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kaldaniels
04-12-2007, 02:21 AM
Looking for a quick response before bed....he's earned it if you ask me. Start him 2 of 3 vs. the Cubs and I'm happy.

WVPacman
04-12-2007, 02:23 AM
I look for Freel and JR to play so imo the only way that he will play is to give Dunn a rest.

Matt700wlw
04-12-2007, 02:31 AM
Will he? I don't know.

SHOULD he? Without question.

Razor Shines
04-12-2007, 02:32 AM
Narron said before the game that he'll ride Hamilton as long as he's hitting.

KronoRed
04-12-2007, 02:35 AM
Put Freel on the bench, start Hamilton

Nugget
04-12-2007, 06:40 AM
:thumbup:
Put Freel on the bench, start Hamilton

zombie-a-go-go
04-12-2007, 07:06 AM
Put Freel on the bench, start Hamilton

Lord help me, I agree with this.

Always Red
04-12-2007, 07:13 AM
Put Freel on the bench, start Hamilton

I agree; you've got to go with the hot bat.

RedFanAlways1966
04-12-2007, 08:55 AM
Tough situation... but a good one to have as long as no one is whining. :thumbup:

butlerbulldogs
04-12-2007, 10:09 AM
give Phillips a night off, put Freel at 2b

Marge'sMullet
04-12-2007, 10:14 AM
What if the Reds didn't have Junior's and Milton's big contracts.

We could have a much better team. Better #5 and pen better depth (with the $$), and Hamilton playing everyday in RF.

mbgrayson
04-12-2007, 10:33 AM
Per Trent's blog:
"Narron said he expects to start both Encarnacion and Hamilton on Friday. He could put Hamilton in center and use Freel somewhere in the infield, like second in place of the scuffling Brandon Phillips."

BRM
04-12-2007, 10:38 AM
John Fay seems to think Freel may sit since he has struggled against Zambrano.



Does he play Friday in Wrigley? If so, the guess is he's in center for Ryan Freel. Freel's 3-for-16 vs. Carlos Zambrano. Ken Griffey's 7-for-18 with two jacks

coachw513
04-12-2007, 10:47 AM
give Phillips a night off, put Freel at 2b

Agreed...give Phillips, Encarnacion (not Friday) and Dunn 1 day off during the series...Freel plays 3, Griffey 3, Hamilton 3, Dunn 2, Encarnacion 2, Phillips 2, 1B platoon 3, C platoon 3 and Gonzo 2 (I'd give him 1 day off and give Castro a start)...

Your coldest hitters Phillips and EE get 1 day off...you keep running Hamilton out there and your offense doesn't suffer with Freel instead of Castro at 3B and at 2B...Castro over Gonzo isn't a huge downgrade for a day...

Sounds easy, but I'm sure there are matchup factors, etc...

Reds Fanatic
04-12-2007, 11:22 AM
This is from C. Trent's blog about Hamilton:


Anyway, here's what Josh said about playing at Wrigley: "They always say its the Friendly Confines, but I hear different, Hamilton said. Well see about that.

Also, Josh said there were some kids in right field hounding him all night, saying, "Hamilton, you suck!" But after his double and homer, they were screaming "Hamilton, you rock!" I told him it's better that than going the other way around.

KronoRed
04-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Lord help me, I agree with this.

Band wagon jumper :evil:

M2
04-12-2007, 01:02 PM
At this point I think Hobbs should be in the starting lineup except against wicked lefties. Might as well see how far this phenomenon goes. As I've said multiple times, the Reds need a few heroes to carry this team. If Hobbs is going to keep running around in a cape, don't stop him.

Degenerate39
04-12-2007, 01:04 PM
Band wagon jumper :evil:

I think we're all jumping on the Hamilton band wagon right now

Razor Shines
04-12-2007, 01:09 PM
At this point I think Hobbs should be in the starting lineup except against wicked lefties. Might as well see how far this phenomenon goes. As I've said multiple times, the Reds need a few heroes to carry this team. If Hobbs is going to keep running around in a cape, don't stop him.

Yeah, I agree, keep running him out there. That home run he hit last night was silly. He was fooled on that ball, but he kept his hands back and flipped it to left. Most guys flip it to left and get a bloop single, he hits it out of the park, that's a rare talent.

OnBaseMachine
04-12-2007, 06:56 PM
Absolutely Josh Hamilton should start. This guy is simply incredible. He's fast, he plays great defense, he hits for power to all fields, he's got a great eye at the plate, and he loves the game. Josh Hamilton is my hero. He's going to be a superstar for a long time, IMO.

reds44
04-12-2007, 07:03 PM
He'll be there vs. Big Z.

I hoping like no other he starts Saturday when I'm there, but a lefty is on the hill I don't know.

With Seabass out for at least the next 3 days, the easy solution is Phillips at SS, Freel at 2B, and Hamilton in CF. We'll see if that's what Narron does.

Degenerate39
04-12-2007, 07:08 PM
He'll be there on Saturday vs. Big Z.

I hoping like no other he starts Saturday when I'm there, but a lefty is on the hill I don't know.

With Seabass out for at least the next 3 days, the easy solution is Phillips at SS, Freel at 2B, and Hamilton in CF. We'll see if that's what Narron does.

That's the logical thing to do but I'm afraid Narron will put Castro at short.

Falls City Beer
04-12-2007, 07:51 PM
Since this team is about as exciting as a bowl of vanilla tofu ice cream covered in sugarfree chocolate syrup, yeah, I'd like to see the x-factor stick around for as long as his hand stays hot.

KronoRed
04-12-2007, 09:23 PM
I see it like this, Ryan Freel probably won't be a member of the next Reds team to reach the playoffs, Hamilton has a chance to be.

Caveat Emperor
04-12-2007, 09:39 PM
I think we're all jumping on the Hamilton band wagon right now

Certainly beats the rickshaws that've passed for bandwagons around here the past few seasons.

In fact, what's not to like about this bandwagon? A story of trials, falls, and redemption all wearing a Cincinnati Reds uniform and playing the role of slugger-hero.

And, much as people would like to forget it, having Jerry Narron and his brother around the team is really helping to make this happen.

toledodan
04-13-2007, 12:35 AM
I see it like this, Ryan Freel probably won't be a member of the next Reds team to reach the playoffs, Hamilton has a chance to be.



krono, thats my point as well. if we take the rose colored glasses off we know we're a long shot to make the playoffs. hamilton needs to play almost everyday. also if votto continues to develope i hope the reds bring him up this season and move hatteburg. having hamilton, votto, EE and phillips in the everday lineup gives me hope for the future.:thumbup: :beerme:

TRF
04-13-2007, 11:12 AM
Since this team is about as exciting as a bowl of vanilla tofu ice cream covered in sugarfree chocolate syrup, yeah, I'd like to see the x-factor stick around for as long as his hand stays hot.

Ok, this I disagree with, and I am as pessimistic as anyone on this board. I'm not overly excited about the 'pen, but it's been pretty effective.

I'm practically giddy about the way Belisle has started out. Big test on Tuesday.

The offense hasn't quite clicked yet, but Dunn is locked in, Jr is starting to show his power is returning. Freel is getting on base.

The defense has been good. the SP outside of Milton and Lohse has been good. the pen so far has been good. The bench has been good. The offense has been meh except for Dunn and Freel. But I see that as something that will work itself out.

Maybe I just want to believe.

registerthis
04-13-2007, 11:26 AM
The more this Hamilton story unfolds, the more the Devil Rays organization is looking increasingly inept (as if they didn't already).

Were they simply clueless as to his talent? Did they think he had no chance whatsoever to ever play in the majors? Did they think his baggage was too much for any team to take a chance on?

Even considering all of those things, you would think any organization that had a player with the raw skills and talent of Hamilton would hold onto him until the last possible ounce of hope was drained. It's not like he was costing them a fortune, or even a roster spot. Yet they lost him for essentially nothing. It really does boggle the mind.

KronoRed
04-13-2007, 12:34 PM
I'm guessing they thought nobody would take a shot on a guy like Hamilton.

But they hadn't counted on...the Kivsky ;)

M2
04-13-2007, 12:56 PM
The more this Hamilton story unfolds, the more the Devil Rays organization is looking increasingly inept (as if they didn't already).

Were they simply clueless as to his talent? Did they think he had no chance whatsoever to ever play in the majors? Did they think his baggage was too much for any team to take a chance on?

Even considering all of those things, you would think any organization that had a player with the raw skills and talent of Hamilton would hold onto him until the last possible ounce of hope was drained. It's not like he was costing them a fortune, or even a roster spot. Yet they lost him for essentially nothing. It really does boggle the mind.

To give Tampa Bay credit, they had him for eight years and he showed nothing in rookie ball last year. That he's been able to completely remake his game without the benefit of playing is astounding. There's no point in looking to baseball for precedents. He's a mix of Bernard Malamud, O Henry, Horatio Alger, Arthur C. Clarke and Roger Zelazny.

The D-Rays had no way of knowing he'd enter the realm of living narrative. Where the story goes is anyone's guess. He could be a star or his bubble could burst. Yet Tampa Bay's loaded with prospects it had to keep on the 40-man roster and what Hamilton's done the past two months is surreal. If anything, it's yet another indication that the universe exists to mock the Devil Rays.

klw
04-13-2007, 01:32 PM
yes he will start.
Lineup:
Phillips 2B
Hamilton CF
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Encarnacion 3B
Hatteberg 1B
Valentin C
Castro SS
Harang P

WebScorpion
04-13-2007, 01:39 PM
The Enquirer says yes. :thumbup:

Expect Reds To Play Hamilton (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070413/SPT04/704130371/)

From the article:
"We've got to get him on the field with what he's done," Narron said. "It's not easy playing four outfielders. But we'll work it out."
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I'm sure Narron realizes he can play Freel at 2nd and move Phillips to SS while Gonzalez is out, but I'm not sure he's willing to take the defensive hit. Castro @ SS + Phillips @ 2B + Hamilton @ CF > Phillips @ SS + Freel @ 2B + Hamilton @ CF defensively. We'll see ... either way, having too many options is a good problem to have. :thumbup:

EDIT: It took me so long to enter my message (work keeps getting in the way!) that the lineups are out. He sat Freel...I guess he really values the defense up the middle.

registerthis
04-13-2007, 02:28 PM
To give Tampa Bay credit, they had him for eight years and he showed nothing in rookie ball last year. That he's been able to completely remake his game without the benefit of playing is astounding. There's no point in looking to baseball for precedents. He's a mix of Bernard Malamud, O Henry, Horatio Alger, Arthur C. Clarke and Roger Zelazny.

The D-Rays had no way of knowing he'd enter the realm of living narrative. Where the story goes is anyone's guess. He could be a star or his bubble could burst. Yet Tampa Bay's loaded with prospects it had to keep on the 40-man roster and what Hamilton's done the past two months is surreal. If anything, it's yet another indication that the universe exists to mock the Devil Rays.

I don't doubt that any of this is true, but I suppose the astounding part of this story, for me, is that he was made available in the Rule 5 draft. It's not that the Rays lost him, it's that they literally gave him away.

That Hamilton's even playing at the major league level--much less having some degree of success doing it--is certainly an unheard of story. It's exceptional. Still, the talent had always been there, and with Hamilton's newfound focus on taking advantage of his "last chance", I would have thought the Rays would have at least been the team to give him that chance. After all, they had invested so much into him.

Clearly, though, I'm wrong. And, no, contrary to weather reports, the sun doesn't shine too bright on Tampa Bay.

Dom Heffner
04-13-2007, 02:36 PM
And, no, contrary to weather reports, the sun doesn't shine too bright on Tampa Bay.

With the roster the Rays have, I wouldn't take a chance on Josh Hamilton. Everybody's surprised at how well he's doing, which means nobody thought he would come back. And as much as I love Hamilton, I'm not willing to say he's worth it just yet, becuase he could go Deion Sanders on us tomorrow.

And if I'm Tampa Bay- an outfield of Delmon Young, Carl Crawford, and Baldelli or Dukes isn't anything to be ashamed of.

Caveat Emperor
04-13-2007, 02:50 PM
And if I'm Tampa Bay- an outfield of Delmon Young, Carl Crawford, and Baldelli or Dukes isn't anything to be ashamed of.

Truth. Tampa Bay has a fairly good crop of prospects out there. Its hard to argue with the logic of not protecting Hamilton.

Hell, the Reds aren't protecting Jay Bruce currently, and he looked all-world at Single-A ball last year.

membengal
04-13-2007, 03:13 PM
They don't have to protect Jay Bruce yet. When the time comes, if they don't put him on the 40-man, they will lose him too...

registerthis
04-13-2007, 04:16 PM
And as much as I love Hamilton, I'm not willing to say he's worth it just yet, becuase he could go Deion Sanders on us tomorrow.

But that's kind of my point. You're not ready to say Hamilton is "worth it"--but what is "it"? He's earning the league minimum and taking up a roster space, and if he goes Prime Time on us he can be jettisoned back to the Rays for $50 grand. That's nothing.

Sure, the Rays have a fine outfield, and perhaps there was no place for Hamilton there. It's the fact that he was left exposed to the Draft, where he could be lost for literally nothing, that surprised me. When you have to pay nothing, why not take a flyer on him? I'm sure that was the Reds thinking. And as for the Rays, like I said they had invested millions in the kid, not to mention countless coaching hours and otherwise--you'd think they'd appreciate some degree of return on their investment, even if it was only a couple of low-level prospects. Instead they got nada.

Undoubtedly, Hamilton's level of play thus far is making Tampa's decision seem much worse; but I had these thoughts from the moment the Reds claimed him in the draft. A player with these tools--even one who to that point had shown no signs of ever fully utilizing them--would surely be worth *something*.

membengal
04-13-2007, 05:27 PM
After today, I am guessing he should go ahead and start tomorrow too...

Dom Heffner
04-13-2007, 05:58 PM
And as for the Rays, like I said they had invested millions in the kid, not to mention countless coaching hours and otherwise--you'd think they'd appreciate some degree of return on their investment, even if it was only a couple of low-level prospects. Instead they got nada.


I haven't followed the saga as closely as you guys have, but I'm guessing the thinking is this: if you've already put in millions, and you have one of the best young outlfields in baseball as it is, why not cut your losses?

It's much easier for a team who has nothing vested in him but a roster spot to give him a chance than a team like the Rays who have a farm system that is filthy rich with talent and an offense that stacks up against anybody's.

I like Hamilton as a chance pick up rather than a long term investment that got off to the start he did here.

But in hindsight, sure, the Rays made a mistake so far, and I'm pretty happy they did, even though I'm really starting to like the Rays.

Jaycint
04-13-2007, 07:29 PM
ESPN ran a piece last night on Hamilton, not sure exactly when it was shot, but all the footage they showed of him was still in Rays gear. I came in after the intro to it so I'm sure I probably missed where they said what a hot spring he was off to for the REDS but if I didn't know any better I would have thought he still played for Tampa based on the clips.

Why can't the worldwide leader get a couple recent video clips to attach to the story? I know it's nit-picky but it irritated me...

Kc61
04-13-2007, 08:27 PM
After today, I am guessing he should go ahead and start tomorrow too...

Hamilton had a little trouble with lefties today. Struck out against them last two at bats. Might not be ready to start against Cubs lefties Sat and Sun. Freel should start those games.

KYRedsFan
04-13-2007, 09:17 PM
All of our lefties struggled today vs their lefties. He should remain in there, hopefully it's cloudy though, that drop was brutal. Though wrigley is tough on outfielders.