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Joseph
04-09-2007, 11:00 AM
Did anyone hear this guy a few days back lambasting the city of Cincinnati?

Here are a few of the snippets of the mans diatribe

• "What is it with Cincinnati? ... For how small a city it is, is it me or does Cincinnati have a disproportionate number of bottom-feeders and low-level gutterballs?"

• "Jerry Springer, Pete Rose, the Bengals, Bob Huggins, wild chick on an airplane, Larry Flynt ... They're not serial killers, they just have no class."

• "I mean, I live in a city that's essentially the same size, Hartford. We don't have half the problems, half the weirdos."

• "I mean, it's just boring. People get in trouble. It's just boring."

[Thanks to Cincy Jungle.com for the transcript to those comments]

I heard the [I think] entire rant on I think Friday on Willie's show on 700, and the man just went on and on and on about how terrible the city of Cincinnati and essentially the entire region is [so think about that you N. Kentuckians and Daytoners before you are too quick to agree with his assessment].

I know he's the equivalent of Howard Stern for sports, but I can't believe ESPN thinks this guy has merit as a sports host. I've never been one to send a letter to the editor, but I am in serious debate about emailing the powers that be at ESPN radio and asking them to do...what I don't know.

He thinks Cincinnati has no class? Has he looked in the mirror lately?

westofyou
04-09-2007, 11:03 AM
"I mean, I live in a city that's essentially the same size, Hartford. We don't have half the problems, half the weirdos."

Now Hartford is a scary city, scary cops, scary, creepy stuff there.

guttle11
04-09-2007, 11:05 AM
I can't believe people actually take stuff like this seriously. I thought it was hilarious.

Redsland
04-09-2007, 11:07 AM
They're not serial killers, they just have no class.
Manson is from Loveland and went to Walnut Hills.

westofyou
04-09-2007, 11:13 AM
Manson is from Loveland and went to Walnut Hills.

Miller Huggins went to Walnut Hills... Chili too Briefly (IRRC)

Joseph
04-09-2007, 11:14 AM
Manson is from Loveland and went to Walnut Hills.

He didn't say there were no serial killers from there, just that Rose and Huggins etal were not serial killers.

For the record, I live some 3+ hours away, so I'm not a resident, I was just offended [for lack of a more proper term].

macro
04-09-2007, 11:37 AM
I may be wrong, and often am, but I don't think Cowherd means to be taken seriously. I've always kinda considered his show a sort of stand-up comedy act, where he cuts on people and regions but is doing it, more or less, as good-natured ribbing. He cuts on something or somebody every day. It's kinda like Mike and Mike cut on one another daily, but do it as best friends. In this case, the recipients of Cowherds cuts are whomever or whatever he happens to be talking about that particular day.

That being said, it doesn't mean that people have to like it or be happy about it.

Heath
04-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Who is Colin Coward?

:dunno:

cincy jacket
04-09-2007, 12:21 PM
On a somewhere related note, did anyone hear his "Blow up random website" topic a few days ago. The jist of the whole thing was to send tons of people to one website that annoyed him each day and basically blow it up by using up all their bandwith ( or however that works I'm no expert on all that.)

He sent all his listners to thebiglead.com and it ended up being shut down all weekend. I don't know all the laws about this but could that be considered a crime? He purposefully tried to ruin some guys livelihood or at least bring him financial harm. It could be argued that he was just giving him free advertising but everyone knows that was not his real attempt. In retaliation though a related website has posted where he lives and his wifes cell phone number and the new ESPN obudsman blasted him in her column this morning.

WMR
04-09-2007, 12:45 PM
Intent is everything in situations like that and, wow, I took CyberLaw last semester and just off-hand I would say if you could show that the traffic for that site was 100% out of proportion to what they normally experience and these troubles were caused by overloaded servers which has never happened before, you would have a decent case for damages if they could be proven.

He might be surprised, but an enterprising DA or Federal Prosecutor could probably use one of these new-fangled cyberlaw statutes to charge him under that as well.

Now if he says, "Go to that website and tell them how dumb they are" etc. etc., then he has a better argument to cover his butt. What someone would have to show is that he intended to hurt their website/business and instructed his listeners to go to that site for that very reason.

cincy jacket
04-09-2007, 12:54 PM
Intent is everything in situations like that and, wow, I took CyberLaw last semester and just off-hand I would say if you could show that the traffic for that site was 100% out of proportion to what they normally experience and these troubles were caused by overloaded servers which has never happened before, you would have a decent case for damages if they could be proven.

He might be surprised, but an enterprising DA or Federal Prosecutor could probably use one of these new-fangled cyberlaw statutes to charge him under that as well.

Now if he says, "Go to that website and tell them how dumb they are" etc. etc., then he has a better argument to cover his butt. What someone would have to show is that he intended to hurt their website/business and instructed his listeners to go to that site for that very reason.


When he told people to go there he said go there and see if we can blow it up. He played explosion soundtracks in the back and bragged after that it only took 90 seconds to do it. He said he was planning to blow up random websites every day on his show from now on. Which I highly doubt will happen now.

So I guess if there is another Mike Nifong out there who wants to get his picture on tv we could see charges filed.

WMR
04-09-2007, 12:56 PM
Yep, very easily, CJ. Haha, why do I see Cowherd getting a call from ESPN's legal department?

What a dumb idea and yeah from what you say it sounds like his intentions are pretty much self-evident.

Chip R
04-09-2007, 01:19 PM
It appears this has already got the attention of their new Ombudsman

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=2830113

Cowherd's 'attack' on blog: 'Zero tolerance'
By Le Anne Schreiber
ESPN Ombudsman


Shortly after introducing myself to ESPN's audience in my first column Thursday, I checked the ombudsman's mailbag. It was jammed with dozens of messages of outraged complaint against ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd, who had called on his listeners that afternoon to shut down an Internet site by flooding it with visitors beyond the capacity of its bandwidth.

The "random site" he chose to attack was thebiglead.com, a sports blog that is sometimes unmercifully critical of ESPN. "We shut it down in 90 seconds," Cowherd boasted on air. "We don't even know thebiglead." After a bit more gloating, he said "We apologize -- but just don't screw with us." Then he asked his listeners to "knock it out again, just for fun." The attack launched over the airwaves by Cowherd kept thebiglead.com shut down for more than 48 hours.

Some of the politer terms my correspondents used to describe Cowherd's behavior were immature, irresponsible, arrogant, malicious, destructive and dumb. I agree.

The official response from ESPN's communication department was: "Our airwaves should not be used for this purpose. We apologize." It is the kind of bland public statement that does little to assuage the anger and distrust of ESPN's audience over an episode like this. I could not tell from that statement how seriously ESPN regarded the offense, so I contacted Traug Keller, senior vice president, ESPN Radio, to get a clearer idea of ESPN's reaction.

Keller responded immediately to my request for an on-the-record statement. "We talked to Colin Cowherd, and we talked to all our radio talent, making it clear that you cannot do this," Keller said Friday. "Our airwaves are a trust, and not to be used to hurt anyone's business. Such attacks are off limits. Zero tolerance. I can't say it any stronger."

Keller said that he had not formulated a policy about such attacks on Internet sites until now because he had never imagined the possibility of them.

I appreciated Keller's quick, forthright response.

Now that ESPN Radio has such a policy, I presume such attacks will be treated as an offense that warrants suspension. In determining penalties for his airwave players, perhaps Keller should exchange notes with NBA commissioner David Stern and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

This is not the planned second posting I mentioned at the end of Thursday's introductory column. That will come later this week.

pedro
04-09-2007, 01:38 PM
Manson is from Loveland and went to Walnut Hills.

Born in Madison Place IIRC.

pedro
04-09-2007, 01:40 PM
Cincinnati is a lot nicer than Hartford from what I can remember.

Redsland
04-09-2007, 02:14 PM
Born in Madison Place IIRC.
Branch Hill (across the Little Miami from Loveland-Madiera).

Reds Freak
04-09-2007, 02:24 PM
I can't say that I'm really offended by the rant. But I am offended by the fact that ESPN employs this guy and radio stations actually run this show. Does anyone actually listen to it? It's horrible. He basically develops his favorite phrase or sentence of the day and repeats it over and over again. It's unbearable. I don't know who is worse: Rome or Cowherd.

timmario66
04-09-2007, 03:11 PM
I can't say that I'm really offended by the rant. But I am offended by the fact that ESPN employs this guy and radio stations actually run this show. Does anyone actually listen to it? It's horrible. He basically develops his favorite phrase or sentence of the day and repeats it over and over again. It's unbearable. I don't know who is worse: Rome or Cowherd.

Tony Bruno

Joseph
04-09-2007, 03:12 PM
Tony Bruno

Bruno is just boring [I find myself longing for the return of Piecoro]. Rome is too....I dunno. I'm not going to say anything about Cowherd because momma taught me better. :)

remdog
04-09-2007, 03:17 PM
The rant is just bombast. Purposefully doing harm to another media site/internet location/individule in the manor in which he did (useing public airways to do so) is unethical. Frankly, even without a published poicy on the part of ESPN, I think this guy should be suspended for at least the same amount of time that the internet site was down.

Rem

redsfan1966
04-09-2007, 04:04 PM
Colin Cowherd is a hack....'nuff said

redsfanmia
04-09-2007, 04:23 PM
I find Cowherd's show very entertaining and funny.

guttle11
04-09-2007, 04:25 PM
I find Cowherd's show very entertaining and funny.

Me too. He does cross the line from time to time, but overall it's a light hearted, hilarious show.

Danny Serafini
04-09-2007, 04:29 PM
As long as you don't take him too seriously Colin's pretty good. He doesn't come across as the most knowledgeable person about sports, and he's definitely blinded by style over substance (the guy believes Jose Canseco belongs in the Hall of Fame because he's so famous for crying out loud). But if you take him for what he is, entertainment, he's pretty darn funny.

WMR
04-09-2007, 04:33 PM
I find his show unlistenable. But then again, my standards are pretty high as to what I enjoy. Howard Stern--admittedly I don't enjoy his show now as much as I used to--and Dan Patrick are about the only talk radio people that I can stomach for more than a couple minutes. I can handle Jim Rome in very limited amounts as well. As long as he doesn't talk about soccer, jeez he sounds so foolish riffing on how lame and boring soccer is. His approach to soccer is just so intellectually lazy.

dabvu2498
04-09-2007, 04:50 PM
I find his show unlistenable. But then again, my standards are pretty high as to what I enjoy. Howard Stern--admittedly I don't enjoy his show now as much as I used to--and Dan Patrick are about the only talk radio people that I can stomach for more than a couple minutes. I can handle Jim Rome in very limited amounts as well. As long as he doesn't talk about soccer, jeez he sounds so foolish riffing on how lame and boring soccer is. His approach to soccer is just so intellectually lazy.

I like Mike and Mike pretty well (but the spend too much time promoting upcoming events) and most of the guys on XM 175 are decent.

The rest of ESPN, SNRN, and FSRN can stick it.

WMR
04-09-2007, 04:53 PM
Yeah Mike and Mike are okay too. I never hear them b/c if I'm in the car that time of day, I'm listening to Stern. Greenberg gets on my nerves a bit. He tries to play up the metrosexual angle to create the contrast with Golic way too much, IMO.

redsfan1966
04-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Mike and Mike in the Morning is the most annoying, unlistenable piece of dreck on sports radio...."Yeeeeessss, Greeeeenie"....ech! I tried listening to Baseball This Morning on XM 175 but cannot get past the annoying Mark Patrick...and before you think I am all hate--I do like the 2pm hour of Dan Patrick with Olbermann ;Jim Rome and Tony Kornheiser...

Joseph
04-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Mike and Mike in the Morning is the most annoying, unlistenable piece of dreck on sports radio...."Yeeeeessss, Greeeeenie"....ech! I tried listening to Baseball This Morning on XM 175 but cannot get past the annoying Mark Patrick...and before you think I am all hate--I do like the 2pm hour of Dan Patrick with Olbermann ;Jim Rome and Tony Kornheiser...

You know, I hate to do this, but I agree on the Baseball This Morning show. Originally I was so thankful for 24/7 baseball, and I do still listen because it IS baseball, but Patrick, and Destrade, and Martinez don't get it done for me anymore in the AM.

I'd love for them to Get rid of 5/6 of the on air talent and find some new stuff.

bucksfan
04-09-2007, 06:14 PM
I'm not a fan of Cowherd at all. Regardless of his intent - to be funny or to be informative, or to be controversial - he just does not sit well with me. But then again most of the "people like him" (I realize a sweepeing generalization here) tend to turn me off.

I do enjoy Mike and Mike because they at least come off a likable guys to me (whether I agree with them or not) and in general they seem to avoid the preposterous statements, accusations, or lingering obvious displays of negative bias. They, at least in some moments, entertain me.

Ltlabner
04-10-2007, 06:39 AM
I find Cowherd's show very entertaining and funny.

I've only heard it a few times here and there but I enjoyed it also. I took it as a lunatic ranting on the radio about different things and he was generally funny. His rif on going to South Beach and eating for $40 a day was fantastic. I certinally didn't consider him any sort of "authority" regarding serrious sports discussions. But for what he is, I thought he was funny. Then again, I like Willy Cunningham for the same reason, so what do I know?

I don't really listen to the radio to learn or be educated on different subjects, I listen to it to be entertained. I want to laugh and have fun, not have some college level lecture serries thrown at me. So I don't lose a wink of sleep when a guy like this says something that I dissagree with.

dabvu2498
04-10-2007, 08:39 AM
You know, I hate to do this, but I agree on the Baseball This Morning show. Originally I was so thankful for 24/7 baseball, and I do still listen because it IS baseball, but Patrick, and Destrade, and Martinez don't get it done for me anymore in the AM.

I'd love for them to Get rid of 5/6 of the on air talent and find some new stuff.

It was better when Bowa was still around. Bowa would tell Mark Patrick where to shove it.

Jaycint
04-10-2007, 12:25 PM
Bruno is just boring [I find myself longing for the return of Piecoro]. Rome is too....I dunno. I'm not going to say anything about Cowherd because momma taught me better. :)

Obviously just my opinion to follow:

Jeff Piecoro was without a doubt the worst sports show I have ever listened to in my life. Combine two parts boring, with a pinch of awkward delivery, 3 parts conversation about stuff that I can't imagine most people tune in to listen about (high school sports), marinate for two hours and out pops the Piecoro Show.

Bruno is boring to me as well but is a marked improvement over Piecoro if for no other reason than I don't have to worry about him breaking down a midseason matchup between Glen Este and Colerain.

I enjoy Rome but I listen to it for entertainment value and to laugh, not for hardcore sports convo. If I want that I switch over to Dan Patrick.

cincinnati chili
04-10-2007, 05:17 PM
I actually think Cowherd can be very, very funny. He did a similar rant about Philadelphia a few months back that about made me drive off the road. He pretty much painted Philadelphians as a bunch of Rocky-loving, Lenny Dykstra-loving, Mike Schmidt-hating, illiterate, bitter people with an inferiority complex to the other 3 major East Coast Cities. "Boston Has the Brains . . . New York has the money . . . DC has the power . . . Philly has the cheesesteak."

Having said that, he's plan wrong to call Hartford a supreior city to Cincinnati. It's not. It's got every bit as many problems (crime and bad public schools), more traffic, more expensive to live, plus it's geographically less interesting. I lived 50 minutes from Harford for 4 years. I lived in Cincinnati for 15.

Cowherd did it for a cheap laugh. He's wrong. But this doesn't offend me like racial humor (Imus) or something like that.

One anecdote about the lameness of Hartford. My wife and I lived in a small town - Northampton, Mass., 43 miles up I-91 from Hartford. Hartford has a population of 124,000 (which in itself makes Cowherd's comparison to Cincy suspect). The city of West Hartford is 60,000 or so. So let's round up to 200,000 people.

Anyway, Hartford is so lame that people would routinely drive the 43 miles to Northampton (population 29,000) on Friday and Saturday nights to find a good restaurant.

Lame, lame, lame.

Granted, Northampton is about as hip a small town as you'll find in America. But sould you imagine if Cincinnati restaurants sucked so bad that people routinely drove to Batesville, Indiana to have a romantic evening out together? It's kinda like that. That's Hartford.

Rein's deli in the Eastern suburbs is a notable exception. Storrs, CT (another suburb, where UCOnn is) is nice too. But Harford sucks.

dsmith421
04-10-2007, 05:31 PM
So I guess if there is another Mike Nifong out there who wants to get his picture on tv we could see charges filed.

I'm assuming you disapprove since you've brought up Nifong. I have to respectfully disagree. This is the kind of thing that should be charged in order to set a precedent. In Cowherd's case, it was just lame and mostly harmless. But when you consider the possibilities in the political or social arena, I think there's a potential problem here. The Internet is still new technology and the law has been slow to catch up.

wheels
04-10-2007, 05:37 PM
I actually think Cowherd can be very, very funny. He did a similar rant about Philadelphia a few months back that about made me drive off the road. He pretty much painted Philadelphians as a bunch of Rocky-loving, Lenny Dykstra-loving, Mike Schmidt-hating, illiterate, bitter people with an inferiority complex to the other 3 major East Coast Cities. "Boston Has the Brains . . . New York has the money . . . DC has the power . . . Philly has the cheesesteak."

Having said that, he's plan wrong to call Hartford a supreior city to Cincinnati. It's not. It's got every bit as many problems (crime and bad public schools), more traffic, more expensive to live, plus it's geographically less interesting. I lived 50 minutes from Harford for 4 years. I lived in Cincinnati for 15.

Cowherd did it for a cheap laugh. He's wrong. But this doesn't offend me like racial humor (Imus) or something like that.

One anecdote about the lameness of Hartford. My wife and I lived in a small town - Northampton, Mass., 43 miles up I-91 from Hartford. Hartford has a population of 124,000 (which in itself makes Cowherd's comparison to Cincy suspect). The city of West Hartford is 60,000 or so. So let's round up to 200,000 people.

Anyway, Hartford is so lame that people would routinely drive the 43 miles to Northampton (population 29,000) on Friday and Saturday nights to find a good restaurant.

Lame, lame, lame.

Granted, Northampton is about as hip a small town as you'll find in America. But sould you imagine if Cincinnati restaurants sucked so bad that people routinely drove to Batesville, Indiana to have a romantic evening out together? It's kinda like that. That's Hartford.

Rein's deli in the Eastern suburbs is a notable exception. Storrs, CT (another suburb, where UCOnn is) is nice too. But Harford sucks.


If I recall correctly, he stole that rant from comedian Bill Burr. Burr's was more profanity laced and was a reaction to fans booing a comic that came before him.

Cowherd must poke around the web quite a bit.

cincy jacket
04-11-2007, 10:20 AM
I'm assuming you disapprove since you've brought up Nifong. I have to respectfully disagree. This is the kind of thing that should be charged in order to set a precedent. In Cowherd's case, it was just lame and mostly harmless. But when you consider the possibilities in the political or social arena, I think there's a potential problem here. The Internet is still new technology and the law has been slow to catch up.


No I wouln't dissaprove if charges were filed at all. Especially if his rant cost some guy out of making a living for a few days. There is a difference from making a joke about Cincinnati and causing financial harm to a guy trying to run a business (I'm not sure if thebiglead.com is a money making site or not just hypothesizing.) He should at least be responsible for any financial harm he brought to the guy and maybe more.

gm
04-14-2007, 09:30 PM
"College" Cowherd's focus is NCAA football, that's what got him from the Portland market to "The World Wide Leader..." Right now it's the "offseason" and he's got morning commute hours to fill, so cut him some slack.

(Fortunately for me, his "Spanning the Globe" segment falls into my morning drive time, so I usually hear the mini-interviews and miss the rants)