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gobucks106
04-08-2007, 04:43 PM
5 2/3 Innings 4 earned runs 10 hits 1 BB 6 K's. Not awful but certainly not great! Threw alot of pitches and started to tire in the sixth. Narron should have pulled him after the first double of the inninng. He had to know five innings was going to be about his limit today. I'd say give him at least a couple more stars. Let him build some arm strength. I also didn't think his velocity was where it needs to be. Maybe if het gets a couple more starts he'll improve. Time will tell.

Degenerate39
04-08-2007, 04:44 PM
God lets hope not but I'm sure the answer is yes.

redsfan30
04-08-2007, 04:47 PM
You can't cut him after one start, but I'd sure not be sleeping real well for the next couple weeks if I were in Eric's shoes.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-08-2007, 04:48 PM
My notes:

1. Milton should never go past the 5th inning, that's why he should be no more than the #5 starter. Guys kill him the 2nd and 3rd time through the lineup historically.

2. His leg wasn't landing very far down the hill through his delivery at all. He was throwing with nothing but his arm. I don't usually pay close attention to these things, but it was very apparent to me as I watched the game today. Maybe he just had a lot of stiffness from the cold.

3. 10 hits in 5.2 is a lot. And most of them were hit hard, in warmer weather, that'll be worse.

4. Even with all that, he DID keep us relatively close.

He probably earned another start in the eyes of Jerry Narron though.

Raisor
04-08-2007, 04:50 PM
You can't cut him after one start, .



sure you can.

dougdirt
04-08-2007, 04:52 PM
sure you can.

OK, you can.... but they wont.

WMR
04-08-2007, 04:54 PM
If they started him today they'll start him tomorrow (figuratively speaking).

Milton is a totally known quantity.

Even today he could have just as easily given up 8 as he did 4. He throws meatballs.

Wait till the temperature rises and watch the fireworks ensue.

Ravenlord
04-08-2007, 05:11 PM
did Milton's performance for the day earn another start...15.87 H/9 from today. that's all i'm saying.

WMR
04-08-2007, 05:13 PM
did Milton's performance for the day earn another start...15.87 H/9 from today. that's all i'm saying.

:roll: :lol: :roll:

So in other words: YES. :laugh:

:bang:

MrCinatit
04-08-2007, 05:17 PM
1. Milton should never go past the 5th inning, that's why he should be no more than the #5 starter. Guys kill him the 2nd and 3rd time through the lineup historically.


This is a very good point, and one that everyone in baseball seems to know, except for Narron.
If he were to be kept for an extended period of time, keep him on a strict 5-inning limit.

Redlegs
04-08-2007, 05:20 PM
He was one out away from a quality start. I think that qualifies for another opportunity particularly from your #5 starter.

Rotater Cuff
04-08-2007, 05:28 PM
You can't cut him after one start, but I'd sure not be sleeping real well for the next couple weeks if I were in Eric's shoes.

if it was me, I'd be sleeping just fine, counting 9 million sheep over and over.

Handofdeath
04-08-2007, 05:32 PM
This is a very good point, and one that everyone in baseball seems to know, except for Narron.
If he were to be kept for an extended period of time, keep him on a strict 5-inning limit.

I would rather keep him on a 5-pitch limit.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-08-2007, 05:33 PM
did Milton's performance for the day earn another start...15.87 H/9 from today. that's all i'm saying.

Not that I don't agree with you, but by this logic, Lohse gives up 13.5 H/9.

Although the hits he gave up weren't quite as hammered as Uncle Milty's.

CTA513
04-08-2007, 05:37 PM
I think they should have let him start in the minors some more to see if he could get his fastball back over 86-88 mph.

Matt700wlw
04-08-2007, 05:39 PM
Yes he did.

He really didn't pitch all that "bad" if you look at it from the fifth starter role.

I also think those 10 hits could have done a lot more damage in the thinner, warmer air...however, it wasn't the case.

My leash is still very short.

Patrick Bateman
04-08-2007, 05:40 PM
He didn't earn anything, and he hasn't for the last 3 years. No reason to continue trotting him out there.

Of course, there is zero chance he gets pulled from the rotation. He did nothing today to hurt his chances. His performance today was basically on par with his norm. If management hasn't pulled him up to this point, he's given them no extra reason to do it now.

Matt700wlw
04-08-2007, 05:48 PM
It's pretty sad that the best we can expect is not for him to be good, but just not to be too bad.

:help:

Handofdeath
04-08-2007, 05:59 PM
I honestly think his numbers would be more acceptable with Reds fans if not for that salary. If you look at the starting staffs of teams that had some success last season you'll see that quite a few pitchers had ERA's north of 5.00.

flyer85
04-08-2007, 06:04 PM
He'll likely get more ... Milton has earned a thing since he's been a Red.

guttle11
04-08-2007, 06:12 PM
Unfortunately, he did.

You can't fault him for Duke silencing the bats.

thatcoolguy_22
04-08-2007, 06:25 PM
he'll get a few more but with WK stashing away players on the DL and what not I think his tenure with the reds will be over sooner rather than later. I think maybe he is auditioning for the rest of mlb... IMO

Royals Fan
04-08-2007, 06:30 PM
Great Stat from Marty in today's game. Eric Milton has started 61 games for the Reds last couple of year and he has surrender 71 home run in his starts. Pretty intersting figure.Reds still have him for 8.5 M this year.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-08-2007, 06:36 PM
I think maybe he is auditioning for the rest of mlb... IMO

I don't think he's going to get the part.

Ravenlord
04-08-2007, 06:43 PM
Not that I don't agree with you, but by this logic, Lohse gives up 13.5 H/9.ok then, how's this.


ERA IP K/BB BB/9 K/9 H/9 HR/9 WHIP OBA SLG OPS
5.90 344.2 2.31 2.48 5.72 10.71 1.83 1.47 336 512 848
if a pitcher came up and put up these numbers over several call-ups, he'd almost assuredly be released. to put the OPS total into perspective, the average NL hitter OPSed 761 last year. that means the average NL hitter turns into Jeff Kent or or Richie Sesxon when facing Eric Milton.

KronoRed
04-08-2007, 06:49 PM
I don't think he's going to get the part.

AAA maybe.

HokieRed
04-08-2007, 07:00 PM
I don't see how it can be an issue of whether he's earned the start. We know exactly what he's going to do. They either decide that that's the best option at the moment or it's not, and they try another strategy. The alternative's not at all clear, and so I suspect we'll continue to see Milton get starts. It makes sense to have a lefthander in the rotation; Sarloos and Santos look as if they are going to be extremely valuable to the bullpen; Livingston's first start at Louisville was rocky. Homer's not ready. In a few weeks, it may be time to ask whether Livingston, Phil Dumatrait, or even Camilo Vazquez is a possible alternative. If I had to choose another option now, it'd be Saarloos. But if he can develop into a Scott-Sullivan style innings eater from the bullpen, then he's awfully valuable in that role. My guess is we continue to see Milton every fifth day for at least a month.

TOBTTReds
04-08-2007, 07:03 PM
No he did not earn it. This is exactly how he pitched all of last year and the year before that. His $9 mil contract earns him another start in the eyes of management.

jmac
04-08-2007, 07:23 PM
Listening to JN comments leading up to this game, I dont think Milty will have a long leash !

reds44
04-08-2007, 07:24 PM
Listening to JN comments leading up to this game, I dont think Milty will have a long leash !
What did he say?

Newman4
04-08-2007, 07:24 PM
ok then, how's this.


ERA IP K/BB BB/9 K/9 H/9 HR/9 WHIP OBA SLG OPS
5.90 344.2 2.31 2.48 5.72 10.71 1.83 1.47 336 512 848
if a pitcher came up and put up these numbers over several call-ups, he'd almost assuredly be released. to put the OPS total into perspective, the average NL hitter OPSed 761 last year. that means the average NL hitter turns into Jeff Kent or or Richie Sesxon when facing Eric Milton.

I'm glad you put that out there. I was thinking to myself, "man, the difference is that they hit Milton so freakin hard." Those stats just kinda say what I was thinking if that makes any sense.

Falls City Beer
04-08-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm glad you put that out there. I was thinking to myself, "man, the difference is that they hit Milton so freakin hard." Those stats just kinda say what I was thinking if that makes any sense.

When people hit Milton's stuff, it's nearly impossible to field it; hitters mash his stuff. That's got to be demoralizing for the defense as well.

Newman4
04-08-2007, 07:34 PM
When people hit Milton's stuff, it's nearly impossible to field it; hitters mash his stuff. That's got to be demoralizing for the defense as well.

Seems like Marty was saying "off the wall", "in the gap" "looking up....", etc. all day.

Patrick Bateman
04-08-2007, 07:51 PM
When people hit Milton's stuff, it's nearly impossible to field it; hitters mash his stuff. That's got to be demoralizing for the defense as well.

Not really. HIs career BAPIP of .292 is well within the norm for pitchers. It may seem that way, but other than HR's his stuff is batted around no more than the average guy. Thsi has been true even during the last 3 years when he has been absolutely pummeled.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-08-2007, 07:51 PM
ok then, how's this.


ERA IP K/BB BB/9 K/9 H/9 HR/9 WHIP OBA SLG OPS
5.90 344.2 2.31 2.48 5.72 10.71 1.83 1.47 336 512 848
if a pitcher came up and put up these numbers over several call-ups, he'd almost assuredly be released. to put the OPS total into perspective, the average NL hitter OPSed 761 last year. that means the average NL hitter turns into Jeff Kent or or Richie Sesxon when facing Eric Milton.

Like I said, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I just figured there were other stats that clearly pointed out how bad he is. I think these tell the story a lot better. When it gets hit, it gets ka-boomed with Milton.

Big Daddy P
04-08-2007, 08:03 PM
Uncle Milty at his usual level of putridness today! Too bad MLB games aren't 3 or 4 innings, because he'd be a hall of famer!

Just pathetic and sad to trot him out every 5th day...

Can somebody have Paul Wilson call him and invite him into semi-cushy retirement deep in the backwoods of Nowhereville! They can tell old war stories as they scoff down a couple dozen six packs, and groom each others beards.

Please, REDS management, release him yesterday if not sooner and stop our pain! Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

reds44
04-08-2007, 08:15 PM
Unfortunately, he did.

You can't fault him for Duke silencing the bats.
You can fault him for 10 hits in 5 and 2/3rds.

Falls City Beer
04-08-2007, 08:19 PM
Not really. HIs career BAPIP of .292 is well within the norm for pitchers. It may seem that way, but other than HR's his stuff is batted around no more than the average guy. Thsi has been true even during the last 3 years when he has been absolutely pummeled.

I'm talking about distance of hits (doubles, homers), not hits themselves. His career SLGA is bad, well-below average.

jmac
04-08-2007, 08:37 PM
What did he say?

He just kept mentioning about how Milton needed to keep the ball down and they would see what happened or something to that effect.
It just reminded me of the way the talk got before Jimmy Haynes last couple of starts.