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Handofdeath
04-16-2007, 03:00 PM
Struggling Boston Red Sox center fielder Coco Crisp was not in the starting lineup for yesterday's game against the Los Angeles Angels, which was postponed because of rain.

Wily Mo Pena was set to take his place in center and in the No. 8 spot in the batting order. Pena also is scheduled to start against the Angels today, and tomorrow night against Toronto Blue Jays' left-hander Gustavo Chacin.

Source: Boston Herald

TRF
04-16-2007, 03:04 PM
Other than the ability to catch the ball, Coco Crisp has almost NO value.

And in CF, WMP is about an average defender.

Handofdeath
04-16-2007, 03:15 PM
Other than the ability to catch the ball, Coco Crisp has almost NO value.

And in CF, WMP is about an average defender.

Crisp has some speed but,for all his faults, WMP deserves a shot. You just have to be willing to live with the growing pains. He's in a better situation to do well batting 8th for the Red Sox than batting in the middle of the order for the Reds.

jimbo
04-16-2007, 03:21 PM
And in CF, WMP is about an average defender.

That's pretty debateable.

REDREAD
04-16-2007, 03:21 PM
I didn't realize Crisp had fallen so hard.. Looks like Cleveland picked the right time to unload him.

Degenerate39
04-16-2007, 03:27 PM
I'd like to get WMP back to Cincy

Handofdeath
04-16-2007, 03:43 PM
I'd like to get WMP back to Cincy

The Reds do not need another undisciplined hitter in the lineup.

Chip R
04-16-2007, 03:46 PM
He needs to go somewhere where he can play most of the time. Neither BOS or Cincy is that place.

kheidg-
04-16-2007, 03:51 PM
Looks like WMP had an assist in CF today. Not sure if this was someone trying to test WMP turning a single into a double or if he actually gunned someone down. Never-the-less I'd start WMP over Coco any day of the week.

BRM
04-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Pena went 0-3 with two strikeouts and a walk.

TRF
04-16-2007, 04:13 PM
That's pretty debateable.

not really. He seems to be able to handle CF ok, it's the balls that curve and slice in RF that give him problems.

Redsland
04-16-2007, 04:30 PM
He can cover a fair amount of ground before the ball clanks off his glove, I'll grant you that.

BRM
04-16-2007, 04:34 PM
He can cover a fair amount of ground before the ball clanks off his glove, I'll grant you that.

Is it worse to get there and drop it or not get there at all? The answer is likely "find a better option".

Benihana
04-16-2007, 04:37 PM
I actually think the WMP Arroyo trade was one of the best moves of the last couple years (by any team). Funny, too, because I wasn't thrilled at the time it was made.

Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 04:38 PM
Other than the ability to catch the ball, Coco Crisp has almost NO value.

And in CF, WMP is about an average defender.

"average" is pretty generous...

The_jbh
04-16-2007, 04:39 PM
Wow, how soon people forget what a MISERABLE defensive player Wily Mo was here in cincy

Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 04:42 PM
I actually think the WMP Arroyo trade was one of the best moves of the last couple years (by any team). Funny, too, because I wasn't thrilled at the time it was made.

And it makes perfect sense with the Krivsky pitching and defense plan.

jimbo
04-16-2007, 04:48 PM
not really. He seems to be able to handle CF ok, it's the balls that curve and slice in RF that give him problems.

Sorry, but I just have to disagree to the comment that he is an average CF. I consider Freel an average CF and I think he's heads above WMP.

TRF
04-16-2007, 06:27 PM
"average" is pretty generous...

sigh.

Try looking it up. His RF, FP and error totals when playing CF show him to be at least league average or better. But he's got the "rep" of an adventurous fielder in RF that it carries over.

I'm sure there are better fielding stats, but I'm not overly familiar with them. Anyone care to prove he's a bad CF using them?

Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 06:28 PM
My eyes have seen it

TRF
04-16-2007, 06:34 PM
My eyes have seen it

My eyes saw him make an absolute sick catch in CF that the GABP has yet to heal from. Plus I have numbers to back me up.

Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 06:36 PM
He made 1 great catch for how many foul ups?

TRF
04-16-2007, 06:43 PM
4 errors in 124 games played in CF. 6 Assists. His FP is right at league average, his RF in CF is 2.66, league average is 2.22 for his years of playing time.

Maybe he doesn't suck in CF.

Cedric
04-16-2007, 06:44 PM
Wily Mo was a fine CF. There are certain people that can't distinguish CF from RF. That's not our problem.

Ludwig Reds Fan
04-16-2007, 08:07 PM
He can cover a fair amount of ground before the ball clanks off his glove, I'll grant you that.


:D

blumj
04-17-2007, 06:29 PM
He's starting tonight again, this time in RF in Toronto against Gustavo Chacin.

Jr's Boy
04-17-2007, 06:42 PM
I'd like to get WMP back to Cincy


Well make the call.:D

TC81190
04-17-2007, 07:27 PM
Wow, how soon people forget what a MISERABLE defensive player Wily Mo was here in cincy

No, actually, I liked Wily Mo in center. A lot.


Wily Mo was a fine CF. There are certain people that can't distinguish CF from RF. That's not our problem.

Yeah, slices on the ball suck.

jimbo
04-17-2007, 08:01 PM
Yeah, slices on the ball suck.

Some are making it like CF is easier to play than the corner positions, which isn't accurate. Those slices appear in every OF position, just in varying degrees and directions. WMP is below average in the outfield no matter where he plays. If you'd take him on your team, all the power to you. I'm just glad he isn't manning the Reds outfield.

blumj
04-17-2007, 09:03 PM
Well, he seems to have made quite the dent in the roof of that restaurant at the Rogers Centre.

He had a good game, 2 hits, including the HR, no major miscues in RF, although he almost crushed Dustin Pedroia when he inexplicably insisted on catching a popup the little guy had been calling for. He looked like he rolled his ankle a bit, but he stayed in the game, so I guess it was nothing. And Pedroia managed to get out of the way at the last second. I would imagine it felt like a giant beast was bearing down on him from behind. It's stupid, but it's still a little funny to see those 2 standing next to each other.