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15fan
04-17-2007, 05:06 PM
Bill Hall's slam last night got me thinking...

Who would be on the list of players that Reds pitchers should never ever ever pitch to? These guys should just get intentionally walked every time, even if it's a tie game in the late innings and the bases are loaded.

Lance Berkman would be one. Courtesy of espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6279&type=batting3), here are his 2004-2006 numbers against the Reds: 45 for 147, 17 HRs, 36 RBI, .306/.433/.714. The 17 HRs are more than against any other team. He's homered 12 times vs. the Cubs (167 ABs) and 11 times against St. Loo (162 ABs).

Bill Hall also goes on the list. Bill's 2004 - 2006 splits (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6992&type=batting3) against Cincinnati: 54 for 180, 11 HRs, 29 RBI, .300/.382/.589.

What other bats would go on that list?

Chip R
04-17-2007, 05:17 PM
Pujols
Renteria
Vizquel
Aramis Ramirez
Bay
Furcal

VR
04-17-2007, 05:55 PM
Shouse

dabvu2498
04-17-2007, 06:00 PM
Oswalt

Edit: bats! It says bats. Read!

westofyou
04-17-2007, 06:02 PM
Garvey and Cey

Garvey
.312 .349 .494 vs Reds
.294 .329 .446 Career

Cey
.328 .403 .596 Vs Reds
.261 .354 .445 Career

Jr's Boy
04-17-2007, 06:40 PM
I thought this thread was about the shareholders.

Cyclone792
04-17-2007, 06:48 PM
Jeff Bagwell destroyed Reds pitching throughout his career ...

.297/.408/.540 Career
.308/.426/.583 vs. Reds

That's a nice 61 point OPS increase against Reds pitching.

I had an interesting thread regarding Pujols and other players destroying Reds pitching from around a year ago (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45018). It certainly is interesting - and oftentimes disheartening - when any one player just destroys the Reds at a level higher than against the rest of the league.

Chip R
04-17-2007, 07:10 PM
Jeff Bagwell destroyed Reds pitching throughout his career ...




Except for Scott Sullivan. I believe he was 0 for his career against Sully.

Redsland
04-17-2007, 07:54 PM
I thought this thread was about the shareholders.
:laugh:

mole44
04-17-2007, 07:58 PM
Derrick Lee

redsmetz
04-17-2007, 08:09 PM
Oswalt

Edit: bats! It says bats. Read!

Yeah, but Oswalt is in a special category - he drivers us absolutely BATty.

TC81190
04-17-2007, 10:46 PM
I thought this thread was about the shareholders.

Don't feel bad; I did too.

Edmonds.

OldRightHander
04-17-2007, 11:33 PM
Don't feel bad; I did too.

Edmonds.

I was wondering where Grande had been lately.

bucksfan
04-18-2007, 12:12 AM
Lyle Overbay

Boss-Hog
04-18-2007, 12:13 AM
Shane Andrews

WVPacman
04-18-2007, 12:26 AM
It seemed like Will Clark and Kevin Mitchell ALWAYS destroyed us!!

RedsManRick
04-18-2007, 12:32 AM
Bob Castellini
Carl Lindner
Marge Schott

Errr....

jmac
04-18-2007, 12:47 AM
Jack Clark when he was with the giants. He tore it up at riverfront.

LoganBuck
04-18-2007, 08:54 AM
Kirk Ruetter used to drive me nuts. He would have a losing record and throw slop up there all game long and the Reds would just swing right through.

redsfan4445
04-18-2007, 09:08 AM
Polanco... on the Tigers.. when he was with the cards and phillies he ALWAYS did a Hall imitation

oneupper
04-18-2007, 09:09 AM
Randy Jones and John Candelaria.
(I would love to know if there is a place to find stats to back that up!)

Moosie52
04-18-2007, 10:14 AM
A couple of years ago Lance Berkman owned the Reds. What happened to him?

Jaycint
04-18-2007, 10:39 AM
Derrick Lee

Except David Weathers. Stormy is Derrek's daddy. :laugh:

HotCorner
04-18-2007, 10:43 AM
Freddy Sanchez

westofyou
04-18-2007, 10:47 AM
Randy Jones and John Candelaria.
(I would love to know if there is a place to find stats to back that up!)

There is a site... www.retrosheet.org

Candy

3.33 League

12-6 2.96 Reds 179IP


Randy

3.42 League

12-15 3.06 Reds 239 IP

15fan
04-18-2007, 11:46 AM
A couple of years ago Lance Berkman owned the Reds. What happened to him?

Haven't faced him yet in 2007.

In 2006, Lance went 13 for 47 against the Reds. That might not be so bad, except that 6 of the 13 hits were HRs. .277/.424/.681 against the Reds in '06.

Think 2005 was the year he missed the start of the season with...a knee injury?

In 2004, he absolutely bludgeoned Reds pitching. (But hey...who didn't?).

21 for 62, 4 2B, 9 HRs. .339/.488/.839 for a 1.327 OPS against the Reds that year.

LoganBuck
04-18-2007, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the site woy!

Kirk Rueter
11-2 versus Reds in 18 games(17starts)
3.31 ERA
46K in 98 innings

How did he ever do it?

westofyou
04-18-2007, 02:18 PM
Thanks for the site woy!

Kirk Rueter
11-2 versus Reds in 18 games(17starts)
3.31 ERA
46K in 98 innings

How did he ever do it?

He's the modern day Slim Salee, he works fly balls into the gaps and always had a fleet CF chasing em down.

WebScorpion
04-18-2007, 02:39 PM
Brooks Robinson and Paul Blair pretty much owned us in the '70 Series. :(

TeamSelig
04-18-2007, 03:07 PM
<insert random horrible LHP who will shut us out>

KronoRed
04-18-2007, 03:08 PM
<insert random horrible LHP who will shut us out>

Jimmy Anderson

15fan
04-18-2007, 03:24 PM
Cey
.328 .403 .596 Vs Reds
.261 .354 .445 Career

When you think about how many games Ron Cey played against the Reds, the difference in his numbers is mind-numbing. He was a regular in the LA lineup for 10 years, back in the days when the Reds & Dodgers played...18(?) times a year. Add in 4 more years on the north side of Chicago, and that has to be a whole lot of ABs over his career against the Reds. Probably...600-700 or so ABs?

Chip R
04-18-2007, 03:24 PM
Ron Belliard
Kevin Mench hit well against us when he was in TEX and he doesn't seem to be letting up much.
Javy Lopez when he was with the Braves
Andre Dawson

Caveat Emperor
04-18-2007, 03:26 PM
<insert random horrible LHP who will shut us out>

Tommy Phelps

westofyou
04-18-2007, 03:37 PM
When you think about how many games Ron Cey played against the Reds, the difference in his numbers is mind-numbing. He was a regular in the LA lineup for 10 years, back in the days when the Reds & Dodgers played...18(?) times a year. Add in 4 more years on the north side of Chicago, and that has to be a whole lot of ABs over his career against the Reds. Probably...600-700 or so ABs?

203 games / 713 ab's roughly 1/10th of the penguins MLB ab's came against the Reds.

Heath
04-18-2007, 04:10 PM
Alex Madrid. For one day anyway.

Ray Knight after he left.
Dave Martinez before he got traded here.

KittyDuran
04-18-2007, 04:34 PM
Felt that Brett Boone after he left seem to have it in for the Reds. Lance Berkman seemed to really be the Mayor of Riverfront...:p:

VR
04-18-2007, 06:56 PM
203 games / 713 ab's roughly 1/10th of the penguins MLB ab's came against the Reds.

yikes...so his OPS against the rest of the league was a heck of a lot lower than his .799 career total.

George Foster
04-19-2007, 01:41 AM
Chipper Jones

Dale Murphy

Degenerate39
04-19-2007, 10:47 PM
Our bullpen

HotCorner
04-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Jason Lane and Luke Scott.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Our bullpen

:laugh:

Chip R
04-20-2007, 10:19 AM
The Houston Astros

15fan
05-10-2007, 12:22 PM
Bump.

So far in the first 3 games of the series, Berkman is 4-10 with 3 HRs, 5 Runs Scored, and 5 RBI.

Seriously...why on earth are any of the Reds pitching to this guy?

klw
05-10-2007, 01:16 PM
Any starting pitcher making one of his first 5 MLB starts

klw
05-10-2007, 01:20 PM
The Houston Astros
Well this year but last year the Reds won the season series 10-5

gm
05-10-2007, 08:56 PM
Bump.

So far in the first 3 games of the series, Berkman is 4-10 with 3 HRs, 5 Runs Scored, and 5 RBI.

Seriously...why on earth are any of the Reds pitching to this guy?

See that hole in his ear flap? Aim for it:devil: