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Red Leader
04-05-2007, 12:47 PM
We already have a Masters pool thread, but I thought I'd start a seperate on for discussion.

So far, and it's still early, Davis Love is playing a lot better than I thought he would. He's -1 through 10.

J.J. Henry has the early lead at -2 through 5.

Tiger tees off later this afternoon.

Some dude named Bradley Dredge drained one from about 35 ft on #12 a little earlier to get to E. Great putt.

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 12:52 PM
The Masters doesn't officiall start until the back 9 on Sunday.

Or so John Feinstein told me.

I hate John Feinstein. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/detractors.html#feinstein

texasdave
04-05-2007, 12:56 PM
This year it officially started when Arnie blasted one down the number one fairway. :notworthy

Chip R
04-05-2007, 12:57 PM
I think Greg Oden's going to win it.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 12:57 PM
You can watch live TV coverage of Amen Corner on CBS sportsline. Similar to the TV coverage CBS sportsline had for the NCAA tourament...

http://www.sportsline.com/golf/masters/video

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 12:58 PM
I think Greg Oden's going to win it.

He should have at least been able to tee off first instead of Arnie. What were they thinking? :laugh:

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I think Greg Oden's going to win it.

I should have drafted him #1 in the pool. Dang!

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 12:59 PM
You can watch live TV coverage of Amen Corner on CBS sportsline. Similar to the TV coverage CBS sportsline had for the NCAA tourament...

http://www.sportsline.com/golf/masters/video

Great. I was hoping to get some work done before the Reds game, but now that probably won't happen.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 01:08 PM
I should have drafted him #1 in the pool. Dang!


He's going to have to break both of his legs to lose the tournament.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 01:11 PM
Great shot by Gary Player.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 01:24 PM
I missed somewhere where Davis gave one back, he could be tied for the lead right now. Come on Davis.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 01:31 PM
I missed somewhere where Davis gave on back, he could be tied for the lead right now. Come on Davis.

He bogeyed the 11th. Par 4.

Didn't see how.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Among the notables:

Mickelson is +3 through 5, and Ernie Els is +4 through 6.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Among the notables:

Mickelson is +3 through 5, and Ernie Els is +4 through 6.


Maybe they should just give Tiger the trophy on a silver platter.

SunDeck
04-05-2007, 01:49 PM
You can watch live TV coverage of Amen Corner on CBS sportsline. Similar to the TV coverage CBS sportsline had for the NCAA tourament...

http://www.sportsline.com/golf/masters/video

No sound...anybody else without sound?

Reds Fanatic
04-05-2007, 01:55 PM
For those of you in the Dayton and Cincinnati areas Time Warner just added Universal HD yesterday. You can see the first round on that channel in HD at 4 PM.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 02:00 PM
No sound...anybody else without sound?

I have sound. On the bottom right of the picture there is a speaker. Check to make sure that speaker has two ))'s after the icon. If it doesn't, your volume is all the way down. Click on the black bars to the right to turn the sound up....

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 02:33 PM
How will Paul Casey and Aaron Baddley hold up the next two days with The Striped One?

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 02:37 PM
Mickelson (Highlifeman's favorite) trying to battle back. He's at +4 through 9.

Els, not so much. He's at +6 through 10.

Tim Clark is your leader in the clubhouse. He shot a -1, 71 today.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 02:38 PM
How will Paul Casey and Aaron Baddley hold up the next two days with The Stripped One?


The Stripped one? :confused:

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 02:41 PM
The Stripped one? :confused:


Maybe he's referring to Yong Yang? :dunno:

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 02:53 PM
Maybe he's referring to Yong Yang? :dunno:

One too many P's I guess. Striped One?

I never could spell.

Redhook
04-05-2007, 03:13 PM
This year it officially started when Arnie blasted one down the number one fairway. :notworthy

A couple of winter's ago, when I lived in Orlando, I caddied at Bay Hill. One day I was caddying for a 4-some that was part of a group of 8. Unbeknown(st?) to me, Arnie was to play 9 holes with each 4-some. He joined our group on #10. It was awesome. I was actually a little nervous. He's still a pretty good player and he's also very down-to-earth. That was a great experience I will never forget.


Back to the Masters....

4:00 can't get here fast enough.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Seems that a lot of guys are getting to 18 at -2 and finishing at -1.

T4 T. Clark -1
T4 V. Taylor -1
T4 Z. Johnson -1
T4 R. Beem -1
T4 J. Henry -1

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:41 PM
Well Casey isn't looking like a very good pick right now. +4 through 6.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Well Casey isn't looking like a very good pick right now. +4 through 6.

Ernie Els isn't looking too good either. He's sitting at +6. Mickelson is still +4, too.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 04:48 PM
Ernie Els isn't looking too good either. He's sitting at +6. Mickelson is still +4, too.

Awesome that means 3 of my 5 guys are atleast at plus 4. I guess it's Tiger and Davis Love in the final pairing on Sunday.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 04:54 PM
Tiger just dropped a stroke on the 7th. He's at +1.

Razor, I'm thinking you're a curse on these guys.

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Seems that a lot of guys are getting to 18 at -2 and finishing at -1.

T4 T. Clark -1
T4 V. Taylor -1
T4 Z. Johnson -1
T4 R. Beem -1
T4 J. Henry -1

Anyone know the pin placement on 18 today?

18 usually is a par hole.

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Go figure, USA's 1st shot shown today is a Tiger Woods approach shot.

Predictable.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 05:14 PM
Anyone know the pin placement on 18 today?

18 usually is a par hole.

Pin placement is in the back of the green, a little left of center and tucked nicely on the top tier over the frontside bunker.

Follow this link: http://www.masters.org/en_US/course/index.html

Click on the hole you are interested in and then click on pin placement at the bottom right to see pin placements for each round.

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 05:21 PM
Pin placement is in the back of the green, a little left of center and tucked nicely on the top tier over the frontside bunker.

Follow this link: http://www.masters.org/en_US/course/index.html

Click on the hole you are interested in and then click on pin placement at the bottom right to see pin placements for each round.

That's a pretty accessible pin today @ 18.

I would venture a guess that not a lot of guys are taking enough stick to get it back there though.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 05:25 PM
I'm guessing they are either getting stuck in the bunker in front of the flag, or they are flying over the green.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 05:26 PM
How did that stay out?

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 05:29 PM
I'm guessing they are either getting stuck in the bunker in front of the flag, or they are flying over the green.

Unless they are Phil, and they hit it into the patrons short, left of the green.... :devil:

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 05:53 PM
Wow. Justin Rose with 20 putts for the first round.

guttle11
04-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Justin Rose: Mr. Thursday/Friday at Augusta...

Is Tiger playing today? Haven't seen him...

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 05:56 PM
Justin Rose: Mr. Thursday/Friday at Augusta...

Is Tiger playing today? Haven't seen him...

Yeah he's plus 1 through 10. And he's in the woods on 11.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 05:56 PM
Justin Rose: Mr. Thursday/Friday at Augusta...

Is Tiger playing today? Haven't seen him...

Yeah, everybody has to play today. It's the first round for everybody, even Tiger. :laugh:

Tiger is +1 through 10.

Phil finished at +4.
Els finished at +6.

Razor Shines
04-05-2007, 05:59 PM
And he just made a great shot out of the pine straw with a slight fade around a tree to 15-20 ft of the pin.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 06:00 PM
And he just made a great shot out of the pine straw with a slight fade around a tree to 15-20 ft of the pin.

Amazing.

Red Leader
04-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Tiger missed his 20 ft birdie putt, but dropped the par putt.

He's still +1, through 11 now.

Highlifeman21
04-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Everyone looks timid on the course today.

RawOwl UK
04-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Nice to see rose at the top. Woods well placed though. Wouldn't back against him the way he's playing.

Cyclone792
04-06-2007, 02:42 AM
What an incredible Cinderella story. This unknown comes outta nowhere to lead the pack, at Augusta. He's on his final hole, he's about 455 yards away. He's gonna hit about a two-iron, I think.

Oh he got all of that one!

The crowd is standing on its feet here. The normally reserved Augusta crowd going wild for this young Cinderella. He's come outta nowhere, he's got about 350 yards left, he's gonna hit about a five-iron, don't you think?

He's got a beautiful backswing. That's ...

Oh he got all of that one!

He's gotta be pleased with that. The crowd is just on its feet here. He's the Cinderella boy, tears in his eyes I guess as he lines up this last shot. He's got about 195 yards left, he's got about a - its looks like he's got about an eight-iron.

This crowd has gone deathly silent, the Cinderella story, outta nowhere, a former greenskeeper now - about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a miraculous ...

It's in the hole! It's in the hole!

SunDeck
04-06-2007, 09:03 AM
Nice to see a Cincinnati boy (and also a fellow OHHS alum) at the top of the leader board.
Go Brett!

paintmered
04-06-2007, 10:20 AM
Rich Beem is playing well. It's always great to see that. :)

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 11:59 AM
Tiger bogeyed the first hole today. He's now +2.

Watched the Masters recap show last night and they said that #1 played as nearly the hardest hole on the course, very closely behind #11, both Par 4's. They said that numerous players started their first round yesterday with a bogey or worse yesterday.

Reds Fanatic
04-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Nice to see a Cincinnati boy (and also a fellow OHHS alum) at the top of the leader board.
Go Brett!
Brett is one under through the first 9 holes today. He is the leader currently at 4 under par.

MaineRed
04-06-2007, 12:58 PM
Tiger bogeyed the first hole today. He's now +2.

Watched the Masters recap show last night and they said that #1 played as nearly the hardest hole on the course, very closely behind #11, both Par 4's. They said that numerous players started their first round yesterday with a bogey or worse yesterday.

Tiger now +3 (for the tournament) thru 4 holes. Amazingly he is in 26th place. Still right in it.

You can get live scoring here:

http://www.golfsurround.com/masters/2007/scoring/index4.html

The course is playing very tough. I predict after another tough day today that the greens will get watered heavily overnight to set up a Saturday birdie fest.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 01:29 PM
Tiger bogeyed the 7th again today, a par 4. He's now +3 for the day and +4 for the tournament. He is tied for 40th place. He better play brilliantly for the rest of the day and birdie both Par 5's on the back. He can't afford to drop to +5 and finish there. He needs to be at least at +3 if he's going to make a run on the weekend, IMO.

MaineRed
04-06-2007, 01:34 PM
The big move today is being made by Vijay. He is -2 today and has climbed 12 spots into 3rd. I didn't pick him in our pool but I had a feeling he might play well. He has already won twice this year and he wants some more majors.

Singh is on the 7th right now.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Yeah he does. I expected the leaders to give some back, but Wetterich has played great through 13.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 01:39 PM
Wow. What a shot by Goosen.

MaineRed
04-06-2007, 01:41 PM
Correction, Jerry Kelly has made the biggest move. He is up 24 spots to T4. He is -4 for the day after 8 holes.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 01:47 PM
A birdie on the Par 5 8th brings Tiger back to +3 and tied for 24th. I think he knew he had to have that. Now he needs to play smart the rest of the day and take his chances on the Par 5's on the back. He should pick up two strokes on those holes. He just can't give any back on the others.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 02:05 PM
And Tiger gives one back again.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 02:24 PM
And Tiger gives one back again.

And then recovers again with a birdie on the 10th.

Up and down round for Tiger. He needs to play well on the back...

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 02:32 PM
And then recovers again with a birdie on the 10th.

Up and down round for Tiger. He needs to play well on the back...

And Wetterich gives two back. I think if Tiger can finish E or +1 after today, he'll be in great shape to win it.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 02:47 PM
Casey comes two inches from aceing 12 and Tiger puts it in the water. Come on Tiger.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Casey comes two inches from aceing 12 and Tiger puts it in the water. Come on Tiger.

Tiger also bogeyed the 11th before putting it in the water on the 12th, so he's already back to +4 for the tournament. This hole could really set him back if he doesn't limit the damage.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 02:52 PM
Tiger also bogeyed the 11th before putting it in the water on the 12th, so he's already back to +4 for the tournament. This hole could really set him back if he doesn't limit the damage.

He's got a long putt, this could be a double for Tiger. Plus 6 is going to make it difficult for this weekend, well he probably has to worry about making the cut, I think it's at +7 right now.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 02:54 PM
Well he made his putt for 4.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 02:56 PM
Well he made his putt for 4.

That's what's incredible about Tiger. When he absolutely needs it the most, he makes it. He makes whatever shot he needs to make in that situation, whether it be a putt, a drive, a shot around the green, whatever. He makes it. And I'm always in awe when he does it.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 03:00 PM
That's what's incredible about Tiger. When he absolutely needs it the most, he makes it. He makes whatever shot he needs to make in that situation, whether it be a putt, a drive, a shot around the green, whatever. He makes it. And I'm always in awe when he does it.

Yeah me too. And he made a perfect drive on 13.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Vijay's ball on 12 landed in almost exactly the same place Tiger's did, but his stayed out of the water. I was shocked.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 03:08 PM
Tiger in the water on 13.

Reds Fanatic
04-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Tiger in the water on 13.
Tiger is going to be getting very close to the cut line currently projected at +7.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 03:15 PM
Tiger is going to be getting very close to the cut line currently projected at +7.

Well he made a great chip to put it to 3-5 ft for par, I think he makes that. And he's like -27 for his career on #14. I think he'll finish +2 or 3.

Reds Fanatic
04-06-2007, 03:26 PM
Mickelson bogies hole 1 to go to +5.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 03:34 PM
Ian Poulter looks like a damn banana slug...

paintmered
04-06-2007, 03:41 PM
If the cut line is +8, there will be a huge field making the cut. This is a problem with possible overnight frost warnings which will delay the start times.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Villegas reminds me of Mango from Saturday Night Live, as well.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 03:59 PM
Tiger birdied the 15th, a Par 5 that he has owned in his career. He needed that badly. He's back at +4 for the tournament, which is now tied for 30th. He can't lose a stroke the rest of the way, IMO. He needs to keep it right where it is and he'd be in real good shape if he could finish today at +3.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 04:23 PM
Birdie at 17 for Tiger.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 04:26 PM
Birdie at 17 for Tiger.

He's now +3 for the tournament and tied for 21st. If he can par the last hole he's in excellent shape for the weekend.

I remember worrying that Tiger may not make the cut on a Friday a couple years ago. He played well on the back 9 and made the cut.

He went on to win the Masters by 2 strokes that year, I believe.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 04:35 PM
He's got a pretty good chance for birdie on 18.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 04:47 PM
Par on the 18th for Tiger. He shot a +2 for today and is +3 for the tournament. He is tied for 19th right now. He's in a good spot for the weekend.

I can't believe how difficult the course is playing today. From what I've seen on the Amen Corner coverage the greens are playing like sheets of ice. I don't think I could hold a green hitting a short iron from 100 yards on these greens and these guys are having to hit medium-long irons into these greens to make them stick because of the course length. Not easy. Then, when you get on the green, you have to at least stay there. Forget about holing one out. Just lag up and take the 2. That's what I'd do, or at least try. Very, very difficult course conditions this year. I wouldn't doubt if that +3 Tiger is at doesn't land him at a tie for 15th at the end of the day.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 04:51 PM
Par on the 18th for Tiger. He shot a +2 for today and is +3 for the tournament. He is tied for 19th right now. He's in a good spot for the weekend.

I can't believe how difficult the course is playing today. From what I've seen on the Amen Corner coverage the greens are playing like sheets of ice. I don't think I could hold a green hitting a short iron from 100 yards on these greens and these guys are having to hit medium-long irons into these greens to make them stick because of the course length. Not easy. Then, when you get on the green, you have to at least stay there. Forget about holing one out. Just lag up and take the 2. That's what I'd do, or at least try. Very, very difficult course conditions this year. I wouldn't doubt if that +3 Tiger is at doesn't land him at a tie for 15th at the end of the day.

Yeah I'll be surprised if any body finishes today at -3. I think -2 will be the lead and only because those guys are already in at -2. I think the course is going to get harder as the day goes on.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 04:58 PM
Just as you typed that Zach Johnson dropped a stroke on the 11th with a bogey and he's back to -2. :laugh:

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 05:03 PM
Just as you typed that Zach Johnson dropped a stroke on the 11th with a bogey and he's back to -2. :laugh:

:laugh:

And I think Tim Clark is playing as well as he possibly can to be -3, I think he drops a stroke before he's done today.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 05:13 PM
And Clark drops to -2.

Jpup
04-06-2007, 05:17 PM
Universal HD coverage is underway for those interested. It looks like some of the big names are already out of contention, but as we know, things can change fast.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 05:19 PM
Universal HD coverage is underway for those interested. It looks like some of the big names are already out of contention, but as we know, things can change fast.

Tiger and Vijay are in it still.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 05:19 PM
Yep. 5 way tie for 1st place right now at -2. I'm guessing only 3 at the most finish there. Wetterich is already in the clubhouse at -2.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 05:20 PM
Mickelson and Els are at +7 right now.

Phil through 7, Els through 8.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 05:22 PM
Yep. 5 way tie for 1st place right now at -2. I'm guessing only 3 at the most finish there. Wetterich is already in the clubhouse at -2.

Yeah, it's getting more and more windy as the day goes on.

Red Leader
04-06-2007, 06:14 PM
Zach Johnson is still holding on at -3, but just within the past 15 minutes several players have had drops in their scores. Tiger's +3 now has him in a tie for 15th place. There are probably only 2 golfers still on the course that could drop to +3 so I think that's as far up as Tiger's going to go today, but wow. He was, at one point today, tied for 41st, at least. Now there are only 14 golfers in the field that have the a better score than he does, and 12 that have the same score he has. No one is out of reach.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 06:16 PM
Zach Johnson is still holding on at -3, but just within the past 15 minutes several players have had drops in their scores. Tiger's +3 now has him in a tie for 15th place. There are probably only 2 golfers still on the course that could drop to +3 so I think that's as far up as Tiger's going to go today, but wow. He was, at one point today, tied for 41st, at least. Now there are only 14 golfers in the field that have the a better score than he does, and 12 that have the same score he has. No one is out of reach.

Yeah I'd be greatly surprised if Tiger doesn't make a huge move tomorrow.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Zachy J. just missed two easy putts and dropped to -2.

RFS62
04-06-2007, 06:20 PM
Phil just got good wood on the ball.

:laugh:

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 06:21 PM
Phil just got good wood on the ball.

:laugh:

Yeah I saw that. Wow that must have hit 4 trees before it stopped.

RFS62
04-06-2007, 06:23 PM
He's got to be the dumbest rich guy on the planet with some of the shot selections he's made over his career.

Razor Shines
04-06-2007, 06:27 PM
He got lucky his ball landed on that electrical cable. Much easier shot than it would have been.

Highlifeman21
04-06-2007, 07:48 PM
He's got to be the dumbest rich guy on the planet with some of the shot selections he's made over his career.

If there's one thing Phil's good at, it's bad shot selection.

What I don't get is why all these guys have their clubs so strong lofted, and try to hit their clubs full most of the time.

One of the biggest mistakes amateurs always make is not taking enough club. You'd think Pros would know better, especially at The Masters.

Stop trying to nuke everything!

Razor Shines
04-07-2007, 12:26 AM
I don't think I'd feel too comfortable about only being up 5 strokes on a very angry Tiger going into the weekend. He's probably still on the range cursing about his round.

Razor Shines
04-07-2007, 04:22 PM
Tiger drains a 15 footer on 8 to go -2 on the day.

Highlifeman21
04-07-2007, 04:59 PM
Tough start for Cincinnati's Wetterich...

Par
Bogey
Triple...

paintmered
04-07-2007, 07:48 PM
Today's winner: Augusta National.

Everyone else is just hanging on.

George Foster
04-07-2007, 09:49 PM
Today's winner: Augusta National.

Everyone else is just hanging on.

Jack was right when he said they screwed up this course. Adding over 500 yards, and all of those trees, takes half the guys out of contention. It is no fun watching guys putting for 15 foot pars and bogey's.

Jack said that golf use to be a game of shot making, and not just drive it 330 yards. I'm not talking about Augusta specifically, but most courses on tour.

He said that a guy like Ben Hogan, the best ball striker, and shot maker of all time would not be in the top 50 today because he was only 5'8" a buck 40. In the last 4 years the average course on tour has added 300-400 yards to the course. In 2000 the average yardage for a tour course was about 7150 yards. Know it is over 7350 yards. Some courses added even more.

Jack said the USGA has pretty much allowed everything. He suggested that to make illegal clubs that are now legal, would be to much of a financial burden on the average golfer. He says that the PGA should play with a different ball that everybody on tour would have to play. This ball would be similar to the balata balls of the mid 80's and would decrease the drives by 50-75 yards. He said that MLB, NFL, etc all play with the same ball and the PGA should too.

Chip R
04-07-2007, 09:58 PM
He said that MLB, NFL, etc all play with the same ball and the PGA should too.


Actually, they don't. The NFL plays with a different ball than the NCAA does and high schools play with a different ball than the NFL and NCAA does. And MLB doesn't play with the same ball colleges and high schools do.

paintmered
04-07-2007, 10:03 PM
There's too much sponsorship money at stake to go to a single ball.

paintmered
04-07-2007, 10:11 PM
Jack was right when he said they screwed up this course. Adding over 500 yards, and all of those trees, takes half the guys out of contention. It is no fun watching guys putting for 15 foot pars and bogey's.

Jack said that golf use to be a game of shot making, and not just drive it 330 yards. I'm not talking about Augusta specifically, but most courses on tour.

He said that a guy like Ben Hogan, the best ball striker, and shot maker of all time would not be in the top 50 today because he was only 5'8" a buck 40. In the last 4 years the average course on tour has added 300-400 yards to the course. In 2000 the average yardage for a tour course was about 7150 yards. Know it is over 7350 yards. Some courses added even more.

Jack said the USGA has pretty much allowed everything. He suggested that to make illegal clubs that are now legal, would be to much of a financial burden on the average golfer. He says that the PGA should play with a different ball that everybody on tour would have to play. This ball would be similar to the balata balls of the mid 80's and would decrease the drives by 50-75 yards. He said that MLB, NFL, etc all play with the same ball and the PGA should too.

The game has evolved and courses must evolve with it. It's unfortunate, but I think it's necessary.

This tournament has seen the highest scores posted in Masters history. But I would blame the cold and windy weather rather than the course "upgrades". The pin placements should be more accessible tomorrow, especially on the back 9. We won't see a repeat scoring average of 77.34. I expect Tiger to shoot 70 tomorrow. I also expect to see a few guys to shoot 68.

Highlifeman21
04-08-2007, 11:28 AM
There's too much sponsorship money at stake to go to a single ball.

You ain't kiddin there.

Titleist already has a strong deathgrip on the market share. If you go to 1 ball, then you're giving Titleist the keys to the ball monopoly. The Anti-Trust suit would go on for decades.

Aside from sponsorship issues, even at the Tour level, you have different swing types/speeds. Even with a "single" ball, you'd need 2 models: low spin and high spin.

If you tried to make a middle of the road version, you'd have everyone complaining about spin issues. It would be a nightmare for any governing body.

Redhook
04-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Jack said the USGA has pretty much allowed everything. He suggested that to make illegal clubs that are now legal, would be to much of a financial burden on the average golfer. He says that the PGA should play with a different ball that everybody on tour would have to play. This ball would be similar to the balata balls of the mid 80's and would decrease the drives by 50-75 yards. He said that MLB, NFL, etc all play with the same ball and the PGA should too.

This is turning into a big problem. Today's golf balls go way too far. The clubs are a factor, but IMO, the ball has much more of an impact on how far shots are flying.

When I was in college, I remember testing the new Titleist Professional against the Tour Balata. I played 18 holes with both balls. On average, I hit the Professional 22 yards past the Balata. I play the ProV1x now and I would guess that it probably goes 20 yards past the Professional. It's really ridiculous. I used to have to bust my 4 iron to hit it 200 yards. Now my 4 iron flies 217 on a well-struck shot. Being 200 yards out used to be a really tough shot where now I'll just hit a hard 6 or punch a 5. Huge difference.

I know an amateur tournament in Ohio went to a uniform ball recently (Ohio Amateur?). I don't remember hearing how that turned out. Eventually, I think the PGA Tour will do something like that. However, it'll be a nightmare for all of the golf ball companies developing new lines of golf balls just for tour players. It'll cost them a fortune. Plus, the public won't want to play the "restricted" balls because they won't go far enough.

With that being said, would the PGA Tour players still get endorsements for playing companies golf balls if the public wasn't playing the same balls? Money, for both the companies and players, might not let this happen. I don't see an easy solution to the problem.

NJReds
04-08-2007, 12:56 PM
Actually, they don't. The NFL plays with a different ball than the NCAA does and high schools play with a different ball than the NFL and NCAA does. And MLB doesn't play with the same ball colleges and high schools do.

And the NFL uses a different ball just for kickers. Which makes no sense.

Razor Shines
04-09-2007, 12:04 AM
Well for all the talk of only having a chance to win if you hit it 330 yds, one of the shorter hitters on the tour ended up winning. I wanted Tiger to send it to a playoff, but I was happy for Zach, seems like a really nice guy. And he made a good chip on 17.