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LoganBuck
04-17-2007, 02:02 PM
We are less two weeks until the completion of the draft, who do you like for your favorite teams, what kind of buzz are you hearing, who do you like?

As a Bengals fan I have no idea what they should take, I don't like the corners that much, I like Patrick Willis alot though. I think he steps in and starts from day one.

I see the top 3 going.
1. Oakland- Jamarcus Russell
2. Detroit- Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland- Brady Quinn

DTCromer
04-17-2007, 02:17 PM
1. OAK - Calvin Johnson
2. DET - Jamarcus Russell
3. Cle - Brady Quinn

camisadelgolf
04-17-2007, 02:58 PM
When it's time for the Bengals to pick, I think there will be seven defensive players gone. If Willis is available when the Bengals pick, it's a no-brainer, but that won't happen. In that case, I hope they go with who's available out of these four in this order:

DT Justin Harrell (I think he would be incredible with the Bengals current defensive scheme.)
S Reggie Nelson (Obviously, the Bengals need help in the secondary.)
CB Leon Hall (See above.)
DE Jamaal Anderson (He would basically be Justin Smith's replacement, and I think he would be just as good after one year.)

HumnHilghtFreel
04-17-2007, 03:31 PM
I don't really get big into following the draft. I watch when it's on, because it's interesting to me to see all the activity. As a Cowboys fan though, I'd like to see them take Troy Smith in or around the 3rd round or later.

Benihana
04-17-2007, 03:33 PM
When it's time for the Bengals to pick, I think there will be seven defensive players gone. If Willis is available when the Bengals pick, it's a no-brainer, but that won't happen. In that case, I hope they go with who's available out of these four in this order:

DT Justin Harrell (I think he would be incredible with the Bengals current defensive scheme.)
S Reggie Nelson (Obviously, the Bengals need help in the secondary.)
CB Leon Hall (See above.)
DE Jamaal Anderson (He would basically be Justin Smith's replacement, and I think he would be just as good after one year.)


what about darelle revis? If I had to rank potential Bengals picks, I'd rank 'em like this.

1) A.Okoye DT
2) P.Willis ILB
3) L.Landry S
4) A.Branch DT
5) L.Hall CB
6) D.Revis CB

Unfortunately, the first three will all most likely be gone in the top 10. Thus, if we could land either of the Wolverines or Revis, I'd be happy. If not, I'd settle for Jamaal Anderson, Justin Harrell, Reggie Nelson or Adam Carriker. anyone else and I'd be disappointed.

WVRed
04-17-2007, 04:04 PM
what about darelle revis? If I had to rank potential Bengals picks, I'd rank 'em like this.

1) A.Okoye DT
2) P.Willis ILB
3) L.Landry S
4) A.Branch DT
5) L.Hall CB
6) D.Revis CB

Unfortunately, the first three will all most likely be gone in the top 10. Thus, if we could land either of the Wolverines or Revis, I'd be happy. If not, I'd settle for Jamaal Anderson, Justin Harrell, Reggie Nelson or Adam Carriker. anyone else and I'd be disappointed.

I would love to see the Bengals move up to take Okoye. I think this kid is going to be special.

I may do a mock closer to draft time. Right now, school is calling me.:)

joshnky
04-17-2007, 04:22 PM
I would love to see the Bengals move up to take Okoye. I think this kid is going to be special.

I may do a mock closer to draft time. Right now, school is calling me.:)

I agree on Okoye. Unfortunately DTs usually go early and I'd hate to see the Bengals trade up when they are already lacking a 3rd rounder. I would love to see them draft a DT (Okoye or Branch) or CB if the top two DTs are gone. Either Hall or Revis will likely still be available and would be well suited to supplant Deltha either this year or next. They haven't had much luck drafting backers lately and I think I've become risk adverse toward that position. Granted Pollack and Thurman had issues unrelated to their abilities but they're the reason the Bengals find themselves in need of that position.

Javy Pornstache
04-17-2007, 05:47 PM
I have had my eye on DE Jamaal Anderson the whole time for the Bengals, but the tagging of Justin Smith along with his surge up the charts seemed to negate any talk of it. Now it seems Anderson's sliding down a lil bit again, and the Bengals are thinking of trading Smith for picks if they can get them, so it's an option.

Agreed with WVRed on Okoye, unreal talent for his age... even though he's a UL Cardinal. ;)

I like Revis a lot too and that seems to be the most popular pick for the Bengals in the mocks I've seen. Good cover corner, and not to be ignored, a potentially electric special teams player as well, which the Bengals could certainly use.

Sabo Fan
04-17-2007, 09:53 PM
We are less two weeks until the completion of the draft, who do you like for your favorite teams, what kind of buzz are you hearing, who do you like?

As a Bengals fan I have no idea what they should take, I don't like the corners that much, I like Patrick Willis alot though. I think he steps in and starts from day one.

I see the top 3 going.
1. Oakland- Jamarcus Russell
2. Detroit- Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland- Brady Quinn

I'm a Viking fan and I would not be dissapointed at all to deal the entire draft for a chance to move up to #1 and take Calvin Johnson. I know it sounds nuts and it didn't work out to well when Ditka did it for Ricky Williams, but Johnson is, to me, hands down the best player in this draft by a mile and a half. No one else is even on the same planet as this guy and even though it has been proven that you can win without big names at the receiver position, you simply don't pass on a talent like Johnson.

edabbs44
04-17-2007, 10:25 PM
I make a big thing out of the draft every year. Wings, pizza, the whole nine yards. me and a few of my friends.

One of those friends is getting married on that day. It gets worse...the Big Red Machine is signing autographs in NJ on the 28th. What are the friggin' odds?

I bet my team, the Falcons, take this LSU guy Landry. I wouldn't mind them getting Peterson if he falls that far. But please no WRs. I cannot deal with another 1st rounder being a "bust" because he can't catch with his feet.

camisadelgolf
04-18-2007, 03:39 AM
I like Revis, but I'm thinking he'll be gone by #18. If not, then he's the guy I want--it just makes too much sense.

LoganBuck
04-18-2007, 07:52 AM
What about taking Ted Ginn for the Bengals. There seems to be a little more smoke oozing out about this. Lance talked about it most of the show yesterday, and there was an article in the Dayton Daily(according to Lance) about this yesterday. Using Ted as a return man, 3rd or 4th reciever, or cornerback? Don't forget that he was the National Defensive Player of the Year coming out of high school as a corner.

edabbs44
04-18-2007, 08:48 AM
What about taking Ted Ginn for the Bengals. There seems to be a little more smoke oozing out about this. Lance talked about it most of the show yesterday, and there was an article in the Dayton Daily(according to Lance) about this yesterday. Using Ted as a return man, 3rd or 4th reciever, or cornerback? Don't forget that he was the National Defensive Player of the Year coming out of high school as a corner.

I heard Marvin is doing a background check on Ginn. If it comes up clean they'll take him off the board. ;)

rotnoid
04-18-2007, 09:18 AM
I don't really get big into following the draft. I watch when it's on, because it's interesting to me to see all the activity. As a Cowboys fan though, I'd like to see them take Troy Smith in or around the 3rd round or later.

I was thinking the same, as another Cowboys fan. Some one will bite on Smith before then though. I'm not saying it's right, just that it will happen.

Heath
04-18-2007, 09:53 AM
As a Browns fan I would like Adrian Peterson and 6 offensive linemen. Or, trade the pick down.

I think Brady Quinn has Joey Harrington written all over him. I want no part of that guy.

However, if Troy Smith is sitting there in the 4th round and there is NO Brady Quinn drafted, bring'em home.

LoganBuck
04-22-2007, 02:27 PM
Over the last 5 years or so I have learned that Dave Lapham should be listened to heading up to the draft. He doesn't say that the Bengals are going to draft so and so. What he does do is bring up names that end either getting picked by Cincy or are actually their most desired player. This morning he was on Sunday Morning Sportstalk, on WLW. He talked about Landry the SS from LSU, being a good first pick that the Bengals would love to have but probably won't get, and that Zach Miller the TE from Arizona State would be a good second round pick. The other thing though was that he talked about Ted Ginn Jr alot as a reciever to stretch the field while Henry is on suspension, and how good of a kick returner he is. I worry that they would actually take Ginn as a wide reciever.

Cedric
04-22-2007, 03:05 PM
Over the last 5 years or so I have learned that Dave Lapham should be listened to heading up to the draft. He doesn't say that the Bengals are going to draft so and so. What he does do is bring up names that end either getting picked by Cincy or are actually their most desired player. This morning he was on Sunday Morning Sportstalk, on WLW. He talked about Landry the SS from LSU, being a good first pick that the Bengals would love to have but probably won't get, and that Zach Miller the TE from Arizona State would be a good second round pick. The other thing though was that he talked about Ted Ginn Jr alot as a reciever to stretch the field while Henry is on suspension, and how good of a kick returner he is. I worry that they would actually take Ginn as a wide reciever.

The Bengals should take Ginn if he's there. They badly need a special teams playmaker and he's going to be a damn good WR. He's got great hands and he's still got a ton of room to grow. I'd say with only 3 years experience at the FL position he has shown he will be a damn good one at the next level.

George Anderson
04-22-2007, 03:16 PM
I guess us poor Colts fans wont be able to pick till very last this year, just a damn shame.:D

Caveat Emperor
04-22-2007, 05:37 PM
I "eagerly" await my Tampa Bay Buccaneers drafting Calvin Johnson so that Jeff Garcia can have a great WR to underthrow this season.

Ben
04-22-2007, 06:06 PM
My Bengals Mock Draft as I would like to see things fall

1st-Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State University 6'3'' 232 lbs.

2nd-Usama Young CB Kent State University 5'11 192 lbs.

4th-Keith Jackson (whoa..nellie) DT Arkansas 6' 303 lbs

5th-Zach Catanese S Arizona State 6'2 220 lbs

6th-Michael Allen TE Whitworth 6'6 252 lbs.

7th(a)-George Batiste OG Southern Miss 6'5 311 lbs

7th(b)-Ryan Moore WR Miami 6'3'' 231

I will post my thoughts later on tonight (stupid Sociology homework)

WVRed
04-22-2007, 08:27 PM
Here is my mock for the first round of the NFL Draft. Enjoy:)

1.Oakland-JaMarcus Russell(QB-LSU)
2.Tampa Bay(from Detroit)-Calvin Johnson(WR-Georgia Tech)
3.Cleveland-Brady Quinn(QB-Notre Dame)
4.Detroit(from TB)-Joe Thomas(OT-Wisconsin)
5.Arizona-Gaines Adams(DE-Clemson)
6.Washington-Amobi Okoye(DT-Louisville)
7.Minnesota-Adrian Peterson(RB-Oklahoma)
8.Atlanta-LaRon Landry(S-LSU)
9.Miami-Leon Hall(CB-Michigan)
10.Houston-Levi Brown(OT-Penn St)
11.San Francisco-Adam Carriker(DE-Penn St)
12.Buffalo-Marshawn Lynch(RB-Cal)
13.St Louis-Jamaal Anderson(DE-Arkansas)
14.Carolina-Greg Olsen(TE-Miami)
15.Pittsburgh-Darelle Revis(CB-Pitt)
16.Green Bay-Reggie Nelson(S-Florida)
17.Jacksonville-Jarvis Moss(DE-Florida)
18.Cincinnati-Alan Branch(DT-Michigan)
19.Tennessee-Ted Ginn(WR-Ohio St)
20.NY Giants-Patrick Willis(LB-Ole Miss)
21.Denver-Robert Meachem(WR-Tennessee)
22.Dallas-Joe Staley(OT-CMU)
23.Kansas City-Dwayne Bowe(WR-LSU)
24.New England-Paul Posluzny(LB-Penn St)
25.NY Jets-Chris Houston(CB-Arkansas)
26.Philadelphia-Dwayne Jarrett(WR-USC)
27.New Orleans-Jon Beason(LB-Miami)
28.New England-Michael Griffin(S-Texas)
29.Baltimore-Lawrence Timmons(LB-Florida St)
30.San Diego-Sidney Rice(WR-South Carolina)
31.Chicago-Justin Blalock(G-Texas)
32.Indianapolis-Justin Harrell(DT-Tennessee)

*Tampa trades no 4 overall pick and a third rounder for the no 2 overall pick.

Fil3232
04-22-2007, 10:19 PM
As a Bengals fan, my dream scenerio would be Patrick Willis, but I don't see him getting past Buffalo. That said, outside of a trade down (unlikely) I would target Reggie Nelson with pick #18. I think he is the type of ball hawking FS that has the potential to turn into a special player.

LoganBuck
04-22-2007, 11:38 PM
As a Bengals fan, my dream scenerio would be Patrick Willis, but I don't see him getting past Buffalo. That said, outside of a trade down (unlikely) I would target Reggie Nelson with pick #18. I think he is the type of ball hawking FS that has the potential to turn into a special player.

The knock on Nelson is his size, the Bengals scheme doesn't call for a Free or Strong Safety. They require both players to be adequate in both run support and pass coverage. That is why the safety position has been a train wreck for several years. Lack of depth, Kevin Kaesverharn couldn't tackle anyone, when he was called on, decent cover guy, zero contribution in run support.

I liked Keith Jackson during the season, what is his wrap?

WVRed
04-23-2007, 03:32 PM
As a Bengals fan, my dream scenerio would be Patrick Willis, but I don't see him getting past Buffalo. That said, outside of a trade down (unlikely) I would target Reggie Nelson with pick #18. I think he is the type of ball hawking FS that has the potential to turn into a special player.

I think this is a draft where you really can't go wrong if you take Willis, Branch, or one of the three corners.

I have the Bills taking Marshawn Lynch given the McGahee trade, but they could opt for Willis.

Benihana
04-23-2007, 03:39 PM
Word on the street is Branch has stress fractures in both of his legs. If true, he may fall out of the first round. I like the Bengals to take the best DB available between Leon Hall, Darelle Revis, and Reggie Nelson in the 1st round.

In the 2nd round, I really want David Harris, the MLB from Michigan, but I'd take Justin Harrell (DT-Tennessee) as a consolation.

Taking Ginn in the 1st round would be the Jim Bowden move- adding more extraneous offense while ignoring defense (pitching). In other words, I wouldn't like it.

Red Leader
04-23-2007, 03:43 PM
Word on the street is Branch has stress fractures in both of his legs. If true, he may fall out of the first round. I like the Bengals to take the best DB available between Leon Hall, Darelle Revis, and Reggie Nelson in the 1st round.

In the 2nd round, I really want David Harris, the MLB from Michigan, but I'd take Justin Harrell (DT-Tennessee) as a consolation.

Taking Ginn in the 1st round would be the Jim Bowden move- adding more extraneous offense while ignoring defense (pitching). In other words, I wouldn't like it.

Completely agree on all counts. If the Bengals draft Ginn in the first round and ignore the defensive side of the ball, they're clueless.

Fil3232
04-23-2007, 06:17 PM
Completely agree on all counts. If the Bengals draft Ginn in the first round and ignore the defensive side of the ball, they're clueless.

I think the real interesting thing to watch will be how many defensive players are gone before #18. If there is a large run on defensive players, I'm not sure Marvin and the Bengals won't take the top rated player on their board, offense or defense. If they feel drafting a guy like Branch at #18 is a reach based on their percieved value of him, I could see them taking a Jarrett, Ginn, OL, or TE.

Just think, the offense is one injury away from having Chatman or Tab Perry as a #2 receiver for at least half of next year.

Cedric
04-23-2007, 06:20 PM
Word on the street is Branch has stress fractures in both of his legs. If true, he may fall out of the first round. I like the Bengals to take the best DB available between Leon Hall, Darelle Revis, and Reggie Nelson in the 1st round.

In the 2nd round, I really want David Harris, the MLB from Michigan, but I'd take Justin Harrell (DT-Tennessee) as a consolation.

Taking Ginn in the 1st round would be the Jim Bowden move- adding more extraneous offense while ignoring defense (pitching). In other words, I wouldn't like it.

Maybe the Bengals can take Steve Breaston in the fourth round or something.

You don't pass up on elite level playmakers because you want a Leon Hall type CB. The few times he got tested by elite talent he got DOMINATED. He's not got great top speed and he doesn't have great hips.
At the Bengals slot I'm hoping for Nelson, Harrell, Ginn, or Moss.

Benihana
04-23-2007, 06:56 PM
Maybe the Bengals can take Steve Breaston in the fourth round or something.

You don't pass up on elite level playmakers because you want a Leon Hall type CB. The few times he got tested by elite talent he got DOMINATED. He's not got great top speed and he doesn't have great hips.
At the Bengals slot I'm hoping for Nelson, Harrell, Ginn, or Moss.


I agree re: Leon Hall's shortcomings, but I don't think it will matter because i think he will be gone by 18. I really want Revis or Nelson. When it comes to the Bengals, I actually don't have a Michigan bias (I was disgusted when we took Chris Perry over Stephen Jackson in '04), I just think Harris will not only be the best pro of this year's Wolvernes, but he's the best fit for the Bengals as well. I think Harrell and Moss would both be reaches at 18- I'd rather hope for one of them to fall to us in the second round. Like I said before, Ginn is a Bowden pick.

WVRed
04-23-2007, 09:22 PM
The Bengals should take Ginn if he's there. They badly need a special teams playmaker and he's going to be a damn good WR. He's got great hands and he's still got a ton of room to grow. I'd say with only 3 years experience at the FL position he has shown he will be a damn good one at the next level.

I was lobbying for the Bengals to pass on Chris Gamble when they took Chris Perry, so that shows how much I know.

However, the last thing the Bengals need right now on day one is offense, especially at wideout. If the Bengals draft Ginn, then once Henry gets back, Ginn becomes the fourth wideout. Not to mention the first round is WAY too high to draft a special teams player.

Anything that isnt a linebacker, defensive back, or defensive lineman will be a sure disappointment.

Cedric
04-23-2007, 09:33 PM
I was lobbying for the Bengals to pass on Chris Gamble when they took Chris Perry, so that shows how much I know.

However, the last thing the Bengals need right now on day one is offense, especially at wideout. If the Bengals draft Ginn, then once Henry gets back, Ginn becomes the fourth wideout. Not to mention the first round is WAY too high to draft a special teams player.

Anything that isnt a linebacker, defensive back, or defensive lineman will be a sure disappointment.

He's a playmaker and a good WR. I'm not shocked that people are suddenly saying he can't play WR, that's what happens when you excel in other areas.

Never draft need. Drafting need get's you a zone corner like Leon Hall in the first round. The Bengals have a gigantic gaping hole with their interior Dline and somehow generating a pass rush. Until they fix that they could have Deion Sanders in his prime and it wouldn't matter.

WVRed
04-23-2007, 09:39 PM
He's a playmaker and a good WR. I'm not shocked that people are suddenly saying he can't play WR, that's what happens when you excel in other areas.

Never draft need. Drafting need get's you a zone corner like Leon Hall in the first round.

At the same time, best player available doesn't work either. Just because you have Carson Palmer doesn't mean you should draft Brady Quinn if he falls that far(and he won't, so its a moot issue;)).

You draft at the best available player to fill a need. We already have three top wideouts, why draft another that will only serve as a Dante Hall clone on this team?(even though he is four inches shorter and was taken in the fifth round).

As far as Leon Hall, this is where I trust Marvin. If he thinks that Leon Hall or Alan Branch(who has been reported to be unmotivated) are worth taking and that he can get the best out of their abilities, I have full confidence in Marvin Lewis to do it.

TeamSelig
04-23-2007, 09:48 PM
As long as we avoid the guy who drops 2-3 rounds because of an attitude or criminal problem even though he is the best player available.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2007, 10:05 PM
He's a playmaker and a good WR. I'm not shocked that people are suddenly saying he can't play WR, that's what happens when you excel in other areas.

He's got gamebreaker speed, but he's not what I'd consider to be a great route-runner, his hands are merey adequate and I think there are rightly concerns out there about whether or not he'll be an injury risk at the next level due to his slight frame. No doubt he has size comparables that have made it big in the NFL (Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison come immediately to mind), but its not the "safe" pick that a bigger wideout generally is.

Personally, I wouldn't select Ted Ginn Jr. any higher than 20th overall, but that is just me. I'm not a fan of Ginn the wideout, but I love Ginn the special teamer and return specialist. I figure if you draft him there and he contributes all year on special teams, any production he gives you as a WR is absolute gravy.

LoganBuck
04-24-2007, 07:40 AM
Lapham was on WLW again last night, and he defintately backed away from the Ginn talk. Now he thinks Corner, Safety, Linebacker. He likes Revis the best of the corners. He thinks Willis and Landry are off the board.

Benihana
04-24-2007, 09:49 AM
Lapham was on WLW again last night, and he defintately backed away from the Ginn talk. Now he thinks Corner, Safety, Linebacker. He likes Revis the best of the corners. He thinks Willis and Landry are off the board.

By off the board you mean other teams will have drafted them by 18, not the Bengals have taken them off their board, correct?

Again, if we can land Revis, Willis, Landry or Nelson I will be very happy.

Puffy
04-24-2007, 10:40 AM
He's got gamebreaker speed, but he's not what I'd consider to be a great route-runner, his hands are merey adequate and I think there are rightly concerns out there about whether or not he'll be an injury risk at the next level due to his slight frame. No doubt he has size comparables that have made it big in the NFL (Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison come immediately to mind), but its not the "safe" pick that a bigger wideout generally is.

Personally, I wouldn't select Ted Ginn Jr. any higher than 20th overall, but that is just me. I'm not a fan of Ginn the wideout, but I love Ginn the special teamer and return specialist. I figure if you draft him there and he contributes all year on special teams, any production he gives you as a WR is absolute gravy.

Agree completely. I am not convinced Ginn will ever be more than a third wideout on a team and if his draft status was based solely on him as a WR then he is a third round talent.

Its his special teams that is so valuable. And his speed. I wouldn't be too upset if the Giants picked him at 20 because I think he can come right in and change field position, but I would still be looking at Amani Toomer's replacement at the #2 wide receiver position in next years draft even with drafting Ginn number 1 in 2007.

HotCorner
04-24-2007, 10:48 AM
On Thursday, head coach Marvin Lewis insisted the Bengals aren’t picking for need.

“I don’t see where we draft a guy and he comes in and starts. I don’t see that,” Lewis says. “I would hope you wouldn’t want it that way. Otherwise you’d be picking a lesser player.”

Lewis refutes observations that the Bengals are thin at cornerback with the departure of Tory James and injury struggles of Deltha O’Neal, saying, “We might go in a little better than we went in last year.

“We return the two starters from (the end of) last year. Deltha O’Neal and Johnathan Joseph. Keiwan Ratliff, who was our third or fourth corner depending on how it worked. And we get Greg Brooks back healthy."


This comes directly from Marvin Lewis' mouth. Since he has been the coach, their draft philosophy has been BPA (Best Player Available).

With that said I would not be shocked if they took Ginn at 18 for several reasons like his game-changing ability on special teams, his ability to vertically stretch the field on offense and the uncertaintity of Chris Henry. It's no slam dunk that he will return after his suspension. He is one more mistake away from being either suspended longer or even booted from the league.

I'm not advocating the Bengals draft Ginn but I would rather them draft Ginn than reach for a player on defense for the sake of taking a defensive player.

cincy jacket
04-24-2007, 01:28 PM
I'm not advocating the Bengals draft Ginn but I would rather them draft Ginn than reach for a player on defense for the sake of taking a defensive player.


Exactlly right. While Ginn might not the dream choice, I would love to see Willis, Landry, Anderson, or Revis slip to them, he would be much better choice than reaching for a lesser talented defensive player.

Ginn would also fit perfectly for what Cincy needs. We all know both return games were in shambles for the majority of last year and he would immediately step in and fix that. I also don't think his route running would be as big a problem in our offense. They would just stick him out wide most the time and say son run as fast as you can to the goal and let #9's cannon of a right arm try and out throw you. No corner in this league can stay with him one on one in a striaghtline foot face, so he will always demand safety help over the top. That will help free up TJ and Chad , who are great route runners, across the middle.

Red Leader
04-24-2007, 01:37 PM
I agree re: Leon Hall's shortcomings, but I don't think it will matter because i think he will be gone by 18. I really want Revis or Nelson. When it comes to the Bengals, I actually don't have a Michigan bias (I was disgusted when we took Chris Perry over Stephen Jackson in '04), I just think Harris will not only be the best pro of this year's Wolvernes, but he's the best fit for the Bengals as well. I think Harrell and Moss would both be reaches at 18- I'd rather hope for one of them to fall to us in the second round. Like I said before, Ginn is a Bowden pick.

I think everyone on this board knows I'm a Michigan fan by now. Having said that, I agree with Puffy on Ginn. His WR talent makes him a 3rd round player. He doesn't have the best hands and he doesn't run the most crisp routes. He is lightning, though and that raises him to a 1st rounder because of his special team ability. Ginn is a difference maker on special teams. I'm not convinced he's a difference maker at WR. As far as WR's go I have Calvin Johnson at #1 and Dwayne Bowe at #2. Meachem is my #3 and I have Jarret and Ginn as a close 4 and 5.

On Michigan's players, I agree that Leon Hall has some shortcomings and I can't say I'd be thrilled if the Bengals drafted him (depends on who's available at that point, though). I think Branch will be gone by the time the Bengals draft and I think he'll be a decent pro. I don't think he'll be defensive player of the year or anything, but he'll be pretty decent. David Harris is my favorite player, though. He was underrated last year by the media and the Big Ten and is underrated going into the draft. The kid flat out can play the game. He sniffs out screens better than any LB I've seen in recent years and he is a sure tackler. I hope he's there when the Bengals draft in the 2nd.

rdiersin
04-24-2007, 01:56 PM
I'd like to see the Bengals trade down, if they don't get someone to fit their needs. Personally I would love for them to trade down and take Anthony Spencer. I am not sure if he fits the Bengals defense, as it is now, though. Yes, I am biased, being a Purdue fan, but I have a feeling that he will drop enough and the Patriots will take him and he will turn into a very good player.

bucksfan2
04-24-2007, 02:08 PM
I would be all for drafting Ginn if the bengals were sound of defense. Ginn does have his limitations at WR but remember he has only played the position for 3 years. He would be a defniate game changer on the special teams side of the ball. I remember watching the Seahawks and Bears playoff game and Seattle kicked the ball short and away from Hester the entire game. They basically gave the Bears an extra 20+ yards of field position a game in doing so. It was amazing how much of an impact Hester had in the game without even touching the ball.

I would like to see the bengals take Revis or Nelson if they are there. The only thing that bothers me about Nelson is I think he is about is dumb as they come and one of his weaknesses was ability to learn an NFL playbook. Top that off with the fact that he only played one season of D1 football. If Nelson and Revis are off the board I would like to see the bengals attempt to trade down and take Griffen or Ross from Texas. In the first 2 rounds I think the bengals look LB, DB, S and dont attempt to take anything else until their 4th pick.

CTA513
04-24-2007, 02:28 PM
My guess is that the Bengals won't draft Ginn Jr, but will draft someone like: Revis, Nelson, Hall, Beason or Timmons in the 1st round.

I also wouldn't mind other guys like Landry or Okoye, but I don't think the Bengals will have a chance to get either unless they trade up.

Red Leader
04-24-2007, 02:28 PM
FYI, the Bengals do not have a 3rd round draft pick this year. They gave that pick up to draft Ahmad Brooks in the supplemental draft last year.

LoganBuck
04-24-2007, 02:32 PM
By off the board you mean other teams will have drafted them by 18, not the Bengals have taken them off their board, correct?

Again, if we can land Revis, Willis, Landry or Nelson I will be very happy.

Yes already drafted

Caseyfan21
04-24-2007, 06:01 PM
I'm a huge OSU fan as most know. I was at Ginn's first game at OSU and just about every other home game. I personally think he's one of the most overrated players in the draft. He has great speed and good moves but he really hasn't shown me much else. He only has average hands (which have improved tremendously since his frosh year though) and his route running is ok (again, has shown improvement). Going with that I would say he's an end of the first day pick. But because he has shown an ability to make big plays and has some flash he's suddenly a first round pick after what Devon Hester did this year. I personally would take Anthony Gonzalez before Ginn because he's hard nosed and has good hands and is a good wide receiver. I just think Ginn is too fragile and will try too hard to make big plays and lose yards. In college, he could get away with reversing field and running all around. In the pro's, that won't fly. And sometimes his ability to field punts has been average as I have seen him drop quite a few the last several years.

Just my $.02, but I can't see Ginn being a first round talent. I think he could add something to the return game but I just absolutely cannot see him as a #1 receiver in the NFL. Shouldn't a first round pick be the type of guy you build an offense around? I think so and I can only see Ginn being the type of player you build a special teams unit around.

Cedric
04-24-2007, 06:11 PM
Jim Tressel has repeatedly stated that Ted Ginn Jr has the best hands of any WR he has ever had.

Where is this no hands thing coming from? Watch the 06 Michigan game and you won't question his hands.

And his route running is an obvious problem. Remember he's played the FL position for exactly 3 years.

He fumbled a couple punts and I guess that is allowing for this weird hands thing. I'll take Jim Tressel and his opinion over anyone else.

"Here is guy who came to us as a return specialist and defensive back and has developed into a very good receiver," Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel said. "He has always had great hands and he has become a very good route runner. With his speed, he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball." Jim Tressel.

This is just another case of misinformation becoming fact somewhere. Ginn has always had great hands.

Fil3232
04-24-2007, 06:20 PM
Listening to Jim Jones on Lance's show today, he said that David Harris is almost sure to be gone by the time the Bengals draft in the 2nd round at #49. He said he sees him going in the 25-40 slot.

TeamSelig
04-25-2007, 12:12 AM
I'd rather stay away from Ginn Jr. Only good things I hear from him are OSU fans so I dunno if I can trust a fair judgment. Seems like he has a Randel El/Hester potential. Not really something I want in the first round.

WVRed
04-25-2007, 06:15 AM
I'd rather stay away from Ginn Jr. Only good things I hear from him are OSU fans so I dunno if I can trust a fair judgment. Seems like he has a Randel El/Hester potential. Not really something I want in the first round.

My thoughts exactly. That is pretty much what turned me off from Chris Gamble about three years ago.

LoganBuck
04-25-2007, 08:00 AM
My thoughts exactly. That is pretty much what turned me off from Chris Gamble about three years ago.

Lets see though, those Buckeye Colored Glasses guys said take Gamble, and the Bengals took Chris Perry. If they had taken Gamble this team would be MUCH better off.

I don't really want Ginn, I think he would be a better corner, and Marvin did hint at that in his press conference yesterday. If the Bengals take him to run back kicks, play a 3rd or 4th reciever, AND be a nickle or dime corner, with potential to move their permanently down the road. I would not complain.

Cedric
04-25-2007, 09:33 AM
I knew that Michael Jenkins would be a stretch as a first WR and said it plenty of times. I'm not biased about Ohio State players.

Ginn has one problem and that's getting in and out of cuts on his routes. I can't imagine how that's an issue considering this will be his fourth year at this position.

Personally I think the made up thing about his hands makes my point about perception and how players get downgraded when they excel so much at another area.

I would prefer Reggie Nelson over anyone. I'm just not gonna cry if the Bengals take a playmaker with so much top end ability like Ted Ginn Jr.

Roy Tucker
04-25-2007, 12:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/sports/football/25nfl.html?ref=sports

Red Leader
04-25-2007, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the link, Roy. What a friggin' beast that guy is. I'll be interested to see where he gets drafted and if he makes it.

HotCorner
04-25-2007, 12:39 PM
That story reminds me of Toe Nash.

However with the NFL's new emphasis on character, who is willing to take a chance?

Caseyfan21
04-25-2007, 01:55 PM
Jim Tressel has repeatedly stated that Ted Ginn Jr has the best hands of any WR he has ever had.

Where is this no hands thing coming from? Watch the 06 Michigan game and you won't question his hands.

And his route running is an obvious problem. Remember he's played the FL position for exactly 3 years.

He fumbled a couple punts and I guess that is allowing for this weird hands thing. I'll take Jim Tressel and his opinion over anyone else.

"Here is guy who came to us as a return specialist and defensive back and has developed into a very good receiver," Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel said. "He has always had great hands and he has become a very good route runner. With his speed, he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball." Jim Tressel.

This is just another case of misinformation becoming fact somewhere. Ginn has always had great hands.

If he has such great hands then maybe it's a concentration problem. I can specifically think of several times from the past season alone where Ginn dropped balls when he was wide open. I would take Gonzalez over Ginn for being able to catch tough throws. Gonzo is fearless and will go after the ball and make plays. I just haven't seen Teddy do that as often as Gonzo.

Ginn playing special teams and working on defense would certainly be interesting though.

Ben
04-25-2007, 05:59 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/sports/f...nyt&emc=rss

Quarterback Jordan Palmer Is No Hand-Me-Down
By KAREN CROUSE
Published: April 25, 2007

(IMG:http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/04/24/sports/football/palmer.450.jpg)
Jordan Palmer is 6 feet 6 and 230 pounds, with broad shoulders and close-cropped, dirty blond hair and is often confused for his older brother Carson.


Jordan Palmer shops for his clothing at Goodwill stores, which seems a fitting way to introduce the quarterback prospect for whom the National Football League draft is a hand-me-down experience.

In 2003 the Cincinnati Bengals made Palmer’s brother, Carson, a quarterback out of the University of Southern California, the No. 1 pick in the draft. Four years later, the younger Palmer, a four-year starter at the University of Texas-El Paso, is considered a probable second-day pick.

Carson Palmer entered the 2003 draft weekend having already agreed to a contract with the Bengals that guaranteed him a $10 million signing bonus. Jordan Palmer heads into this weekend’s draft with a guaranteed tee time for 36 holes with Carson on a golf course in Colorado, where their parents, Bill and Dana, own a home.

If Palmer is at all burdened that his football career has not measured up to his brother’s, he did not show it at the N.F.L. scouting combine in February. “I don’t think there is a huge difference,” he quipped when asked about the inevitable comparisons, “besides that he’s won a bunch of awards, he’s really famous and he’s really rich.”

In the yearly shopping expedition that is the N.F.L. draft, Palmer would describe himself as a real steal for a team that’s not so stuck on labels and recognizes, as he does, that the best finds are often found off the gilded path.

“I can’t compete with Carson in a lot of areas,” Palmer said over lunch recently at a sports bar not far from Mission Viejo, Calif., where he grew up. “But I can compete with him for Super Bowls, because he hasn’t won one of those yet. In the N.F.L. I want to be that guy who leads my team to a championship. That’s my goal.”

Palmer’s dream scenario is to be drafted by a team in the Bengals’ division so he and his brother might oppose each other twice a year, every year, into the next decade.

“If I could go anywhere,” Palmer said, “it’d be somewhere like Baltimore so I could play against Carson.”

Jordan Palmer is 6 feet 6 and 230 pounds, with broad shoulders and close-cropped, dirty blond hair that he usually keeps tucked underneath a baseball cap. He is the spitting image of Carson.

Not long ago, he was taking his girlfriend, Dottie O’Dell, out to dinner when a stranger ran up to him, grabbed him by the arm, thrust a piece of paper in front of him and said, “Carson, will you sign this for me?”

Palmer politely shrugged off the autograph seeker, and according to O’Dell, said, “No, no, I’m not him, but I get that a lot.” He has been heard telling others who confuse him for his brother: “I’m not an N.F.L. player. I’m unemployed and live with my parents.”

It is the pared-down truth, but after this weekend he hopes his story changes. Palmer, 22, completed 65.7 percent of his passes last year for 3,595 yards and 26 TDs for the Miners, a Conference USA team that finished 5-7.

While his mechanics are exceptional, the same cannot be said of his accuracy; as a senior he was intercepted 14 times, which equals the number of picks that Brady Quinn recorded during his final two seasons at Notre Dame.

Mike Mayock, the N.F.L. Network draft expert, said he foresees Palmer being selected late in the fourth round, maybe, but more likely in the fifth or sixth. “He’s a bit of a project,” Mayock said, adding: “In my opinion the whole interception-to-touchdown ratio has gotten blown out of proportion a little. If you watch tape a lot of the interceptions were not his fault.”

Palmer, who conceded he has a gambler’s streak that he is working to tone down, does not dwell on things he cannot control. His focus, he said, is on being coachable, being a hard worker and being tough. “I don’t want people to think I’m content with my last name and being tall,” he said. “I love to compete and I want to be successful, and to do that I know I need to work hard every day to get better.”

Ron Hudson, who recruited Palmer to play at Texas-El Paso before leaving to become the offensive line coach at Louisiana-Lafayette, called Palmer a one-of-a-kind person and leader.

“He’s not ashamed to be a little different,” Hudson said in a telephone interview, adding, “He’s a different cat. He has a swagger that comes not from arrogance but from a leadership standpoint.”

Hudson remembered how Palmer reached out to teammates who came from different backgrounds and was not afraid to confront players about any behaviors that could be considered detrimental to the team. “He’s the best leader I’ve seen bar none,” he said.

As the draft nears, Hudson listens to the so-called experts question Palmer’s decision-making and his reads and he does not know what to think. “Will he make it in the N.F.L.?” Hudson said. “I don’t know, but I’ve told people this: He will never embarrass anybody who brings him in.”

Palmer acknowledged his second-hand sartorial style probably raises a few eyebrows in certain places he goes with O’Dell in Orange County, like the glitzy outdoor malls where consumers seem to spend a lot of time shopping for status. The dark, three-piece polyester suit that he considers one of his greatest Goodwill finds might not go over too well with the Hugo Boss crowd.

During one of Carson’s recent trips back to Southern California, the brothers played Torrey Pines, the public golf course outside San Diego. They were paired with two strangers from West Virginia who happened to be wide-eyed Bengals fans. After trading stories and shots for 18 holes, the men told the Palmers they were surprised at how normal they were.

“That’s a bigger compliment than someone saying you’re cool,” said Palmer, who has no use for people who judge others by the clothes on their backs, the car in their garage or their family name.

“I take what I do very seriously, but I don’t take myself seriously,” he said.

Palmer played second violin in the high school band and college football in West Texas, both moves he can say, looking back, were his way of forging an identity separate from his brother’s. As he prepares to follow Carson into the N.F.L., Palmer’s sense of self is stronger than his throwing arm.

“He doesn’t care what other people think,” his girlfriend, O’Dell, said. “He is his own person.”

TeamSelig
04-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Cool, I had forgot about him.

HotCorner
04-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Here's my wish list for the Bengals draft:

1st rnd - S Michael Griffin, Texas (Trade down to mid-20's and add a 3rd rnd pick)
2nd rnd - CB Josh Wilson, Maryland
3rd rnd - LB Justin Durant, Hampton
4th rnd - RB Chris Henry, Arizona
5th rnd - WR Mike Walker, Central Florida
6th rnd - CB Courtney Brown, Cal Poly
7th rnd - T Elliot Vallejo, Cal-Davis
7th rnd - QB Jeff Smith, Georgetown (KY)

WVRed
04-26-2007, 08:32 PM
Here's my wish list for the Bengals draft:

1st rnd - S Michael Griffin, Texas (Trade down to mid-20's and add a 3rd rnd pick)
2nd rnd - CB Josh Wilson, Maryland
3rd rnd - LB Justin Durant, Hampton
4th rnd - RB Chris Henry, Arizona
5th rnd - WR Mike Walker, Central Florida
6th rnd - CB Courtney Brown, Cal Poly
7th rnd - T Elliot Vallejo, Cal-Davis
7th rnd - QB Jeff Smith, Georgetown (KY)

If I had to guess, Wilson and Durant will be gone in the second round.

Other than that, can't really argue.

mroby85
04-26-2007, 10:51 PM
I'm a huge ohio state fan, and i wouldn't be disappointed with the selection of Teddy, but i think it may be in the best interest of the bengals to take defense. I don't think Ginn will be great in the NFL, but i think he has the potential to be a gamebreaker, if that makes sense.

Cedric
04-26-2007, 10:53 PM
I'm a huge ohio state fan, and i wouldn't be disappointed with the selection of Teddy, but i think it may be in the best interest of the bengals to take defense. I don't think Ginn will be great in the NFL, but i think he has the potential to be a gamebreaker, if that makes sense.

Any player that is in the spotlight as much as Ginn will get downgraded a little bit. Everybody has something to nitpick about him and slowly word becomes gospel. Sorta like the no hands thing.

sonny
04-27-2007, 05:23 AM
But taking Ginn w/ 18? Lets just suppose he's still there, what chance does he have to be an impact player? A good returner, sure, but getting on the field for any real PT is just something the Bengals can't offer. This is just pre draft hub-bub to get a better shot at someone they really want.

The week before the draft, you can tell when GMs are blowing smoke: their lips move.

WMR
04-27-2007, 07:19 AM
Is Jeff Smith the Georgetown College QB going to get drafted?

Don't see many players from my alma mater on draft boards very often.

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 07:55 AM
I think if the Browns don't take Joe Thomas they are making a mistake.

They can get a runner in round 2, and possibly Smith in the third.

I would be pleased with the Browns if they got Joe Thomas and Troy Smith.

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 07:57 AM
I'm a huge ohio state fan, and i wouldn't be disappointed with the selection of Teddy, but i think it may be in the best interest of the bengals to take defense. I don't think Ginn will be great in the NFL, but i think he has the potential to be a gamebreaker, if that makes sense.

I think that having a healthy Ted Ginn Jr. returning kicks and filling the role of Chris Henry would be sick.

WMR
04-28-2007, 08:15 AM
The Browns need to take Brady Quinn. Can't wait to see the Bengals punish him next season.

Ben
04-28-2007, 08:40 AM
The Browns need to take Brady Quinn. Can't wait to see the Bengals punish him next season.

Especially with "My Guy" Lawrence Timmons doing the punishing:beerme:

sonny
04-28-2007, 09:12 AM
Mumbling, mumblings. Oakland will reportedly NOT take JeMarcus Russell with the 1st pick. I think this is a smokescreen personally, but what the suits at ESPN radio say is that they either have deal in place to trade down, or will pick Calvin Johnson.

Oh The drama!

Draft Day, it's gorgeousness and gorgasity.

cincy jacket
04-28-2007, 10:07 AM
[QUOTE=sonny;1322250]Mumbling, mumblings. Oakland will reportedly NOT take JeMarcus Russell with the 1st pick. I think this is a smokescreen personally, but what the suits at ESPN radio say is that they either have deal in place to trade down, or will pick Calvin Johnson.QUOTE]

Let the fun begin..... Now ESPN.com is reporting that Oakland has decided to take Russell w/ the first pick. Still two more hours to go though so things could change.

sonny
04-28-2007, 10:44 AM
Man, so they'll change their minds another 25 times. IMO, Russell will be a serviceable but not an impact QB in the NFL

Cedric
04-28-2007, 12:27 PM
You guys think baseball scouts and GM's are dumb? JaMarcus Russel as the first pick is amazing.

The guy was a late first day pick and after two good games he makes 90 million. He has a slow release and never played in a pro system. He also had the fastest set of WR's in the history of college football.

I wouldn't have taken him in the second round.

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 12:44 PM
Joe Thomas it is.

Great pick Cleveland. They have done a very good job rebuilding the O-Line this offseason.

Now if they would take a RB with round 2, and can get Troy Smith in the third I would be absolutely thrilled.

KronoRed
04-28-2007, 01:01 PM
I "eagerly" await my Tampa Bay Buccaneers drafting Calvin Johnson so that Jeff Garcia can have a great WR to underthrow this season.

Hooray for the Lions :D

Benihana
04-28-2007, 01:03 PM
what is lapham saying re: the Bengals?? Man I wish I was in Cincy right now...

great pick for the Brownies

Joseph
04-28-2007, 01:24 PM
Ok, not to diverge from the topic too much, but what's with these Bettie Page meets Jackass girls on the commercials?

sonny
04-28-2007, 01:40 PM
I have no idea. But which is worse, that or the click-clack commercials?

LoganBuck
04-28-2007, 01:51 PM
Lapham was on the radio out of Lima this morning around 11am. He talked about Ginn alot, but he still thinks the Bengals go with a corner in the first, and hopefully Zach Miller in the the second. He said to watch out if the corners are off the board by the time Cincy picks.

Scratch that Ted Ginn just went to Miami

Joseph
04-28-2007, 01:52 PM
Brady Quinn is getting pwned!

sonny
04-28-2007, 01:52 PM
Ginn to Miami. Suprise!

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 01:53 PM
Ginn to the Dolphins. Just how far will Quinn drop.

OSUredsFAN
04-28-2007, 01:54 PM
WOW!! can't believe the Fins passed on Quinn.

wally post
04-28-2007, 01:55 PM
what if Quinn drops to the bengals? Do they do a trade with someone that has already picked? Detroit for instance?

rotnoid
04-28-2007, 01:56 PM
Ginn to the Dolphins. Just how far will Quinn drop.

The next few picks probably won't be him either. I'd think there's a trade coming.

captainmorgan07
04-28-2007, 01:58 PM
quinn falling like a rock off a cliff

Degenerate39
04-28-2007, 01:59 PM
Hopefully the Bengals can get Quinn and then trade him.

WVRed
04-28-2007, 01:59 PM
what if Quinn drops to the bengals? Do they do a trade with someone that has already picked? Detroit for instance?

Tampa has two second round picks. That would be worth trading out of the first round for.

rotnoid
04-28-2007, 02:01 PM
ESPN's draft central is reporting that Miami may have a deal in place for Trent Green. It explains why not Quinn, but it doesn't explain why in the world they would stretch for Ginn.

savafan
04-28-2007, 02:07 PM
I'd consider it a victory if Cleveland can figure out a way to get both Thomas and Quinn.

max venable
04-28-2007, 02:12 PM
I'd consider it a victory if Cleveland can figure out a way to get both Thomas and Quinn.

That would be amazing...and now...seemingly possible.

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 02:25 PM
I'd consider it a victory if Cleveland can figure out a way to get both Thomas and Quinn.

I would rather have Troy Smith. Just my preference.

hebroncougar
04-28-2007, 02:26 PM
I love how the ESPN analysts are all of a sudden saying...........Quinn's average, he disappears in big games, etc. These guys are a joke. Before the draft he was a surefire top 5.

savafan
04-28-2007, 02:30 PM
I would rather have Troy Smith. Just my preference.

What are your reasons for this? I hope it's not OSU man-love. I feel that Quinn has more poise and would be able to step in and be an NFL starter much sooner than Smith. When you see comparisons between Brady Quinn and Tom Brady at the college level, you see what kind of potential he has. Troy Smith reminds me a lot of Charlie Ward. Of course, we don't know what Ward would have done in the NFL, but Smith would be good for a team that needs someone who can rebound the ball.

GAC
04-28-2007, 02:43 PM
Browns tack OT Thomas..... excellent pick. Ginn goes #9 to Miami.

I can't believe that Detroit, which is hurting bad at defense, took another receiver.

Will Quinn go in the 1st round? So far..... Not!

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 02:44 PM
What are your reasons for this? I hope it's not OSU man-love. I feel that Quinn has more poise and would be able to step in and be an NFL starter much sooner than Smith. When you see comparisons between Brady Quinn and Tom Brady at the college level, you see what kind of potential he has. Troy Smith reminds me a lot of Charlie Ward. Of course, we don't know what Ward would have done in the NFL, but Smith would be good for a team that needs someone who can rebound the ball.

Part of it is "OSU man-love". I personally wanted Justin Zwick to be the man at OSU, and Troy Smith quickly changed my mind in the Texas game two years ago.

I think that Troy Smith took Florida for granted, and didn't prepare as he should have. Florida took advantage and destroyed him. I don't think he makes that mistake ever again.

It would be great if the Brownies got either Troy, or Brady.

sonny
04-28-2007, 03:04 PM
I love how the ESPN analysts are all of a sudden saying...........Quinn's average, he disappears in big games, etc. These guys are a joke. Before the draft he was a surefire top 5.

Now there calling him a great steal at this point in the draft. Kiper makes me want to vomit.

Reds Freak
04-28-2007, 03:12 PM
I would think the Bengals are looking at either Hall, Beason, Nelson, or Branch. Or they might consider trading that pick for a bunch of other picks to a team that wants Quinn.

sonny
04-28-2007, 03:20 PM
Hall would be the smart choice. Branch is Lazy IMO.

Degenerate39
04-28-2007, 03:27 PM
Still no Quinn

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 03:29 PM
I think Hall would be a great pick for the Bengals here.

hebroncougar
04-28-2007, 03:31 PM
Part of it is "OSU man-love". I personally wanted Justin Zwick to be the man at OSU, and Troy Smith quickly changed my mind in the Texas game two years ago.

I think that Troy Smith took Florida for granted, and didn't prepare as he should have. Florida took advantage and destroyed him. I don't think he makes that mistake ever again.

It would be great if the Brownies got either Troy, or Brady.

I'd say the whole Buckeye team did.

cinredsfan2000
04-28-2007, 03:31 PM
Does dallas maybe take Quinn? OR does k.C. grab him at #23:confused: :confused: Oh how do i love seeing Brady continue to fall .

Benihana
04-28-2007, 03:31 PM
no no no please PLEASE give me REGGIE NELSON!!!!

Degenerate39
04-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Leon Hall the Bengals first pick

Joseph
04-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Hall, good choice. I like it.

sonny
04-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Its Hall. Good pick even though he's a Michigan punk :)

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2007, 03:37 PM
The Bengals will probably draft that punter from Northern Colorado with their first pick in the draft. I believe his name is Mitchell Cozad.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_4519130

;)

WVRed
04-28-2007, 03:39 PM
Me likey.

They are comparing him to Ty Law. You have to figure with him and Jonathan Joseph that our secondary is going to be in good shape.

On a side note, I was glad to see Goodell offer a private suite to Brady Quinn and his family away from the media. My guess is he will fall no farther than Kansas City.

sonny
04-28-2007, 03:40 PM
I wonder now if Justin Zwick will go before Brady

KronoRed
04-28-2007, 03:43 PM
The Bengals will probably draft that punter from Northern Colorado with their first pick in the draft. I believe his name is Mitchell Cozad.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_4519130

;)

He fits :devil:

guttle11
04-28-2007, 03:45 PM
Hall, Joseph, and Madieu Williams make up a pretty promising 3/4 of a future secondary.

Go get a LB or D-lineman in round 2, and maybe a TE in round 3.

OSUredsFAN
04-28-2007, 03:47 PM
Hall, Joseph, and Madieu Williams make up a pretty promising 3/4 of a future secondary.

Go get a LB or D-lineman in round 2, and maybe a TE in round 3.


We have no 3rd round pick

WVRed
04-28-2007, 03:53 PM
We have no 3rd round pick

Yep, used it on Ahman Brooks in the supplemental draft.

We could still trade Deltha O'Neal.

D-Man
04-28-2007, 03:53 PM
If the Bears traded up to draft Quinn, they would be a powerhouse for years. Seriously. I expect he will be a very good QB, at least, and perhaps a lot more.

By the way, Pro Football Prospectus did a study of drafted QBs. Essentially there are only two statistics that matter when drafting a QB--number of college starts and completion percentage. And Brady has both of those in spades.

It's crazy, but virtually everything else (TDs, yards per attempt, size, arm strength, etc.) doesn't matter in terms of predicting NFL success.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2007, 04:01 PM
Anyone think Brady Quinn would actually fall all the way to the 31st Pick?

LoganBuck
04-28-2007, 04:01 PM
I am ok with Hall, not wild about it, but ok. He didn't match up well with Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn, but those two guys are unique in the college game. Against more structured NFL offenses, he will do better. Leon Hall was a generally considered to be a Top 10 guy, so they got "good value"

15fan
04-28-2007, 04:06 PM
Brady Quinn, Ron Powlus and Rick Mirer are all one & the same.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 04:07 PM
Anyone think Brady Quinn would actually fall all the way to the 31st Pick?
No I think he goes to KC at 23.

LoganBuck
04-28-2007, 04:08 PM
I like the idea of drafting Dave Lapham's guy TE, Zack Miller in the second round. The Bengals will be getting a more experienced Ahmad Brooks back next year, AJ Nicholson, and maybe Odell Thurman. I like the idea of going TE, if Miller is there.

KYRedsFan
04-28-2007, 04:08 PM
Great pick. Have a real nice secondary shaping up. Hope someone falls to us in the second, lots of D coming off the board.

KYRedsFan
04-28-2007, 04:08 PM
Dallas should take this trade.

KYRedsFan
04-28-2007, 04:16 PM
Wow, Cleveland gets Thomas and Brady. Expensive

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 04:17 PM
Browns made the trade with Dallas looks like they are getting Quinn.

hebroncougar
04-28-2007, 04:18 PM
Wow, with these two picks, Cleveland got a whole lot better.

Reds Freak
04-28-2007, 04:18 PM
Any word on what Cleveland gave up for that pick?

hebroncougar
04-28-2007, 04:21 PM
2nd pick this year, and next years #1.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Browns gave up their 2nd round pick this year and next years 1st round pick to Dallas.

sonny
04-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Wow, the Brownies gave up the number 1 overall next year ;)

Reds Freak
04-28-2007, 04:22 PM
Hey Brady, get used to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpa-SG4yh54

:mooner:

savafan
04-28-2007, 04:24 PM
I'd consider it a victory if Cleveland can figure out a way to get both Thomas and Quinn.

Victory. :D

pedro
04-28-2007, 04:25 PM
Having grown up a Browns fan and after waiting this long through the 1st round Brady Quinn must be ecstatic right now.

sonny
04-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Victory. :D

Well played sir. Well played. :thumbup:

LoganBuck
04-28-2007, 04:35 PM
That is a STEEP price for Quinn. The Browns will need to go 9-7 just to be around the 20th pick. Odds are that is another top 10 pick next year.

Puffy
04-28-2007, 04:43 PM
That is a STEEP price for Quinn. The Browns will need to go 9-7 just to be around the 20th pick. Odds are that is another top 10 pick next year.

Well, if the Browns feel that Quinn is a top ten pick this year then they just need to be outside that next year to make this value.

I love the trade for the Browns and as much as i hate to say it I love it for Dallas as well.

Plus, this all gives the added bonus of GAC now having to like Quinn.

mole44
04-28-2007, 04:55 PM
As a Browns fan, I LOVE today! Two top 5 players in one round, gotta love that. The price wasnt as steep as it seems really. Losing the 2nd this year worries me more than the first next year.

WMR
04-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Haha I've only had ESPN on for 5 minutes and I'm already sick of these ******s jibber jabbering

HumnHilghtFreel
04-28-2007, 04:58 PM
As a Cowboys fan, I think we made the right move by getting the extra picks, but I was extremely disappointed as I had waited around 3 freakin hours to see us take someone:help:

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2007, 04:59 PM
As a Cowboys fan, I think we made the right move by getting the extra picks, but I was extremely disappointed as I had waited around 3 freakin hours to see us take someone:help:
You don't have to wait much longer. Dallas just traded with the Eagles for the 26th pick.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-28-2007, 05:13 PM
You don't have to wait much longer. Dallas just traded with the Eagles for the 26th pick.

:( Don't like what we gave up there for who we picked. I would have rather seen them take a safety or CB

upon further review, taking into consideration the picks we get from the Browns, I indeed like this move.

StillFunkyB
04-28-2007, 05:31 PM
Well even though I would have preferred Troy Smith, I am very happy with Brady Quinn.

dsmith421
04-28-2007, 06:04 PM
I'm pensive. The last guy we picked from Michigan has been an outright disaster, and Hall got picked apart by a guy who ran a 4.6 in the Rose Bowl.

Granted that Nelson doesn't fill a position of need, but he's a potential game-changing defensive player. Hall doesn't strike me that way.

keeganbrick
04-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Colts drafted Gonzo even though I didnt think they would pass up on Branch. I love the pick though, welcome to the team Gonzo...OH-IO!

guttle11
04-28-2007, 06:35 PM
The Browns are putting all their eggs in one basket now. There's no middle ground with this trade. Either it's the thing that propels them forward or it sends them back into the cellar for another 4 or 5 years.

I really don't know which way I'd lean at this point.

Cedric
04-28-2007, 06:58 PM
The Patriots win with Atrell Hawkins and Tory James type talent. The Bengals still haven't figured out that you win with the pass rush. Without a pass rush you aren't going to do a damn thing in this league.

Another middling pick from a man that has been downright average lately in his choices.

guttle11
04-28-2007, 07:04 PM
The Patriots win with Atrell Hawkins and Tory James type talent. The Bengals still haven't figured out that you win with the pass rush. Without a pass rush you aren't going to do a damn thing in this league.

Another middling pick from a man that has been dowright average lately in his choices.

They do still have 5 picks left. They took the best defensive player. Hall was rated by many as going anywhere from 8-12. Getting him at 18 is a steal.

Cedric
04-28-2007, 07:07 PM
They do still have 5 picks left. They took the best defensive player. Hall was rated by many as going anywhere from 8-12. Getting him at 18 is a steal.

Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph are dependent on a pass rush first. Unless you are Deion Sanders you aren't worth the first round value if the team you play on has no Dline.

The Bengals will not win in the playoffs until they can somehow generate a pass rush. I don't see it.

Cedric
04-28-2007, 07:10 PM
LOVING the Miami draft. I think John Beck is a better talent than Brady Quinn and they got the best playmaker in the draft also.

I would have loved Alan Branch in the 18 spot. Guess it was a little early.

If it wasn't for the damn arrests the Bengals could have snagged Eric Wright in the second round and picked a better value in the first.

Tony Cloninger
04-28-2007, 07:12 PM
I agree Cedric.....unless you are a Grade A corner.....you need a pass rush.

With the rules to help the offense......you have to have Mike Haynes, Lester hayes, Mel Renfro and Darnell Green at CB to stop WR's nowadays.

joshnky
04-28-2007, 07:24 PM
It would be great if David Harris falls to Cincy but otherwise there aren't too many players I like that we need.

WVRed
04-28-2007, 07:41 PM
It would be great if David Harris falls to Cincy but otherwise there aren't too many players I like that we need.

Ditto.

Cedric
04-28-2007, 07:41 PM
It would be great if David Harris falls to Cincy but otherwise there aren't too many players I like that we need.

Remember the Georgia draft? Not even mentioning this is Michigan.

Bad karma :)

WVRed
04-28-2007, 07:49 PM
Jets trade up to take Harris. Damn.:(

I'm betting the pick is Ryan Kalil. We need a center and he is the top rated player on the board.

WVRed
04-28-2007, 08:05 PM
Kenny Irons.

I guess this somewhat makes sense, although I would have rather seen them take Kalil. Rudi isnt getting any younger and Perry is injury prone.

guttle11
04-28-2007, 08:10 PM
There's no top level defensive guys left. The rest are 3rd round and lower. May as well take the best athlete on their board.

Otherwise, it makes no sense.

NJReds
04-28-2007, 08:30 PM
Cowboys and Browns trade again.

Browns get 'Boys second rounder and take Wright, CB, UNLV

Cowboys get Browns' third, fourth and swap 6ths ('boys move up 17 spots)

That's a lot to give up to move up 14 spots, IMO. But Wright's a pretty good prospect.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-28-2007, 08:42 PM
The 'Boys are working hard to keep me unentertained today :laugh:

GAC
04-28-2007, 09:06 PM
Having grown up a Browns fan and after waiting this long through the 1st round Brady Quinn must be ecstatic right now.

I knew there something I liked about you pedro. :mooner:

Good moves by th Browns IMO. With some of the deals they made in this off-season, as well as this draft, they are a much improved team. Adding Seth McKinney and Eric Steinbach through free agency, Cleveland's offensive line should be substantially better this year with the addition of Thomas.

Quinn has the poise to step in right away and enough confidence to learn from his mistakes along the way. It also helps that the Browns have done an excellent job of improving the offensive line during the offseason since Quinn shouldn't get harassed as much as Charlie Frye did last year.

WE could use a Corner Back though.

guttle11
04-28-2007, 09:15 PM
WE could use a Corner Back though.

You got one. He's pretty good, but comes with the dreaded "off-field issues."

GAC
04-28-2007, 09:20 PM
You got one. He's pretty good, but comes with the dreaded "off-field issues."


Did we get that kid from UNLV? I'm looking at draft coverage on ESPN and can't find anything.

Joseph
04-28-2007, 09:34 PM
Did we get that kid from UNLV? I'm looking at draft coverage on ESPN and can't find anything.

Yes you did.

I think Henry will be able to help him with some legal representation. Welcome to Bengaldom ;)

Totally kidding. I hate the Browns, well not hate because...well I dunno, but I don't like em anyway, so I thought I'd give you a bit of a ribbing. Solid draft though.

WMR
04-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Was RB the right pick there? I was hoping DE/DT/LB.

What's the story on Irons?

Razor Shines
04-28-2007, 09:44 PM
Colts drafted Gonzo even though I didnt think they would pass up on Branch. I love the pick though, welcome to the team Gonzo...OH-IO!

I also love that pick for the Colts. I figured they'd go with defense, but he's a perfect their need at the slot receiver.

redsfan30
04-28-2007, 09:49 PM
Cleveland gave up an arm and a leg to get Quinn, but they've had a decent draft despite that.

guttle11
04-28-2007, 09:58 PM
Was RB the right pick there? I was hoping DE/DT/LB.

What's the story on Irons?

Good, sold, bruising back.

If there had been better defensive talent on the board, I'd hate this pick. There really wasn't, so I'm almost kinda like it. Maybe they can trade Perry for a 5th rounder and go with Irons as the backup/3rd down guy.

WVRed
04-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Was RB the right pick there? I was hoping DE/DT/LB.

What's the story on Irons?

NFL.com is comparing him to Jerious Norwood, FWIW.

WMR
04-28-2007, 10:08 PM
Do you have that link handy, WV?

WVRed
04-28-2007, 10:18 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/irons_kenny

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/hall_leon

WVRed
04-28-2007, 10:20 PM
On a side note, seven wideouts have been taken thus far in the third round.

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 01:26 AM
Marvin Lewis proves once again that he's totally clueless regarding the NFL draft.

The Bengals will never win more than 8 games next year and 363 days from now we'll be sitting here with the #16 pick and #47 pick wondering what is going through Marvin's head.

Let me guess....take a runningback, and then take the wrong one.

BoydsOfSummer
04-29-2007, 03:02 AM
That was an outstanding day for the Browns. I wanted Thomas with that 3rd and if not him, Quinn. When Quinn got past Miami I just knew Phil was going to trade back into the 1st. Eric Wright can play too, and his problems in the past seem to be just that, past. I can't see Savage trading up to get him without thoroughly checking into that.

Things are looking up fellow Dawgs. The OL went from putrid to pretty darn good in an offseason.

LT--Joe Thomas
LG--Eric Steinbach
C-- McKinney or Fraley or (GASP) LeChuck Bentley
RG-- Tucker, McKinney, Andruzzi, Sowells (A Dawgfight of a competition!)
RT--Kevin Schaeffer

Upright QB's are way more effective no matter their name or draft position. :thumbup:

GAC
04-29-2007, 04:26 AM
Plus, this all gives the added bonus of GAC now having to like Quinn.

I knew somehow you were behind this Dallas deal. :mooner:

But even I am on record as saying that Quinn would not only go higher, but have a better NFL career then OSU's Smith. ;)

Hey! I'll give the kid a chance. I'm just glad they didn't take him with their 1st pick, which everyone was predicting (except me). I've been following Savage quite a bit, and I knew he was serious about this O-line and was gonna head in that direction with this pick.

The Browns have some talent on the offensive side; but their O-line couldn't buy the time for plays to develop.

I have not been too impressed with previous drafts by the Browns; but this one, and their agressiveness, and what they got from doing so, has impressed me.

I don't think Quinn, who has learned in an NFL system already, will be back their running for his life as much as Frye was. We'll see.

GAC
04-29-2007, 04:31 AM
That was an outstanding day for the Browns. I wanted Thomas with that 3rd and if not him, Quinn. When Quinn got past Miami I just knew Phil was going to trade back into the 1st. Eric Wright can play too, and his problems in the past seem to be just that, past. I can't see Savage trading up to get him without thoroughly checking into that.

Things are looking up fellow Dawgs. The OL went from putrid to pretty darn good in an offseason.

LT--Joe Thomas
LG--Eric Steinbach
C-- McKinney or Fraley or (GASP) LeChuck Bentley
RG-- Tucker, McKinney, Andruzzi, Sowells (A Dawgfight of a competition!)
RT--Kevin Schaeffer

Upright QB's are way more effective no matter their name or draft position. :thumbup:

I'm waggin' my tail.... GIVE ME A BISCUIT!

I'm getting tired of feeling like this....

http://www.thebrownandorange.com/files/images/depressed-browns-fan.jpg

WVRed
04-29-2007, 08:15 AM
Marvin Lewis proves once again that he's totally clueless regarding the NFL draft.

The Bengals will never win more than 8 games next year and 363 days from now we'll be sitting here with the #16 pick and #47 pick wondering what is going through Marvin's head.

Let me guess....take a runningback, and then take the wrong one.

Care to back this up? Who exactly would you have rather seen them take at RB over Irons? I'm not overly thrilled that they took a RB, but given the quality of defensive players left on the board, this was clearly best player available.

As far as Leon Hall goes, most of the criticism I have seen from him is coming from Ohio St fans, so that should tell you something.;)

Hoosier Red
04-29-2007, 08:27 AM
Was RB the right pick there? I was hoping DE/DT/LB.

What's the story on Irons?

Enter George Grande, "What? You don't know his story?"

sonny
04-29-2007, 09:45 AM
What's the story on Irons?

Enter George Grande, "What? You don't know his story?"

"He's a great guy on the field, but a better one off the field"

Joseph
04-29-2007, 10:18 AM
Marvin Lewis proves once again that he's totally clueless regarding the NFL draft.

The Bengals will never win more than 8 games next year and 363 days from now we'll be sitting here with the #16 pick and #47 pick wondering what is going through Marvin's head.

Let me guess....take a runningback, and then take the wrong one.

No more than 8 wins next season? Have you seen the Bengals schedule? I think they can fall backwards into 9 wins and I'd set the over under for the season at 11 if I were a betting man.

blumj
04-29-2007, 11:19 AM
The Pats traded a 4th for Randy Moss. They must really, really hate this draft, they're basically just giving their picks away now.:laugh:

Joseph
04-29-2007, 11:36 AM
The Pats traded a 4th for Randy Moss. They must really, really hate this draft, they're basically just giving their picks away now.:laugh:

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yachtzee
04-29-2007, 11:37 AM
I still have faith that Marvin Lewis and his crew are pretty darn good at evaluating talent. His big problems in the past have been bad luck regarding injuries (Perry, Pollack) and taking guys with character issues because they were "value" picks (first or second round talent dropping to later rounds because of character). But I don't think he's had any outright busts yet, at least in terms of a guy not having the talent they expected him to have. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Reds Fanatic
04-29-2007, 12:00 PM
Bengals 4th round pick:

Marvin White S TCU

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11266&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11266


White originally attended Kilgore (Texas) Junior College where he played the 2003 and 2004 seasons, earning All-American recognition. He then started nine of 13 games in 2005 after transferring to TCU, recording 67 total tackles including two for loss, five pass breakups, and three interceptions to earn second team All-Mountain West honors. White became a first team All-Mountain West (media) performer in 2006 after starting all 13 contests and posting 86 total tackles, three tackles for loss, one sack, four interceptions, three pass breakups, and two forced fumbles.
White is raw and his technique -- especially in coverage -- needs lots of polishing before he can push for playing time in the NFL. Furthermore, there are serious concerns about his mental capacity and ability to line up a defense. On the flipside, White is a tough, aggressive player with explosive power for his size.

WVRed
04-29-2007, 12:05 PM
Bengals 3rd round pick:

Marvin White S TCU

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11266&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11266

You mean 4th.

I like this pick, FWIW.

WVRed
04-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Jeff Rowe, Quarterback from Nevada.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 01:48 PM
You do not need a freaking QB.....jeepers....you could have grabbed a TE from Delaware or Tim Shaw LB from Penn State...plenty of better options than a guy who IF he even has to play this year, this team is dead anyways.

I think Mike Brown has taken over the draft again.

dsmith421
04-29-2007, 01:50 PM
Jeff Rowe, Quarterback from Nevada.

I live in Reno and attended most of UNR's games last season. I've met Jeff and he is a down-to-earth sort with a very close-knit family.

In Rowe, the Bengals are getting an extremely intelligent, physically gifted quarterback whose skills were somewhat muted by Chris Ault's pistol offense. Rowe is about the same height as Palmer but will need to beef up in the offseason. I think it's clear the club views Rowe as a long-term backup for Palmer and frankly I don't think there's a better guy out there to fill that hole.

The obvious controversy will be passing on Troy Smith. While I think Smith could be a fine NFL player, I don't know that a team with a 6-5 howitzer-armed starter really wants a 5-10 scrambler as a backup.

As a Bengals fan, I'm still concerned with the team's failure to address the defensive front seven. Hopefully we'll see moves made toward grabbing up a playmaking LB like Cato June or Al Wilson as free agency proceeds.

WVRed
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
I'm somewhat surprised they didnt draft Jordan Palmer.:)

Seriously though, I would give this draft a B so far. A for the value of the players taken, C for the inability to address the front seven.

Also, Cato June signed with Tennessee.

WVRed
04-29-2007, 02:02 PM
You do not need a freaking QB.....jeepers....you could have grabbed a TE from Delaware or Tim Shaw LB from Penn State...plenty of better options than a guy who IF he even has to play this year, this team is dead anyways.

I think Mike Brown has taken over the draft again.

Well, if it makes you feel better, Carolina and the Giants both passed on Ben Patrick.

This is what I love about the NFL Draft. The armchair GM's always criticize when a player falls a round later than they predict(and I am talking about one in particular on ESPN), and then the next year, you always see why that player fell as late as he did.

TC81190
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Extremely odd decision to go with Jeff Rowe over Troy Smith or even Jordan Palmer.

CTA513
04-29-2007, 02:16 PM
UC had 2 players selected today.

John Bowie in the 4th round by the Raiders
Brent Celek in the 5th round by the Eagles

WVRed
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Extremely odd decision to go with Jeff Rowe over Troy Smith or even Jordan Palmer.

Jordan Palmer, possibly, but I think dsmith put it best above. If we were going to convert Troy Smith, it might make more sense.

CTA513
04-29-2007, 02:40 PM
The Ravens picked Troy Smith with pick #174

Cedric
04-29-2007, 02:59 PM
Troy Smith is anything but a scrambler.

And myself I wanted Alan Branch at 18. Does that mean I can have an opinion on Leon Hall again?

WVRed
04-29-2007, 03:04 PM
Troy Smith is anything but a scrambler.

And myself I wanted Alan Branch at 18. Does that mean I can have an opinion on Leon Hall again?

I think undersized would be a better word. His arm strength and delivery are also suspect, which is probably why he fell this late.

I wanted Branch as well, but the Hall pick didn't disappoint me. The defensive line still needs work, but I think if Odell and Pollack can come back, we will be in a lot better shape than people think.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-29-2007, 03:07 PM
I think learning under Steve McNair will be a good thing for Troy Smith... here's to hoping he gets a shot in a few years

dsmith421
04-29-2007, 03:13 PM
The Bengals' sixth round pick is Mataifale Aigafaimeaso’o Toeaina, defensive end from Oregon.

cincy jacket
04-29-2007, 03:16 PM
The Bengals' sixth round pick is Mataifale Aigafaimeaso’o Toeaina, defensive end from Oregon.

I'm not a big jersey guy, but if the Bengals put his whole name on a jersey I'll be there the first day to buy one.

savafan
04-29-2007, 04:24 PM
The Bengals' sixth round pick is Mataifale Aigafaimeaso’o Toeaina, defensive end from Oregon.

Man, how many different words can you make using the letters from his name? :devil:

CTA513
04-29-2007, 05:02 PM
The Bengals' sixth round pick is Mataifale Aigafaimeaso’o Toeaina, defensive end from Oregon.

ESPN must have listed him wrong, because the Bengals have him listed as a DT and not DE.

Reds Fanatic
04-29-2007, 05:05 PM
Bengals 7th round pick (1st of 2 picks this round):

Dan Santucci G Notre Dame

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11104&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11104


Santucci arrived at Notre Dame in 2002 as a defensive end and did not receive any playing time. In 2003, he appeared in all 12 games, mostly on special teams, but saw action as a backup defensive tackle in one game. Santucci was moved to the offensive line during 2004 spring practice, played in 11 games that season, and started the season finale against Oregon State in the Insight Bowl. Santucci then took over as a starter at guard for 11 of the Fighting Irish's 12 games in 2005. Santucci started all 13 games at left guard as a senior in 2006.
Santucci must continue to add bulk and improve his lower body strength. However, he continues to improve with more game-experience as an offensive lineman and he possesses enough size-potential, power and mobility to eventually contribute in the NFL. Santucci could contribute as a versatile reserve at guard

paintmered
04-29-2007, 05:12 PM
UC had 2 players selected today.

John Bowie in the 4th round by the Raiders
Brent Celek in the 5th round by the Eagles

Bowie is the Big East 100 meter champion and runs a 4.3 40.

guttle11
04-29-2007, 05:18 PM
Not happy about Troy going to a division rival. If he pans out, I have to root against him! Stinks.

Why couldn't Green Bay or St Louis draft him? I would be able to cheer him on every week.

dsmith421
04-29-2007, 06:45 PM
ESPN must have listed him wrong, because the Bengals have him listed as a DT and not DE.

He came up as a DE on ESPN's coverage, after snooping around for information on Oregon's website it appears he has played everywhere on the line.