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savafan
04-22-2007, 07:10 AM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070422/COL09/704220425/1082/SPT0101

BY JOHN FAY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Quick, name the former Reds general manager who had the biggest effect on the current club as far as trades.

It's not Jim Bowden. Ken Griffey Jr. is the only player on the roster that he traded for.

It's not Dan O'Brien. He didn't trade for one player on the current roster.

It's Brad Kullman. Kullman was in charge of the Reds only briefly - in the interim between Bowden's firing and O'Brien's hiring, and between the time O'Brien was fired and Wayne Krivsky hired. Kullman was fired himself shortly after Krivsky took over.

But Kullman went along way toward shaping the current club by making a series of trades around the deadline in 2003.

He acquired two-fifths of the current rotation in Aaron Harang and Matt Belisle, as well as two lefties, Phil Dumatrait and Tyler Pelland, who could eventually make it to the big leagues.

"I'm especially proud of getting Matt," he said. "I've always pulled for him to be a starter. In 2005, his velocity was up, so they wanted him as an arm for the bullpen. But I always thought he was best suited for starting."

The Reds got Belisle for Kent Mercker. Of all the trades made in 2003, it came the closest to not happening.

"The Braves didn't want to give up Belisle," Kullman said. "We weren't able to get it done at the trade deadline."

But Mercker passed through waivers, and the Braves relented and offered Belisle in early August.

"(Then CEO) John Allen didn't want to do it," Kullman said. "We were getting hammered for all the the trades. I told John that Mercker was going to be a free agent. We could sign him back. He finally let us make the trade."

Kullman admits he wasn't certain Harang would turn into what he is now - a top-of-the-rotation guy. The Reds got Harang, Joe Valentine and Jeff Bruksch from Oakland for Jose Guillen.

"We knew we were getting a big workhorse type," Kullman said. "We wanted him to work on his conditioning. He's done that."

Dumatrait and Pelland came from Boston for Scott Williamson. Williamson was still a year from free agency, but the Reds were concerned enough about his arm to make the deal anyway.

Not all the deals Kullman made during what was known as the Fire Sale of '03 worked out.

The Reds were hoping to get a No. 1 starter when they sent Aaron Boone to the New York Yankees for Brandon Claussen. Claussen had one decent year before hurting his shoulder. The club ultimately released him.

Kullman still lives in Cincinnati. He is working as a consultant for Jon Niednagel of Brain Type Institute, doing motor skills studies. Niednagel is well-known in sports. He consulted for the Reds under Bowden.

Kullman watches the Reds with interest - particularly the guys he got.

"I'm very happy for them," he said.

cincinnati chili
04-22-2007, 11:24 AM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070422/COL09/704220425/1082/SPT0101

"(Then CEO) John Allen didn't want to do it," Kullman said. "We were getting hammered for all the the trades. I told John that Mercker was going to be a free agent. We could sign him back. He finally let us make the trade."

Assuming he aspires to work in baseball again, this is not something he should be telling a reporter. Even if it's true, which I don't doubt it is.

Cooper
04-22-2007, 11:26 AM
I liked Kullman. I was just glad someone in the organization had a sabermetric background. Granted he annoyed a goodly number of folks here, but he made more good trades in 3 days than the last 2 GM's did in 4 years. And he made them under the gun with no real leverage.

It was quite apparent he had some difficulty in dealing with people- i thought a good organization could of used him in some capacity. When a new administration comes in Conventional Wisdom says you have to get rid of the old. That's beyond old school in my eyes, but baseball organizations tend to run about 30 or 40 years behind the times. It's right up there with loyalty oaths and everyone is fired until they sign on with the new admin. (eye roll).

TOBTTReds
04-22-2007, 11:32 AM
I didn't know anyone that really liked him. Basically sounded like he was never a baseball guy, even a numbers guy. Somehow walked into a job when things kept opening up and he was the one sitting there waiting to take the job.

Cooper
04-22-2007, 11:59 AM
I heard the guy talk on about 10 different occasions- it wasn't like he was Bobby Knight. He was probably a little grandiose. My guess is he never fit in the organization --that's a compliment. I think Bowden hired him and probably protected him (he needed a sabermetric viewpoint -keep in mind that Bowden had 100 advisors). When Bowden leaves Kullman is not protected anymore so everyone he's ever crossed takes a swing.

A healthy organization would have been able to see his strengths and use them as they see fit. Whereas the Reds (at that time) were so dysfunctional
it was everyman for himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost power because he wasn't "nice". People have been fired for less. Well, heck i remember a time when we had a racist owner fire a manager for morality reasons. Sometimes things don't add up.

Yachtzee
04-22-2007, 04:39 PM
I heard the guy talk on about 10 different occasions- it wasn't like he was Bobby Knight. He was probably a little grandiose. My guess is he never fit in the organization --that's a compliment. I think Bowden hired him and probably protected him (he needed a sabermetric viewpoint -keep in mind that Bowden had 100 advisors). When Bowden leaves Kullman is not protected anymore so everyone he's ever crossed takes a swing.

A healthy organization would have been able to see his strengths and use them as they see fit. Whereas the Reds (at that time) were so dysfunctional
it was everyman for himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost power because he wasn't "nice". People have been fired for less. Well, heck i remember a time when we had a racist owner fire a manager for morality reasons. Sometimes things don't add up.

That's probably a fair assessment. It seemed like he sounded like he had a good head on his shoulders. Well, except the whole "Brain Type" stuff, which seems like junk science. However, I've never dealt with him personally, and I think Team Clark said he wasn't the most modest guy in the room and wasn't exactly well liked. Of course it seems like that was the culture under Bowden.

TRF
04-22-2007, 07:22 PM
sigh.fay might want to do some research. Bowden traded for EE.

Eric_Davis
04-22-2007, 07:36 PM
sigh.fay might want to do some research. Bowden traded for EE.


Good point. You can't write an aritcle like that and miss something that major. Wonder what else his lack of proper research left out?

cincinnati chili
04-22-2007, 09:24 PM
sigh.fay might want to do some research. Bowden traded for EE.

Where in the article does it say Kullman acquired EE?

Edit: Oh, I see your point. That Griffey is the only one he traded for.

Team Clark
04-23-2007, 01:55 AM
I thought for sure that Bowden would hire Kullman. Good thing I didn't bet my house on it.

REDREAD
04-23-2007, 12:13 PM
Assuming he aspires to work in baseball again, this is not something he should be telling a reporter. Even if it's true, which I don't doubt it is.

Seems like a little bit of revisionist history to make himself look good.

Allen clearly wanted everyone making any money gone in 2003. Allen didn't give a rip about alienating the fans. Allen wanted the fire sale.

Also, didn't Maddox have a lot of input into those firesale trades as well.

Sure, Harang was a good score, but Guillen was a solid middle of the order bat. Harang deserves credit for making himself into an ace pitcher.. At the time, he was only projected to be a #5 pitcher.

As far as Belisle goes, I wish him the best, but I'm still skeptical. He might finally be able to contribute now, but he's still a question mark.

Kullman failed to mention how bad some of those 2003 trades came out.. He shouldn't be patting himself on the back so much.

TRF
04-23-2007, 01:21 PM
Kullman failed to mention how bad some of those 2003 trades came out.. He shouldn't be patting himself on the back so much.

And do you list your failures on your resume?

REDREAD
04-23-2007, 02:53 PM
And do you list your failures on your resume?

My point is that Kullman and Maddox made many trades. Fay said "Quick, name the former Reds general manager who had the biggest effect on the current club as far as trades." And said it was Kulman.

Let's see, there's 2 players that Kulman acquired on the roster.

There was another group of players besides Boone that Kulman traded and has nothing to show for them.

Even though Kulman/Maddox got Harang, they were a dismal failure as GMs.
I want more than Harang when the team trades the following:

The best 3b on the market
The best RF on the market
Its entire bullpen, which was very good
Its second string catcher :laugh:

TRF
04-23-2007, 03:52 PM
Dumatrait and Pelland have a chance at being better than Williamson. A chance, not a sure thing, but a chance.

Claussen was a bitter disappointment, but in theory, that was a good trade.

Merker for Belisle was not just a good trade, it was free as Merker ended back in Cincinnati.

I doubt Guillen had more trade value than what was received, as he is on his third team since that trade. Nobody can stomach the guy.

Considering the circumstances, I'd say the tandem did pretty well.

deltachi8
04-23-2007, 04:12 PM
I liked each of those trades made by the Maddox/Kullman tandem in 2003 at the time they were made. Claussen didn't work, but at the time, he was highly thought of.

Eric_Davis
04-23-2007, 04:12 PM
What does WEHT mean?

Chip R
04-23-2007, 04:15 PM
What does WEHT mean?


What Ever Happened To.

Cooper
04-23-2007, 05:34 PM
I figure i'm the in house apologist for Kullmen (i have no clue why:) There was a little bit of pressure there when they had to make the trades in 2003. I don't remember any bad ones made in those 5-7 days. Lastly, Bowden may have made some, but does that count against Kullman's record? If so, that seems a little odd.

REDREAD
04-23-2007, 06:00 PM
I liked each of those trades made by the Maddox/Kullman tandem in 2003 at the time they were made. Claussen didn't work, but at the time, he was highly thought of.


I didn't like the Claussen trade at all at the time. I was one of the few that didn't like that trade. Boone was worth more than an injured/rehab prospect and Cash.

I did like the Mercker/Belisle trade at the time. I think that was a fair return for a pending FA of Mercker's quality. Even though Belisle had injury issues, that was a fair deal. Belisle has yet to really prove he's a major leaguer though.. Sure, he had a couple of good starts, and I want him to pitch well, but he's still a wild card.

But the other ones (other than Guillen) were real stinkers.

Sullivan for Thug Life (I can't even remember the guy's real name now).
Giving away White and Heredia for nothing.

I still think the Williamson trade stunk to high heaven. I don't think a closer caliber reliever has ever been traded for so little.

It's funny to remember that at the time of the Guillen trade, most people thought Valentine was the crown jewel of that trade. It's a testament to Harang's hard work.

Yachtzee
04-23-2007, 08:58 PM
I figure i'm the in house apologist for Kullmen (i have no clue why:) There was a little bit of pressure there when they had to make the trades in 2003. I don't remember any bad ones made in those 5-7 days. Lastly, Bowden may have made some, but does that count against Kullman's record? If so, that seems a little odd.

I remember Peter Gammons having an on-air conniption about some of those trades.

deltachi8
04-23-2007, 09:05 PM
I didn't like the Claussen trade at all at the time. I was one of the few that didn't like that trade. Boone was worth more than an injured/rehab prospect and Cash.

I did like the Mercker/Belisle trade at the time. I think that was a fair return for a pending FA of Mercker's quality. Even though Belisle had injury issues, that was a fair deal. Belisle has yet to really prove he's a major leaguer though.. Sure, he had a couple of good starts, and I want him to pitch well, but he's still a wild card.

But the other ones (other than Guillen) were real stinkers.

Sullivan for Thug Life (I can't even remember the guy's real name now).
Giving away White and Heredia for nothing.

I still think the Williamson trade stunk to high heaven. I don't think a closer caliber reliever has ever been traded for so little.

It's funny to remember that at the time of the Guillen trade, most people thought Valentine was the crown jewel of that trade. It's a testament to Harang's hard work.

Fair enough...I thought the Williamson trade was the best of the bunch as I had zero doubt that he would end up in on the surgeon's table sooner rather than later.

redsfanmia
04-23-2007, 09:07 PM
I remember Peter Gammons having an on-air conniption about some of those trades.

I remember that as well, it was mainly fueled by the Reds firing his buddy Bowden and the fact that the Reds were just flat out dumping salary and insisting on getting cash in every deal they made.

cincinnati chili
04-23-2007, 10:06 PM
I thought for sure that Bowden would hire Kullman. Good thing I didn't bet my house on it.

Stan Kasten may be calling a lot of the personnel shots there.

REDREAD
04-24-2007, 11:54 AM
Fair enough...I thought the Williamson trade was the best of the bunch as I had zero doubt that he would end up in on the surgeon's table sooner rather than later.


Even so, he was an electric bullpen arm, and the best one available for the stretch run. His value was in the short term boost he could give a contender. Long term injury concerns aren't as important.

Other teams have gotten a much better return for a closer at the deadline.
IIRC, we got two A ball guys. At least the two prospects are still in the system, but it's not as if they project to be anything special. The trade was made, knowing we were getting two A ballers with limited upside. It was a crime, because the Red Sox had some nice arms in their system at the time. Too bad we needed that cash so badly. It would've been nice to get Lester or another guy with a higher ceiling.

WebScorpion
04-24-2007, 11:56 AM
I thought for sure that Bowden would hire Kullman. Good thing I didn't bet my house on it.

...or your first born child! :eek: ;)

princeton
04-24-2007, 12:03 PM
rest of the interview:

"I also invented the internet, and was the first to deepfry a twinkie!"

KronoRed
04-24-2007, 12:54 PM
rest of the interview:

"I also invented the internet, and was the first to deepfry a twinkie!"

Hmm..deep fried twinkies