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Ringo
04-12-2007, 10:27 AM
I started a thread last year that several of you enjoyed, so I'll bring it back for this year. For those who are new or didn't see it last year, it's basically a way I've always broken down the season into a golf scorecard.

There are 162 games in a season, and 18 holes on a golf course. If you divide 162 by 18, you get 9. That means that every nine games the Reds play is the equivalent of one hole of golf. Next, we need to establish par. If you watch a tournament, even par isn't going to be good enough to win, but it will probably have you on the leaderboard on Sunday and you'll probably cash a nice check. In baseball terms, I figured that number to be about 90 wins...not going to be enough to make the playoffs in most seasons, but probably going to have you in the chase through most of September and probably keep your fans relatively happy. So, if 90 wins is "par", we just divide 90 by our 18 holes and get 5. That means if the Reds go 5-4 over a nine game stretch, they get a par. 6-3 would be a birdie, 4-5 a bogey, etc.

I started doing this when I was younger as a way to keep an even keel throughout the season, much like I realized I needed to keep an even keel on the golf course. How many times do you make a double or triple bogey and then wind up wasting the next couple of holes because your head is still ticked off about that putt you just missed? I started playing better golf when I learned to let the bad shots disappear and focus instead on only the next shot. Today, I can make a double bogey and calm myself by reminding myself that I'm still on track to reach my goal for the day.

Similarly, last night's victory in Arizona completes 2007's first hole with a par (5-4). It would be easy to get upset about how it should have been a birdie (or maybe even an eagle), but I also remind myself that par is a good number, it keeps us on track with my overall goal for the season, and now I can just focus on the next game, series, and hole. That's not to say I wasn't upset on Monday and Tuesday nights, or that I won't be thinking of those games when we're 1 game out in mid September. I'm just saying this segmentation of the schedule helps me keep a positive outlook. Would have been nice to get an opening birdie, but you give me 17 more pars, and I'll take my chances in September.

KySteveH
04-12-2007, 10:57 AM
Execellent perspective!

If we can start the back nine at par, I would be very happy. Perhaps if we get to the 12th green, and we're still at par, WK will consider looking at a picking up a new state-of-the art driver, or at least replacing a couple of those cheap K-mart clubs with a Callaway or TaylorMade.

Highlifeman21
04-12-2007, 02:43 PM
How we doin so far?

I expect the Reds to have a Mickelson at the 2007 Masters type number by the end of the year.

membengal
04-12-2007, 03:03 PM
This is one of my favorite features on here. Thanks for bringing it back...

HumnHilghtFreel
04-12-2007, 03:07 PM
Great concept

redsrule2500
04-12-2007, 03:17 PM
I love this concept, but I somehow lost track of the thread last year. It'd be great to see this updated !!

MaineRed
04-12-2007, 04:04 PM
I agree. Keep this thread going. Every 9 games post how the Reds did and then maybe a preview of who the next nine are against.

Caveat Emperor
04-12-2007, 04:39 PM
I expect the Reds to have a Mickelson at the 2007 Masters type number by the end of the year.

That west coast roadtrip last year was certainly the equivalent of tripling the first hole on a Sunday.

LincolnparkRed
04-12-2007, 05:23 PM
Well the next 9 are

7 at home and 2 on the road brokendown as:

2 Mil @home
2 Hou @ home
3 Phi @ home
2 StL @ away

Should be able to go 4-3 at home and get a 1-1 start to the road trip.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-12-2007, 05:27 PM
We have a 3-game series in Chicago starting Friday.

Ringo
04-12-2007, 05:35 PM
If you do a search for "golf score", you can find last year's thread. It was kind of interesting reading through it this morning and reliving the ebbs and flows of the season. The catastrophe on the west coast was the last straw...never got updated after the 16th hole! Last year, by the way, had a brilliant double eagle on #2...let's hope we can recreate that magic again this year!

BuckeyeRedleg
04-12-2007, 06:47 PM
Hole number two worries me. Maybe it's the extreme wind condions (Chicago) combined with tight fairways and an extremely long rough (GABP). I predict a bogey.

membengal
04-18-2007, 08:14 AM
3-2 on this hole so far. 2-2 the next four gets Reds to another par. 3-1 and it's a birdie...

Eric_Davis
04-18-2007, 06:58 PM
If you do a search for "golf score", you can find last year's thread. It was kind of interesting reading through it this morning and reliving the ebbs and flows of the season. The catastrophe on the west coast was the last straw...never got updated after the 16th hole! Last year, by the way, had a brilliant double eagle on #2...let's hope we can recreate that magic again this year!

The clubs got thrown into the lake.

TC81190
04-18-2007, 09:20 PM
The clubs got thrown into the lake.

And subsequently defecated on by a bear.

MaineRed
04-21-2007, 09:12 AM
The Reds have a chance for par with a win today but with Milton pitching we are probably in the same position as this guy, looking for a TOUGH up and down to save it.



http://www.golfclubatlas.com/images/00000574.jpg

Marc D
04-21-2007, 10:24 AM
#1: (5-4) even
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +2
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How's this for a running scorecard?

Eric_Davis
04-21-2007, 01:08 PM
The Reds have a chance for par with a win today but with Milton pitching we are probably in the same position as this guy, looking for a TOUGH up and down to save it.



http://www.golfclubatlas.com/images/00000574.jpg

Yes, but we're on our home course, so we know it like the back of our hand.....and Milton pitched well last time out.

Marc D
04-21-2007, 11:20 PM
#1: (5-4) even
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1 over after 2.

Next 9
Phi
@ STL x3
@ Pitt x 3
@ Houston x2

Eric_Davis
04-23-2007, 03:26 PM
I think we 4-putted on that 2nd hole after reaching the green in 2.

redsrule2500
04-27-2007, 03:35 AM
This hole isn't starting out very well at all. I think the ball just went into the lake...

Marc D
04-27-2007, 05:41 PM
We have to take 4 of the next 5 to birdie this hole.

Fun stuff.

redsrule2500
04-28-2007, 05:51 PM
4 in a row to birdie :(

Marc D
04-29-2007, 04:59 PM
Left with a tough up and down to save par but sometimes you have to scramble well untill you find your swing.

Arroyo and Lohse on Tuesday and Wednesday. Arroyo couldn't be more due.

Marc D
05-02-2007, 12:05 AM
Scramled back to 4-4 but have a 20 foot putt named Oswald left to take this hole.

Marc D
05-02-2007, 11:54 PM
#1: (5-4) even
#2: (4-5) +1
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Left our par put short, +2 after 3 holes.

Next hole:
@ Hou
Col x 3
Hou x 4
@ LAD

LincolnparkRed
05-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Who made the Reds schedule 10 games vs. Houston in May and then we play them in second to last series of the year. That plus the 6 10 day road trips, seems to say, hey you need to screw a team with the schedule, well might as well be the reds

Marc D
05-05-2007, 11:48 AM
Already have to take 5 of the next 7 to par this hole, let alone birdie it.

This scoring method really shows how far the Reds are from being a legit .560ish winning team.

Marc D
05-12-2007, 10:31 AM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
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7 over after 5 holes. Wow.

Can't believe I let this gem slide.

We are officially playing a practice round now, might as well get drunk and have a decent excuse.

Current hole:
Wash x 3
Pitt x 4
@ Hou x 2

Lost the first 4 so far and no real hope of doing any better.

paintmered
05-12-2007, 10:44 AM
The Reds played the last hole like Jean van de Velde played the 72nd at Carnoustie.

Marc D
05-25-2007, 11:34 PM
Bumping due to masochistic tendencies.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-25-2007, 11:40 PM
Just mark them down for a snowman on this hole.

Marc D
06-01-2007, 10:25 PM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
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+9 after 6

Current hole:
@ Hou (L)
@ Col x 3
@ STL x 3
Cleve x 2

Highlifeman21
06-02-2007, 10:58 AM
On pace for +27.

Nice.

KronoRed
06-02-2007, 01:33 PM
At least we're out of the water hazard

smith288
06-04-2007, 01:44 PM
This is a pretty fascinating way to keep track of a team throughout a season. I wonder if I can chart this somehow...maybe even track all the teams.

Eric_Davis
06-04-2007, 05:25 PM
This looks just like my scorecard from a few days ago. Double-Bogey golf. I only had three clubs (putter, 5-iron, 9-iron), so I thought I did pretty good.

Hooligan
06-04-2007, 05:33 PM
I lost my ball a long time ago.:angry:

Marc D
06-04-2007, 07:48 PM
I only had three clubs (putter, 5-iron, 9-iron), so I thought I did pretty good.


With WK and JN being the braintrust of the organization Bob C is doing the same but telling everyone he's in it to win the tournament.

smith288
06-05-2007, 02:01 AM
Golf Chart (http://206.21.20.141:81/Golf.aspx)

http://206.21.20.141:81/temp/cin.png

smith288
06-05-2007, 10:57 AM
Reds Sox.... *sigh*

http://206.21.20.141:81/temp/bos.png

OldXOhio
06-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Having not read all the posts in this thread, is there any consideration being given to the idea that what might be "par" in the NL Central is not an equivalent number in another division, say the NL West. I would liken shooting par in the Central to playing Carnoustiein 30 mph gusts and driving rain. Par may be 90 wins, but that's on a course with a rating of at least three shots lower than what the central's playing.

Eric_Davis
06-05-2007, 01:51 PM
Having not read all the posts in this thread, is there any consideration being given to the idea that what might be "par" in the NL Central is not an equivalent number in another division, say the NL West. I would liken shooting par in the Central to playing Carnoustiein 30 mph gusts and driving rain. Par may be 90 wins, but that's on a course with a rating of at least three shots lower than what the central's playing.


Good point. Then we'd only be +3, and a couple of Eagles would put us right back in it.

smith288
06-05-2007, 02:15 PM
So we would need a moving goal post so to speak? That would make the chart making a tad harder...

Marc D
06-06-2007, 12:58 AM
Having not read all the posts in this thread, is there any consideration being given to the idea that what might be "par" in the NL Central is not an equivalent number in another division, say the NL West. I would liken shooting par in the Central to playing Carnoustiein 30 mph gusts and driving rain. Par may be 90 wins, but that's on a course with a rating of at least three shots lower than what the central's playing.


Regardless of course conditions, slope rating or anything else we are tracking to lose 102 and are 11.5 back on June 5th in the weakest division in baseball. I'd say you can stick a fork in this one. Eagles are pretty hard to come by for 27 handicappers.

BTW we now have to win 4 in a row to par this hole.

Eric_Davis
06-06-2007, 02:06 AM
Regardless of course conditions, slope rating or anything else we are tracking to lose 102 and are 11.5 back on June 5th in the weakest division in baseball. I'd say you can stick a fork in this one. Eagles are pretty hard to come by for 27 handicappers.

BTW we now have to win 4 in a row to par this hole.

I'm sick with laughter. :laugh:

OldXOhio
06-06-2007, 09:27 AM
Eagles are pretty hard to come by for 27 handicappers.



27??? You're being too kind. The Reds are the flat out worst golfer on a course full of scramble enthused, weekend hacks. If they're not a 36, I'm not sure who is.

Marc D
06-06-2007, 11:51 PM
This hole has now been officially bogeyd. 3 games left to add to that +1

We are going to lose 100+, thats just flat hard to do.

smith288
06-07-2007, 10:34 PM
Anyone know how we could calculate a par based on the current division leader? Maybe a sort of magic number for par?

paintmered
06-07-2007, 10:50 PM
Having not read all the posts in this thread, is there any consideration being given to the idea that what might be "par" in the NL Central is not an equivalent number in another division, say the NL West. I would liken shooting par in the Central to playing Carnoustiein 30 mph gusts and driving rain. Par may be 90 wins, but that's on a course with a rating of at least three shots lower than what the central's playing.

I think it's still valid, just with the idea that every team is playing a different course. Just as each hole varies in difficulty, so does each "hole" of the season. You could even assign handicaps for each completed and future hole.

smith288
06-07-2007, 11:25 PM
My thought is that each team's par will be compared to the current division leaders pace.

If a team is on pace to win 94 games, that's par.

Brewers are on pace to win 89 games so I figure thats par for the NL Central course whereas Boston is on pace to win 104 so itll be a tad tougher course for the Skankees.

smith288
06-08-2007, 01:15 AM
I made a change to my formula to check for the divisional leader's pace that I stated in the above post.

Over the weekend, my company is changing an IP so my link above will change but it should still work after I get the new IP.

But for now it works.

Golf Score (http://206.21.20.141:81/Golf.aspx)

http://206.21.20.141:81/temp/cin.png

Marc D
06-10-2007, 10:56 AM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
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Another double, we're now +11 after 7 holes. I'd say the course record (low) is safe another day.

Next hole:
Cleve x 1
LAA x 3
Tex x 3
@ Oak x 2


Only Texas has a sub.500 record. :help:

Highlifeman21
06-10-2007, 08:38 PM
On pace for +28.

That's basically shooting 50 on each side...

50 + 50 = 100 losses.

Anyone else see the pattern?

smith288
06-10-2007, 09:55 PM
On pace for +28.

That's basically shooting 50 on each side...

50 + 50 = 100 losses.

Anyone else see the pattern?
We need to hit from the women's tee with our stuff out?

Highlifeman21
06-11-2007, 04:23 PM
We need to hit from the women's tee with our stuff out?

If our offense is getting off the tee and hitting approach shots, and our pitching is chipping, pitching and putting, then we're spraying it off the tee inconsistently and we can't get up and down to save ourselves.

I understand drive for show, putt for dough, but right now we can't do either.

NJReds
06-11-2007, 05:44 PM
Can we pull an Michelle Wie and withdraw?

KronoRed
06-11-2007, 06:00 PM
Can we pull an Michelle Wie and withdraw?

Lets switch down to a lower level

Marc D
06-11-2007, 09:37 PM
Lets switch down to a lower level

There's a 9 year old blind girl flight...I think we would be competative.

smith288
06-14-2007, 11:32 AM
Updated graph (http://198.30.80.66:81/golf.aspx)

http://198.30.80.66:81/temp/cin.png

Marc D
06-23-2007, 07:43 PM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
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#8: (4-5) +1
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Traveling all week and got behind. Only a single bogey on that last one, all you can say is its better than a double.

Now +12 after 8 holes.

Hole #9
@ Oak L
@ Sea x 3
@ Phil x 3
Stl x 2

Highlifeman21
06-23-2007, 07:58 PM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
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#8: (4-5) +1
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Traveling all week and got behind. Only a single bogey on that last one, all you can say is its better than a double.

Now +12 after 8 holes.

Hole #9
@ Oak L
@ Sea x 3
@ Phil x 3
Stl x 2

Only on pace for a +24 now.

Steady improvement.

Keep that head down, relax the grip, etc...

Marc D
06-23-2007, 08:20 PM
Only on pace for a +24 now.

Steady improvement.

Keep that head down, relax the grip, etc...

Just go ahead and get drunk, then at least you have an excuse.

redsrule2500
06-23-2007, 11:41 PM
this thread would be much more active if we were winning

smith288
06-27-2007, 01:42 PM
this thread would be much more active if we were winning
YAY! Oh wait, + is bad...

http://198.30.80.66:81/temp/cin.png

texasdave
06-27-2007, 02:26 PM
The Reds need to be Tiger Woods with a pocketful of mulligans to get back into contention.

Heath
06-28-2007, 11:35 AM
The Reds need to be Tiger Woods with a pocketful of mulligans to get back into contention.

Wonder if you can buy them for $5.

Thankfully the Reds aren't playing for $5 Nassaus.

The Reds are better off playing in a scramble with the Indians, Tigers, and Braves.

Marc D
06-28-2007, 01:24 PM
That rather fortunate bounce last night kept the ball in play and they can still theoretically par this hole. Just gotta win the next 3 in a row.

This should be our pre shot routine...:pray:

Eric_Davis
07-01-2007, 04:56 PM
At least they haven't pulled a Wie yet, and started crying and walking off the course.

Always Red
07-01-2007, 05:41 PM
Hey, we're at the turn now, I vote to change the rules and play a scramble from here on in; anyone interested? :laugh:


oops, looks like Heath already thought of that one (sorry about that, I need to read closer...)


The Reds are better off playing in a scramble with the Indians, Tigers, and Braves.

Marc D
07-07-2007, 11:06 AM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
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On vacation hadn't had a chance to update.

+14 at the turn :laugh::laugh:

Next hole
1 STL (L)
3 SF (2-1)
3 AZ (1 W)
2 @ NYM

They actually only need to win 2 of the next 4 to par for the first time since #1.

smith288
07-07-2007, 01:46 PM
http://198.30.80.66:81/temp/cin.png

NOTE: I calculate a moving par based on the division leader

Eric_Davis
07-07-2007, 09:54 PM
It's amazing what a new caddy can do for your game.

membengal
07-09-2007, 09:33 AM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
#8: (4-5) +1
#9: (3-6) +2
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On vacation hadn't had a chance to update.

+14 at the turn :laugh::laugh:

Next hole
1 STL (L)
3 SF (2-1)
3 AZ (1 W)
2 @ NYM

They actually only need to win 2 of the next 4 to par for the first time since #1.

On the green in 2, actually putting for an eagle? Mind you, a 75 foot eagle with three large breaks in it, given having to be in NY against the Mets, but still, putting for an eagle for first time this year...

Marc D
07-12-2007, 10:47 PM
On the green in 2, actually putting for an eagle? Mind you, a 75 foot eagle with three large breaks in it, given having to be in NY against the Mets, but still, putting for an eagle for first time this year...

Missed it and left a lot of work to do for our bird. Guaranteed a par with the Dback sweep.

Marc D
07-13-2007, 11:20 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/Birdie-tebbetts.jpg/300px-Birdie-tebbetts.jpg



Birdie !!!!


#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
#8: (4-5) +1
#9: (3-6) +2
#10: (6-3) -1
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Next hole:
@ NYM x 2
@ ATL x 3
@ FLA x 4

redsrule2500
07-14-2007, 02:04 AM
Awesome, best hole of the season! :)

Eric_Davis
07-14-2007, 05:19 PM
Could have been an Eagle but Narron chose the first club to hit with and it got shanked into a bunker.

Now that we've had our first non-bogie of the year, it's probable that we'll have another one real soon. Winning begets winning.

Big Klu
07-14-2007, 05:30 PM
Could have been an Eagle but Narron chose the first club to hit with and it got shanked into a bunker.

Now that we've had our first non-bogie of the year, it's probable that we'll have another one real soon. Winning begets winning.

It's actually our second non-bogey--we parred #1.

#11 looks like the toughest hole on the course, but like you said, winning begets winning. We are playing well right now, so there is a chance! :thumbup:

Marc D
07-15-2007, 05:29 PM
0-2 so far on this hole. Working hard on a ABFU.

Marc D
07-22-2007, 05:03 PM
ABFU accomplished

#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
#8: (4-5) +1
#9: (3-6) +2
#10: (6-3) -1
#11: (4-5) +1
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This should be a sobering reminder for anyone who might be thinking we are really not that bad. Even the worst golfer has a good hole now and again.

+14 after 11 holes :help:

Next hole:
Mil x 4
Chi x 3
@ Wash x 2

Highlifeman21
07-22-2007, 07:02 PM
ABFU accomplished

#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
#8: (4-5) +1
#9: (3-6) +2
#10: (6-3) -1
#11: (4-5) +1
#12:
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This should be a sobering reminder for anyone who might be thinking we are really not that bad. Even the worst golfer has a good hole now and again.

+14 after 11 holes :help:

Next hole:
Mil x 4
Chi x 3
@ Wash x 2

With that "birdie", now we're looking at a +23 for the round.

A +23. Good to see the Reds aren't even a bogey golf team.

They're worse.

Marc D
08-02-2007, 01:10 AM
#1: (5-4) par
#2: (4-5) +1
#3: (4-5) +1
#4: (2-7) +3
#5: (3-6) +2
#6: (3-6) +2
#7: (3-6) +2
#8: (4-5) +1
#9: (3-6) +2
#10: (6-3) -1
#11: (4-5) +1
#12: (4-5) +1
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#18:

+ 15 now, just call it a day and admit they are horrific.

Football season is upon us. I'm going to pull a Reds FO and just stand pat on this thread the rest of the year.