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WMR
04-05-2007, 03:09 PM
Press Conference scheduled for tomorrow; reported by Fox Sports.

Matt700wlw
04-05-2007, 03:10 PM
Huggs, Pitino and Mick in the Big East together!

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 03:11 PM
Huggs, Pitino and Mick in the Big East together!

That ought to go over real big in Clifton.

Don't forget Stan Heath! :D

Matt700wlw
04-05-2007, 03:12 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6648384

dougdirt
04-05-2007, 03:16 PM
I kind of feel bad for the K State players.... I wonder what happens with Beasely (sp?) now.

Matt700wlw
04-05-2007, 03:16 PM
You won't be able to find a seat at the Shoe when WV comes to town! This is going to be fun!

WMR
04-05-2007, 03:17 PM
Will Bill Walker follow Hugs?

cincy jacket
04-05-2007, 03:17 PM
Does WVU play @ UC next year? I know the Big East schedule is different than most other conferences and not everyone even plays everyone.

Never mind just went back and read the rest of the thread and saw they do.

Matt700wlw
04-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Will Bill Walker follow Hugs?

He redshirted, I don't think he can

Johnny Footstool
04-05-2007, 03:25 PM
I guess the Little Apple was a bit too intense for Huggy. Too bad. It was kind of nice for K-State fans to get mouthy -- it makes it more satisfying when KU crushes them.

cincy09
04-05-2007, 03:26 PM
Beasley is stuck.....Walker will prob try the draft

Cedric
04-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Beasley is stuck.....Walker will prob try the draft

Beasley is not stuck. Most likely he will threaten to sit out a year and go pro. KState will let him out of his LOI.

guttle11
04-05-2007, 03:35 PM
Jacob Pullen, a highly rated PG, will likely try to follow Hugs to WVU as well. He committed to K-State without visiting campus once.

Joseph
04-05-2007, 03:56 PM
Crushed a program in one fell swoop.

TeamSelig
04-05-2007, 03:59 PM
sweet... I look for WVU to get pretty big soon

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:27 PM
How long was he at KSU?

Chip R
04-05-2007, 04:27 PM
LOL at all the people around here that bought K-State gear. Are they going to burn that and buy WVU gear now?

paintmered
04-05-2007, 04:28 PM
How long was he at KSU?

He coached a single season.

paintmered
04-05-2007, 04:28 PM
LOL at all the people around here that bought K-State gear. Are they going to burn that and buy WVU gear now?

My advice, don't go near the KSU forums right now. Burning stuff is the least of Manhattan's worries right now.

BRM
04-05-2007, 04:28 PM
He coached a single season.

That's what I thought.

Roy Tucker
04-05-2007, 04:33 PM
I liked Huggins when he was at UC, but I think this is a classless move.

If players have to wait a year to switch schools, then coaches should too.

CrackerJack
04-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Yep, kids should not follow coaches around like this - at least coaches like Huggins who are so self-absorbed and full of themselves. It's all about "him" and not the kids or the school or collegiate experience.

I am still bitter about the mess he left the UC program in.

DTCromer
04-05-2007, 04:45 PM
I liked Huggins when he was at UC, but I think this is a classless move.

If players have to wait a year to switch schools, then coaches should too.

If he would've left for an SEC, I would agree that it would seem classless. But this is his alma mater. It's almost all coaches' dream to coach at their alma mater so you can't blame him that much for leaving. Remember how close he was to leaving UC for WVU? That's how much he wanted to go back there.

CrackerJack
04-05-2007, 04:46 PM
If he would've left for an SEC, I would agree that it would seem classless. But this is his alma mater. It's almost all coaches' dream to coach at their alma mater so you can't blame him that much for leaving. Remember how close he was to leaving UC for WVU? That's how much he wanted to go back there.

I understand that completely - but he affected a lot of people's lives by ditching KSU after one year - and has left another trail of people in his wake who hate/can't stand him anymore.

Oh well.

Cedric
04-05-2007, 04:53 PM
I understand that completely - but he affected a lot of people's lives by ditching KSU after one year - and has left another trail of people in his wake who hate/can't stand him anymore.

Oh well.

Why do fans think that college coaches live for them? I'll never understand it.

Nick Saban and all these guys get heat for choosing a new job. These players leave for the NBA or transfer on a whim also.

dabvu2498
04-05-2007, 05:12 PM
These players leave for the NBA or transfer on a whim also.

Not really. If a player wanted to transfer he would have to ask for a release from his current school.

Chip R
04-05-2007, 05:14 PM
Not really. If a player wanted to transfer he would have to ask for a release from his current school.


And a coach has to ask to be released from his contract.

Puffy
04-05-2007, 05:24 PM
I wouldn't doubt that he had an out clause for WVU

Roy Tucker
04-05-2007, 05:30 PM
If I'm not mistaken, players have to sit out a year if the transfer. Coaches don't.

And if I were a betting man, I'd say that's because the NCAA is afraid of getting sued by a coach but isn't afraid of getting sued by a player.

I understand all the reasons and rationale for Huggins leaving. I just don't like it. C'est la vie.

CrackerJack
04-05-2007, 08:05 PM
Why do fans think that college coaches live for them? I'll never understand it.


I wasn't referring to "fans" but the players who followed him there and their families, who in this case literally moved to Manhattan.

Basically he just screwed KSU and his players big time, as soon as a better opportunity came up.

No one wanted him a year ago and KSU gave him an opportunity, so what does he do? Says "buh-bye fools!"

Huggins is a poor example for kids everywhere, and is honestly just a bloated jerk I've lost all respect for. And this again coming from a lifelong UC fan.

marcshoe
04-05-2007, 08:07 PM
I've heard there was a WVU clause in the contract also, but I'm not sure. I understand his buyout was only $100,000.

This'll be interesting; that's for sure. Huggins is the anti-Beilein.

But if people really want to become WVU fans now, they ought to know that it isn't KSU gear that's traditionally burned....;)

Chip R
04-05-2007, 09:48 PM
But if people really want to become WVU fans now, they ought to know that it isn't KSU gear that's traditionally burned....;)


http://www.visi.com/~kleric/couch.jpg

Cedric
04-05-2007, 10:41 PM
I wasn't referring to "fans" but the players who followed him there and their families, who in this case literally moved to Manhattan.

Basically he just screwed KSU and his players big time, as soon as a better opportunity came up.

No one wanted him a year ago and KSU gave him an opportunity, so what does he do? Says "buh-bye fools!"

Huggins is a poor example for kids everywhere, and is honestly just a bloated jerk I've lost all respect for. And this again coming from a lifelong UC fan.

Really? His ex players wouldn't probably agree with you. But they might be a little further from the man from you, I dunno.

Red Heeler
04-05-2007, 11:10 PM
It seems to me that there are two types of very successful coaches. Those that choose to build their career, and those that choose to build legacies. Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Jim Tressel (it seems), Bob Knight, Jim Beheim, Coach K, etc. either have or will have monuments built for them at their schools. Billy Donovan, among others, may be following in their shoes. Petino, Calipari, and Spurrier tried the career path, only to find that it didn't really suit their style. Bill Parcells, Nick Saban, and countless others have all been successful while constantly searching for the next best deal. If it were me, I would choose the healthy salary and the statue on the quad. OTOH, who is to say that those who choose the biggest paycheck are wrong?

beb30
04-06-2007, 12:22 AM
He said it had nothing to do w money. Im sure he feels bad about his decision he made but jesus sometimes u have to do what u want to do he already passed his dream job once bc of wanting to do the right thing for other people why should he let the opportunity pass again with how well the last time went none of us would.

Johnny Footstool
04-06-2007, 01:04 AM
I can't say I blame the man for leaving KSU to coach his alma mater. After all, Griffey Jr. demanded a trade out of Seattle to come home to Cincinnati and play for the Reds. Huggins is just living out his lifelong dream.

rdiersin
04-06-2007, 09:45 AM
Really? His ex players wouldn't probably agree with you. But they might be a little further from the man from you, I dunno.


Maybe, maybe not, but people around his current players apparantly aren't too happy about it.


“Where’s the loyalty?” said Sonny Vaccaro, who has served as an adviser to Walker. “Here’s a case where a young person was again put in jeopardy for the benefit of others who should have known better. The adults have the freedom to break every heart in the world. The young kids don’t have the freedom to do anything. This is wrong.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/sports/ncaabasketball/06coaches.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

Hoosier Red
04-06-2007, 12:26 PM
Is Kansas State better today or before he arrived? KSU knew what it was getting into. If Huggins coached well, there was always a good chance he'd be a candidate somehwere else.
How is this any different than Thad Matta, Billy Gillespie, or Todd Lickliter?

Buckeye33
04-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Is Kansas State better today or before he arrived? KSU knew what it was getting into. If Huggins coached well, there was always a good chance he'd be a candidate somehwere else.
How is this any different than Thad Matta, Billy Gillespie, or Todd Lickliter?

I think people are more pissed because he left after only being someplace for one year.

The coaches you listed were at the schools they left for multiple years. It's the one year thing that is really getting under peoples skin.

Chip R
04-06-2007, 12:37 PM
I think people are more pissed because he left after only being someplace for one year.

The coaches you listed were at the schools they left for multiple years. It's the one year thing that is really getting under peoples skin.


Well, didn't Thad leave Butler after 1 year?

rdiersin
04-06-2007, 12:49 PM
Is Kansas State better today or before he arrived?

That's kind of a difficult question, isn't it. It has the chance to be better. If the recruits stay and they get a coach that motivates them and they want to play for, then yes, they could be better off today. But, this is a top recruiting class that came to play for Huggins. If they don't end up going to KSU, or transfer or play in Europe, then KSU is kind of left hanging. So, they could be better or they could be just where they were before he came.

BRM
04-06-2007, 01:45 PM
Well, didn't Thad leave Butler after 1 year?

He left for Xavier after only one season.

Hoosier Red
04-06-2007, 01:54 PM
So players that would never have considered Kansas State before last year may or may not come now that Huggins is gone.

Improving the odds from 0% to 25% is an improvement I would think.

If Kansas State didn't have a short list of candidates within 24 hours of something thats been speculated for weeks, they don't deserve a top 25 program.

rdiersin
04-06-2007, 02:12 PM
So players that would never have considered Kansas State before last year may or may not come now that Huggins is gone.

Improving the odds from 0% to 25% is an improvement I would think.

If Kansas State didn't have a short list of candidates within 24 hours of something thats been speculated for weeks, they don't deserve a top 25 program.

What happens if those players do all try to go with Huggins, though? That wouldn't be much of an improvement at all, now would it. It could be worse considering how late it is to find replacements. Sure, its a worse case senario. As a whole, yes it probably is a better program than it was, but it is possible that it could be worse than when he came. What its done is create a lot of uncertainty for a program that wasn't exactly solid before he came. I don't know that I blame him, considering its WVU.

That aside, it is interesting to think. Is he better off going to WVU? Sure WVU is the better program, but with the class he was having come in and style of play that the returning players at WVU are used to, was this the best choice?

Buckeye33
04-06-2007, 02:51 PM
From what is being said on some other message boards, Kansas State will not release the incoming recruiting class from their letters of intent. The incoming recruits will either have to tranfer and sit out a year or go play in Europe for a year and enter next years NBA draft (for a guy like Beasley).

KSU claims that this has always been their policy in these situations, just no one cared before.

Matt700wlw
04-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Huggs may have quite a team following him to West Virginia....

Heath
04-06-2007, 04:27 PM
From what is being said on some other message boards, Kansas State will not release the incoming recruiting class from their letters of intent. The incoming recruits will either have to tranfer and sit out a year or go play in Europe for a year and enter next years NBA draft (for a guy like Beasley).

KSU claims that this has always been their policy in these situations, just no one cared before.

.....and that is what will drag Kansas State to the continued depths of college basketball.

I'm not a Bob Huggins supporter at all. I did when he was at Akron - and he left Akron when he was good. He did a good job with the juco kids at UC.

But, there are jobs that you have a chance to work near home or be at your alma mater. I think that Kansas State doesn't have the foresight to think that Bob Huggins is always going to stay at Manhattan.

Kansas State would be smart to let everyone else out of the scholarships and start over. They haven't had basketball since Mitch Richmond took them to the Elite Eight.

paintmered
04-06-2007, 04:31 PM
From what is being said on some other message boards, Kansas State will not release the incoming recruiting class from their letters of intent. The incoming recruits will either have to tranfer and sit out a year or go play in Europe for a year and enter next years NBA draft (for a guy like Beasley).

KSU claims that this has always been their policy in these situations, just no one cared before.

As a UC fan, that is a relief. The last thing I want my Cats facing is a Huggy Bear led WVU team loaded with 5-star talent twice next season.

WMR
04-06-2007, 04:50 PM
I'm really anxious to see what he'll do with WV. Good school for Hugs to recruit from.

TeamSelig
04-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Really dumb for KSU to do that... those players didn't sign to play for KSU they signed to play for Huggins (obviously; KSU isn't exactly a great school and Kansas isn't the greatest state in the world either)

marcshoe
04-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I would imagine that the next K-state coach would have a say, too. If he sees conflict with the players in question, he could ask the school to give them their release.

Reds4Life
04-06-2007, 09:56 PM
Frank Martin is now the head coach at K-State. He was Huggs assistant out there, and was an assistant to Andy Kennedy at UC as well.

If K-State refuses to release Beasley or anyone else Martin is going to have a tough time attracting talent like that in the near future. You don't punish high school kids for something they had no control over (Huggins leaving).

Personally, I think hiring Martin is a poor move. They are trying to save the recruiting class, which is fine, but Martin has never been a head coach on the D1 level in his life, much less in a power conference.

Johnny Footstool
04-06-2007, 10:17 PM
(obviously; KSU isn't exactly a great school and Kansas isn't the greatest state in the world either)

I used to think the same thing, wondering why recruits from Chicago and points east would ever want to come to Kansas. But after reading about Sherron Collins' life in Chi-Town, I can certainly see how a calm, suburban lifestyle would appeal to some of these inner-city kids.

marcshoe
04-06-2007, 10:23 PM
K-State also retained Huggins' assistant Dalonte Hill as Associate Head Coach (I think that's the correct title). SI says that Hill was the reason Beasley chose KSU, and that Beasley calls him a "big brother".

SI also said that the AD said he wouldn't release any players until after a new coach was hired, not that he wouldn't release any players at all. I thought I'd heard that today but wasn't sure.

rdiersin
04-07-2007, 01:52 PM
I used to think the same thing, wondering why recruits from Chicago and points east would ever want to come to Kansas. But after reading about Sherron Collins' life in Chi-Town, I can certainly see how a calm, suburban lifestyle would appeal to some of these inner-city kids.

And its not like Lawrence is a horrible place to be. Lawrence is a very nice college town from what I could see when I was there for a conference.

Johnny Footstool
04-07-2007, 02:03 PM
And its not like Lawrence is a horrible place to be. Lawrence is a very nice college town from what I could see when I was there for a conference.

Lawrence is a great college town, and it's only 45 minutes away from KC.

Manhattan is quite a bit more isolated, but I could see how it might appeal to kids who are used to living next door to crackhouses.

Degenerate39
04-08-2007, 09:23 AM
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Huggins begins new era for West Virginia fans

By VICKI SMITH<, Associated Press Writer
April 7, 2007

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) -- Very briefly, Bob Huggins showed his sensitive side.

West Virginia's fiery new coach was decidedly soft-spoken at his first news conference Friday, admitting he got choked up walking into the arena in which he played 30 years ago.

Next fall's season opener may even draw a few tears.

"I'll have a hard time not crying," the West Virginia alum said. "I mean that sincerely. ... For me not to be emotional is probably not realistic. I'm probably going to have a towel -- you know, so I can hide, so you don't see how bad it is.

"I don't want them to think I'm soft," he said. "'Cause I'm not soft."

Huggins was hired just two days after John Beilein jumped to Michigan. That opened the door for Morgantown-native Huggins to come home to what he's long told people was his dream job.

"I want to stay here as long as I can do what I'm supposed to do and as long as you people will have me," he said Friday.

The 53-year-old Huggins played for the Mountaineers from 1975-77, then spent the first year of his coaching career here as a graduate assistant.

He received a five-year contract from WVU that guarantees him $800,000 in the first year, the same salary he was drawing at Kansas State. Over that five-year period he will earn about $5 million, plus incentives, said Athletic Director Ed Pastilong.

"It's a very good contract both ways," Pastilong said. "Financially it was lateral (for Huggins), and secondly, it was very similar to what we were operating with in this position in the past."

Huggins said the negotiation was probably the shortest in history, joking that Pastilong refused to lend him reading glasses to study the fine print on his contract: "Eddie said, 'It'll be fine, sign here."'

Though Huggins had turned down West Virginia once before in 2002, he couldn't refuse his alma mater again. He was the first choice to replace then-retiring Gale Catlett, but negotiations broke down in the final hours and he wound up staying at Cincinnati.

"I wanted to be here since I was a little kid. Sometimes for whatever reasons it's not the right time," Huggins said of why he didn't take the job five years ago.

"Thanks for letting me come home," he said.

Although he's established himself as one of the premier college basketball coaches in the nation over the past quarter-century, Huggins has had his troubles away from the court.

He spent 16 seasons at Cincinnati, leading the Bearcats to 14 consecutive NCAA tournaments and one Final Four. But critics targeted his program for low graduation rates, a series of player arrests and NCAA rules violations that ultimately led to probation and a reduction in scholarships.

Huggins said it would take too long to explain why criticism over graduation rates was unfair, but he noted the NCAA does a better job now of calculating those rates.

"I think people forget the fact that I graduated magna cum laude," he said. "If I didn't care about academics I wouldn't have had a 3.97."

Huggins sat out the 2005-06 season after he was fired from Cincinnati, but he returned to the sidelines after Kansas State hired him in March 2006. He had five years left on his contract and must pay $100,000 for breaking it early.

He led the Wildcats to a 23-12 record and an NIT berth, and signed what is considered to be the No. 1 recruiting class in the nation.

He stands just 10 wins shy of 600 career victories.

marcshoe
04-08-2007, 09:26 PM
I saw today that Beasley said that he hasn't asked to be released from K-state yet, but he may do so to go to Memphis or a couple of other schools. He was upset with Huggins for leaving, though, and WVU wasn't an option.

After watching the USA/World game yesterday, I'd love to see Patterson come to WVU.