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Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 05:05 PM
Per Trent:

Same lineup as yesterday, and yes, freel is ok. He'll start in cf tomorrow, jerry said

Hamilton cf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Griffey rf
Encarnacion 3b
Hatteberg 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Arroyo p


Saw this on the cardsclubhouse website, it made me laugh:


I'm giving the garbage puns one more chance...

Arroyo, Arroyo, Arroyo your boat, gently down the L column.

Cardinals Lineup:
Eckstein
Duncan
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Wilson
Kennedy
Molina
Looper

CTA513
04-25-2007, 05:08 PM
Reds vs. Looper (from ESPN)
Hamilton: 0 ABs
Phillips: (.333 AVG) 1 for 3 with 1 RBI
Dunn: (.375 AVG) 3 for 8 with 3 Homeruns, 5 RBIs, 3 BB and 3 Ks
Griffey: (.500 AVG) 3 for 6 with 1 Homerun, 2 RBIs and 1 K
Encarnacion: (.000 AVG) 0 for 1
Hatteberg: (.000 AVG) 0 for 2
Gonzalez: (.111 AVG) 1 for 9 with 1 Double and 2 Ks
Ross: (.250 AVG) 1 for 4 with 1 RBI
Arroyo: 0 ABs

jesusfan
04-25-2007, 05:08 PM
Go with what works I guess... However, I really like Freel in the lead-off spot so it can move Hamilton down where he actually has R.B.I opportunities...

Prediction for tonight: Reds-5 Cardinals-3

Dunn- HR #5

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 05:09 PM
Per Trent:

Same lineup as yesterday, and yes, freel is ok. He'll start in cf tomorrow, jerry said



You talked to Jerry? :)

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 05:11 PM
With Looper and Kielser going the next two nights, we could very easily sweep.

The Cardinals are bad this year.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 05:16 PM
You talked to Jerry? :)

Well I didn't, and there was this little part above what I posted:


Per Trent:

membengal
04-25-2007, 05:20 PM
You talked to Jerry? :)

What does "per Trent" mean to you?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 05:27 PM
What does "per Trent" mean to you?

I was kidding....lighten up.


:D

PuffyPig
04-25-2007, 05:30 PM
Go with what works I guess... However, I really like Freel in the lead-off spot so it can move Hamilton down where he actually has R.B.I opportunities...



Of course, starting Freel and Hamilton sends Griffey to the bench.

Unless Freel goes to third or second, which is a bad idea, you'll only see both in the lineup when Dunn or Griffey are hurt or resting, or sitting vs. a LH pitcher.

ochoa30
04-25-2007, 05:33 PM
Hows this game looking with the weather?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Hows this game looking with the weather?

A bit more promising...

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USMO0787?from=36hour_map

http://www.kmov.com/weather/doppler.html

However, there's still that thret of rain developing in the area...due to temperature and moisture

CTA513
04-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Cardinals Lineup:
Eckstein
Duncan
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Wilson
Kennedy
Molina
Looper

Cardinals vs. Arroyo (from ESPN):
Eckstein: (.389 AVG) 7 for 18 with 2 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks
Duncan: (.500 AVG) 3 for 6 with 1 Double, 1 Homerun, 1 RBI and 2 Ks
Pujols: (.222 AVG) 4 for 18 with 1 Double, 1 Homerun, 4 RBIs and 3 BB
Rolen: (.267 AVG) 4 for 15 with 1 Double, 1 Homerun, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks
Edmonds: (.231 AVG) 3 for 13 with 1 Homerun, 3 RBIs and 3 Ks
Wilson: (.300 AVG) 3 for 10 with 2 Doubles, 2 BB and 1 K
Kennedy: (.000 AVG) 0 for 9 with 4 BB
Molina (.200 AVG) 1 for 5
Looper: 0 ABs

ochoa30
04-25-2007, 05:40 PM
A bit more promising...

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USMO0787?from=36hour_map

http://www.kmov.com/weather/doppler.html

However, there's still that thret of rain developing in the area...due to temperature and moisture

Thanks. Hopefully we wont have to wait to start this time but if the outcome is similar, i dont mind. :D

BRM
04-25-2007, 05:45 PM
With Looper and Kielser going the next two nights, we could very easily sweep.

The Cardinals are bad this year.

Looper has pitched pretty well so far.

PuffyPig
04-25-2007, 05:52 PM
Looper has pitched pretty well so far.

His DIPS ERA is 3.66, so he hasn't pitched nearly as well as it appears from his low ERA.

His K rate is poor and is being saved by having a good HR rate and a very good BABIP.

He's likely to follow the Wainwright route (who was having similiar success, but was very BABIP lucky), and see his numbers rise in the near future. Let's hope that future is tonight.

Having said that, Looper has pitched much better than I would have imagined.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-25-2007, 06:13 PM
We should make Loopy pitch like he did to us a few years back on Opening Day :D

thatcoolguy_22
04-25-2007, 06:17 PM
His DIPS ERA is 3.66, so he hasn't pitched nearly as well as it appears from his low ERA.

His K rate is poor and is being saved by having a good HR rate and a very good BABIP.

He's likely to follow the Wainwright route (who was having similiar success, but was very BABIP lucky), and see his numbers rise in the near future. Let's hope that future is tonight.

Having said that, Looper has pitched much better than I would have imagined.




Just talking BABIP here but someone look at Daniel Cabrera and Eric Bedard's lines.

Cabrera- 1-0 26.1IP 26Ks 7BB

Bedard- 3-2 28IP 31K 11BB


Cabrera has a 4.10 ERA
Bedard 6.11


Can someone take a deeper look at those lines and explain or, point me in the direction where I can find some of the "newer" stats (ie VORPS, BABIP, RC, Win Shares etc etc) and what not.


Thanks a lot

MrCinatit
04-25-2007, 06:18 PM
Per Trent:

Hamilton cf

Griffey cf



Yikes. Let's hope no one hits anything to right tonight. :p:

M2
04-25-2007, 06:19 PM
Wainwright's carrying a .363 BABIP this season. He's been about as unlucky as you get.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Yikes. Let's hope no one hits anything to right tonight. :p:

Well Narron really doesn't want Arroyo to get his first win, or at least he wants him to have to work harder to get it.

jesusfan
04-25-2007, 06:29 PM
Hey The Brewers got beat!!! 2.5 GB

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 06:30 PM
I have a feeling were going to see another homer from Griffey again today

PuffyPig
04-25-2007, 06:42 PM
Wainwright's carrying a .363 BABIP this season. He's been about as unlucky as you get.


True, but his DIPS ERA is the same as his actual of 5.04. So, he should have given up less hits, but they calculate that he should have given up the same number of runs.

In DIPS calculation, there's a number of ways to be lucky or unlucky. BABIP is just one of the ways. Pecentage of runs that actual score per hit/walk aloowed, and % of runs given up (or saved) by the bullpen factors in also. So, while Wainwright has been BABIP unlucky, he's (apparently) been lucky in other areas, so his luck has been neutral.

PuffyPig
04-25-2007, 06:48 PM
Just talking BABIP here but someone look at Daniel Cabrera and Eric Bedard's lines.

Cabrera- 1-0 26.1IP 26Ks 7BB

Bedard- 3-2 28IP 31K 11BB


Cabrera has a 4.10 ERA
Bedard 6.11


Can someone take a deeper look at those lines and explain or, point me in the direction where I can find some of the "newer" stats (ie VORPS, BABIP, RC, Win Shares etc etc) and what not.


Thanks a lot


Bedard has a BABIP of .377, so has been unlucky. He still has a DIPS of 4.49, because he has a high walk and HR rate. But he's better than it looks, and a good bet to get better.

Cabrera has a DIPS of 2.36, with a BABIP of .367. he doesn't have a bad walk or HR rate, so he's a very good bet to get better if he continues to pitch as well as he has.

Good eye on these guys CoolGuy.They are a good bet to pitch well in the near future.

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 07:19 PM
Per C Trent...


# Talking to Josh Hamilton before the game, he said when he moved to right field last night, some fan yelled out, "My name is Josh Hamilton and I'm addicted to drugs." Hamilton said he just looked at the guy, smiled and nodded. "Tell me something I don't know, dude," Hamilton said. He also said as soon as he acknowledged the fan, the kid screamed, "that's awesome! you're my new favorite player!"

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 07:23 PM
Per C Trent...


# Talking to Josh Hamilton before the game, he said when he moved to right field last night, some fan yelled out, "My name is Josh Hamilton and I'm addicted to drugs." Hamilton said he just looked at the guy, smiled and nodded. "Tell me something I don't know, dude," Hamilton said. He also said as soon as he acknowledged the fan, the kid screamed, "that's awesome! you're my new favorite player!"

He gets it.

Good to see

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 07:24 PM
Per C Trent...


# Talking to Josh Hamilton before the game, he said when he moved to right field last night, some fan yelled out, "My name is Josh Hamilton and I'm addicted to drugs." Hamilton said he just looked at the guy, smiled and nodded. "Tell me something I don't know, dude," Hamilton said. He also said as soon as he acknowledged the fan, the kid screamed, "that's awesome! you're my new favorite player!"

:laugh: That's kinda funny.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 07:26 PM
Dips, pips, ships, loose lips, and rosehips.

Throw them all out the window.

The REDS hit 5 homeruns in the opening game of the series at Busch last August, then couldn't score a run the next day and lost the day after that, too.

They'll be facing a pitcher who's been tough as hell so far this year against everyone he's faced. He'll probably step up his game tonight and give up only one run or none.

I hope the REDS are tough with every at-bat, not going down with one pitch, and really dig in and give Arroyo a lead.

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 07:32 PM
:laugh: That's kinda funny.

The first step in fixing the problem is admitting you have one :evil:

Homer Bailey
04-25-2007, 07:35 PM
Per C Trent...


# Talking to Josh Hamilton before the game, he said when he moved to right field last night, some fan yelled out, "My name is Josh Hamilton and I'm addicted to drugs." Hamilton said he just looked at the guy, smiled and nodded. "Tell me something I don't know, dude," Hamilton said. He also said as soon as he acknowledged the fan, the kid screamed, "that's awesome! you're my new favorite player!"

I just got my Hamilton jersey, and went down to the game on the other day. Before Josh's first at bat, I yelled his name and pointed to the back of my jersey. He smiled and pointed to the back of his jersey. Think I was the first person he saw with a Reds Hamilton jersey?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 07:42 PM
I just got my Hamilton jersey, and went down to the game on the other day. Before Josh's first at bat, I yelled his name and pointed to the back of my jersey. He smiled and pointed to the back of his jersey. Think I was the first person he saw with a Reds Hamilton jersey?

You probably made his day

Homer Bailey
04-25-2007, 07:44 PM
You probably made his day

Sad part is I was trying to catch it on film, but as i turned to show him the back of my jersey, I turned the camera to the side and missed his reaction. My buddies still dont believe me but I dont care.

Blind Melon
04-25-2007, 07:51 PM
It sounds like some people are saying that pitchers have little or no control over whether or not balls hit in fair territory result in hits - which I'm not sure I agree. For instance if you're constantly inducing weak grounders and lazy fly balls, you must be doing something right, since those are always supposed to be routine plays regardless of the fielder. If you locate properly you shouldn't have to worry about too many hard hit balls that basically require web gem caliber plays in order to become outs.


Then again it wasn't until more recently that I started hearing more about that kind of stuff...

KronoRed
04-25-2007, 07:51 PM
Think I was the first person he saw with a Reds Hamilton jersey?

You certainly won't be the last :D

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 07:51 PM
I was at Saturday night's game against the Phillies...around the 7th inning or so the fans got the wave going. You could tell Hamilton was enjoying it because he would follow the wave around the stadium inbetween pitches. After it went around the ballpark three or four times he finally decided to join in by throwing up his arms when it reach the right field seats. I got a good laugh out of it...you can tell that he just loves being on the ballfield.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 07:53 PM
That's awesome, OBM. I love having Hamilton on this team...in more ways than one.

Bold prediction: Edwin goes yard in his second AB tonight.

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 08:07 PM
Good thing i got 3rd row seats in right center field for Next Fridays game! I never have had a true favortie player besides good Danny Graves heh So i think its safe to say i truley have a real favorite player *Josh Hamilton*

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:11 PM
Thom says he asked Hamilton why he swung at so many first pitches last night....

Josh said he thought he could hammer all of them.

WebScorpion
04-25-2007, 08:11 PM
I expect the Reds to hit Looper pretty well...maybe not like last night, but at least enough to score 4 or 5 runs. I expect the lefty Keisler to give them a little more trouble tomorrow. ;)

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:11 PM
Hamilton walks

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:11 PM
Nice LEAD OFF at bat

:)

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:12 PM
Great atbat by Josh Hamilton. I love his patience.

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 08:12 PM
Now there's a good AB from Hammy.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
BP bunts. Hamilton goes to 2nd

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
nice sac bunt by bphill who almost beat it out

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Uhh a bunt?

Ok.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Why in the heck is Brandon Phillips sacrifice bunting in the first inning?!?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
A bunt to advance a runner?

This team does that?

PickOff
04-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Is anyone having trouble with the widescreen MLB tv? The stream keeps freezing on me more than the other type.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:14 PM
Hamilton now at third...

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:14 PM
Dunn grounds out to 1st. Hamilton goes to 3rd. 2 outs

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:14 PM
The fact that Dunn can't buy a hit right now makes Phillips bunt even dumber. This team lacks baseball smarts.

Far East
04-25-2007, 08:14 PM
Let's assume that two of the Reds' strong suits are starting pitching and the power hitting outfielders. Then Hamilton, Dunn, and Griffey hitting early (and often) at or near the top of the lineup, potentially (at least) will help build an early lead while the starter is holding the opposition down.

Then later, when the staff needs the strongest defense -- when the weakish bullpen is in the game -- the Reds play their three young "centerfielders": Hamilton, Freel, and Hopper (as they did Tuesday night)to protect the league.

If were only that easy!

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:15 PM
Griffey flys out to center. 3 outs

RBA
04-25-2007, 08:15 PM
I wouldn't of had BP bunting int he first inning.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-25-2007, 08:15 PM
Is this game on in HD? It looks great on MLB.tv

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:15 PM
Giving away that out really killed that inning. I can't wait to hear whose brilliant decision that was.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:16 PM
i don't mind the butning by phillips but he hit well last nite so i might have let him swing away right there on hit and run or something

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:16 PM
I was hoping for another Griffey homer ala last night to get Hamilton in, but a fly out to center....let's hope they turn it on in the middle and late innings like last night!!!!

PickOff
04-25-2007, 08:16 PM
Is this game on in HD? It looks great on MLB.tv

It is the new widescreen look. Is yours freezing at all or more than normal?

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:17 PM
Giving away that out really killed that inning. I can't wait to hear whose brilliant decision that was.

Imagine what Thom would be saying on the TV broadcast if George Grande wouldn't have been doing it?

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 08:17 PM
I still don't know why we bunted.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:17 PM
Ground out to BP 1 out

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
quick ground out for the midget 1 out

HumnHilghtFreel
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
It is the new widescreen look. Is yours freezing at all or more than normal?

Working same as usual for me. Do you have the 400 or 700k?

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
Duncan singles to right

Wheelhouse
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
NARRON=GOOF. Gives away an out when 1) Looper has had problems in the first 2) Phillips needs to get it going at the plate 3) could blow it open early.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
I actually liked the bunt.

*ducks*

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
What a smack by Duncan....I see potential written all over him.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
I still don't know why we bunted.

Try something.

Free swinging, while stranding people hasn't worked overall, try small ball...

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:18 PM
duncan singles on the first pitch

PickOff
04-25-2007, 08:19 PM
Working same as usual for me. Do you have the 400 or 700k?

700, does it freeze at all on you?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:19 PM
Folks....not every decision that doesn't work is a bad decison.

Amazing concept, I know.

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:19 PM
BOOO! For the time called by Pujols....

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:20 PM
Folks....not every decision that doesn't work is a bad decison.

Amazing concept, I know.

Get down! :thumbup:

HumnHilghtFreel
04-25-2007, 08:20 PM
700, does it freeze at all on you?

Nope, haven't had problems with that since the first week of the season

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:20 PM
that looked like strike 3

Red in Chicago
04-25-2007, 08:20 PM
BOOO! For the time called by Pujols....

nothing like waiting until the last possible second:thumbdown

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:21 PM
Pujols walks

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:21 PM
I wish that Grande would stop talking about Pujols and his heel and last night....but as well all know all too well about trying to get that to stop...

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:21 PM
i don't mind that walk

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:21 PM
These St. Louis announcers are truely the worst I've ever heard.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:21 PM
Un-Bronson like start....

You know what, if he has a bad day....he has a bad day. He's done very well so far with absolutely no help.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
69 mph on that curveball for arroyo

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
These St. Louis announcers are truely the worst I've ever heard.

Last night was worse

Sea Ray
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
If you're going to bunt Phillips, why not bunt Griffey with a runner on third, two out and they're playing the 3B at SS?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
Nobody runs on Hamilton

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
Fly out to Hamilton. 2 outs

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:23 PM
I would have loved to have seen Hamilton throw out Duncan at third if he would have tried to tag up, I would have LOVED it...you know he would have been out stone cold!

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:23 PM
rolen flies out to hamilton 2 outs

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 08:23 PM
Hamilton can pitch? 94-96 mph in high school
wow i didnt know that the st louis annoucers just said

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:24 PM
I would also like to add these cameramen are the worst I've ever seen.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:24 PM
nice effort by ross

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Ross is good at almost doing things.

prhof14
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
heck of a catch!!!

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Great catch by Griffey to save a run. Very good catch by Junior.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Griffey's getting the hang of this right field thing

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Damn what a sliding catch by Jr. 3 outs

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Nice grab!

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Diving catch Jr 0-0 going into second

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
nice play by junior to end the inning still got alittle of the kid in him

MrCinatit
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Nice play by Junior. Old guy looks uncomfortable a lot of times out there - but he can still get it done.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Wow, that play had "dislocated kneecap" written all over it.

Good play.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Well it wasn't pretty but I'll take it.

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:27 PM
Its sad that I was in the other room washing my hands and I knew that Jim Edmonds was hitting with 2 on, and all I heard was George Grande, the Reds announcer, talking and then yelling something and that something exciting had just happened and the first thoughts that raced through my mind were that Edmonds hit a homer, but low and behold, Griffey made a nice catch...its sad though that with Grande actually getting a little excited about that that the first though was a Edmonds homer.....ah well.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Edwin grounds out to 3rd

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 08:28 PM
I'd love to see EE start lifting the ball a little bit.

RBA
04-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Its sad that I was in the other room washing my hands and I knew that Jim Edmonds was hitting with 2 on, and all I heard was George Grande, the Reds announcer, talking and then yelling something and that something exciting had just happened and the first thoughts that raced through my mind were that Edmonds hit a homer, but low and behold, Griffey made a nice catch...its sad though that with Grande actually getting a little excited about that that the first though was a Edmonds homer.....ah well.

He was probably excited about the possibility of the ball falling in.

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Next at bat...homer, I am predicting

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:29 PM
Oh goodie, our daily Molina family history lesson...

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:29 PM
Hatte walks

Hap
04-25-2007, 08:29 PM
He was probably excited about the possibility of the ball falling in.

It had to be painful for him to call that.

crazybob60
04-25-2007, 08:29 PM
Hatteberg walks

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:30 PM
hatte walks on a good at bat

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:30 PM
Gonzo pops up to short

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:32 PM
Ross strikes out. 3rd out

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:32 PM
Braden Looper hung a slider and Ross still swung through it. Looper doesn't have much tonight (which could be said everynight) so the Reds *should* hit him better the second time through.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:32 PM
ross down on strikes

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:32 PM
Wow, that pitch should have been hit about 450 feet. Ross is blindly guessing right now.

flyer85
04-25-2007, 08:33 PM
Poor Dave ... missed a hanging slider that was right down the middle

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:34 PM
Diving catch Jr 0-0 going into second

he jogged of the field sort of slow....did he twick anything or was he just taking his time?

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:34 PM
It sounds like some people are saying that pitchers have little or no control over whether or not balls hit in fair territory result in hits - which I'm not sure I agree. For instance if you're constantly inducing weak grounders and lazy fly balls, you must be doing something right, since those are always supposed to be routine plays regardless of the fielder. If you locate properly you shouldn't have to worry about too many hard hit balls that basically require web gem caliber plays in order to become outs.


Then again it wasn't until more recently that I started hearing more about that kind of stuff...

Hear! Hear!

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:35 PM
Ground out to BP

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 08:35 PM
he jogged of the field sort of slow....did he twick anything or was he just taking his time?

:angry:

Taking his time he just made a nice catch

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:36 PM
Kennedy flys out to Jr.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:36 PM
he jogged of the field sort of slow....did he twick anything or was he just taking his time?

He's just a lollygagger ;)

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:36 PM
griffey looked fine running there

MrCinatit
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Do tell us more about the Molina brothers, George. We have not heard nearly enough.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Molina grounds out to Gonzo. 3 outs

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Gonzalez made that play look routine.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
That would have been a really good play if anyone but Yadier Molina would have been running.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
good play by AGon on molina to the top of the third

RBA
04-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Smooth Operator!

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:38 PM
:angry:

Taking his time he just made a nice catch

I was asking a real question...it was a akward catch, he landed on both knees. I wondered if anybody listening to the radio broadcast heard anything.
The guys on TV are the last to know.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:38 PM
Folks....not every decision that doesn't work is a bad decison.

Amazing concept, I know.

No kidding. I agree.

Runs will be hard to get by the REDS tonight. If you can put a man in scoring position with one out...do it.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:39 PM
griffey looked fine running there


good, I was worried, he landed wierd on that catch.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:39 PM
Runs will be hard to get by the REDS tonight. If you can put a man in scoring position with one out...do it.

Why?

sonny
04-25-2007, 08:40 PM
Arroyo has yet to hit a homerun this year, makes that Wily Mo deal seem not as good, no?

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:40 PM
Bronson grounds out to Looper

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:40 PM
If you're going to bunt Phillips, why not bunt Griffey with a runner on third, two out and they're playing the 3B at SS?

I wish they would do it once in a while to keep them honest.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:40 PM
I predict a homer by Hamilton here.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:42 PM
Why?

I don't know. But personally, I have no problem with doing it. You can't predict the future, get as many people in scoring position as possible. With no outs... odds are Phillips make an out anyway, might as well make sure the runner advances.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:42 PM
Hamilton grounds out to 2nd.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:42 PM
hamilton grounds out

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:42 PM
I predict a homer by Hamilton here.

I know you meant next time :)

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:43 PM
BP grounds out to 2nd. 3 outs

MrCinatit
04-25-2007, 08:43 PM
Aaron Harang talks a lot like Brian Posehn, at least on one of the FSN commercials. This is not an insult - I think Posehn is one of the funniest guys around.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:43 PM
nice play by kennedy took away a hit from phillips

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:44 PM
Why?

Why will runs be hard to get tonight? Because Looper has been tremendous all season and all of Spring Training. He's had nothing but great starts since March 1st. On top of that, he's going to step it up even further tonight after the Cardinals got hammered last night like Carpenter stepped it up last year on August 18th. And, he knows he's facing Arroyo, the REDS' best pitcher, so he's going to step it up for that reason, too.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:44 PM
No-hitter through 3 innings.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Why will runs be hard to get tonight? Because Looper has been tremendous all season and all of Spring Training. He's had nothing but great starts since March 1st. On top of that, he's going to step it up even further tonight after the Cardinals got hammered last night like Carpenter did last year on August 18th. And, he knows he's facing Arroyo, the REDS' best pitcher, so he's going to step it up for that reason, too.

Braden Looper isn't nearly as good as his stats show right now. His ERA will be hovering around the 5.00 mark by July, IMO.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:45 PM
3 innings no hits....feast or famine....

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Looper grounds out to Edwin

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Ah, BP bunted on his own. And Berry didn't seem to thrilled with it, since he laughed when they asked him about it.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:46 PM
Um, can we see the game please, FSN?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:47 PM
Eckstein is a wiggler....maybe has to urinate - or he has a physical disorder...

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:47 PM
Pop up in foul territory. Ross gets it. 2 outs

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I hated popping out to the catcher....felt like I wasted an at-bat.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:47 PM
Single to right

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I don't like the feeling I'm getting...

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:48 PM
I don't like the feeling I'm getting...

Something you ate?

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:48 PM
Single to right

2 pitches to him...2 hits

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
Pujols strikes out looking. 3 outs

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
Braden Looper isn't nearly as good as his stats show right now. His ERA will be hovering around the 5.00 mark by July, IMO.

Of course he is. Just like Ben Sheets is as bad as his stats show.

Looper has thrown the pitches. Nobody else. The results are based on Looper's efforts alone. He's pitched great and he's going to continue to pitch great. He should start getting tired by the end of July, and being tired will probably effect his pitching, but he's every bit as good as Arroyo or Harang or Carpenter right now and will continue to be through the end of June.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
cry, cry cry...:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
arroyo k's pujols

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
Sit down, Pujols...quit putting on a show

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
Beautiful pitch to K Pujols! Is it just me or does Pujols whine about every strike called on him?

Puig Your Red
04-25-2007, 08:49 PM
Sit down Albert.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:50 PM
I'm already tired of FSN MidWests commercials. After 1 whole game and part of another.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:51 PM
Beautiful pitch to K Pujols! Is it just me or does Pujols whine about every strike called on him?

cry's more than anybody in the NL...his ego is so large he cannot believe someone would have the nerve to call a 3rd strike on him.

KYRed
04-25-2007, 08:51 PM
Only 34 pitches through 3 for Arroyo. Anything that keeps the bullpen in the bullpen...:)

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Dunn K's on a pitch at his ankles.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:52 PM
that pitch was at his ankles....

Patrick Bateman
04-25-2007, 08:53 PM
Of course he is. Just like Ben Sheets is as bad as his stats show.

Looper has thrown the pitches. Nobody else. The results are based on Looper's efforts alone. He's pitched great and he's going to continue to pitch great. He should start getting tired by the end of July, and being tired will probably effect his pitching, but he's every bit as good as Arroyo or Harang or Carpenter right now and will continue to be through the end of June.

I'm not sure what's worse. That you think Looper is as good as Haang/Carpenter/Arroyo or that you think Sheets is a 5.00 ERA pitcher.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:53 PM
2 pitches to him...2 hits

Duncan's the only one who's swung at the first pitch (other than Looper)...everyone else either took a strike looking (6 times) or a ball (3 times). Arroyo has thrown first-pitch-strike to 8 of 11 batters.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:53 PM
Griffey grounds out to Pujols 2 outs

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:54 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?

1) Big Klu

2) George Foster

3) Eric Davis

4) Barry Larkin or Cal Daniels or Joe Morgan

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:54 PM
Edwin grounds out to 2nd. 3 outs

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
The Reds are getting no-hit through four by Braden Looper. Yes, Braden Looper. This offense is incredibly inconsistent.

Jefferson24
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Looks like we should have saved some runs from yesterday.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Bronson must just laugh and laugh when the Reds hit for him. What more can the guy do?

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?

1) Big Klu

2) George Foster

3) Eric Davis

4) Barry Larkin or Cal Daniels or Joe Morgan

Daniels

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?

1) Big Klu

2) George Foster

3) Eric Davis

4) Barry Larkin or Cal Daniels or Joe Morgan

Russell Branyan, Aaron Boone

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:55 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?

1) Big Klu

2) George Foster

3) Eric Davis

4) Barry Larkin or Cal Daniels or Joe Morgan

Greg Vaughn and Aaron Boone are two that I know of off the top of my head. Russ Branyan too. Almost forgot about him.

VR
04-25-2007, 08:56 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?

1) Big Klu

2) George Foster

3) Eric Davis

4) Barry Larkin or Cal Daniels or Joe Morgan

I was there for ED's trifecta :thumbup:

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 08:57 PM
It was more than one three home run game.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Greg Vaughn and Aaron Boone are two that I know of off the top of my head. Russ Branyan too. Almost forgot about him.

wow Aaron....never guessed that one.

KittyDuran
04-25-2007, 08:57 PM
I was there for ED's trifecta :thumbup:Didn't Bench have a few?

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Oh. Someone left out part of the question. The actual question was who are the four Reds with multiple three homerun games.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Uh, wasn't Boone's 3 HR game in Cincy? I thought Branyan's was in SD...

Isn't George wrong?

Edit: Nevermind.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 08:58 PM
Rolen gets a double due to Fan interference

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 08:59 PM
rolen is one ugly dude

6-4-3
04-25-2007, 08:59 PM
who are the 4 players (reds) with 3 homerun games?


Reggie Sanders is 1.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 08:59 PM
I'm not sure what's worse. That you think Looper is as good as Haang/Carpenter/Arroyo or that you think Sheets is a 5.00 ERA pitcher.

Sheets is the most over-rated pitcher in all of baseball. He's average. He's common. He's a proven .500 pitcher....always has been....always will be....got shelled again today.

Looper right now is better than Arroyo....better than Harang....better than Carpenter. The definition of right now is....April...May...June.

Degenerate39
04-25-2007, 09:00 PM
Edmonds singles to center. Rolen scores.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:00 PM
Awesome. The Reds give up YET another 0-2 hit. Unfreakingbelieveable. How many times will it continue to happen until they learn?

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 09:00 PM
Reggie Sanders is 1.

There are more than 4, the question was "more than one 3 HR game".

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 09:00 PM
edmonds squibs one through the middle rolen scores 1-0 cards

George Foster
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
rolen is one ugly dude

He would look bad to the bone in a SS uniform...in a world war II movie. He's german too.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
wilson flies out to dunn

HotCorner
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
Sheets is the most over-rated pitcher in all of baseball. He's average. He's common. He's a proven .500 pitcher....always has been....always will be....got shelled again today.


Dude he pitched three scoreless innings. Left due to injury which has a history. He is not an average/common pitcher.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
The Reds are getting no-hit through four by Braden Looper. Yes, Braden Looper. This offense is incredibly inconsistent.

No surprise here.

Looper has proven all spring and April that he's capable of no-hitting the REDS.

George Foster
04-25-2007, 09:02 PM
There are more than 4, the question was "more than one 3 HR game".

guess I read it to quick...my bad.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:02 PM
No surprise here.

Looper has proven all spring and April that he's capable of no-hitting the REDS.

Are you Braden Looper's dad or something?

Ben Sheets has been among the best pitchers in baseball since 2004. Braden Looper, not so much.

Jefferson24
04-25-2007, 09:03 PM
Why are all these 0-2 pitches thrown for strikes? Ever heard of working the corners and trying to get them to chase a pitch?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:03 PM
Dude he pitched three scoreless innings. Left due to injury which has a history.

Again?

He's not quite Prior/Wood territory, but he's getting there.

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 09:03 PM
kennedy flies out to dunn

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:03 PM
Why are all these 0-2 pitched thrown for strikes? Ever heard of working the corners and trying to get them to chase a pitch?

Thom said he thinks Arroyo was trying to on that pitch to Edmonds but it didn't move right.

He's seen a lot more baseball than me...maybe he was :)

captainmorgan07
04-25-2007, 09:04 PM
single for molina

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 09:04 PM
I was asking a real question...it was a akward catch, he landed on both knees. I wondered if anybody listening to the radio broadcast heard anything.
The guys on TV are the last to know.

I know i was just mad thinking like omg maybe lol thats why i went ahead and answered

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:05 PM
It's looking like Arroyo is having trouble located and moving his pitches...there's a lot of them going right down the chute.

Handofdeath
04-25-2007, 09:05 PM
Dude he pitched three scoreless innings. Left due to injury which has a history. He is not an average/common pitcher.

3.86 lifetime ERA and 62-71 for his career. He is overrated.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:05 PM
Gave up 1 in that not so good inning.

I'll take that.

sonny
04-25-2007, 09:07 PM
could've been alot worse

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:09 PM
A hit!

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:09 PM
No-no is gone as Gonzalez rips a single to left.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 09:09 PM
Breaks up the no-no.

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 09:09 PM
Dude he pitched three scoreless innings. Left due to injury which has a history. He is not an average/common pitcher.

His lifetime record is average. Every year his record is average. He pitches to the level of the competition. He's not a winner.

Over a career it's all about wins. One year's wins or lack of can be because of run support. But over a career, if you consistently lose as many as you win, then you're pitching to the level of your competition. And that's what Ben Sheets does.

sonny
04-25-2007, 09:10 PM
good deal, lets get sumpin' started

VR
04-25-2007, 09:10 PM
Bell, Bench, Davis.....

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Good God, Ross

KYRed
04-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Dunn & Ross just look lost. Ugly to watch.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Can Ross catch and Javy hit?

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:12 PM
Arroyo and that helmet...

:laugh:

Jefferson24
04-25-2007, 09:12 PM
Ross and Dunn have got to start doing something other than striking out don't they?

RedRage
04-25-2007, 09:13 PM
if we were in the AL, I would let my pitcher hit and DH for Ross at this point.
:runaway:

Patrick Bateman
04-25-2007, 09:13 PM
Sheets is the most over-rated pitcher in all of baseball. He's average. He's common. He's a proven .500 pitcher....always has been....always will be....got shelled again today.

Looper right now is better than Arroyo....better than Harang....better than Carpenter. The definition of right now is....April...May...June.

What the hell are you talking about?

Sheets got hammered???

Since when is 3 scoreless innings the definition of getting shelled. The only thing that has held back Sheets is injuries, just like today. If he could ever get healthy he would be one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball right now. The fact that the Brewers haven't been able to field a decent offense until now is hardly his fault.

Based on your definition of right now, Milton is better than Carpenter because he can at least throw a pitch right now. Looper has 3 or 4 good games and he is already better than Harang in your mind. Amazing.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 09:14 PM
if we were in the AL, I would let my pitcher hit and DH for Ross at this point.
:runaway:

Yeah, except you can't. But you'd probably want to.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:14 PM
Tim Hudson has been nothing short of dominant this season. Check out his line against the Marlins so far tonight:

8 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 12 K

RedRage
04-25-2007, 09:14 PM
I'd sneak it in there and see if anyone noticed.

jmac
04-25-2007, 09:15 PM
Has anyone ever won the ERA title with a 2-18 record ?
Hey, I figure BA will win at least 2 !

NatiRedGals
04-25-2007, 09:16 PM
Tim Hudson has been nothing short of dominant this season. Check out his line against the Marlins so far tonight:

8 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 12 K

Gave up 3 straight singles in the bottom of the 9th no outs bob wickman into pitch ! *Dare i say Dunn* ..... I have Hudson.... lol

Hudsons era as of right now though 0.49

Eric_Davis
04-25-2007, 09:16 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

Sheets got hammered???

Since when is 3 scoreless innings the definition of getting shelled. The only thing that has held back Sheets is injuries, just like today. If he could ever get healthy he would be one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball right now. The fact that the Brewers haven't been able to field a decent offense until now is hardly his fault.

Based on your definition of right now, Milton is better than Carpenter because he can at least throw a pitch right now. Looper has 3 or 4 good games and he is already better than Harang in your mind. Amazing.

Since I left in the 3rd and saw the score a few innings later, I assumed Sheets pitched the same way he did in his last two starts (he got hammered).

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
Hamilton with a great diving catch!

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
That's not bad.

Chip R
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
Nice catch by Josh.

Jr's Boy
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
Nice grab by Hamilton!

guttle11
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
George was calm there. Imagine if Edmonds did that.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
There isn't anything he cannot do.

:clap:

Outstanding defensive play

George Foster
04-25-2007, 09:17 PM
The F'n natural!!! wow.

He was in a crack house 15 months ago...wow

guttle11
04-25-2007, 09:18 PM
Stupid tarp.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2007, 09:18 PM
I wonder if ESPN will give that "Edmonds Attention" tonight?



Ehhh...I doubt it.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:18 PM
Since I left in the 3rd and saw the score a few innings later, I assumed Sheets pitched the same way he did in his last two starts (he got hammered).

Sheets last start: 7 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 4 K

You are full of bad information tonight aren't you?

jmac
04-25-2007, 09:18 PM
George was calm there. Imagine if Edmonds did that.

I was thinking....I hear a " He got it....He got it" but there was none.

Razor Shines
04-25-2007, 09:19 PM
I wonder if ESPN will give that "Edmonds Attention" tonight?



Ehhh...I doubt it.

He didn't flop around on the ground long enough.

ochoa30
04-25-2007, 09:20 PM
He didn't flop around on the ground long enough.

Or act hurt for 10 minutes.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Hamilton, Phillips, and Dunn due up in the 6th. This is our best chance to score.

guttle11
04-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Hamilton, Phillips, and Dunn due up in the 6th. This is our best chance to score.

:laugh:

EDIT: Great call!