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gobucks106
04-07-2007, 01:20 PM
With Uncle Milty getting the start Sunday it looks like Jon Countlangus will go down to Triple A. Now the real questions will begin to surface if Milton gets hammered and as Majewski & Bary get healthy. I'm all for Livingston get a shot at starting. He did however give up four runs in five ininngs in his Louisville debut. I really like what Sanots and Saarloos have given as to start the year. I like how Narron is using them and when he is using them. Now with all that said what happens when Majewski and Bray are ready. I say we swing a deal for Cormeir if we can and Bray replaces him and then we do the same thing with Burton. Give Oakland some kind of compensation and we keep him. Send him to Triple A for some seasoning. Harang, Arroyo, Loshe, Belisle, & Livingston in the rotation. Saarloos, Santos, Majewski, Weathers, Stanton, Bray, & Coffey in the pen. Closer by commitee until Evereyday Eddie is back. I like what I've seen from Stanton, Weathers, & Saarloos so far. Theirs no guarantee Eddie comes back. I think down the road Burton has the stuff to close and not to mention Bailey comes up at some point if Livingston struggles. He's a better option now than Milton. Let's hope the bullepen continues what they are doing. The offense will be their. Love what our 1B platoon is doing so far. GO REDS!!!

roby
04-07-2007, 06:05 PM
With Uncle Milty getting the start Sunday it looks like Jon Countlangus will go down to Triple A. Now the real questions will begin to surface if Milton gets hammered and as Majewski & Bary get healthy. I'm all for Livingston get a shot at starting. He did however give up four runs in five ininngs in his Louisville debut. I really like what Sanots and Saarloos have given as to start the year. I like how Narron is using them and when he is using them. Now with all that said what happens when Majewski and Bray are ready. I say we swing a deal for Cormeir if we can and Bray replaces him and then we do the same thing with Burton. Give Oakland some kind of compensation and we keep him. Send him to Triple A for some seasoning. Harang, Arroyo, Loshe, Belisle, & Livingston in the rotation. Saarloos, Santos, Majewski, Weathers, Stanton, Bray, & Coffey in the pen. Closer by commitee until Evereyday Eddie is back. I like what I've seen from Stanton, Weathers, & Saarloos so far. Theirs no guarantee Eddie comes back. I think down the road Burton has the stuff to close and not to mention Bailey comes up at some point if Livingston struggles. He's a better option now than Milton. Let's hope the bullepen continues what they are doing. The offense will be their. Love what our 1B platoon is doing so far. GO REDS!!!

It would be a shame to have to send Coutlangus down for Eric Milton. Cout looked good in todays game, and I really think he's ready to contribute at the Major league level. I'm afraid (and I hope I'm wrong, believe me!) that sending Milton out there tomorrow is just throwing in the towel for an automatic loss. The Reds have been so good in the spring and so far in the regular season, that losing feels intolerable. Why not skip Milton and let Arroyo pitch in his regular spot. He has had four days rest. Keep the winning going while we can!

pedro
04-07-2007, 06:06 PM
I think Coutlangus goes down until they can dump Cormier.

roby
04-07-2007, 06:07 PM
It would be a shame to have to send Coutlangus down for Eric Milton. Cout looked good in todays game, and I really think he's ready to contribute at the Major league level. I'm afraid (and I hope I'm wrong, believe me!) that sending Milton out there tomorrow is just throwing in the towel for an automatic loss. The Reds have been so good in the spring and so far in the regular season, that losing feels intolerable. Why not skip Milton and let Arroyo pitch in his regular spot. He has had four days rest. Keep the winning going while we can! There seems to be no good reason to send Milton to the mound tomorrow

guttle11
04-07-2007, 06:24 PM
There seems to be no good reason to send Milton to the mound tomorrow

There's no good reason to send any of the options out there, but someone has to pitch tomorrow. You want a lefty in your rotation if at all possible. I have no problem with giving Milton a few starts to see if he can pitch at a 5th starter level.

If it doesn't work out and Livingston does well in Louisville, then give him a few cracks at it.

dougdirt
04-07-2007, 06:38 PM
I think Coutlangus goes down until they can dump Cormier.

Why do I find this post so funny?

jimbo
04-07-2007, 06:40 PM
There seems to be no good reason to send Milton to the mound tomorrow

I bet Castellini can think of 10.3 million reasons why.

AtomicDumpling
04-07-2007, 06:45 PM
Isn't it nice to actually have a surplus of quality relief pitchers?

Instead of overpaying in a desperate attempt to upgrade the bullpen like we did last year, we have the luxury of selecting from a wide range of good options this year.

Maybe we could upgrade one of our field positions by trading a couple of relievers like Cormier, Stanton or Bray. We could use upgrades at centerfield and first base. We may need a quality starter too if/when Milton falters.

Maybe Votto and Bray to Tampa Bay for Carl Crawford (who is reportedly on the market)? Crawford won't come cheaply.

Dracodave
04-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Isn't it nice to actually have a surplus of quality relief pitchers?

Instead of overpaying in a desperate attempt to upgrade the bullpen like we did last year, we have the luxury of selecting from a wide range of good options this year.

Maybe we could upgrade one of our field positions by trading a couple of relievers like Cormier, Stanton or Bray. We could use upgrades at centerfield and first base. We may need a quality starter too if/when Milton falters.

Maybe Votto and Bray to Tampa Bay for Carl Crawford (who is reportedly on the market)? Crawford won't come cheaply.

That trade would suck for Tampa Bay, you might Cantu for that offering but not Crawford.

Start with Bailey or Cueto for Crawford.

cacollinsmba
04-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Maybe Votto and Bray to Tampa Bay for Carl Crawford (who is reportedly on the market)? Crawford won't come cheaply.


That seems like a lot to give up for someone that doesn't really address our needs. He's mainly a LF. And he is a left handed hitter.

AtomicDumpling
04-07-2007, 07:03 PM
I just tossed Crawford's name out there as an example. I know he would be expensive to acquire, but he is only 25 years old. His contract is pretty cheap for a star player. The Devil Rays salary limit is so low that they are rumored to be shopping him because they don't want to pay him. The Rays will want very good prospects in return. If we can package Votto and/or Jay Bruce to get him then I think we should.

But really Crawford was just an example. Since we have a surplus of quality arms in the bullpen it would make sense to find out what holes we could fill by trading a couple of them.

What holes do we have on the Reds? Help me list them.

1. We need a better centerfielder than could hit leadoff. Freel is decent but would be a better utilityman.

2. We don't have a true #3 hitter -- a guy with high batting average and good power.

3. We need another good starting pitcher (who doesn't?).

4. We need a true Closer for the bullpen. A fireballing strikeout artist.

5. We could use a stud, powerhitting first baseman.

Since we have good players we can't use and we have some valuable prospects, it just makes sense to at least shop around to see what we could get. Right? This is an unfamiliar position for the Reds. It speaks well to Krivsky's efforts to build up the whole system.

reds44
04-07-2007, 07:05 PM
1. Freel is fine.

2. Edwin.

3. who doesn't?

4. We aren't the only one's lacking one.

5. We have power elsewhere, but I think we could use another righty bat. I don't have a problem with our 1st base platoon though.

pedro
04-07-2007, 07:05 PM
Problem is that Crawford can't really play CF.

GADawg
04-07-2007, 07:09 PM
what if Milton pitches well? It seems to be a forgone conclusion around here that he's gonna fall on his face but I'd like to see it go the other way. Sometimes I think if he pitches well that there will be a lot of disappointed people around here....strange

HumnHilghtFreel
04-07-2007, 07:12 PM
Sometimes I think if he pitches well that there will be a lot of disappointed people around here....strange

I don't think anyone here would be dissapointed if he pitches well... for the entire season.

People are going to be upset if he turns in a few decent starts and then turns back into Eric Milton when he's established himself in the rotation.

Eric_Davis
04-07-2007, 09:46 PM
We're in a position right now we haven't been in for years.....more good pitchers than roster spots available. That's a recipe for success.

jmac
04-07-2007, 09:55 PM
We're in a position right now we haven't been in for years.....more good pitchers than roster spots available. That's a recipe for success.

Yeah and the problem is sending one down that doesnt deserve it !

mound_patrol
04-07-2007, 09:59 PM
Has Bailey pitched yet this year. I'm all in favor of skipping Milton and letting Arroyo start. That would buy us a few more days to see how the bullpen shakes out.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-07-2007, 10:07 PM
Has Bailey pitched yet this year. I'm all in favor of skipping Milton and letting Arroyo start. That would buy us a few more days to see how the bullpen shakes out.

He's scheduled to start tomorrow.

reds44
04-07-2007, 10:09 PM
With an off day next Thursday, will we skip Milton in the rotation? If not, he's scheduled to pitch Saturday in Chicago when I'm there. I hope we skip him.

mound_patrol
04-07-2007, 10:10 PM
He's scheduled to start tomorrow.

Awesome. Hopefully its a successful start to the season. We need a 5th starter solution. And Milton isn't it

George Foster
04-07-2007, 10:21 PM
There seems to be no good reason to send Milton to the mound tomorrow

I guess Narron and the Brain trust think if Milton cannot keep us in the game facing the Pirates....he is done! The Pirates will be lucky to win 70 games this year.

jnwohio
04-07-2007, 10:32 PM
Has Bailey pitched yet this year. I'm all in favor of skipping Milton and letting Arroyo start. That would buy us a few more days to see how the bullpen shakes out.



I think it is too early in the season to be using Arroyo on short rest, especially when he threw so many pitches in his previous start.

Also there is probably some strategic thinking going on by Narron. Using his pitchers this way, he starts the road trip with one of his aces, and has the one of them to open in the 2nd city and can come back with Arroyo again (with full rest) on either Saturday or Sunday at the end of the trip.

All this said, I hate the thought of probably throwing away a game by starting Milton. And I agree even if he does OK this time and maybe the next, between his knee and his elbow, he probably does not have the stamina to stay in the rotation and be productive. Does anyone have any idea wheher the Reds might have insurance on him which would kick in if his knee or arm breaks down? If so maybe that is what they are hoping for by sending him to the mound.

Newman4
04-07-2007, 10:49 PM
Why do I find this post so funny?

I think it's freakin hilarious. I'm glad someone else has the pervertedness to find humor in his name.:beerme: The only thing to make it better would be something like "Coutlangus goes down to take his licks at AAA".

BigREDSfaninKY
04-08-2007, 01:59 AM
what if Milton pitches well? It seems to be a forgone conclusion around here that he's gonna fall on his face but I'd like to see it go the other way. Sometimes I think if he pitches well that there will be a lot of disappointed people around here....strange


Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of butt. Asking Milton to pitch well is like, well hoping the Easter bunny visits tonight and that's not happening.

WVRedsFan
04-08-2007, 02:42 AM
"Everybody's Favorite Uncle," as Marty calls him is a problem. He doesn't need to be anywhere near a mound in Great American Ballpark, and I'm surprised they didn't hold him off until the team got out of town. It amazes me that they can hold Edwin Encarnacion in the minors too long because they want to or Austin Kearns because of his attitude, but will rush Eric Milton back up to pitch in the bitter cold when he's recovering from a bad back.

If you've ever had back problems, you'll know that cold weather is your enemy. Now, combining the cold weather with Milton's back problem and then add in the Great American Ballpark, and it just might get ugly tomorrow. And if it does, you might remember that the "brain trust" decided to bring him back tomorrow (today now) which might lead you to wonder if the "brain" in "brain trust" is an accurate description...