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Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 04:01 PM
ESPN chat session with baseball writer Buster Olney


Jack (Cincinnati): What are your thoughts on Josh Hamilton's play thus far? Will he be Starting soon?

Buster Olney: Jack: He's going to play, if he hits. Had a scout tell me that right now, he believes Josh Hamilton is the best position player the Reds have -- and it's not even close, in his eyes.

OesterPoster
04-16-2007, 04:07 PM
...he believes Josh Hamilton is the best position player the Reds have -- and it's not even close, in his eyes.

Does this say more about Josh Hamilton or the Reds' current starting 8 position players?
;)

HumnHilghtFreel
04-16-2007, 04:10 PM
I'll take the redefined hitter of thus far in Adam Dunn over Josh Hamilton every time. For now. But it's great to continue hearing nothing but good things about Josh.

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Does this say more about Josh Hamilton or the Reds' current starting 8 position players?
;)

Hamilton probably is the best complete position player right now. Offensively, Dunn is still ahead of everyone else, but it's no secret he's not the best defender. Hamilton trumps him defensively, and that margin probably makes up for the offensive margin behind Dunn.

Unfortunately, we will never see the 8 best Reds out on the field at any point in time.

FutureRedsGM
04-16-2007, 04:17 PM
Unfortunately, we will never see the 8 best Reds out on the field at any point in time.

Would that be:

1. Freel - LF
2. Dunn - 1B
3. EE - 3B
4. Jr - RF
5. Hamilton - CF
6. BPhil - 2B
7. AGon - SS
8. Who cares of the available 3 - C

lollipopcurve
04-16-2007, 04:18 PM
Big Hamilton booster, but there is no way he's the Reds best position player right now. He may become that in the next year or two, but I think he's got a lot of learning on the job to do. Don't expect too much out of him too soon. He'll flash, but he will struggle along the way, too.

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 04:21 PM
Would that be:

1. Freel - LF
2. Dunn - 1B
3. EE - 3B
4. Jr - RF
5. Hamilton - CF
6. BPhil - 2B
7. AGon - SS
8. Who cares of the available 3 - C

Of those healthy, yes.

If everyone in the organization was healthy, it would look something like...

Griffey - LF
Denorfia - CF
Hamilton - RF
Encarnacion - 3B
Gonzalez - SS
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - 1B
Catcher du Jour - C

Maybe as early as 2008, it could look something like this...

Bruce - LF
Denorfia - CF
Hamilton - RF
Encarnacion - 3B
Gonzalez - SS
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - 1B
Catcher du Jour - C

EddieMilner
04-16-2007, 04:25 PM
Maybe as early as 2008, it could look something like this...

Bruce - LF
Denorfia - CF
Hamilton - RF
Encarnacion - 3B
Gonzalez - SS
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - 1B
Catcher du Jour - C

Isn't Bruce in Sarasota right now? Thats a pretty healthy jump from one spring to the next.

Matt700wlw
04-16-2007, 04:30 PM
Dunn is not going to play first.

BRM
04-16-2007, 04:32 PM
Dunn is not going to play first.

Not for the Reds at least. ;)

Tom Servo
04-16-2007, 04:37 PM
Maybe as early as 2008, it could look something like this...

Bruce - LF
Denorfia - CF
Hamilton - RF
Encarnacion - 3B
Gonzalez - SS
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - 1B
Catcher du Jour - C
Not a Joey Votto fan?

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 04:42 PM
Not a Joey Votto fan?

If we could ever convince Adam Dunn that he will prolong his career by playing 1B, then Joey Votto has no spot on this team.

I think Votto is a nice player, but I think any one of Denorfia/Hamilton/Bruce are better OF options than Votto is a 1B option.

If we can't convince Dunn to play 1B, then Votto's clearly our best 1B option and we'll be wasting probably Denorfia's time as a 4th OF, and he should be traded for pitching. I think long term, if Dunn won't play 1B, then we have an OF of Dunn/Bruce/Hamilton, leaving Denorfia as the 4th man. Denorfia's not a 4th OF, he should be a starter.

In a roundabout way, this is a good problem to have.

redssouth
04-16-2007, 04:47 PM
Denorfia - CF????? Really, you could pick from everyone in the org. and you picked him to play CF? Not calling you crazy or anything, I just found that to be an interesting choice. I would probably slide Hamilton into CF, and put Griffey in right. What would Denorfia max out OPS'ing??? .700, .800 I dont really know. Good list though.

Benihana
04-16-2007, 04:51 PM
If I had my drothers, Opening Day 2009 (when Bruce arrives) would look like this:

2B Phillips
CF Hamilton
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
1B Votto
RF Bruce
SS Gonzalez
C du Jour

with Freel and Denorfia coming off the bench. In other words, I think Hamilton is the CF of the future.

RedEye
04-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Does this say more about Josh Hamilton or the Reds' current starting 8 position players?
;)

I think it says something about both. For Josh to already be clearly better than Dunn, EE, Phillips and Griffey is really saying something. They aren't the best, but they aren't complete slouches either.

PuffyPig
04-16-2007, 05:21 PM
If I had my drothers, Opening Day 2009 (when Bruce arrives) would look like this:

2B Phillips
CF Hamilton
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
1B Votto
RF Bruce
SS Gonzalez
C du Jour

with Freel and Denorfia coming off the bench. In other words, I think Hamilton is the CF of the future.


:thumbup:

Reds1
04-16-2007, 05:25 PM
8. Who cares of the available 3 - C

How quickly we forgot how great Ross was. I still have hope he can get at least close to what he was doing for a stretch. I just don't buy he's worse than LaRue

RANDY IN INDY
04-16-2007, 05:53 PM
Highlifeman21,

You are one serious Chris Denorfia fan.

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 06:05 PM
Denorfia - CF????? Really, you could pick from everyone in the org. and you picked him to play CF? Not calling you crazy or anything, I just found that to be an interesting choice. I would probably slide Hamilton into CF, and put Griffey in right. What would Denorfia max out OPS'ing??? .700, .800 I dont really know. Good list though.

Hamilton has the best arm on the team, and I'd put him in RF. Denorfia has the best range on the team, and I'd put him in CF.

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 06:06 PM
Highlifeman21,

You are one serious Chris Denorfia fan.

He was highly regarded in the International League, and was our Minor Leaguer of the year. There's no reason not to like him.

I just wish the Reds wouldn't give up on him after the injury.

LawFive
04-16-2007, 06:20 PM
who's this duJour guy? I missed the Reds picking him up.

;)

jimbo
04-16-2007, 06:23 PM
He was highly regarded in the International League, and was our Minor Leaguer of the year. There's no reason not to like him.


Brandon Larson says hi.

Success in the minors does not always equate to success in the majors.

RFS62
04-16-2007, 06:28 PM
I love Hamilton's story. Love his skill set.

But let's let him make it around the league a couple of times as pitchers search for holes in his swing and see how he makes adjustments before we annoint him as the next Mantle.

Highlifeman21
04-16-2007, 06:42 PM
Brandon Larson says hi.

Success in the minors does not always equate to success in the majors.

I agree completely, but I'd love for the Reds to give Denorfia the shot they gave Larson.

If Denorfia gets 300+ PA next year and goes Larson-esque, then by all means, he's a career minor leaguer perhaps, aka Norris Hopper.

hebroncougar
04-16-2007, 09:32 PM
Brandon Larson says hi.

Success in the minors does not always equate to success in the majors.

So does every AAA player that has raked, then followed it up with success in the major leagues. Larson never came close to the limited success (.283 avg, .356 obp) that Denorfia had in 100 ab's last year. He's also very, very good defensively.