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BRM
04-20-2007, 03:43 PM
Lineups courtesy of C. Trent.

Reds:
Ryan Freel CF
Adam Dunn LF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Josh Hamilton RF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Alex Gonzalez SS
David Ross C
Kyle Lohse P

Phillies:
Jimmy Rollins SS
Shane Victorino RF
Chase Utley 2B
Pat Burrell LF
Wes Helms 1B
Aaron Rowand CF
Abraham Nunez 3B
Carlos Ruiz C
Jon Lieber P

LincolnparkRed
04-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Hopefully the bullpen will not come into play either way tonight. I don't think redszone can handle another meltdown.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 04:00 PM
Bullpen - don't blow it.

Hamilton - Do what you do.



That could make for a good night. :)

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 04:03 PM
I fear Lieber.

Wheelhouse
04-20-2007, 04:03 PM
Hopefully the bullpen will not come into play either way tonight. I don't think redszone can handle another meltdown.

My personal meltdown or the bullpen's?

WMR
04-20-2007, 04:04 PM
KGJ still sick?

curedsfan
04-20-2007, 04:04 PM
Lieber vs Reds in 2006 -

GS 2, IP 15.2, WHIP 0.57, ERA 1.15, W 2 L 0

Hopefully we can do better than last year.....

BuckWoody
04-20-2007, 04:04 PM
No Junior again tonight...he must really have a boo-boo tummy.

Doesn't Lieber usually do well against the Reds?

edit -- Yeah, I guess so...at least last year he did.

EddieMilner
04-20-2007, 04:05 PM
who is the better CF option, Freel or Hamilton?

WMR
04-20-2007, 04:07 PM
who is the better CF option, Freel or Hamilton?

I think Hamilton would be better in CF than Freel, but he might even be MORE valuable in RF due to the strength of his arm in comparison with Freel's skill-set.

OesterPoster
04-20-2007, 04:08 PM
who is the better CF option, Freel or Hamilton?

There's one less wall for Freel to crash into in center...

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 04:08 PM
No Junior again tonight...he must really have a boo-boo tummy.

Doesn't Lieber usually do well against the Reds?

edit -- Yeah, I guess so...at least last year he did.


Does it say something that I didn't even notice if Junior was in or out of the lineup?

BuckWoody
04-20-2007, 04:10 PM
Does it say something that I didn't even notice if Junior was in or out of the lineup?
According to BRM's lineup post, Junior is not in the lineup. Is that what you're asking?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 04:11 PM
I didn't even notice.....

Joseph
04-20-2007, 04:12 PM
I think Hamilton would be better in CF than Freel, but he might even be MORE valuable in RF due to the strength of his arm in comparison with Freel's skill-set.

Not picking on you at all WMR, but why is it that the RF is supposed to have the big arm and not the CFer? Wouldn't the CFer have more chances to throw someone out somewhere than a RFer and therefore wouldn't you want the best arm in CF?

WMR
04-20-2007, 04:18 PM
Not picking on you at all WMR, but why is it that the RF is supposed to have the big arm and not the CFer? Wouldn't the CFer have more chances to throw someone out somewhere than a RFer and therefore wouldn't you want the best arm in CF?

I think the argument for having your RFer having the strongest arm is the throw from RF to 3rd.

WMR
04-20-2007, 04:20 PM
Oh GREAT... BRM created the line-up thread?!?!

Talk about the ULTIMATE JINX.

Why bother even playing the game? ;)

BRM
04-20-2007, 04:25 PM
Oh GREAT... BRM created the line-up thread?!?!

Talk about the ULTIMATE JINX.

Why bother even playing the game? ;)

You know, you're stalking ways are starting to scare me. :scared:


:p:

WMR
04-20-2007, 04:32 PM
hahahahahah oh yeah look who's stalking... errr talking!! :laugh: :lol:

Spring~Fields
04-20-2007, 04:36 PM
Hopefully the bullpen will not come into play either way tonight. I don't think redszone can handle another meltdown.

Please no, not tonight, I did everything I could to hold back my keyboard last night from a Freddy on Elm St outburst. I don't know if I could hold it back tonight.

Dom Heffner
04-20-2007, 04:57 PM
Not picking on you at all WMR, but why is it that the RF is supposed to have the big arm and not the CFer? Wouldn't the CFer have more chances to throw someone out somewhere than a RFer and therefore wouldn't you want the best arm in CF?


The amount of times this comes into play during the season makes this a non-issue for me.

Joseph
04-20-2007, 05:00 PM
The amount of times this comes into play during the season makes this a non-issue for me.

In what way do you mean that? In that it doesn't matter where the best arm is at all, or in that the CFer only has a few more chances than the RFer? Or other? lol

flyer85
04-20-2007, 05:01 PM
Lieber had a no hitter either into the 7th or 8th last year at GABP.

Heath
04-20-2007, 05:13 PM
Lieber had a no hitter either into the 7th or 8th last year at GABP.

:thisyear:

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 05:15 PM
Final score prediction: Reds 9, Phils 1

Lohse money yet again, bullpen given no chance to blow it.
Hamilton leaves the yard yet again
EdE 3-4

CTA513
04-20-2007, 05:15 PM
Reds vs. Lieber
1. Ryan Freel: (.250 AVG) 1 for 4 with 1 K
2. Adam Dunn: (.423 AVG) 11 for 26 with 3 Doubles, 4 Homeruns, 11 RBIs and 6 Ks
3. Brandon Phillips: (.000 AVG) 0 for 6
4. Josh Hamilton: 0 ABs
5. Edwin Encarnacion: (.333 AVG) 2 for 6 with 2 Homeruns, 3 RBIs and 1 K
6. Scott Hatteberg: (.333 AVG) 5 for 15 with 1 Homerun, 2 RBIs and 2 Ks
7. Alex Gonzalez: (.276 AVG) 8 for 29 with 1 Double, 1 Homerun, 1 RBI and 7 Ks
8. David Ross: 0 ABs
9. Kyle Lohse: (.000 AVG) 0 for 3 with 3 Ks


Phillies vs. Lohse
1. Jimmy Rollins: (.167 AVG) 1 for 6 with 1 K
2. Shane Victorino: 0 ABS
3. Chase Utley: (.333 AVG) 1 for 3 with 1 K
4. Pat Burrell: (.167 AVG) 1 for 6 with 1 RBI and 3 Ks
5. Wes Helms: (.364 AVG) 4 for 11 with 2 Homeruns, 5 RBIs and 2 Ks
6. Aaron Rowand: (.277 AVG) 13 for 47 with 3 Doubles, 3 Homeruns, 8 RBIs, 1 BB and 4 Ks
7. Abraham Nunez: 0 ABs
8. Carlos Ruiz: 0 ABs
9. Jon Lieber: (.000 AVG) 0 for 2 with 1 K

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 05:16 PM
Hamilton leaves the yard yet again



I hope so. I can't get enough of that "high" I get when I see him absolutely beat every odd known to man.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2007, 05:26 PM
I'll say Phils win 6-2.

texasdave
04-20-2007, 05:29 PM
I wonder if the fact that Lieber has pitched so little since the start of the season will make him rusty at all?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 05:30 PM
I wonder if the fact that Lieber has pitched so little since the start of the season will make him rusty at all?

Sometimes the Reds are a good team to face to shake off that rust.....it seems that way anyway.

CTA513
04-20-2007, 05:31 PM
Sometimes the Reds are a good team to face to shake off that rust.....it seems that way anyway.

Ryan Howard is ready to shake off the rust.

Joseph
04-20-2007, 05:31 PM
Ryan Howard is ready to shake off the rust.

He's hurting though, thankfully for us.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 05:33 PM
Ryan Howard is ready to shake off the rust.

He may have to wait another day...

SirFelixCat
04-20-2007, 05:34 PM
Reds win 7-4. Hamilton, Dunn and EdE carry the team. Lohse gives up 3 over 6IP and the offense carries it today!

Doc. Scott
04-20-2007, 06:00 PM
Even without Howard, the Phils can hit- Utley, Burrell, Rollins, Rowand. Their catchers, Ruiz and Barajas, both have power, Helms kills lefties at least, and even Shane Victorino is no terrible slouch. With Howard out, Helms moves to 1B and banjo-man Abraham Nunez is in the lineup. That's just one zero out of eight, whereas the Astros routinely run two out there in Everett and Ausmus.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 06:04 PM
I'm glad Howard isn't playing

Doc. Scott
04-20-2007, 06:06 PM
I'm glad Howard isn't playing

Especially since he's got a strong chance of returning tomorrow, just in time for a certain left-handed non-phenom.

CTA513
04-20-2007, 06:08 PM
He's hurting though, thankfully for us.

Whats wrong with him?

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 06:09 PM
Hamilton is now in all of my fantasy baseball teams.

VR
04-20-2007, 06:11 PM
Whats wrong with him?

pulled up with a tweaked hammy running to first last night.


Lieber gets lit up tonight, Lohse solid start. No Howard spells doom for the Phils.

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 06:27 PM
What's wrong with Junior?

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 06:28 PM
What's wrong with Junior?

I guess he's still sick.

GAC
04-20-2007, 06:43 PM
Lieber has struggled mightily this year.... 0-0 11.57 ERA. Lets hope that continues.

The first two weeks of the season this bullpen was the best in baseball. Last week, the worst. They probably fall somewhere in the middle. What has hurt other teams in the division, such as the Astros, Cards, and Cubs, has been their bullpen. Bullpens go through stretches like this. I'm not going to over react just yet.

As for Jr.... both Hamilton and Hatte had a stomach virus that laid them up for over a week and kept them out of the lineup. That can't happen to Jr? He's out and he's being coddled or it's possibly an ego thing? C'mon. Some never seem to give up.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Lieber has struggled mightily this year.... 0-0 11.57 ERA. Lets hope that continues.

The first two weeks of the season this bullpen was the best in baseball. Last week, the worst. They probably fall somewhere in the middle. What has hurt other teams in the division, such as the Astros, Cards, and Cubs, has been their bullpen. Bullpens go through stretches like this. I'm not going to over react just yet.

As for Jr.... both Hamilton and Hatte had a stomach virus that laid them up for over a week and kept them out of the lineup. That can't happen to Jr? He's out and he's being coddled or it's possibly an ego thing? C'mon. Some never seem to give up.

As long as Hobbs is in, that's really all that I (or probably at this point, any of us) really care about :)

GAC
04-20-2007, 06:50 PM
Ryan Howard out with ligament damage in one of his legs

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 06:56 PM
Cards beat the Cubs 2-1 today

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Bad Boy on the TV!

TeamEncarnacion
04-20-2007, 06:57 PM
i8 hope edwin does good tnoight

GAC
04-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Phillies BP has been there main sore spot all year.

GAC
04-20-2007, 06:59 PM
Chat is open :beerme:

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:00 PM
Anyone seen the Arroyo bobblehead commercial with all the various Reds wearing blonde wigs and pretending to be Bronson? Including Narron. Hilarious! :lol:

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:00 PM
Anybody got any free radio streams for the game tonight?

TeamCasey
04-20-2007, 07:03 PM
Jr has the flu.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:07 PM
I wonder if Charlie Manuel will challenge any reporters to a fight tonight?

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:08 PM
Anybody got any free radio streams for the game tonight?


www.thegamelive.com

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:09 PM
I wonder if Charlie Manuel will challenge any reporters to a fight tonight?

That particular talkshow host has been really riding Manuel for over a year. He's lucky Charlie didn't deck him.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:10 PM
Jimmy Rollins leads the NL with 6 homers.


Josh has 5.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:11 PM
Jimmy flys out to Freel

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:11 PM
www.thegamelive.com

WOW! Awesome web site. Thanks GAC. :)

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Ground out to Hatte

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:12 PM
What's the best website for watching a pitch by pitch gamecast?

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Utley strikes out swinging 3 outs

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Good start!

RedsMan3203
04-20-2007, 07:14 PM
Chat is open :beerme:

:beerme:


Its better then the game threads.... :devil:

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:14 PM
It makes me scratch my head how Loshe doesn't pitch well all the time.

Please tell me he is figuring it out.

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:14 PM
What's the best website for watching a pitch by pitch gamecast?


I go with either ESPN Game cast or CBS Sportsline

Topcat
04-20-2007, 07:15 PM
Nice healthy first by Lohse and I loved the way he was aggressive.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:15 PM
Dunn's going yard today

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:16 PM
Freel flys out to center

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:16 PM
Dunn lines out to Utley 2 outs

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:18 PM
BP strikes out

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:18 PM
I guess we have to wait....

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:21 PM
Single to 3rd

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:24 PM
Another strikeout for Lohse

flyer85
04-20-2007, 07:25 PM
With that improved changeup Lohse really has some good stuff

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:25 PM
Marty getting on Jeff about calling the Reds "our" and "we"

:laugh:

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:26 PM
This ump has a small strike zone

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Wow. That was strike three on Nunez.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:27 PM
Edwin almost screwed up there but he gets the runner at 1st anyway 3 outs

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Gather around your radio and TV, all...

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Good job by EE getting in front of the ball and staying with it.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:29 PM
Hamilton grounds out to Utley

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 07:29 PM
Hamilton out on the first pitch. This team swings at way too many first pitches. The Philles bullpen sucks, so why not make Leiber work? And now EdE gets ahead 2-0 and then tries to pull an away fastball.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:29 PM
Stupid commercials...didn't even get Hamilton's at bat on the air

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:30 PM
Don't like first pitch swinging.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:30 PM
Edwin grounds out to 3rd

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm starting to worry about EE. Bad 2-0 swing.

edabbs44
04-20-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm starting to worry about EE. Bad 2-0 swing.

Starting?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm starting to worry about EE. Bad 2-0 swing.

Mark Shelton will have an article about him tomorrow...

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:33 PM
Mark Shelton will have an article about him tomorrow...
What about him?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:33 PM
What about him?

His struggles.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:33 PM
Hatte grounds out to 2nd

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:33 PM
His struggles.
What about his struggles?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:35 PM
What about his struggles?

I don't know....it'll be out tomorrow.

I guess he talked to him

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:36 PM
So what that he has struggled early on in the season. it's not like its a first for a professional ballplayer. It's 16 games. If he has the ability/talent to begin with, then he'll be fine. All ballplayers slump. He'll come out of it IMO as long as he can handle the mental aspect of a slump, and not let it drag him down.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:36 PM
There's a few oddballs in the crowd tonight...

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:37 PM
Pop up to BP 1 out

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 07:38 PM
I don't know....it'll be out tomorrow.

I guess he talked to him
What about talking to him?

Ok, that one was for fun. :p:

I'm done know.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:38 PM
3 strikeouts for Lohse after that AB

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Brantley: Why would you like it for Jimmy Rollins to "bring it everyday" if you're the opposing manager? That's dumb.

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:40 PM
Wow... Brantley is painful to listen to on PBP

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:40 PM
First time I've heard him

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Rollins singles to right

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Wow... Brantley is painful to listen to on PBP

He's getting better. You have to remember, he's never had to do PBP before.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:43 PM
Fly out to Freel. 3 outs

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 07:46 PM
WOOOWHOOOO GOO REDS!!

Hello Everyone, Great night for Baseball

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:46 PM
Gonzo with a double

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:47 PM
This would be a good time for Ross to break out of his funk

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Gonzo with a double
Atleast we don't have to worry about a no-hitter.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Ross strikes out

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Ross looks perplexed

GAC
04-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Chat is open

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Ross swings at two balls and then K's swinging on a pitch on the corner. Man he is terrible.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:48 PM
Lohse flys out to right

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 07:50 PM
I blame Ross' skid on his offseason newborn. Way to screw up your daddy's game by having to be born. :thumbdown




;)

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:51 PM
Wasted that double

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 07:51 PM
Ross swings at two balls and then K's swinging on a pitch on the corner. Man he is terrible.


LOL total oppisite of 1 year ago ;( , I dunno whats up with Ross but he needs to figure it out.. we need the 06 Ross :(

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:51 PM
Freel grounds out 3 outs

WMR
04-20-2007, 07:53 PM
He's getting better. You have to remember, he's never had to do PBP before.

Matt, honestly I think it's more the cadence and tone of his voice than anything else... things that probably won't change that much. He's just so much better suited to commentary it isn't even funny.

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 07:53 PM
Wait I know what Ross needs!! He needs to come in off the Bench for about a week so he can find that Pinch Hitting Magic he had last season and get his confidence back up :)

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 07:54 PM
Wasted that double
Not really much of a suprise though, was it?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:54 PM
That is one wicked change-up

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:55 PM
Not really much of a suprise though, was it?

Par for the course more often than not.

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 07:55 PM
Not really much of a suprise though, was it?

Wasnt to me, not with the 8,9 due up...

however, he's right, if you cant drive one on the Ground to the 1B side.. to move that runner to 3B with 1 out.. you should lay down a bunt. I mean even the SP Loshe hit it the right direction and made contact lol

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 07:56 PM
Bailey: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:56 PM
Burrell walks

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 07:57 PM
Helms singles to left

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:57 PM
Could use a pitchers best friend now...

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 07:58 PM
Bailey: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

How's his stats on the season down there?? Havent Really had the time to keep up with Bailey.. ERA? W-L? Overall is he doing what they expect?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Bailey: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

The temptation begins... :D

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:00 PM
This ump is bugging me...that was strike 3

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:00 PM
Wow. Where in the hell was that 1-2 pitch to Rowand?

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:01 PM
Phew..... burrell didnt go lol

Lets Go Loshe

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:01 PM
Great doubleplay!

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:01 PM
Damn that was a nice play by BP!

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:02 PM
Wow! What a play!

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:02 PM
Wooowhooooooooo!!!!!!

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:02 PM
WOW what a play by Phillips!!!!!!!!

WOW
WOW
WOW

cincy09
04-20-2007, 08:03 PM
Now we need to put some runs on the scoreboard!

Topcat
04-20-2007, 08:03 PM
way to pick Lohse up guys. Great pitch to. Ps. the umps a squeezin zone idiot.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:04 PM
Dunn, Phillips, Hamilton due up.

Potential for runs.

MrCinatit
04-20-2007, 08:05 PM
A trend I have been noticing - and perhaps it is just me.
It seems that in situations where the other team is threatening, our pitchers will get ahead of the next batter. But then that next batter will hang in there, keep battling, keep fouling off pitches until getting the right ball to hit. Seems like it happened a lot against Houston, where their hitters were waiting for the right pitches - and usually getting one. Some of the opposing ABs have seemed epic.
And, usually it seems our guys obligue by eventually grooving a pitch.
Meanwhile, our guys just seem to be getting those types of at bats against the other teams...we go down way too quickly.




oh, and a highlight reel play by Phillips. Wow.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:05 PM
Dunn's in one of those really frustrating funks

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:05 PM
Dunn K's swinging on a bad pitch. How many times have we said that lately?

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:05 PM
Dunn strikes out

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:06 PM
Absolutely shocking. Dunn k's.

CTA513
04-20-2007, 08:06 PM
Someone tell Dunn he doesnt need to switch bats every at bat.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Someone tell the Reds offense that Jon Lieber isn't very good now.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Lieber fears Josh ;)

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:07 PM
He wanted nothing to do with him

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Hamilton walks

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:08 PM
that was the phillies treating Josh like Bonds to get to EE...

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:08 PM
Edwin flys out to left

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:08 PM
Encarnacion may never get a hit again

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:08 PM
Four pitch walk to Hamilton and then EdE follows by swinging at the first pitch (borderline) and flying out to Burrell.

forfreelin04
04-20-2007, 08:08 PM
With EdE hitting behind him, he's just being smart

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:09 PM
oy vey

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:09 PM
that was the phillies treating Josh like Bonds to get to EE...

I wish there was somebody who could more fear into a pitcher behind Josh...EE can be that guy, but right now he's just the opposite

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:09 PM
Four pitch walk to Hamilton and then EdE follows by swinging at the first pitch (borderline) and flying out to Burrell.

That's about as criminal of an AB as you can have as a big leaguer.

Especially if you plan on remaining a big leaguer.

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:10 PM
It remains my opinion that EE needs some AAA time. ASAP. He's lost.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:10 PM
A trend I have been noticing - and perhaps it is just me.
It seems that in situations where the other team is threatening, our pitchers will get ahead of the next batter. But then that next batter will hang in there, keep battling, keep fouling off pitches until getting the right ball to hit. Seems like it happened a lot against Houston, where their hitters were waiting for the right pitches - and usually getting one. Some of the opposing ABs have seemed epic.
And, usually it seems our guys obligue by eventually grooving a pitch.
Meanwhile, our guys just seem to be getting those types of at bats against the other teams...we go down way too quickly.




oh, and a highlight reel play by Phillips. Wow.

Exactly....this team does not throw inside...EVER....you get up 0-2...you knock the guy down the next pitch then you throw an outside stike.....AKA
Mario Soto:thumbup:

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
Single to center

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
Exactly....this team does not throw inside...EVER....you get up 0-2...you knock the guy down the next pitch then you throw an outside stike.....AKA
Mario Soto:thumbup:

Homer will.

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
This series could go very badly if we don't win tonight. Hamels vs. Milton is a mismatch of epic proportions and García's 2-0 with a 2.25 ERA in 2 career starts against the Reds.

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
Yea EE and Ross need to fix thier stuff.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:11 PM
Tomorrow is Bring you Glove to the Park night

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:12 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2006/07/25/W4P3xmqP.jpg

stars in this week's all new...

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/tv/lost4.jpg

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:12 PM
That's about as criminal of an AB as you can have as a big leaguer.

Especially if you plan on remaining a big leaguer.

He has only walked 7 all year. That was not control problems...that was pitching around Hamilton to get to EE.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
Grotesque

keeganbrick
04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
:help: US

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
LOL, our defense is comical. This is the 2006 Reds all over again. Hatteberg botched an easy doubleplay. This team stinks in all facets of the game.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
that was a double play ball....welcome to little league!:laugh:

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Well, that was awful.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Marty's all bent out of shape :laugh:

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Why hatte why ??? Why Phillips why?? You had just made a SWEET PLAY.. why why why why why why why why.

Every play doesnt have to be a Highlight Reel play :(

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Hamilton is exhibiting the sort of "CORE SKILLS" that should still remain powerful, virile additions to his game even if/when his bat cools.

Incredibly impressive.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:15 PM
we should be out of this inning...:bang:

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:15 PM
Eric the Red to be on the radio in the 6th!

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:15 PM
Marty's all bent out of shape :laugh:

what did he say?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:15 PM
This inning would be over if Hatteberg could field a routine groundball.

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
Fundamentally this team is still awful...That has to fall to the manager.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
Pop up to Edwin

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
Edwin and Ross should get with E.Davis and get a copy of that DVD.

"hitting from the heart"

lol

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
what did he say?

Ripping the supposed better defense. There's only 2 teams with more errors than the Reds.

"This defense is atrocious"


He's right.

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
He has only walked 7 all year. That was not control problems...that was pitching around Hamilton to get to EE.

Ahh, K thanks. I still think you should take a pitch after an intentional walk.

I remember reading an article a couple years ago about some study conducted where the majority of first pitches after intentional walks were balls... still, your point defuses my main criticism of EE's approach that AB.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:17 PM
Hamilton is exhibiting the sort of "CORE SKILLS" that should still remain powerful, virile additions to his game even if/when his bat cools.

Incredibly impressive.

He is our best outfielder...period.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:17 PM
He is our best outfielder...period.

He might be their best player.

I'm serious.

KronoRed
04-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Marty's all bent out of shape :laugh:

Has been since the 2nd when beat writer guy was late ;)

MrsK wanted to hear the game, only reason I broke my no Reds on radio this year promise :devil:

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Hey cool! 6 years here and I am up to 65 Rep points!

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Has been since the 2nd when beat writer guy was late ;)

He was just giving him crap....laughing about it off the air

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Ahh, K thanks. I still think you should take a pitch after an intentional walk.

I remember reading an article a couple years ago about some study conducted where the majority of first pitches after intentional walks were balls... still, your point defuses my main criticism of EE's approach that AB.

I agree with what you are saying, if the guy has a history of control problems, but "L" has some of the best control in the NL. Why get down 0-1, if the scouting report says he leads off most of the time with a fastball?

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Nice Job by Lohse

GAC
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
This inning would be over if Hatteberg could field a routine groundball.

That ball was not routine. It was blistered and to his inside along the baseline.

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Gameday says its an Earned run
Marty says its unearned.. which it should be lol


Way to take care of it Lohse... thats a good sign, being able to rebound like that after the Defense makes u pitch longer lol

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Great pitching by Lohse!!

:clap:

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Lohse pitching quite good, too bad I can't help but think he'll take the L due to bad defense and a complete lack of offense.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:21 PM
That ball was not routine. It was blistered and to his inside along the baseline.

A play that a major league 1B should make.

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:21 PM
I agree with what you are saying, if the guy has a history of control problems, but "L" has some of the best control in the NL. Why get down 0-1, if the scouting report says he leads off most of the time with a fastball?

Yep, true, if the pitcher you are facing throws a high percentage of first pitch strikes, looking to swing right away is the correct approach.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:21 PM
Hey cool! 6 years here and I am up to 65 Rep points!


you don't have over 400 posts....your doing about average.:D

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:21 PM
Hey cool! 6 years here and I am up to 65 Rep points!

Looks like you just went up 15 points in a matter of seconds

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:22 PM
Gameday says its an Earned run
Marty says its unearned.. which it should be lol


Way to take care of it Lohse... thats a good sign, being able to rebound like that after the Defense makes u pitch longer lol

That run is unearned.

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:22 PM
This offense minus Hamilton is totally in a funk...

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:23 PM
A play that a major league 1B should make.

Especially when you are holding the runner on 1st...it bounced twice.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Reds being 1 hit by Lieber....again.

:help:

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:23 PM
The sweetest, funniest part of the Josh Hamilton saga?

Who we got him from.

The scrubbies.

Hehehe... LOL I hate the scrubbies so much, good thing their roster is so badass they didn't need drek like Hamilton clogging up the pipelines.

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:23 PM
George Foster...I am the type who when he has nothing to say, does just that...I keep my mouth shut!

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Jon Lieber pwns us.

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 08:24 PM
Jon Lieber pwns us.
Jon Lieber laughs at our puny Cincinnati Reds.

GAC
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
A play that a major league 1B should make.

I think you're being a little harsh on Hatte. Last year, at 1B, Hatte didn't commit an error in 100g from 5/6-9/23, a career high and the longest errorless streak by any Major League first baseman since TB's Travis Lee in 2003 (121g).

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
This offense is so bad...it's embarrassing.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
I'd say that the over and under for total runs scored in this series is about 16.

I'd take the under.

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Single or walk here would be big.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Jon Lieber pwns us.

Yep, and he also owns us. ;)

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
David Ross needs to use one of those big fat red whiffle ball bats.....

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
What is the opinion on what could be done to shake up this putrid offense?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
David Ross couldn't have hit that pitch with an ironing board.

KronoRed
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
What is the opinion on what could be done to shake up this putrid offense?

Electro shock.

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
George Foster...I am the type who when he has nothing to say, does just that...I keep my mouth shut!

Discretion is the better part of wit.

keeganbrick
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
Ross is off da chain.

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:27 PM
David Ross is hitting worse then EE, and that's saying something.

I mean really. It's saying ALOT.

flyer85
04-20-2007, 08:27 PM
This offense is so bad...it's embarrassing.they do have a hit

TheBigLebowski
04-20-2007, 08:27 PM
K..that's enough for me. Not going to let the Reds ruin my Friday night the same way they did Wed and Thurs.

Those who choose to torture themselves...enjoy.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:27 PM
K..that's enough for me. Not going to let the Reds ruin my Friday night the same way they did Wed and Thurs.

Those who choose to torture themselves...enjoy.


We live for this

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 08:28 PM
What is the opinion on what could be done to shake up this putrid offense?
I'm thinking a lineup of something like this:

Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Pitcher

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:28 PM
Eric the Red!

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:28 PM
I'm thinking a lineup of something like this:

Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Pitcher

Hamilton can pitch. Could have been scouted at a pitcher....topped out at 97.

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:28 PM
Electro shock.

http://english.pravda.ru/img/2005/11/electric_chair.jpg

alloverjr
04-20-2007, 08:28 PM
I'm thinking a lineup of something like this:

Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Pitcher

Can't he pitch? Deno would have.

SanDiegoRed
04-20-2007, 08:29 PM
The last two nights were very painful...Tonight is shaping up the same way...

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:29 PM
I seriously think Norris Hopper needs a start. He's going to put the ball in play and he is fast.

Good things happen when you are fast and put the ball in play.

Tom Servo
04-20-2007, 08:30 PM
Hamilton can pitch.
I thought about it, but I figured Arroyo, Harang, Lohse, and Belisle would all have a few wins each with that lineup. Milty would probably still be 0-2 though.

WMR
04-20-2007, 08:30 PM
I seriously think Norris Hopper needs a start. He's going to put the ball in play and he is fast.

Good things happen when you are fast and put the ball in play.

Juan Pierre says hi.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:30 PM
How ironic would it be if Lohse were to lose this game 1-0 after that Chicago game on Sunday...baseball is harsh.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:31 PM
I thought about it, but I figured Arroyo, Harang, Lohse, and Belisle would all have a few wins each with that lineup. Milty would probably still be 0-2 though.

Put Hamilton as the number 5 pitcher

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:31 PM
Juan Pierre says hi.
I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but if it was

A. Pierre had some good years before sliding off the last few
B. I'm not saying play him everyday all year, but just give him a start or two.


Clearly this ain't working.

Stingray
04-20-2007, 08:31 PM
I'm thinking a lineup of something like this:

Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Hamilton
Pitcher



Wrong - hamilton should also pitch

Eric_Davis
04-20-2007, 08:32 PM
We're going to have to win this with our bullpen.

Let's go guys. Step it up.

Need to win the first game of this series.

GAC
04-20-2007, 08:33 PM
We're going to have to win this with our bullpen.

:bowrofl:

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:34 PM
http://www.ustravelphotos.com/Kentucky/thumbs/KY3Big_Bat_small.jpg

David Ross's new bat

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2007, 08:34 PM
FWIW, I agree with the move to leave Lohse in for the 7th. Too bad Arroyo wasn't kept in last night for the 8th.

Degenerate39
04-20-2007, 08:35 PM
I'm not even paying attention to the game now. I'm just watching for Hamilton

TeamCasey
04-20-2007, 08:36 PM
The last two nights were very painful...Tonight is shaping up the same way...

Hi San Diego! Yeah, I think you're one of the folks who's been around awhile, doesn't post a ton and sort of fell threw the cracks. Nice to see you.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:36 PM
A runner in scoring position!

Pinch me.

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:36 PM
We needed that.

GridironGrace
04-20-2007, 08:37 PM
In business.....lets get him Home!!!!!

Eric_Davis
04-20-2007, 08:37 PM
http://www.ustravelphotos.com/Kentucky/thumbs/KY3Big_Bat_small.jpg

David Ross's new bat

He ought to start taking an hour of batting practice every day using the Hank Aaron method of learning.....using a broom stick to try to hit pop-bottle caps that are being tossed with curves and breaks. In the end, it will make his bat look that big.

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:37 PM
I said on Tuesday night, I thought we were catching the Phillies at a bad time. I'd rather catch a team that has won 8 out of 9 than losing 8-9...law of averages....

Matt700wlw
04-20-2007, 08:38 PM
Mark Mallory on the mound for the Phillies

George Foster
04-20-2007, 08:38 PM
now Dunn's total approach should change.....just hit the ball in play!

Puig Your Red
04-20-2007, 08:39 PM
hahahaahahah