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Chip R
03-28-2007, 09:49 PM
Here is the Reds Hot Stove League show report for 3-28-07. Tom Gamble was the host tonight. Jeff Brantley and Wayne Krivsky will be on the show later on. Tom talked about how the weather would be next week and recapped the game today. Tom gripped a bit about Harang giving up a lot of hits during ST. Tom said that X-Rays on Freel's ribs were negative.

After commercial, Jeff Brantley joined Tom by phone. After bantering about packing and clothing to wear, Tom asked about the Reds record and if it meant anything. Jeff said he doesn't think it means a whole lot but a strong record shows depth and strength of an organization. He said teams that win have guys who have the ability to play in the big leagues. Tom asked Jeff about Josh Hamilton's throw against the Sox on Monday and Freel's catch on Tuesday. Jeff said that shows the talent level of the Reds and he said when Josh caught the ball against the wall it was a really good play since it bounced off the and onto the warning track so it didn't go right in his glove; he had to make a stab for it. Jeff said that there aren't too many OFers who could have taken that ball, turned and threw the ball to 2nd like that.

After commercial Tom asked Jeff about Narron's comment about the rotation especially with Milton not being guaranteed the 3rd and 4th spot and if being in the 5th spot would be the best thing to do with Milton (Actually the best thing to do with Milton is hand him his walking papers.) Jeff said it is the best thing to do since he hasn't thrown the ball as well as the rest of the guys (Understate much?) He said Milton's not tradeable and he won't be unless he can put some numbers on the board. He thinks they put him in the minor league game to work on some things and it was at the same time Livingston shut out the Sox. Jeff said the bottom line for Milton is he ain't getting anybody out and when you don't get anyone out, no one wants you out there to pitch (Unless you make $9M) Tom asked if you could pitch him for a few starts in hopes that he pitches well enough to trade him since left handed pitching is at a premium but if he pitches well, why would you trade him? Jeff said that good lefty pitching is at a premium and the good lefties get people out with consistency and don't give up a bunch of HRs. Jeff is also not confident Lohse can pitch well. He said you have to be mentally tough to pitch in GAB. Tom asked if there was any reason to be concerned with Aaron's performance. Jeff quickly said no. Tom said he only feels good with the first two spots in the rotation. (Welcome to the club) Jeff said he agrees and Lohse is the swing man in this rotation. He has the stuff to be a 12-15 game winner. He said Kyle has to be able to go out and throw all his pitches, be aggressive and not hope the ball over the plate. Jeff said a friend of his, Tom Prince, caught Kyle for a lot of his starts in MIN because Prince is a no-nonsense guy and he wouldn't let Kyle nibble and walk guys. He said if Lohse and Milton can't pitch well, there are guys in AAA who can. (There are probably guys who work for AAA who can pitch better than Milton). Jeff said if they send down a Belisle or a Livingston, we may see them before the All Star break. (Or before Mother's Day) Tom asked how the bullpen stacked up and mentioned Victor Santos who has not been scored upon during ST. Jeff said that if you can keep a guy like Santos in AAA you do it. He said the organization is a lot deeper in pitching than it has been in ages and pitching is the currency of baseball.

After commercial Wayne joined Tom. Tom asked Wayne if he was happy with what he's seen so far especially with the pitching depth. Wayne said the competition has been great and that's what they wanted. He said there was a nice battle going on for the 5th spot - or one of the starting spots. Tom asked if it was safe to assume that the guys who don't make the team are going to be contributors to the team during the year. Wayne said he's been trying to get that point across. He said the Opening Day roster isn't set in stone for the year and things will change during the season. He said that the fuss about who will make the Opening Day roster is overblown but you want to put the best team you can out there to begin the year and let the chips fall where they may after that. He said ST isn't a tryout camp and they are going to take who they think are the best players. They may be wrong and if someone proves them wrong, that guy will come up later. He said they are doing a lot of thinking with different scenarios and they will do the best they can and they know the roster will not stay the same. Tom asked Wayne if options come into play with guys making the team. Wayne said they are in good shape there. All the pitchers have options (Good. Send Milton to AAA then) Bubba Crosby didn't but he has accepted the assignment to AAA and Moeller - who doesn't have an option - is fighting for a spot on the roster. He said that stats don't mean a lot for guys with track records but it means more for guys without track records or who haven't performed well in the majors. He said he rarely if ever looks at the ST stats and the guys who make a positive impression on the coaches and put up good stats in the minors will speak volumes for their chances to come up later.

Tom asked Wayne what has he been most pleased with and what has he been most disappointed with.
Wayne said he's been most pleased with the competition for the open spots. He said what he's most disappointed with is that there are a lot of guys hurt and they may have to start the year with a heavy DL and you don't want to see that. Tom asked Wayne if he's starting a new trend with the Rule 5 draft. (Good question) Wayne said the credit for Josh goes to several people from the advance scouts to the scouting director to ownership. He spread the credit for picking up Burton to several scouts.

After commercial Enquirer columnist Paul Dougherty joined Tom in studio. Tom asked him how he felt about the Reds. Doc said he's feeling a lot better about them now than he did a few weeks ago. He said he likes the pitching depth and that has surprised him. He thinks Josh is almost as good of a player as he is a story at this point. He said the key is the 3-5 starters. Tom said one good feeling he has is that the guys in AAA who might step in. He said Homer isn't even a story any more. Doc said that he doesn't know what they are going to do with Milton if he can't start. He can't close or set up and he's untradeable. Tom says you are doing the team a disservice by running him out there all the time. Doc said that's true but it isn't our money.

Thus endeth the Reds Hot Stove League show report for 3-28-07. Thanks for reading the reports and for the nice responses you have given me. They are truly appreciated. It isn't always easy listening to these people on the show but it usually isn't boring. So, until November, so let it be written. So let it be done.

reds44
03-28-2007, 09:52 PM
Why can't Milton set up or close? Do you know until you try him in at least a lessr role in the pen?

marcshoe
03-28-2007, 09:54 PM
Thanks again for the report.


Jeff said that if you can keep a guy like Santos in AAA you do it.

Absolutely. I hope the guys in charge feel the same way.

('course I'm not sold on Santos having turned his career around....)

Freddie_Free
03-28-2007, 09:56 PM
Why can't Milton set up or close? Do you know until you try him in at least a lessr role in the pen?

IMO, if he closes get ready for another Danny Graves-esque adventure every save opportunity.

reds44
03-28-2007, 09:58 PM
IMO, if he closes get ready for another Danny Graves-esque adventure every save opportunity.
I didn't mean closing on Opening Day, but why not give him a chance in the bullpen at the start of the season. If he pitches well and we need a closer, then you try him there.

I guess the odds of Milton pitching well anywhere besides Yellowstone is a major stretch.

pedro
03-28-2007, 09:58 PM
Why can't Milton set up or close? Do you know until you try him in at least a lessr role in the pen?

Look at miltons splits for his first 1-15, 16-30 pitches etc.

what you'll see is he gets creamed then too so I'm not sure that relief is a viable solution.

Phhhl
03-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Chip, your efforts are even more appreciated now that it spares me the displeasure of listening to Tom Gamble.

reds44
03-28-2007, 10:00 PM
Look at miltons splits for his first 1-15, 16-30 pitches etc.

what you'll see is he gets creamed then too so I'm not sure that relief is a viable solution.
Yeah I've looked them up before too. I'm not sure if it's a better solution, but he sure can't be any worse there then he is at starting.

Would it hurt to try him in the pen?

rotnoid
03-28-2007, 10:01 PM
I didn't mean closing on Opening Day, but why not give him a chance in the bullpen at the start of the season. If he pitches well and we need a closer, then you try him there.

I guess the odds of Milton pitching well anywhere besides Yellowstone is a major stretch.

Maybe, but he doesn't seem to have the killer instinct I'd want in a closer. As for the set up role, he's just another of the average lefty arms we already have. What's the point in that. The best thing that can happen is he reels off 2 or 3 quality starts and we can find someone to eat a couple million dollars of his salary and maybe throw in something servicable.

pedro
03-28-2007, 10:03 PM
Yeah I've looked them up before too. I'm not sure if it's a better solution, but he sure can't be any worse there then he is at starting.

Would it hurt to try him in the pen?

I think anything that minimizes the number of innings he pitches can't be all bad so I guess they might as well try it if they're dead set against cutting him.

wpenn4
03-28-2007, 10:05 PM
There are probably guys who work for AAA who can pitch better than Milton

Good one, Chip. I actually laughed out loud!

Cyclone792
03-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Chip, once again thanks for the excellent Hot Stove report summaries you provided the entire offseason.

I listened to the show myself once this offseason, and I realized that I enjoyed reading your report more than listening to the show itself (though some of the comments on the show are so stupid that they're actually funny). And keep tossing in your own little commentary throughout the reports too. Those are great!

Eric_Davis
03-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Thanks, Chip. Dougherty goes by "Doc"?

Are these your words, Chip? If they are, do you know shorthand? Because to get all that information off of a radio broadcast is amazing.

The Milton topic was really covered. I kept waiting for the question, "Is Milton injured?"

Dracodave
03-28-2007, 10:08 PM
Milton gets shakey after a team gets a hit off of him. I want a closer who can ignore baserunners, has confidence out the wa-zoo, and knows he can relay on a premuim pitch to get someone out.

Milton lacks those traits.


However, Milton as a mop up reliever to get to our closer..now theres a thought. ;)

Marc D
03-28-2007, 10:12 PM
I don't understand this mindset of "eating" his 9M if he doesn't play this year. [sammy davis jr font]Wayne babe, its been ate.[/font]

Its a sunk cost, its gone. He gets it no matter what. Why make the team and fans suffer a season of Milton beatings for a false sense of financial gain?

Who was Bob C's mentor again? Some bannanna salesman iirc.

Dracodave
03-28-2007, 10:16 PM
The train of thought happen's to be. Trade him for prospects after a few good starts with a low ERA.

Problem with that is...it's not going to happen.

Marc D
03-28-2007, 10:26 PM
The train of thought happen's to be. Trade him for prospects after a few good starts with a low ERA.

Problem with that is...it's not going to happen.


Unless Dan O lands a new GM gig, no one on earth would be dumb enough to give anything of value for Milton. .

vaticanplum
03-28-2007, 10:39 PM
Thanks Chip :clap:

Chip R
03-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Thanks, Chip. Dougherty goes by "Doc"?

Are these your words, Chip? If they are, do you know shorthand? Because to get all that information off of a radio broadcast is amazing.

The Milton topic was really covered. I kept waiting for the question, "Is Milton injured?"


Yeah. His last name is pronounced "Dock er tee" so I guess it's "Doc" for short.

No, I don't know shorthand. I can barely read my own writing so I'd hate to see my shorthand. :eek: I just record the show on tape and type it as I play it back. It's not a word for word transcript. Some of the stuff I feel is important - like what Wayne was talking about the rotation - I try to quote as accurately as possible. Other times I just write the gist of what they are saying. And I try to leave out any non-Reds info. I figure if anyone cares about these guys' golf games or how their vacations are like, they can listen to the show. The last segment tonight I omitted cause all they were talking about was the weather on Opening Day and stuff like that.

Eric_Davis
03-28-2007, 10:42 PM
By pitching Milton in a Minor League game instead of a Major League game, they reserve the right to open the season with him on the DL retroactive to his last Major League game appearance. So, he may begin the season there.

reds44
03-28-2007, 11:49 PM
By pitching Milton in a Minor League game instead of a Major League game, they reserve the right to open the season with him on the DL retroactive to his last Major League game appearance. So, he may begin the season there.
Wow, that's some great info. I didn't realize that.

Red Leader
03-28-2007, 11:50 PM
Thanks for the report, Chip. Very much appreciated as always.

LINEDRIVER
03-28-2007, 11:52 PM
Milton gets shakey after a team gets a hit off of him. I want a closer who can ignore baserunners, has confidence out the wa-zoo, and knows he can relay on a premuim pitch to get someone out.

Milton lacks those traits.


However, Milton as a mop up reliever to get to our closer..now theres a thought. ;)

Milton does not have an out pitch. Like Brantley commented last week, everything Milty throws up there gets hit.

LINEDRIVER
03-28-2007, 11:54 PM
Great job, Chip.

I always read and enjoy your coverage of the Hot Stove League show.

remdog
03-29-2007, 12:01 AM
Thank you Chip. I do appreciate the time and effort that you've put in to transcribe these shows---especially for those of us that are out of the broadcast area.

Rem

Redsland
03-29-2007, 10:37 AM
He said that stats don't mean a lot for guys with track records but it means more for guys without track records or who haven't performed well in the majors.
So...bad major league performacne isn't a track record?

Sweetstop
03-29-2007, 11:09 AM
Yeah. His last name is pronounced "Dock er tee" so I guess it's "Doc" for short.

No, I don't know shorthand. I can barely read my own writing so I'd hate to see my shorthand. :eek: I just record the show on tape and type it as I play it back. It's not a word for word transcript. Some of the stuff I feel is important - like what Wayne was talking about the rotation - I try to quote as accurately as possible. Other times I just write the gist of what they are saying. And I try to leave out any non-Reds info. I figure if anyone cares about these guys' golf games or how their vacations are like, they can listen to the show. The last segment tonight I omitted cause all they were talking about was the weather on Opening Day and stuff like that.


Lot of work. You're an angel in disguise.:thumbup:

IowaRed
03-29-2007, 11:19 AM
as Henry Blake would say "Mucho appreciado"

lollipopcurve
03-29-2007, 11:46 AM
thanks Chip -- always a good read

enjoy the offseason, er, season

KronoRed
03-29-2007, 11:53 AM
Thanks Chip :)

shredda2000
03-29-2007, 12:24 PM
thanks Chip

Jr's Boy
03-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Bravo Chip!Thanks for the hot stove reports.

ThatsAStrike
03-29-2007, 02:29 PM
I don't always remember to say thanks, but I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 04:27 PM
Thanks, Chip. Dougherty goes by "Doc"?

Are these your words, Chip? If they are, do you know shorthand? Because to get all that information off of a radio broadcast is amazing.

The Milton topic was really covered. I kept waiting for the question, "Is Milton injured?"

Daugherty is, like, so a me wannabe. I guess going by "Daugh" is a little close to Homer Simpson for P-Daughty.