-to-the-miami-heat/

I'd ask Billy D to consider the success of those college coaches who have attempted to make the jump in the past few years.


Yes, he could ask his mentor, Mr. P. about that.

Of course, then the sexy Mr. Riley could return to bring his alma mater back to glory.;)

Jaycint
03-29-2007, 08:42 AM
At this point I hope the golden boy DOES come north and take the job. That way there won't be any excuses if Kentucky should have a similar stretch of what they have had the last couple years. Of course then it will be "cut him some slack, he's just trying to fix what Tubby destroyed." After all, it all comes back to Tubby. He is the devil.

WMR
03-29-2007, 08:45 AM
He is the devil.

http://www.firetubbysmith.com/images/tubby2.jpg

I thought this was just a photoshop... now I'm not so sure!! :laugh:

Jaycint
03-29-2007, 09:06 AM
http://www.firetubbysmith.com/images/tubby2.jpg

I thought this was just a photoshop... now I'm not so sure!! :laugh:

lol WilyMO :D

Sweetstop
03-29-2007, 09:16 AM
At this point I hope the golden boy DOES come north and take the job. That way there won't be any excuses if Kentucky should have a similar stretch of what they have had the last couple years. Of course then it will be "cut him some slack, he's just trying to fix what Tubby destroyed." After all, it all comes back to Tubby. He is the devil.


Ain't that the truth. There must be a way to blame him for Eddie Sutton, also.:)

Chip R
03-29-2007, 10:03 AM
At this point I hope the golden boy DOES come north and take the job. That way there won't be any excuses if Kentucky should have a similar stretch of what they have had the last couple years. Of course then it will be "cut him some slack, he's just trying to fix what Tubby destroyed." After all, it all comes back to Tubby. He is the devil.


That's an important thing to remember. I think UK fans would be generous enough to give him a year. After that, I think if he doesn't make the Final Four, the natives will get restless. And even if he does make a Final Four and doesn't win it all, there is going to be a lot of criticism. The conventional wisdom is that if Donovan can go to back to back Final Fours at Florida - possibly winning them both - he should dominate at UK. Perhaps even give Wooden's record a run for his money. Plus Donovan would be getting paid a mint and we all know the higher the pay, the higher the expectations. There's no guarantee he's going to deliver.

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:10 AM
No, Eddie Sutton is the one who gets blamed for Eddie Sutton just like the decline of the UK program under Tubby's watch is blamed on Tubby. The program had been trending downward, undeniably, for the past 5-7 years. At the University of Kentucky, as my dad would say, "that dog don't hunt."

There's no curse on UK bball. If a coach is brought in capable of harnessing the potential of Kentucky basketball, they'll succeed, and be judged by, their own merits and results.

Billy will be given ample time to bring in his players and implement his system. What fans, myself included, want to see is a trend that things are getting better, that there is a workable plan in place. Fans will see that with Billy. Tubby's plan? Schedule enough patsies to get to twenty wins? Run a system that is maybe the ugliest offense in all of college bball? Show intense loyalty to assistants who don't deserve to keep their jobs BASED ON PERFORMANCE? Whatever his plan was, it was evident that it didn't involve getting UK back to a top-tier bball program anytime soon.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:18 AM
Schedule enough patsies to get to twenty wins?

You do realize that, according to RPI, UK played the #1 toughest schedule in the country this year. Previous years SOS rankings:

2006 - 15th
2005 - 30th
2004 - 7th
2003 - 15th
2002 - 3rd
2001 - 3rd
2000 - 1st
1999 - 12th

http://kenpom.com/

Most of the rest of the stuff you've said, I'll agree with, but Tubby scheduling "patsies" is not one of them.

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:21 AM
No, I knew someone would bring up the SoS argument... but look at his record the past few years against the top 25. We play the UNC's of the world, but they've been kicking our butts consistently for the past few seasons. The vast majority of our non-conference wins the past few years have been against the College of Charleston's of the NCAA.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Schedule enough patsies to get to twenty wins?


No, I knew someone would bring up the SoS argument... but look at his record the past few years against the top 25. We play the UNC's of the world, but they've been kicking our butts consistently for the past few seasons. The vast majority of our non-conference wins the past few years have been against the College of Charleston's of the NCAA.

Two different arguments. Scheduling "patsies" is different from not winning enough games vs. good teams.

Clearly Tubby has not scheduled patsies as you state in the 1st quote above.

The second argument is fairly valid.

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:31 AM
I look at it like this... it's almost like he knew he'd lose the "marquee" match-ups, so he countered that near-certainty by making the rest of the games against teams such as EKU etc etc. I see the two linked b/c seemingly the entirety of our non-conference schedule was one extreme or the other and I think Tubby planned it that way for a reason.

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:37 AM
Dabvu, unrelated question, is Langhe (sp?) still playing pro ball anywhere?

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:40 AM
I look at it like this... it's almost like he knew he'd lose the "marquee" match-ups, so he countered that near-certainty by making the rest of the games against teams such as EKU etc etc. I see the two linked b/c seemingly the entirety of our non-conference schedule was one extreme or the other and I think Tubby planned it that way for a reason.

I'm having a hard time remembering that this past year's team actually beat Louisville and Indiana, but it did happen.

In my opnion, what you describe is what everybody does. Check some of the match-ups Pitino scheduled back in the day. Some very good and some very bad.

Let me ask you this: You really want UK to play a tougher nonconference schedule?

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:43 AM
No, I'm honestly fine with the scheduling... and yeah I'm probably being too hard on Tubby as far as the scheduling is concerned... I guess the fact that UNC and Kansas have beat us like a drum the past few times we've played them prevents me from giving much credit to what, if anything, our "toughest schedule in the nation" says about our team or our former coach.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:48 AM
Dabvu, unrelated question, is Langhe (sp?) still playing pro ball anywhere?

Dan Langhi. Played in 06-07 for OSG in the Japanese "SuperLeague." Not sure how he's done. Will look that up.

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:50 AM
Oh hey another name I just thought of, what about Freije (sp?) Haha, those damn Vandy players and their hard to spell names! :laugh:

WMR
03-29-2007, 10:51 AM
BTW, I went to high school and was good friends with Scott Hundley. I was so happy for him his senior season when he made those last minute free throws to beat UK. TOTALLY deserved. Loved seeing him win sixth man of the year in the SEC his senior year. Another player Tubby should have given a scholarship to, IMO. Very high basketball IQ.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:52 AM
No, I'm honestly fine with the scheduling... and yeah I'm probably being too hard on Tubby as far as the scheduling is concerned... I guess the fact that UNC and Kansas have beat us like a drum the past few times we've played them prevents me from giving much credit to what, if anything, our "toughest schedule in the nation" says about our team or our former coach.

Your previous posts made me think you wanted a tougher schedule.

But the conclusion you've drawn here is :thumbup: by me.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 10:54 AM
Oh hey another name I just thought of, what about Freije (sp?) Haha, those damn Vandy players and their hard to spell names! :laugh:

You got that one right.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/matt_freije/

Got released by the Hawks back in December. A little more research shows me that he's more than likely not playing anywhere. One of my buddies swore he saw him at the Vandy-Gtown game this past Friday.

dabvu2498
03-29-2007, 11:02 AM
Dan Langhi. Played in 06-07 for OSG in the Japanese "SuperLeague." Not sure how he's done. Will look that up.

Looked it up. He led the SuperLeague in scoring at 27.25 per game.

macro
03-29-2007, 11:03 AM
Word out now is that UK has employed the same hiring firm to help with their "search" that hooked Tubby up with Minnesota. Do any of you wonder if their employment of the hiring firm is a smokescreen to counter the rumors of earlier this week?

Also, regarding that Cats Pause rumor, it only said that Donovan's agent had worked out a deal. Even if true, there's nothing that says that Donovan has to accept the deal. Perhaps he told his agent something to the effect of "Go work out the best deal you can and leave me out of it. I've got to concentrate on the Final Four. Tell me after the tournament is over what the deal is and I'll think about it."

I'm inclined to believe that some negotiating has taken place, and perhaps a deal has been worked out. That does not mean that Donovan will be coaching at UK, however.

WMR
03-29-2007, 11:05 AM
Using that firm as a smokescreen and to counteract the potential horrible publicity from reaching an agreement in principle with Billy is highly plausible, IMO.

joshnky
03-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Using that firm as a smokescreen and to counteract the potential horrible publicity from reaching an agreement in principle with Billy is highly plausible, IMO.

Why pay a search firm a substantial amount of money to pretend to be conducting a search if you already believe you have your man? I don't like Barnhardt but you don't get to his level without being smart with the resources given you. Pres. Todd and the state of KY for that matter would not look fondly on that use of resources at a public university.

Also, many Kentucky fans already dislike Barnhardt and hiring a search firm makes him seem even more incompetent. Why put yourself through the continued abuse unless you really needed the assistance?

Joseph
03-29-2007, 11:45 AM
Why pay a search firm a substantial amount of money to pretend to be conducting a search if you already believe you have your man? I don't like Barnhardt but you don't get to his level without being smart with the resources given you. Pres. Todd and the state of KY for that matter would not look fondly on that use of resources at a public university.

Also, many Kentucky fans already dislike Barnhardt and hiring a search firm makes him seem even more incompetent. Why put yourself through the continued abuse unless you really needed the assistance?

Perhaps its being done to satisfy NCAA requirements and or protect from NCAA tampering sanctions?

Hoosier Red
03-29-2007, 11:55 AM
I don't think the NCAA has any rules regarding hiring of coaches.
At least nothing like the "rooney rule" in the NFL.

joshnky
03-29-2007, 11:58 AM
Perhaps its being done to satisfy NCAA requirements and or protect from NCAA tampering sanctions?

If they tampered with Donovan it will come out regardless of the search firm. In fact, rumors are already flying so there is no way they could hide it. Also, most teams with resources don't use a search firm and don't get in trouble with the NCAA. This is weird but I'm not buying that the search firm is a smoke screen.

joshnky
03-29-2007, 11:59 AM
I don't think the NCAA has any rules regarding hiring of coaches.
At least nothing like the "rooney rule" in the NFL.

I think you're right. In football teams steal coaches all the time before they play their bowl games. It might look bad but the NCAA won't do anything about it.

Joseph
03-29-2007, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a big college sports fan so I wasn't aware that they didn't really have tampering rules in place.

macro
03-29-2007, 12:50 PM
This is weird but I'm not buying that the search firm is a smoke screen.

In that case, maybe the offer has been worked out with Donovan's agent (again, with him left out of the process until next week), and UK is continuing to work on other candidates in the event that Donovan says "No"? Or, maybe the Cats Pause report was completely wrong and nothing has taken place.

I could easily be convinced to believe the first scenario in the above paragraph, but I'm having a hard time believing that nothing has been said or done with Donovan's agent. Hopefully, we'll know one way or another by late next week.

As a UK fan, I'm prepared to be enthused about other candidates if Donovan doesn't want the job. He's my favorite, just as he seems to be every UK fan's, but like Chip said, there are no guarantees that he would bring titles, and there are no guarantees that some other coach would not bring titles.

As for the one- or two-year grace period...It wouldn't surprise me to see Donovan or someone else come right in and take the program to the Top Ten. It can be done. Eddie Sutton inherited a team in 1985 that had had gone 18-13 in 1984-85 and ended up a #12 seed in the tournament. Sutton's first UK team entered it's Elite Eight game against LSU as a #1 seed and with a 32-3 record. Unfortunately for Kentucky, they had had to defeat an excellent Alabama for the fourth straight time during the season in the Sweet Sixteen, and then faced a very good LSU team that they would have to go 4-0 against on the season, as well. The law of averages finally caught up with that team, and LSU won the fourth meeting of the year between the two teams.

I bring up all that to say: Eddie Sutton came awfully close to taking an 18-13 team and turning it into a national champion. They finished 32-4 as it was. Louisville won it that year, and I think Kentucky had the better team. That's another argument for another day, however.

Yes, the next coach will get some slack, but not 22-10 slack. I think a #3 or #4 seed and Sweet Sixteen appearance might keep the natives at bay for one season, but in season two, they'd better be a top-eight seed and then play like it in the tournament.

guttle11
03-29-2007, 08:24 PM
Also, many Kentucky fans already dislike Barnhardt and hiring a search firm makes him seem even more incompetent. Why put yourself through the continued abuse unless you really needed the assistance?

What would a seasrch firm possibly do that any guy off the street couldn't for $25?

"What are you looking for in your next coach?"

"Uh, we, uh, we're looking for a guy who wins, recruits well, wins, has the personality and drive to deal with our fanbase's expectations and desires, and wins games."

"Ok, well, let's see what wer have here in our top 5 prospective candidates...

Billy Donovan
Mark Few
Tom Crean
Thad Matta
Mike D'Antoni"

"Well thanks, thanks for the help. Couldn't have done it without you."

George Foster
03-30-2007, 12:24 AM
Nick Calathes has already signed his LOI so UF would have to release him from it. Not saying that they wouldn't because of the impact it may have on future recruits. But If they indeed lose thier coach to UK, they might want to play hardball with the 5 star PG and not let him go to thier rival UK as well. Just my opinion though.

There is a NEW NCAA rule. If the coach leaves before you enroll, you can change schools without setting out a year.

The President of Cincinnati knew this rule and that's why she fired Huggins 2 days after classes started.:thumbdown

If Donovan goes to UK the freshman class can follow!

George Foster
03-30-2007, 12:35 AM
I'm having a hard time remembering that this past year's team actually beat Louisville and Indiana, but it did happen.

In my opnion, what you describe is what everybody does. Check some of the match-ups Pitino scheduled back in the day. Some very good and some very bad.

Let me ask you this: You really want UK to play a tougher nonconference schedule?

This is the first year since 1974 we did not beat a top 25 team....33 freakin years.

Louisville was not ranked when we beat them and Tennessee did not have Lofton when we beat them too.

WVRed
03-30-2007, 03:44 PM
Well, I guess ESPN is reporting it now...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2819224


ATLANTA -- Kentucky officials are prepared to offer Florida coach Billy Donovan an annual raise of more than $1 million as part of a contract that would make him one of the highest-paid coaches in college basketball.

Sources close to the Kentucky search said the school is prepared to tender an offer to Donovan early next week, either after Florida is eliminated from this weekend's Final Four in the Georgia Dome, or after it plays for its second consecutive national championship.

Florida, seeking to become the first team to win consecutive national titles since Duke in 1991 and 1992, plays UCLA in a national semifinal Saturday night.

The sources said Kentucky's starting point in the negotiations will be a seven-year contract that would pay Donovan at least $2.8 million per season and as much as $3.5 million with performance-based incentives.

The sources said Donovan, a former Kentucky assistant under Rick Pitino, is the Wildcats' top choice to replace Tubby Smith, who unexpectedly resigned last week to become Minnesota's coach.

Donovan has declined to discuss the Kentucky opening, but hasn't completely removed himself from the potential candidates to replace Smith. After this season, Donovan would have five years remaining on his contract with Florida, which pays him about $1.8 million per season.

"I don't even have my phone .. I don't talk to anybody," Donovan said at a news conference at the Final Four on Friday afternoon.

Donovan and his agents have been in negotiations with Florida athletics director Jeremy Foley for nearly a year. The two sides haven't yet reached a contract extension, but Florida was already prepared to pay Donovan at least $2.5 million per season before the Kentucky job opened, sources said.

Foley declined to discuss the Kentucky opening before the Gators practiced Friday at the Georgia Dome. Kentucky athletics department spokesman Scott Stricklin also declined comment when reached Friday.

"I'm not going to comment on the process until we have completed our search and found the right person to lead Kentucky basketball," Stricklin said.

People close to Donovan said he has received no contact from Kentucky officials, nor have his agents.

Kentucky officials have hired Parker Executive Search, an executive search firm in Atlanta, to conduct its coaching search. Dan Parker, president of the firm, was contracted by Minnesota to lure Smith to the Gophers, and Indiana used his firm to hire Kelvin Sampson from Oklahoma.

Regardless if Donovan stays at Florida or leaves for Kentucky, he figures to become one of the five highest-paid coaches in the country. Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and North Carolina's Roy Williams each earn close to $3 million per season, and Michigan State's Tom Izzo is paid about $2.6 million annually, according to industry sources.

Mark Schlabach covers college sports for ESPN.com. ESPN.com national sports columnist Pat Forde contributed to this report.

Blimpie
03-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Don't forget what the Kentucky Commissioner of Agriculture is reporting...:cool:


Ex-Wildcat thinks Donovan 'open' to UK job
/ Associated Press


LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - Former Kentucky basketball star Richie Farmer says he spoke with Billy Donovan and suspects the Florida coach is "open" to considering the Wildcats job after the Final Four.

Farmer said he called his former assistant coach, and the conversation was mostly about the Final Four, where defending champion Florida plays UCLA on Saturday.

Farmer said the Kentucky job did come up, and he didn't make a hard sell. Farmer added that he would if asked by his alma mater.

"He was certainly aware of what was going on," Farmer said Friday. "I think that he certainly is open to looking at the opportunity after the tournament."

At a news conference Friday in Atlanta, Donovan said he's focusing on the Gators' national semifinal game against UCLA and hasn't been contacted by Kentucky. Although he has yet to indicate an interest in the job, he also hasn't ruled it out.

"I don't even have my phone," Donovan said. "I don't talk to anybody. The minute I get on the road, I give my phone to my secretary. I've talked to nobody. All I've done, to be honest with you, is got a lot of bloodshot eyes right now from watching a lot of tape. That's all I do."

Farmer also said he has spoken recently with Kentucky athletic director Mitch Barnhart, who is leading the search to find a replacement for Tubby Smith, hired last week as Minnesota's coach. Farmer said he offered to help Barnhart in the search process, including future calls to Donovan if needed.

Farmer, running for re-election as Kentucky agriculture commissioner, played for Kentucky from 1988-92, and Donovan served as an assistant under Rick Pitino during part of that time.

Kentucky president Lee Todd acknowledged the next Wildcats coach would likely demand one of the nation's highest salaries. He said the athletics department budget was self-sufficient and would absorb any increase over Smith's salary, if necessary.

"There's a market out there," Todd said Friday. "There's a market for a neurosurgeon. There's a market for a college president, and there's a market for one of the top basketball programs. We would expect we'll have to be near the top in what we pay."

Todd said he has spoken with Barnhart about twice daily since the process began but declined to say whether candidates had been contacted. He confirmed Atlanta-based Parker Executive Search is aiding in the process.

School spokesman Scott Stricklin, who this week indicated the search was in its infancy, wouldn't estimate Friday when it might be completed. He also declined to comment on a report by ESPN.com that Kentucky was poised to offer Donovan a seven-year contract.

"We're not going to comment on the process until we have completed the search and found the right person to lead Kentucky basketball," Stricklin said. "This is the kind of job that attracts a lot of attention. Certainly it's an important decision, one that you don't want to rush through."

George Foster
03-30-2007, 11:45 PM
Dicky V on ESPN said tonight there is no way Donovan is leaving Florida for UK because he feel's loyal to Florida for giving him a chance, then he turns around and says that the Grizzlies will go after him and offer him 5 million.
Which is it Dick?

Ya... he will turn down the UK job, and go to the pros and travel 7 months a year with 2 young kids and live in the crime free city of Memphis. :laugh: :laugh:

5 million is a lot, but so is 3 million and a pretty good quality of life in Lexington. I'll coach 30 games, travel overnight in the south, and take my 3 million thank-you very much. No way would I coach in the pros.

WMR
03-30-2007, 11:53 PM
Dicky V's ******-factor-rating has gone up exponentially throughout this Tubby-UK job-Billy D ordeal.

Dumb boob.

WVRed
03-31-2007, 08:57 AM
http://www.truthaboutduke.com/banner.php

Check the picture in the middle.:)

jmac
03-31-2007, 09:36 AM
Dickie V is in the same boat as Katz and that is hoping against all hope that Billy D doesnt take it because of the things they will have to get on the air on say.
They have come across as arrogant know-it-all's thru all of this and personally I couldnt care less about their opinions.
"yeahhhhhh babyyyyyyyyyyyy " :thumbdown

jmac
03-31-2007, 09:52 AM
http://www.truthaboutduke.com/banner.php

Check the picture in the middle.:)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I will make this prediction.
Whether Billy takes job or not...the next time Dickie V sets foot in Rupp Arena he will be boo'd worse than the Louisville Cardinals !



From an Ohio State fan board-on Final Four Saturday Reply

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A buddy of mine at work (tax season, I work on Saturday too) sent this to me-he's a huge Buckeyes fan.

From an Insider on the OSU scout.com site.







"Why Billy Donovan HAS to go to UK.... HAS TO.

I met Billy Donovan about 15 years ago while I was a volunteer hoops coach at East Canton. Billy came to EC to check out our 6'9" kid who ended up at Ohio State, Mark Howard. He was an assistant to Pitino at Kentucky at the time.

Billy was very young and just starting out in coaching. We talked about his career at Providence under Pitino and Billy loved Rick. He told me it was his passion and life's desire to be the head coach at Kentucky, even if it took 30 years. The dude almost started crying just talking about it. He was kind of emotional about the job.

I never forgot that conversation. The moment I heard Tubby was leaving, I thought to myself that Billy Donovan will not be able to say "No" if UK offers him the job.

Donovan = Kentucky's next coach..... if they want him. He will not turn them down."







Just throwing this out there. Hope the OSU fan has it right !

GridironGrace
04-01-2007, 10:58 AM
I hope this happens.....but im one of the ones that doesnt think it will :(

WVRed
04-01-2007, 07:42 PM
For those who listen to Mike & Mike in the Morning, this was mentioned on Rivals message board.

I think we should nominate Dick Vitale for the "Just Shut Up" award.:)

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/story?page=justshutup

Jpup
04-04-2007, 05:52 AM
From ESPN.com's Andy Katz 4/4/07 12:30 AM


ATLANTA -- Florida coach Billy Donovan said he hadn't slept, but that didn't keep him from having a sharp wit about him Tuesday morning when commenting on his future.

Donovan made sure the media that gathered to watch him receive the Siemens National Championship Trophy understood where he stood with Kentucky.

He said he hasn't talked to anyone at Kentucky or spoken to anyone about the Wildcats' vacant head coaching job -- and that there's no point commenting on something that isn't in front of him.

Donovan also reiterated his current timetable of going to Marshall on Wednesday for a speaking engagement, meeting with Florida athletic director Jeremy Foley, going to a Gators' title celebration and a Saturday trip for a week with his family to the Dominican Republic to celebrate his father-in-law's 70th birthday.

"I'm not being coy or moving around questions," Donovan said as reporters from the Bluegrass State dogged him on the Kentucky question. "I haven't spoken to anybody and my intentions are to speak to the University of Florida. I'm happy there. I like the school and the athletic department has been very supportive."

Sources have told ESPN.com that Kentucky is prepared to offer Donovan a seven-year contract to succeed Tubby Smith that would pay at least $2.8 million per season and as much as $3.5 million with performance-based incentives. But on Tuesday, Donovan said only the media has talked to him about any Kentucky offer.

"It's out of line for me to comment and talk about it," said Donovan. "I have no basis commenting on it. ... For right now, I'm just going to enjoy what happened [Monday night with the title win over Ohio State]."

Donovan said he's so far removed from Kentucky that it's not like he was there yesterday. He hasn't been at Kentucky, where he was an assistant for five seasons under Rick Pitino, in 13 seasons -- two at Marshall as a head coach and 11 as a head coach at Florida.

"It's amazing how we fast-forward to the future," Donovan said. "Everyone talked about repeating as soon as we won and then we do and we're onto the next thing. At what point do we live life in the moment and enjoy it?"

"On Sunday, I had two hours of media and all I answered were questions about repeating, history and the significance of beating Ohio State and all of a sudden that's forgotten in 24 hours? I'm going to enjoy this."

Donovan will sit down with Florida's four juniors -- Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Corey Brewer and Taurean Green -- at some point in the next few weeks, but it might not be until after his return from the Dominican. He knows he'll have to deal with whether they are declaring for the NBA draft or not, assuming he is their coach.

The players, by the way, are expected back in class Wednesday.

It sounds to me like a man that will be listening to what UK has to say.

JaxRed
04-04-2007, 07:10 AM
The only reason Donovan will talk to Kentucky is to establish his market value.

Florida will then match it.

Donovan will announce Friday Night at the rally that he is staying.

Hoosier Red
04-04-2007, 08:39 AM
I hope you're right Jax. I really am not enthused at the thought of Kentucky getting a good coach.

MrsHammer
04-04-2007, 09:18 AM
Here is another good article that sort of makes me feel for the guy (Billy, that is). As an avid UK fan, I hope he does come our way. But, If he chooses not to, no hard feelings.



Decisions, decisions

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
April 3, 2007

Yahoo! Sports: Donovan's Next Move

ATLANTA – When he took over at Florida at age 30, with older coaches sniping at his credentials, Billy Donovan was certain of just one thing: He would outwork them all, driving this football school to basketball scenes like the one here Monday with consecutive championship confetti falling from the rafters.

He's a machine, Billy Donovan, never stopping, never resting. He is the single, solitary force that has turned Florida into the hottest basketball program in America. The Gators are historic back-to-back champions after an 84-75 dismantling of Ohio State, a win that has made Donovan the single, solitary candidate to take over the most hotly followed and historic basketball program in America, the University of Kentucky.

Donovan is quick to spread the credit for Florida's ascension to the top of the sport, but for all the talk about his boss and about facilities and commitment, this program is Billy Donovan's creation. These titles are the product of Billy Donovan's relentless pursuit of perfection.

"The sacrifice," said his wife, Christine. "So much sacrifice through the years."

You can't count the missed time with his wife and kids, the skipped dinners, the vacations that never happened. You can't fathom the extra days on the recruiting trail, the early morning workouts and all-night film sessions and the constant, 24-hour-a-day concentration on his job. Even in a business filled with Type-A personalities, Donovan simply overwhelms much of his competition.

He used to talk about how even when he was home he wasn't home – a cell phone constantly pressed against his ear, his mind on some practice plan not his kids. He used to say that he didn't even know how to enjoy the victories until the net was clipped, until a title was won.

He's no hearts and flowers kind of guy; he's all white-knuckle intensity, all about tomorrow, all about the job.

"Every ounce of his blood has gone into this program, to resurrect this program," said his dad, Bill Sr. "It took an unbelievable amount of work. He's not a multitasker. He can't focus on more than one thing at a time."

For 11 years, that single focus was doing this with Florida, crashing the Gators into the golden elite of the sport.

"I definitely think it took years off my life," Donovan said.

And so now, Donovan has to consider the rest of the years of his life and decide whether to harvest this powerhouse he created at Florida or take the job he has long dreamed of at storied Kentucky.

He has to decide whether he can walk away from all that work and turn his back on all those ounces of blood.

He has to decide just how great it is to be a Florida Gator.

Kentucky is coming now and Billy Donovan is going to listen because he spent his career waiting for them, working toward them. When he arrived in Lexington as a 24-year-old assistant under Rick Pitino for his first college coaching job, the entire Big Blue experience blew his mind.

The people camping out for Midnight Madness; the standing room only at Rupp Arena even for early season patsies; the all-encompassing interest in the program from Paintsville to Paducah.

He spent years talking about it with friends and family, dreaming of being the King of the Commonwealth, the program Pitino called the "Roman Empire of college basketball."

If Kentucky ever called, he used to tell them, he was answering.

"Things change," Bill Sr. said. "I don't know how it is at this time. Kentucky is a great program, has great tradition, is a great job. He enjoyed his five years in Kentucky. Now he gets to sit back and see where he wants to be with his family."

That there is even a decision is one byproduct of this run of success. Three years ago, when Gators fans were on him for five consecutive early tournament exits, when rival coaches were assailing his ethics, when the old school establishment was trying to keep him and his hard-charging self down, when something like back-to-back titles seemed farfetched, he would have been long gone.

Florida was Florida and Kentucky was Kentucky. But things do change. Florida is on fire and as much as postgame Donovan was talking about the challenges ahead, he knows it will be easier now. Not easy, but easier. The way it is easier to win at historic places such as Kentucky, North Carolina and UCLA.

Florida was no easy job when he got there. It wasn't the Sisters of the Poor, but the program still stands in the shadow of football. Fan support, even in the best of times, is a bit soft – the Gators sold out their 12,000-seat stadium just eight of 18 times this season.

In terms of recruiting to little Gainesville, you're always on an airplane, always going into the backyard of other schools to sign kids – none of Donovan's starting five hailed from within 300 miles of campus. Ohio State's were all within 180 miles of Columbus.

But now Florida means so much to so many young, star-struck recruits. This isn't 1996 or even 2004, when the heart of this team was signed. That's the thing that's changed.

If Donovan stays in Gainesville, he'll continue to win big. Only Bob Knight won two titles at a younger age and unlike Knight, Billy Donovan doesn't fish.

At 41, his drive is as all-out as ever. His mind, soon enough, will be on one more recruiting call, one more individual workout, one more task at hand. He has more blood to bleed.

"I feel like I, over the last 11 years, have left no stone unturned in trying to help the program," he said.

Can he walk from that? Can he walk from his own kingdom?

To a man, Donovan's friends and family say he hasn't spent more than a minute thinking seriously about Kentucky. As his dad said, he can't focus on more than one thing and winning this title was it.

But the future is now. Kentucky will break the bank, will offer creative enticements, business opportunities, anything he wants. Florida will match in as many ways as possible. In the end, as absurd as it is to say about a man being wooed by competing $25 to $30 million dollar contracts, it won't be about the money.

To leave UF he'll have to disappoint his athletic director Jeremy Foley and so many friends, so many players. To stay at UF, he'll have to disappoint so many friends in Kentucky, such as mega booster Seth Hancock – the legendary horseman, and a generation of former players he's still close with.

This one is going to be emotional for a mostly emotionless guy, a heart check for someone who thrives on cold, calculating decisions. The future of two programs and any number of future Final Fours rests on it.

Donovan can say the program at Florida is bigger than just him, but that really isn't true. If he stays, the Gators are going to be a contender for a long, long time. Kentucky will return to greatness even if Donovan says no, but he can make it happen in a hurry.

Two titles now and he's positioned himself as the most important person in college hoops; the future is in his hands, choosing between honoring spilt blood or old dreams.

"I'll tell you the truth," his dad said amid the celebratory chaos, "I don't know what he's going to do."



Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

WMR
04-04-2007, 10:59 AM
Billy, Billy, BILLY, BILLY

DTCromer
04-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Billy would be crazy to go to Lexington. Stay @UF with the beautiful weather, girls, and attract top notch recruits? Or go to Lexington where if you only beat a team by 7 points is almost considered a loss. UK isn't as good of a job people say it is. It's a good job, but it's not AS GOOD as UK fans say it is.

joshnky
04-04-2007, 12:14 PM
Billy would be crazy to go to Lexington. Stay @UF with the beautiful weather, girls, and attract top notch recruits? Or go to Lexington where if you only beat a team by 7 points is almost considered a loss. UK isn't as good of a job people say it is. It's a good job, but it's not AS GOOD as UK fans say it is.

I think it all defends on how you value a job. If the best job is determined by good pay, low pressure, and a good living environment then a school like Florida is a very good job. If you rate a job based on national profile, prestige, and top money then UK is top five with Duke, UNC, UCLA, and maybe Kansas. It seems that Donovan may be trying to decide between his pride which leads him to UK and the quality of life he has at Florida.

Razor Shines
04-04-2007, 12:32 PM
I hope you're right Jax. I really am not enthused at the thought of Kentucky getting a good coach.

Yeah me either.

I think that Donovan was being completely honest in that press conference though. And nothing he said came even close to ruling out going to Kentucky. He's said he's happy at Florida, and I'm sure he is, but that doesn't mean he won't be happy at UK either. Stay or go, I honestly wouldn't be surprised one way or the other.

Chip R
04-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Even if Donovan turns down the UK job now, doesn't mean he won't in the future. If Donovan isn't hired, whomever the new coach at UK is better live up to the expectations UK fans have of their program or else the new coach will be the former coach. Maybe 5 years down the road, Donovan will decide that it is time for a new challenge and UK might be that challenge he's looking for if the NBA isn't for him.

BRM
04-04-2007, 12:46 PM
I'm still holding out hope that UK hires Tommy Amaker.

Razor Shines
04-04-2007, 12:49 PM
I'm still holding out hope that UK hires Tommy Amaker.

Yeah let's start talking him up. He was great at Michigan, he just didn't get the right oportunities. He'd be great at UK, he's the perfect coach for them. I'm sure he could get some of his incoming UM recruits to follow him.

pedro
04-04-2007, 12:50 PM
The only reason Donovan will talk to Kentucky is to establish his market value.

Florida will then match it.

Donovan will announce Friday Night at the rally that he is staying.

That's what I think too.

Joseph
04-04-2007, 12:58 PM
I'm still holding out hope that UK hires Tommy Amaker.

Dislike UK that much huh? :)

WMR
04-04-2007, 01:02 PM
Dislike UK that much huh? :)

Think this is bad, wait till we're hanging up banners again. OSU thinks they get hate on... UK bball can give them a run for their money.

BRM
04-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Dislike UK that much huh? :)

Born and raised in Hoosier country.

NJReds
04-04-2007, 01:15 PM
My first reaction to this story was that Billy would stay at Florida, but after thinking about it I'm now of the opinion that he'll go to Kentucky.

He's been with Flordia for 11 years and taken them to the top. I think he wants a new challenge, and I'm not sure the pressure of Kentucky basketball will really bother him. He'll like the sold out arenas and not playing second fiddle to football.

His team is probably going to disband this year, with the top players graduating or going to the NBA. It'll be a clean break.

It may feel 'right' for him to stay at Florida in the afterglow of back-to-back titles. But when he's in the second year of rebuilding the program and they're in the NIT or getting bounced in the first round of the NCAA's, he'll regret not going to Kentucky, IMO.

I think he'll be on his way out of Florida.

DTCromer
04-04-2007, 01:34 PM
My first reaction to this story was that Billy would stay at Florida, but after thinking about it I'm now of the opinion that he'll go to Kentucky.

He's been with Flordia for 11 years and taken them to the top. I think he wants a new challenge, and I'm not sure the pressure of Kentucky basketball will really bother him. He'll like the sold out arenas and not playing second fiddle to football.

His team is probably going to disband this year, with the top players graduating or going to the NBA. It'll be a clean break.

It may feel 'right' for him to stay at Florida in the afterglow of back-to-back titles. But when he's in the second year of rebuilding the program and they're in the NIT or getting bounced in the first round of the NCAA's, he'll regret not going to Kentucky, IMO.

I think he'll be on his way out of Florida.

Florida may lose a lot next year, but they'll still be NCAA tourney worthy.

WVRed
04-04-2007, 02:33 PM
My first reaction to this story was that Billy would stay at Florida, but after thinking about it I'm now of the opinion that he'll go to Kentucky.

He's been with Flordia for 11 years and taken them to the top. I think he wants a new challenge, and I'm not sure the pressure of Kentucky basketball will really bother him. He'll like the sold out arenas and not playing second fiddle to football.

His team is probably going to disband this year, with the top players graduating or going to the NBA. It'll be a clean break.

It may feel 'right' for him to stay at Florida in the afterglow of back-to-back titles. But when he's in the second year of rebuilding the program and they're in the NIT or getting bounced in the first round of the NCAA's, he'll regret not going to Kentucky, IMO.

I think he'll be on his way out of Florida.

Noah, Horford, Brewer, and probably Green will all be NBA draft picks. Horford has possibly played himself into a top 5 pick while Noah already is there. Corey Brewer could be top 10 as well. Green with his play against Ohio St could have played himself into the first round.

A lot is going to depend on the players he gets in. If Donovan stays and Patterson commits, you are looking at a possible starting five of freshman Nick Calathes, Walter Hodge, Dan Werner, Patrick Patterson, and Maresse Speights. Not exactly the "Band of Brothers", but it would be better than what Kentucky is running out next year.


Even if Donovan turns down the UK job now, doesn't mean he won't in the future. If Donovan isn't hired, whomever the new coach at UK is better live up to the expectations UK fans have of their program or else the new coach will be the former coach. Maybe 5 years down the road, Donovan will decide that it is time for a new challenge and UK might be that challenge he's looking for if the NBA isn't for him.

Williams, Roy.

Matt700wlw
04-04-2007, 02:39 PM
Pat Summit has more wins and more NCAA Championships than any coach in college history....she can probably coach better than a lot of male coaches......

There you go, UK fans! :D

dabvu2498
04-04-2007, 02:47 PM
Pat Summit has more NCAA Championships than any coach in college history

John Wooden says hello.


she can probably coach better than a lot of male coaches......


No argument there.

NJReds
04-04-2007, 02:48 PM
Noah, Horford, Brewer, and probably Green will all be NBA draft picks. Horford has possibly played himself into a top 5 pick while Noah already is there. Corey Brewer could be top 10 as well. Green with his play against Ohio St could have played himself into the first round.

Different subject altogether, but I'm not convinced that Noah will be a very good pro. He'll get drafted, but I don't see him as a lottery pick. If anything, he hurt his value this year.

cincy jacket
04-04-2007, 03:42 PM
Looks like Memphis has offered Donovan $5 million per to come coach them. According to this article UK has decided to up their offer to $4 million a year.

http://www.wlky.com/news/11518890/detail.html

Matt700wlw
04-04-2007, 03:48 PM
John Wooden says hello.





Well, I was right on the wins part -- she's up there in Championships though :D

BRM
04-04-2007, 03:52 PM
I think Nolan Richardson is available.

dabvu2498
04-04-2007, 03:56 PM
Looks like Memphis has offered Donovan $5 million per to come coach them. According to this article UK has decided to up their offer to $4 million a year.

http://www.wlky.com/news/11518890/detail.html

I thought you meant the Memphis Tigers.

paintmered
04-04-2007, 03:57 PM
I thought you meant the Memphis Tigers.

Me too. And then I wondered why I hadn't heard anything about Calipari.

WMR
04-04-2007, 04:10 PM
Looks like Memphis has offered Donovan $5 million per to come coach them. According to this article UK has decided to up their offer to $4 million a year.

http://www.wlky.com/news/11518890/detail.html

The Article:
LEXINGTON, Ky. -- The Lexington CBS affiliate WKYT reports that Billy Donovan, the top choice to replace Tubby Smith as head men’s basketball coach at the University of Kentucky, has been offered a $5 million per year contract from the NBA’s Memphis Grizzlies.

The Grizzlies are currently the worst team in the NBA with a 19-57 record.

Sources have told WLKY that Donovan is expected to reject the offer, and that UK has offered Donovan $4 million to coach the Wildcats.

WMR
04-04-2007, 04:11 PM
I think Nolan Richardson is available.

Dude, seriously, I just ate. :barf:

BRM
04-04-2007, 04:14 PM
Dude, seriously, I just ate. :barf:

I'm just trying to help the Wildcats out. ;)

WMR
04-04-2007, 04:16 PM
Yeah you and Razor are just regular sweetie pies aren't ya... how nice of our Hoosier friends to be so willing to assist us in our coaching search!!

With friends like these... :laugh:

BRM
04-04-2007, 04:24 PM
Yeah you and Razor are just regular sweetie pies aren't ya... how nice of our Hoosier friends to be so willing to assist us in our coaching search!!

With friends like these... :laugh:

Hey, what are friends for?

Ricardo Patton is looking for work too. He's WAY underrated as a coach...

Puffy
04-04-2007, 04:35 PM
Different subject altogether, but I'm not convinced that Noah will be a very good pro. He'll get drafted, but I don't see him as a lottery pick. If anything, he hurt his value this year.

If I were a pro team give me Noah any day of the week. High energy, does the little things like rebounds and passes well, always hustles.

Kinda like Renaldo Balkman, only with talent.

I hate Isiah :bang:

NJReds
04-04-2007, 05:03 PM
If I were a pro team give me Noah any day of the week. High energy, does the little things like rebounds and passes well, always hustles.

Kinda like Renaldo Balkman, only with talent.

I hate Isiah :bang:


That's fine. But he's not a top-5 pick, IMO.

I hate Isiah, too. But Balkman's played halfway decent (or at least he looks halfway decent with the other assortment of 'talent' around him) At least he plays hard.

Puffy
04-04-2007, 05:08 PM
That's fine. But he's not a top-5 pick, IMO.

I hate Isiah, too. But Balkman's played halfway decent (or at least he looks halfway decent with the other assortment of 'talent' around him) At least he plays hard.

Well, that depends on the team. Noah is never going to be a superstar, on that I agree. But he will be an above average NBAer and is a much safer pick than a guy like either of the Wright boys (Julian or Brandon). Now I really like the Wright boys, especially Brandon as I am a UNC fan, but right now they are solely talent based picks, Noah is a guy who can come in and start almost right away. Plus give you energy. And rebounds. And 10 points a night.

As for Balkman, he's OK I guess. Still not worth the 21st pick in the draft. Not when he'd have been around at 29.

NJReds
04-04-2007, 05:11 PM
As for Balkman, he's OK I guess. Still not worth the 21st pick in the draft. Not when he'd have been around at 29.

I agree. They could've had the PG Williams (that's on the Nets) at 21 and Balkman at 29. The Balkman pick has overshadowed the useless PG from Temple who they took at 29...who's name escapes me.

I don't know why a subject myself to watching the Knicks. It'd be like watching the Reds if Milton started every game and Danny Graves was the closer.

Puffy
04-04-2007, 05:14 PM
I agree. They could've had the PG Williams (that's on the Nets) at 21 and Balkman at 29. The Balkman pick has overshadowed the useless PG from Temple who they took at 29...who's name escapes me.

I don't know why a subject myself to watching the Knicks. It'd be like watching the Reds if Milton started every game and Danny Graves was the closer.

Marde Collins. He's just useless.

cincy jacket
04-04-2007, 05:22 PM
I thought you meant the Memphis Tigers.

Sorry about that I should have been more specific. I can't decide if it's good or bad the more this search drags on. Worse case is this things goes on three weeks Donovan decides to stay or go pro and in the mean time Patterson and Lucas get tired of waiting and commit elsewhere. Then on top of that we get stuck with someone like Few or Crean.

DTCromer
04-04-2007, 05:33 PM
If I were a pro team give me Noah any day of the week. High energy, does the little things like rebounds and passes well, always hustles.

Kinda like Renaldo Balkman, only with talent.

I hate Isiah :bang:



Noah could've been the top pick last year but decided to stay and win another ring. . . which is fine by me. But he lost a lot on the draft boards by staying because I think he regressed as the year went along.

If a team valued a high-energy guy so much, Mark Madsen would've been a lottery pick. Ironically, Mark Madsen is still a better dancer than Noah.

TeamSelig
04-04-2007, 05:40 PM
Draft express has Noah going to the Sixers at #6. They have the Suns with the #4 pick... I could see them picking Noah, but I don't about that early.

cincy jacket
04-04-2007, 05:43 PM
Draft express has Noah going to the Sixers at #6. They have the Suns with the #4 pick... I could see them picking Noah, but I don't about that early.


Brewer seems to me like a guy that would fit perfect in the Suns system.

dabvu2498
04-04-2007, 05:51 PM
Just remember that we haven't had the great ping-ball drop yet, so we don't know in what order the draft will actually occur yet.

PS: I love www.nbadraft.net too.

Puffy
04-04-2007, 05:59 PM
Noah could've been the top pick last year but decided to stay and win another ring. . . which is fine by me. But he lost a lot on the draft boards by staying because I think he regressed as the year went along.

If a team valued a high-energy guy so much, Mark Madsen would've been a lottery pick. Ironically, Mark Madsen is still a better dancer than Noah.

Let me be clear - I'm not saying Noah is a top 5 pick. I'm just saying that I think he will be a very good NBA player. I am not talking all-star, more like a Shane Battier.

And Noah and Madsen aren't in the same arena basketball wise. Noah has offensive moves, can block shots and is a good free throw shooter. Madsen is a rebounder and a guy who'll use fouls. Just cause they both have energy doesn't make them a valid comparasion

Boss-Hog
04-04-2007, 10:30 PM
And Noah and Madsen aren't in the same arena basketball wise. Noah has offensive moves, can block shots and is a good free throw shooter.

He is? :)

Cedric
04-04-2007, 10:55 PM
You don't pick up a high energy guy in the lottery. Quite frankly I don't listen to many people when they talk about the NBA draft anymore. People were honestly talking about taking Kevin Durant over Greg Oden. That was high comedy and there is absolutely no chance of that happening.

Almost as laughable as the Carmelo vs Lebron debate of a few years ago. Sport talk hosts and call in fans just don't get it. Unless you have Michael Jordan you don't win titles in the NBA. Look at the list and you see a ton of Robinson/Duncan/Oneal/Parrish/Jabbar names.

Puffy
04-04-2007, 11:25 PM
He is? :)

He is low 70's - not bad for a big guy. He looks horible, but its actually quite effective.

Puffy
04-04-2007, 11:29 PM
You don't pick up a high energy guy in the lottery. Quite frankly I don't listen to many people when they talk about the NBA draft anymore. People were honestly talking about taking Kevin Durant over Greg Oden. That was high comedy and there is absolutely no chance of that happening.

Almost as laughable as the Carmelo vs Lebron debate of a few years ago. Sport talk hosts and call in fans just don't get it. Unless you have Michael Jordan you don't win titles in the NBA. Look at the list and you see a ton of Robinson/Duncan/Oneal/Parrish/Jabbar names.

You do know the lottery is 13 picks deep right?

And yes, its "high comedy" to question whether a the first freshman to ever win the Naismith award is worthy of the number 1 pick.

You sure are funny Cedric! Not in a ha ha way. More in a different way.

macro
04-04-2007, 11:39 PM
I'm not sure whether this is news or not, but the reports are out that UK has asked for permission to speak to Donovan and that the Florida AD has granted that permission. I think it was a given that this was going to happen, though, so probably not that newsworthy.

Cedric
04-04-2007, 11:52 PM
You do know the lottery is 13 picks deep right?

And yes, its "high comedy" to question whether a the first freshman to ever win the Naismith award is worthy of the number 1 pick.

You sure are funny Cedric! Not in a ha ha way. More in a different way.

Greg Oden would have to had broke both his legs to go second in the NBA draft. That or Elgin Baylor takes over the team picking first.

And I really didn't know you thought Durant would go over Oden or that it was possible. I was talking about sports radio fans mostly. Sorry if that came off as a personal attack.

Jpup
04-05-2007, 05:52 AM
Then on top of that we get stuck with someone like Few or Crean.

...and that would be bad for UK? Both of those guys are great coaches. Mark Few would be my top choice if I was UK and Donovan says no.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 10:07 AM
Greg Oden would have to had broke both his legs to go second in the NBA draft. That or Elgin Baylor takes over the team picking first.

And I really didn't know you thought Durant would go over Oden or that it was possible. I was talking about sports radio fans mostly. Sorry if that came off as a personal attack.

Actually I didn't - I always thought Oden was number 1.

My point was, though, that Durant is special. Special in the Dirk N type way. He's Dirk or Kevin Garnett and if a team took him number 1, well its not like Mario over Reggie Bush type stupid. I'd still take Oden, but I think the argument at least has some merit.

Think of it this way - and forget that Sam Bowie was the number 2 pick - but if the Rockets had chosen Jordan over Hakeem would it have been that bad? Hakeem was a franchise center. Better at the time of the draft than Oden and top 4 center all time. But Jordan is Jordan. Are the rockets upset - hell no, they won two titles with Hakeem, but there is an argument there.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 11:01 AM
Durant is no Jordan

Puffy
04-05-2007, 11:09 AM
No one is Jordan - but Durant is special. How can you guys claim to be basketball fans and watch this kid and not see how truly good he is.

He's 6'9 with a smooth, fluid outside shot. He already has NBA 3 range at 19 years old. He has moves in the post that a guy with his jump shot shouldn't have.

Seriously, he's a little Dirk, a little KG and a little McGrady. He's a perennial all-star.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 11:31 AM
His defense is a little cause for concern, but he is definitely good.

He has alot of wingspan, but how is he going to guard athletic SFs in the NBA, who are about as tall as him? He is quick but has no strength what so ever, and really doesn't have the build to gain alot of weight.

Then again, the NBA doesn't really play D anymore so he should be fine.

EDIT - i'm not saying he isn't going to be good, because he will be, just saying he isn't a lock to be a superstar

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 11:47 AM
Then again, the NBA doesn't really play D anymore so he should be fine.



I keep wondering where this notion comes from.

Search at http://databasebasketball.com/leaders/teamseasonsearch.htm shows me that in the last 30 years, of the 50 highest scoring teams (by season), exactly none of them have come from any year after 1991-92.

That's zero (0) in the last 15 years.

Sorting teams by field goal percentage, of the top 50, the most recent is the 1996-97 Utah Jazz at #38.

So I'm curious, if there's no defense played in the NBA, why team scoring averages and shooting percentages are down.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 12:02 PM
Interesting.... I was just going by watching the games. There are a ton of guys who just stand and watch, or so it seems. Maybe its because there are less dominate centers in the league, and most points are coming from 3s and long shots???

Anyways, I think Durant is going to be like a Rashard Lewis. Potential up to T-Mac, but I think he will end up being more of a Lewis.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 12:02 PM
I keep wondering where this notion comes from.

Search at http://databasebasketball.com/leaders/teamseasonsearch.htm shows me that in the last 30 years, of the 50 highest scoring teams (by season), exactly none of them have come from any year after 1991-92.

That's zero (0) in the last 15 years.

Sorting teams by field goal percentage, of the top 50, the most recent is the 1996-97 Utah Jazz at #38.

So I'm curious, if there's no defense played in the NBA, why team scoring averages and shooting percentages are down.

I honestly think it's because of the one on one style of play. The NBA has gone away from ball movement and shooting and gone to slowing it down and having one guy try to get his own shot until he absolutely has to pass.

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 12:08 PM
I honestly think it's because of the one on one style of play. The NBA has gone away from ball movement and shooting and gone to slowing it down and having one guy try to get his own shot until he absolutely has to pass.


Agreed. My point was to dispute the idea that there is no defense played in the NBA anymore.


If you want to watch some no-defense-playing fools, check out the Denver Nuggets, early 1980s style. Alex English and Kiki Vandeweghe played NO D. And most of those years, they weren't too awful bad.

Blimpie
04-05-2007, 12:13 PM
...and that would be bad for UK? Both of those guys are great coaches. Mark Few would be my top choice if I was UK and Donovan says no.I've always heard that Few was holding off for his dream job--the Arizona Wildcats--not Kentucky.

Of course, Lute Olsen hasn't exactly put out the vibe that he is ready to step down.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 12:19 PM
Agreed. My point was to dispute the idea that there is no defense played in the NBA anymore.


If you want to watch some no-defense-playing fools, check out the Denver Nuggets, early 1980s style. Alex English and Kiki Vandeweghe played NO D. And most of those years, they weren't too awful bad.

Yeah, that was a fun team.

Almost as fun as the Loyola Marymount team of Hank Gaithers and Bo Kimble.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 12:24 PM
Anyways, I think Durant is going to be like a Rashard Lewis. Potential up to T-Mac, but I think he will end up being more of a Lewis.

Fair enough, TS!

I really think he ends up better than Lewis though. A lot better. We shall see, I guess.

Matt700wlw
04-05-2007, 12:34 PM
According to this...Donovan isn't going anywhere

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2826756

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 12:42 PM
:'(

Stupid Billly, getting my hopes up.

So now who is on the agenda?

Blimpie
04-05-2007, 12:55 PM
It's all over but the crying.....


Thursday, April 5, 2007
Donovan will stay put as Florida coach

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By Andy Katz
ESPN.com

Billy Donovan, three days removed from leading Florida to a second consecutive national championship, will remain the Gators' coach and not make himself available to interview for the opening at SEC rival Kentucky.

Donovan told Kentucky athletics director Mitch Barnhart early Thursday morning by phone that he wasn't interested in leaving Florida. Florida athletics director Jeremy Foley told ESPN.com that he and Donovan also met Thursday.

In recounting that meeting, "He said, 'This my home, Jeremy. I love the University of Florida. I love you. I had a chance to talk to [wife] Christine and I'm not going anywhere."

Donovan and Foley will discuss terms of a contract extension for the coach after Donovan returns from a planned week-long vacation to the Dominican Republic. Donovan will leave the country Saturday.

"Obviously we've been talking," Foley said. Donovan has two years remaining on his contract. "Friday is about the celebration [for the title] and then he's [vacationing]. This is where he wants to be."

Barnhart left a message for Foley on Wednesday seeking permission to talk to Donovan, but Foley did not want a Donovan-Barnhart conversation to occur until speaking with Donovan himself.

The Wildcats will now move on in their search to find Tubby Smith's replacement. Their search likely will start with Texas' Rick Barnes and possibly include Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Marquette's Tom Crean, Texas A&M's Billy Gillispie and Gonzaga's Mark Few. If Barnes and Izzo are not interested, it's not expected to get past the other three if offered.

Meanwhile, the four Florida juniors -- Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Corey Brewer and Taurean Green -- may make their announcements that they're leaving school to enter the NBA draft either later Thursday or Friday prior to Florida's on-campus celebration of winning the national title.

Information from ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach was used in this report.

Joseph
04-05-2007, 01:07 PM
I can't fault him for staying at a place he built, but in his lifetime it will never surpass what he could have done at UK.

WMR
04-05-2007, 01:11 PM
I'd prefer Few over Gillispie and Crean.

CrackerJack
04-05-2007, 01:20 PM
Hehe, good decision for Billy - why anyone would want to put up with the unrealistic and arrogant standards of the UK fan base is beyond me. (no offense to their more elusive, level-headed fans)

I'd stay in sunny Florida with my back-to-back champsionships and long term job security too.

joshnky
04-05-2007, 01:23 PM
If I was a UK fan I would be screaming if they pursue Rick Barnes. He may be one of the best recruiters around but he can't coach at all. This is a guy who has had TJ Ford, Lamarcus Aldridge, and now Durant and has never been able to win big. This years team was young but it was loaded and they still lost 10 games and were upset by USC. Tubby lost 11 games against a more difficult schedule. He may be the anti-Tubby: good recruiter and horrible coach compared to Tubby as a horrible recruiter and good coach.

Seeing that I can't stand UK I'm really hoping they hire Barnes. You'll get the top players but also the losses.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 01:32 PM
2= getting to hear Andy Katz and Dick Vitale eat crow
:beerme:


So, how do you like your crow? Rare, medium or well done?

LoganBuck
04-05-2007, 01:33 PM
I can't fault him for staying at a place he built, but in his lifetime it will never surpass what he could have done at UK.

How do you say that? He already has 2 titles, and more great recruits on the way. In all his greatness Adolph Rupp had 4 NCAA titles, and one NIT title in 40 years. What kind of greatness were you expecting him to achieve that he can't do at Florida?

joshnky
04-05-2007, 01:36 PM
So, how do you like your crow? Rare, medium or well done?

I despise those guys and many of the egotistic talking heads at ESPN but they were right. Hey, maybe they don't hate Kentucky as much as Cats fan attest and in fact they were just taking an unbiased look in assessing the situation. :dunno:

cincy jacket
04-05-2007, 01:43 PM
My wishful thinking top four for the job at this point:

1. Pearl
2. Caliparri
3. D'Antoni
4. Izzo

Chip R
04-05-2007, 01:47 PM
I despise those guys and many of the egotistic talking heads at ESPN but they were right. Hey, maybe they don't hate Kentucky as much as Cats fan attest and in fact they were just taking an unbiased look in assessing the situation. :dunno:


Yep. I don't think Vitale hates any school. I think he loves them all. You see him every year on the selection show and he says all the teams on the bubble should get in. He would probably let every team in if he were boss. He may have a lot of love for Duke but I don't think that means he hates UK or any other school. I think fans get their hackles up when the talking heads speculate that so and so won't go to their school. It's not because that they hate that school but they just objectively believe that that coach won't go there.

joshnky
04-05-2007, 01:48 PM
My wishful thinking top four for the job at this point:

1. Pearl
2. Caliparri
3. D'Antoni
4. Izzo

Why do UK fans want D'Antoni? He has never coached in college so he has no experience recruiting and you would have to wait until after the NBA playoffs to offer the job to him. Its tough to sign recruits 2 months before the fall semester.

WMR
04-05-2007, 01:49 PM
What rankled me about Dicky V recently was his continued worship of Tubster when the program had been declining for the past five or so seasons. He totally ignored all the stats demonstrating how UK was no longer a top-tier program and just kissed Tubby's *** like it was his job.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 01:54 PM
What rankled me about Dicky V recently was his continued worship of Tubster when the program had been declining for the past five or so seasons. He totally ignored all the stats demonstrating how UK was no longer a top-tier program and just kissed Tubby's *** like it was his job.


So what. The man's entitled to his opinion. He's a national announcer and he probably thinks that what Tubby accomplished there was good enough for anyplace but UK. And if UK is no longer an elite program, why would Donovan even go there? No wonder Donovan didn't go to UK.

WMR
04-05-2007, 01:58 PM
Yeah he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion of why I consider him a dumb boob.

UK will always be an elite basketball school. The UK bball program under Tubby was no longer elite. BIG difference.

macro
04-05-2007, 02:04 PM
He's a national announcer and he probably thinks that what Tubby accomplished there was good enough for anyplace but UK. And if UK is no longer an elite program, why would Donovan even go there? No wonder Donovan didn't go to UK.

If he thinks that what Tubby accomplished there was good enough for anyplace but UK, he is dead wrong. What Tubby accomplished at Kentucky would not have been good enough at Duke, North Carolina, or Kansas, for starters, and possibly other places, as well. If UK is no longer an elite program, then who has been responsible for that lowering of status?

I'm not pointing these questions at you, Chip, but rather at those who defend Tubby on one hand and delcare that UK is no longer an elite program on the other.

I'm pretty disappointed by Donovan's decision, but oh, well...

Like I said earlier, there was no guarantee that Donovan would win two titles at Kentucky, and there's no guarantee that someone else won't.

WMR
04-05-2007, 02:07 PM
If he thinks that what Tubby accomplished there was good enough for anyplace but UK, he is dead wrong. What Tubby accomplished at Kentucky would not have been good enough at Duke, North Carolina, or Kansas, for starters, and possibly other places, as well. If UK is no longer an elite program, then who has been responsible for that lowering of status?

Excellent post and well-stated, Mac, 100% agreed. :clap:

Jpup
04-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Tom Izzo
Rick Barnes
Tom Crean
Mark Few
Bill Gillispie

I think UK has some decent options if those guys are available. I'm not sure that most of those guys wouldn't be just as good.

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 02:45 PM
Rick Barnes :runawaycr :runawaycr :runawaycr

WMR
04-05-2007, 02:52 PM
Rick Barnes :runawaycr :runawaycr :runawaycr

What do you mean by that, Dab?

Puffy
04-05-2007, 02:58 PM
Yep. I don't think Vitale hates any school. I think he loves them all. You see him every year on the selection show and he says all the teams on the bubble should get in. He would probably let every team in if he were boss. He may have a lot of love for Duke but I don't think that means he hates UK or any other school. I think fans get their hackles up when the talking heads speculate that so and so won't go to their school. It's not because that they hate that school but they just objectively believe that that coach won't go there.

Dick Vitale just loves college basketball - how people still hate him when its clear what he does is not an act, not some schtick, its genuine love for the game, the kids, the coaches.

I used to hate him too - thought he was annoying. But when I realized that was him (and how genuine he was about Jimmy V) I turned the corner and now I just love when he calls a game I wanna watch.

Plus Billy Packer is jealous of him, so big props there!

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 03:00 PM
What do you mean by that, Dab?

Career .614 winning %, according to UT's website, (compared to Tubby's .733). I think he's not such a good game coach.

Fine recruiter. No denying that.

MrsHammer
04-05-2007, 03:23 PM
:cry:

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 03:57 PM
WilyMo was spot on, Dickie V is in fact, a dumb boob

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:01 PM
My wishful thinking top four for the job at this point:

1. Pearl
2. Caliparri
3. D'Antoni
4. Izzo

My wishful thinking top five for the UK job:

1. Nolan Richardson
2. Tommy Amaker
3. Ricardo Patton
4. Quinn Snyder
5. Mike Davis

Cedric
04-05-2007, 04:06 PM
My wishful thinking top five for the UK job:

1. Nolan Richardson
2. Tommy Amaker
3. Ricardo Patton
4. Quinn Snyder
5. Mike Davis

Todd Bozeman is my choice

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:07 PM
Todd Bozeman is my choice

A great choice!

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:07 PM
My wishful thinking top five for the UK job:

1. Nolan Richardson
2. Tommy Amaker
3. Ricardo Patton
4. Quinn Snyder
5. Mike Davis

That looks right to me, I might bump Mike Davis up a few spots though. He'd be so good at Kentucky if they'd just give him a chance. He'd have controll of the team like no body else could.

WMR
04-05-2007, 04:08 PM
My wishful thinking top five for the UK job:

1. Nolan Richardson
2. Tommy Amaker
3. Ricardo Patton
4. Quinn Snyder
5. Mike Davis

As long as our next coach is well versed in NCAA PHONE CALL restrictions!! :mooner:

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:08 PM
Yep. I don't think Vitale hates any school. I think he loves them all. You see him every year on the selection show and he says all the teams on the bubble should get in. He would probably let every team in if he were boss. He may have a lot of love for Duke but I don't think that means he hates UK or any other school. I think fans get their hackles up when the talking heads speculate that so and so won't go to their school. It's not because that they hate that school but they just objectively believe that that coach won't go there.

I agree. I think he's genuine. And people may think he's a dumb boob but he was right about Donovan.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 04:08 PM
Not real big on knowing alot about coaches, but I looked them up.

Wow... pretty good coach so it seems, not sure about the racist stuff though, and how it would bode well in Kentucky. I loved a comment that described his defense as "40 minutes of hell"...

Amaker seems okay, #2 recruiting class in 2000, but hasn't done anything with Michigan since. Not a coach I'd like to see.

Didn't find anything for Patton ??? Colorado though? Yuck...

MIKE DAVIS!?!?!?!? Tell me that was a freaking joke.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:11 PM
Not real big on knowing alot about coaches, but I looked them up.

Wow... pretty good coach so it seems, not sure about the racist stuff though, and how it would bode well in Kentucky. I loved a comment that described his defense as "40 minutes of hell"...

Amaker seems okay, #2 recruiting class in 2000, but hasn't done anything with Michigan since. Not a coach I'd like to see.

Didn't find anything for Patton ??? Colorado though? Yuck...

MIKE DAVIS!?!?!?!? Tell me that was a freaking joke.

No, no Mike Davis is great. The media and the Hoosier fans just made him look bad. You'll love him in Lexington.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 04:12 PM
Not real big on knowing alot about coaches, but I looked them up.

Wow... pretty good coach so it seems, not sure about the racist stuff though, and how it would bode well in Kentucky. I loved a comment that described his defense as "40 minutes of hell"...

Amaker seems okay, #2 recruiting class in 2000, but hasn't done anything with Michigan since. Not a coach I'd like to see.

Didn't find anything for Patton ??? Colorado though? Yuck...

MIKE DAVIS!?!?!?!? Tell me that was a freaking joke.

The whole post was a joke, I believe. He is not a Kentucky fan and he was naming coaches to keep them middle of the road.

Right BRM?

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 04:12 PM
lol okay I guess i'm just dumb then.... I just really don't know a whole lot about coaches

WMR
04-05-2007, 04:13 PM
TS, Razor and BRM are what we in KY call the scum of the Earth. ;)

In other words: Hoosier fans.

Their recommendations are attempts to derail our return to greatness!!

Joseph
04-05-2007, 04:13 PM
Not only not a Kentucky fan, but a Kentucky hater [said in the nicest way].

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 04:14 PM
Lets just steal Pitino back

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:14 PM
What has he done that is so good? He couldn't do ANYTHING with that Indiana team.

Are you not a Kentucky fan or something? Just wondering.

He took the Hoosiers to the national title game. Some will tell you that that team coached itself, but don't be fooled it was all Davis. And he brought in great recruits like Bracey Wright. And he always let them know who was boss.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 04:15 PM
My wishful thinking top five for the UK job:

1. Nolan Richardson
2. Tommy Amaker
3. Ricardo Patton
4. Quinn Snyder
5. Mike Davis



Eddie Sutton is tanned, rested and ready to come back to Lexington.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 04:15 PM
Yeah, yeah. Jokes on me. I thought you guys were serious about Davis though. Whew.

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Kentucky hater? Me? Whatever gave you that idea?

Mike Davis is a fabulous recruiter! He'll take the Wildcats to the next level. That's a sincere endorsement...

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:19 PM
Yeah, yeah. Jokes on me. I thought you guys were serious about Davis though. Whew.

We are serious about Davis. Great recruiter, had the Hoosiers in the title game, tough disciplinarian, great with the press. He's your man.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:22 PM
We are serious about Davis. Great recruiter, had the Hoosiers in the title game, tough disciplinarian, great with the press. He's your man.

I can't even remember how many times I heard him say in a press conference something like "I can't make them run the plays I call."

WMR
04-05-2007, 04:22 PM
Kentucky hater? Me? Whatever gave you that idea?

Mike Davis is a fabulous recruiter! He'll take the Wildcats to the next level. That's a sincere endorsement...


http://swords-of-erisa.tripod.com/erisa/Tazer.jpg

Joseph
04-05-2007, 04:23 PM
We are serious about Davis. Great recruiter, had the Hoosiers in the title game, tough disciplinarian, great with the press. He's your man.

On a serious note, did he not at one point say he hated Kentucky?

WMR
04-05-2007, 04:24 PM
He took the Hoosiers to the national title game. Some will tell you that that team coached itself, but don't be fooled it was all Davis. And he brought in great recruits like Bracey Wright. And he always let them know who was boss.

http://carmenli.com/gallery/Whip.jpg

Artist's work entitled:"Allegory for UK vs. Indiana All-Time"

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:24 PM
On a serious note, did he not at one point say he hated Kentucky?

I think he did. He played at Alabama so I'm sure there was some animosity there.

macro
04-05-2007, 04:27 PM
I just took a look at Rick Barnes' career record, since he's being touted by the media as the next choice, and I am UNIMPRESSED! What exactly has he done to deserve this status as the second choice?

Please, no Barnes!

WMR
04-05-2007, 04:32 PM
I think my top two choices are Mark Few and Tom Izzo.

As good as Mark Few has done recruiting at Gonzaga, hopefully he'd carry those west coast connections with him and hire some assistants who know the south.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 05:22 PM
I don't think Mark Few is going to leave Gonzaga - just a feeling I have. Not yet anyway.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 05:40 PM
I don't think Mark Few is going to leave Gonzaga - just a feeling I have. Not yet anyway.


How dare you suggest that Mark Few wouldn't take the UK job. You hate UK and all it stands for and are a boob. ;)

BRM
04-05-2007, 05:43 PM
How dare you suggest that Mark Few wouldn't take the UK job. You hate UK and all it stands for and are a boob. ;)

:laugh:

I can practically gaurantee that Mike Davis would take the UK job. ;)

Blimpie
04-05-2007, 05:46 PM
At this point, I think Pat Summitt would be a safe choice.

BRM
04-05-2007, 05:52 PM
At this point, I think Pat Summitt would be a safe choice.

Cedric may have had the best recommendation of the thread - Todd Bozeman.

WMR
04-05-2007, 05:52 PM
How dare you suggest that Mark Few wouldn't take the UK job. You hate UK and all it stands for and are a boob. ;)

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying. :rolleyes:

WMR
04-05-2007, 05:56 PM
Can we get some Troll-Raid for this thread?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/de/250px-Troll.jpg

http://www.americarx.com/ProductImages/americarxphotos/sep05/4week/206128.jpg

:mooner:

BRM
04-05-2007, 05:58 PM
Here's your guy WilyMo

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sports/hh/md/_ul_jj_davis0211+Z.jpg

WMR
04-05-2007, 05:59 PM
http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/people/k/knight_bob/knight-chair.jpg

WVRed
04-05-2007, 06:00 PM
I just took a look at Rick Barnes' career record, since he's being touted by the media as the next choice, and I am UNIMPRESSED! What exactly has he done to deserve this status as the second choice?

Please, no Barnes!

He recruited Kevin Durant, TJ Ford, and LaMarcus Aldridge, among others.

That being said, he has no championships to show for it.

He is the anti-Tubby.

paintmered
04-05-2007, 06:13 PM
I can't fault him for staying at a place he built, but in his lifetime it will never surpass what he could have done at UK.

There's something else besides winning consecutive championships? :confused:

Reds4Life
04-05-2007, 06:43 PM
I think my top two choices are Mark Few and Tom Izzo.

As good as Mark Few has done recruiting at Gonzaga, hopefully he'd carry those west coast connections with him and hire some assistants who know the south.

Few is a life long west coaster, he ain't leaving. He's turned down several power conference jobs on the left coast in the past too.

WVRed
04-05-2007, 07:02 PM
There's something else besides winning consecutive championships? :confused:

What do Ed Jucker and Phil Woolpert have in common?

Now tell me, what does John Wooden, Coach K, and Adolph Rupp have in common?

Answer:All of these men have won back to back NCAA tournament titles. However, I would venture to say that if you asked most sports fans, nobody would be able to identify Jucker at UC or Woolpert at San Francisco.

Winning back to back national championships is great, but the program has a lot of bearing on who is remembered.

paintmered
04-05-2007, 07:10 PM
What do Ed Jucker and Phil Woolpert have in common?

Now tell me, what does John Wooden, Coach K, and Adolph Rupp have in common?

Answer:All of these men have won back to back NCAA tournament titles. However, I would venture to say that if you asked most sports fans, nobody would be able to identify Jucker at UC or Woolpert at San Francisco.

Winning back to back national championships is great, but the program has a lot of bearing on who is remembered.

So if Coach K were to move to an SEC school not named Kentucky, he would be viewed in a lesser light? I think not. Likewise, the assumption that Donovan can't achieve that status while at Florida is wrong.

Coaches make the school in basketball, not the other way around.

DTCromer
04-05-2007, 07:44 PM
Barnes is overrated. He's had so many athletes, yet so few big wins. You think UK is going to get on Tubby? Wait til Barnes is in his 4th year with top notch recruits and losing in the Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

CrackerJack
04-05-2007, 07:48 PM
What do Ed Jucker and Phil Woolpert have in common?

Now tell me, what does John Wooden, Coach K, and Adolph Rupp have in common?

Answer:All of these men have won back to back NCAA tournament titles. However, I would venture to say that if you asked most sports fans, nobody would be able to identify Jucker at UC or Woolpert at San Francisco.

Winning back to back national championships is great, but the program has a lot of bearing on who is remembered.


Now if we would jump forward into our lifetimes, and a coach at a "lesser" school did this, most would indeed remember I think.

I think your point is that the UK fan base and Lexington would idolize him much more so than Florida fans will/would. You'd be suprised how little people care or pay attention to UK outside of Lexington or their fan base. Most people couldn't even tell you off the top of their head which year Tubby won a championship - or if he even did I'm guessing.

But at the same time, when Billy has a down season or two at Florida, as all coaches do no matter who they are or where they coach (see Duke lately) he won't be run out of town and lose sleep over it. Can't put a price on that, and even the illustrious UK can't replace the happiness and health of yourself and your family.

I recall Tubby's comment just after accepting the Minnesota job - indicating that he got a full night's sleep for the first time that he could remember. Who would want to live like that?

Honestly I cannot see why anyone would want the UK job these days. You can never satisfy the unrealistic and obsessive expectations of that fan base - a guy like Pitino was smart and left at the right time.

I went to school in Kentucky and lived with and hung out with UK fans left and right - and I know what it's like down there.

I honestly feel sorry for whomever takes that job right now.

IslandRed
04-05-2007, 07:50 PM
I can really see both sides of this.

The truth of the matter is, with so much football money floating around and NCAA Tournament money out there and ESPN covering everyone that breathes, being a basketball school is no longer a prerequisite for building a top-tier basketball program. It helps, but it's not required. Having won back-to-back championships at Florida, it's hard to come up with a good reason why Donovan needs to go to UK or anywhere else.

At the same time, coaches at the top of the profession usually, eventually, end up at places that eat, sleep and breathe basketball just like they do, as opposed to a place where they slap you on the back, say "great job" and go back to talking about the football team. With the pressure and expectations of UK, UNC or Kansas comes the sort of ego-feeding 24/7/365 attention that some guys shrink from and others lap up.

jmac
04-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Donovan made his choice knowing he was losing his starting 5.
The guy must really like Fla or he will be having a big extension announced shortly.

WVRed
04-05-2007, 09:26 PM
Barnes is overrated. He's had so many athletes, yet so few big wins. You think UK is going to get on Tubby? Wait til Barnes is in his 4th year with top notch recruits and losing in the Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

I think there was another reason that people were quick to jump the gun on Tubby, but the Peanut Gallery would be the best place to talk about that elephant.

Barnes has already turned Kentucky down, so its a non issue now. I look for Crean or Few to be announced either tomorrow or next week.:(

jmac
04-05-2007, 10:21 PM
For what it's worth :


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Reported over the radio during the A&M baseball game:
"Dave South just read a release from Alan Cannon, indicating that at 7 pm, Mitch Barnhardt contacted Byrne and asked for permission to speak to Billy Gillispie. Byrne granted his request."


IMO.....this guy has the Crean's and Few's beat.

macro
04-05-2007, 10:38 PM
Barnes has already turned Kentucky down, so its a non issue now.

That's good news as far as I'm concerned.


I look for Crean or Few to be announced either tomorrow or next week.:(

Crean would make me no more happy than Barnes would have. Few would be good, but my top choice right now is Izzo followed closely by Gillispie.

George Foster
04-05-2007, 11:02 PM
Donovan made his choice knowing he was losing his starting 5.
The guy must really like Fla or he will be having a big extension announced shortly.

I wanted him to come to Kentucky, because he is one of the top 5 coaches IMP. With that being said, I don't fault him for wanting to stay in Florida. He has 4 kids in school. He and his wife actually started ($$$) the Catholic school their children attend. both sets of grandparents have moved (winter time) to Gainsville. He did not reject Kentucky, he just wanted to stay in Florida. I truely feel, if his kids were older or a lot younger, he would have come to Kentucky.

If I were offered another 50K a year to move to Gainsville, I would not go for the exact same reasons. My kids are in school, both sets of grandparents are 5 miles away. It would not be a big deal for me personally to move, but would be a hardship on my family. I wish Donovan the best, because he is the best.

Playadlc
04-05-2007, 11:16 PM
John Pelphrey.

And yes, I am dead serious.

He would do a phenomenal job at UK.

George Foster
04-05-2007, 11:20 PM
John Pelphrey.

And yes, I am dead serious.

I would take Travis Ford over Pelphrey, just because he has won at 3 schools.
Pelphrey was a long time assistant to Donovan at Marshall, and Florida.

macro
04-05-2007, 11:26 PM
Now that I've done some reading, I now think Gillispie is the best candidate, as well as the one that will take the job.

jmac
04-05-2007, 11:48 PM
More updates : Pat Forde works for ESPN now but used to work for Louisville paper......

Forde says Gillispie is the guy

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Said on ESPN he expects BG to be wearing a blue tie in Memorial Coliseum tomorrow

If so...after BD said no...this was our best bet more than likely !

George Foster
04-05-2007, 11:50 PM
Now that I've done some reading, I now think Gillispie is the best candidate, as well as the one that will take the job.

Why not Tom Izzo? If I were Mitch Barnhart, I can't screw this up or it's my job. If I pick a guy who has been to 3 or 4 final fours since 99, and has won a National Championship, and it doesn't work out, Mitch can say he picked the guy with the best track record. Tom is the "safe" choice. Gillispie is a "up and comer" who my never "come."

WMR
04-06-2007, 03:46 AM
Reportedly Tom Izzo makes around 7 mill./season at Michigan State.

Blimpie
04-06-2007, 07:22 AM
Now that I've done some reading, I now think Gillispie is the best candidate, as well as the one that will take the job.Things move pretty fast around here when they need to...

At 8:00PM last night, UK was given permission by Texas A&M to speak with Gillispie. Today, there is an 12:15PM press conference in Lexington to announce Billy Gillispie as the new head coach at UK.

dabvu2498
04-06-2007, 08:02 AM
Reportedly Tom Izzo makes around 7 mill./season at Michigan State.

Not very accurate. Here's a look at his deal: http://images.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/basketball_contracts/pdfs/michiganstate_bb.pdf

Even with the fat (and I do mean fat) bonus he's getting, it doesn't make 7 million per.