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Dunner44
04-29-2007, 11:26 AM
Red's lineup per C. Trent


Same lineup as yesterday
Freel cf
Phillips 2b
Hamilton rf
Conine 1b
Gonzalez ss
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Ross c
Harang p

Pirates lineup:

C. Duffy cf
J. Wilson ss
F. Sanchez 2b
J. Bay lf
A. LaRoche
R. Doumit c
B. Eldred rf
J. Bautista 3b
P. Maholm p

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 11:26 AM
Narron's getting boring :p:

NorrisHopper30
04-29-2007, 11:35 AM
First time all year with the same lineup?

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 11:40 AM
First time all year with the same lineup?

He's done it a few times.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 11:48 AM
Let's win this one for Josh Hancock

redsfan30
04-29-2007, 11:50 AM
The games just don't seem as important with the news out of St. Louis.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 11:52 AM
Seeing Sea Bass's name in the 5 hole, EVER, makes me cringe. I don't care how hot he is right now. That said, just win.

RedFanAlways1966
04-29-2007, 12:15 PM
When Harang starts this year....

* 30 runs in 5 games (6 R/G).
>> REDS average 4.17 R/G.
>> 2nd best run support (Belisle 31 runs in 5 games).

* REDS have hit 8 HRs.
>> 33% of all HRs even though Harang has started only 21% of games.

* REDS are 4-1.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 12:26 PM
C. Duffy cf
J. Wilson ss
F. Sanchez 2b
J. Bay lf
A. LaRoche
R. Doumit c
B. Eldred rf
J. Bautista 3b
P. Maholm p

edabbs44
04-29-2007, 12:35 PM
So sad that Hamilton and his .368 SLG vs LHP has to hit 3rd. That speaks volumes about this offense.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 12:36 PM
So sad that Hamilton and his .368 SLG vs LHP has to hit 3rd. That speaks volumes about this offense.

19 ABs...c'mon.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 12:53 PM
So sad that Hamilton and his .368 SLG vs LHP has to hit 3rd. That speaks volumes about this offense.

That's where he should hit...he's the best hitter on this team

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 12:54 PM
That's where he should hit...he's the best hitter on this team
Right now? Yes
By the end of the year? I'd be surprised if he is.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 12:56 PM
Right now? Yes
By the end of the year? I'd be surprised if he is.

I'll worry about that later :)

Spring~Fields
04-29-2007, 12:59 PM
That's where he should hit...he's the best hitter on this team

I thought that he was in a bit of a slump, isn't it about time for him to really break out. :)

AmarilloRed
04-29-2007, 01:03 PM
What makes you think he wont be the best hitter at the end of this year if he is now?

cincrazy
04-29-2007, 01:10 PM
I love Josh Hamilton, but he was out of baseball for four years, and had never played in the major's before this season. He'll certainly have a productive season, but I can't see it happening at this pace all season long.

As he goes around the league more than once, teams will pick up tendencies of his, weaknesses that maybe they can exploit, and it will start to show in his stats.

The key will be to see if he can adjust, which I think he will. He has an incredible eye, and power to the opposite field, both of which should help guard against a prolonged slump.

I love Hamilton, he'll be a great player, but counting on someone that was inactive for four years because of a drug addiction to last the entire season playing at a very high level is asking for a boatload of trouble if nobody else can step up.

Patrick Bateman
04-29-2007, 01:14 PM
So sad that Hamilton and his .368 SLG vs LHP has to hit 3rd. That speaks volumes about this offense.

I believe he started out the season something like 0-9 or 1-9 vs. LH pitchers.

He seems to be getting them now.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm done doubting the kid, not because of production in a small sample size but because of the quality of AB's I've seen him take.

He has great plate discipline and thats a skill very hard to teach. Hatteberg and Conine are the only two in his class in that regard and they don't have a shred of his power, especially opposite field.

I don't see any prolonged slumps for the same reason as noted above, great plate discipline and the willigness/ability to go the other way. He isn't a sucker for off speed or breaking balls because he trusts his talent and waits a bit longer knowing he doesn't have to pull everything.

The only thing that will derail Hamilton from what I have seen is an injury or a relapse. I'm not the type to buy into hype but he's one of those rare players who live up to it. What he's doing is hard to comprhend.

KronoRed
04-29-2007, 01:25 PM
Putrid lineup.

They will score 10.

SirFelixCat
04-29-2007, 01:26 PM
Good lineup, currently, and Go Reds!

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:35 PM
What makes you think he wont be the best hitter at the end of this year if he is now?
Dunn and Edwin will start hitting. He'll cool off.

pahster
04-29-2007, 01:36 PM
I'm getting the Reds audio and the Pirates' video on MLB.tv. :p

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Freel is SLUMPING.

KronoRed
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Dunn and Edwin will start hitting. He'll cool off.

But will he be moved down in the lineup?

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
I'm getting the Reds audio and the Pirates' video on MLB.tv. :p
As soon as you say that, they switch to the Pitt audio.

AmarilloRed
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Ill try and stay off the subject of Josh Hamilton for awhile. I started one thread, and it cost me 8 rep points.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 01:39 PM
His bat speed still fascinates me...

ochoa30
04-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Josh smoked that one but right to the centerfielder

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
He's so smooth.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
There goes the no-hitter ;)

Marc D
04-29-2007, 01:45 PM
Josh smoked that one but right to the centerfielder


Difference between a disciplined hitter and some others.

He gets his pitch and hits it hard. Everyone slumps but that ability will keep them from being as sever as some others on this team.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 01:49 PM
That hit him.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:49 PM
How do you swing at a ptich that hits you?

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 01:49 PM
If Freel slumps bad...he goes back to the bench more than he goes down.
His only good position in this lineup is leadoff.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:49 PM
Nice AB Dunn.

No.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 01:50 PM
I forgot that this is the lineup that doesn't get anyone on base until the 5th inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 01:52 PM
Why does this offense always stink the day after scoring a bunch of runs?

Harang doesn't look very sharp so far. We need him on top of his game today because the offense doesn't look good at all so far.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 01:52 PM
Why does this offense always stink the day after scoring a bunch of runs?

What are uns? :p:

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:54 PM
What are uns? :p:
Wha?

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 01:56 PM
People moan about Dunn being dropped down and the heresy of him batting after AG....yet he still has bad AB's more than half the time during games.

Maybe his back is bugging him.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Harang is getting rocked by the Pirates for the second time today. Good grief Harang, it's the bottom of the Pittsburgh Pirates order.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Unbelievable.

This game's over.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Harang is getting crushed. Paul Maholm? Sad. Pirates pitchers own Harang.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
This is going well...

Marc D
04-29-2007, 01:59 PM
Dunner is an absolute black hole in LF.

Can't let the pitcher do that to you harang.

redsupport
04-29-2007, 01:59 PM
say goodbye to two under .500

Jefferson24
04-29-2007, 01:59 PM
If Josh were in left we would be out of this inning 0-0

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 01:59 PM
Unbelievable.

This game's over.

I'd have to agree with that. I just don't see this offense scoring three runs of Paul Maholm. Harang is not yet ready to take the next step to being a major league ace.

CTA513
04-29-2007, 02:00 PM
Its the "pitcher cant hit so throw it right down the middle" pitch.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 02:00 PM
He's not off to the greatest start this year...especially for a guy of his calibre

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Dunn playes the #8 hitter to shallow and the pitcher too deep. :bang:

I love him but he's not a very smart ballplayer and for a one time QB he has the arm of a small child.

I agree that 3 runs will be enough.

GullyFoyle
04-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Its the "pitcher cant hit so throw it right down the middle" pitch.

Pirates announcers say that it was Dunn's fault for playing the pitcher too deep...

Jefferson24
04-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Dunn should be a DH somewhere. He has no business in the field.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Dunn playes the #8 hitter to shallow and the pitcher too deep. :bang:

.

I'm sorry...but isn't there a bench coach who positions these guys????

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
LOL, the Pirates broadcast just said that he couldn't see Dunn playing LF for their team because he was no where near that ball that landed on the front of the warning track.

Poor defense, doesn't show up as an error but he should've been there. Cost the REDS 3 runs.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:04 PM
Another hit for EE.

Still not hitting for any power at all.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:04 PM
Encarnacion is coming back...move him up in the lineup please.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Why was Ross bunting?

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:05 PM
LOL, the Pirates broadcast just said that he couldn't see Dunn playing LF for their team because he was no where near that ball that landed on the front of the warning track.

Poor defense, doesn't show up as an error but he should've been there. Cost the REDS 3 runs.

The pitching by Harang there was just as poor as Dunn's defense. Giving up three runs to the #8 and 9 hitters is just ridiculous.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Ross singles to left

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
I'm sorry...but isn't there a bench coach who positions these guys????

Well theres a pretty vocal element that keeps telling me Narron and his boys really know what they are doing and its all the players fault. Are you suggesting this might not be exactly correct?

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Ross and EE with back-to-back hits.

Good to see.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Ugh. I see Harang is back to his tricks.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Why was Ross bunting?

To get on...3B playing back. He does it once in a while.

VR
04-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Ross owns Maholm.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:07 PM
Worst fundamental team.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:07 PM
Not a very productive bunt by Harang

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:07 PM
Harang kills the inning with his bat this time. He's multi-tasking today.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Great speed on the bases now.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Lack of fundamentals costs us yet again. Broken record with this team.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Wow that was a nice play by Bautista to catch the ball

Jefferson24
04-29-2007, 02:09 PM
no breaks today

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:09 PM
I"m not particularly blown away by Maholm. I think the offense will put the pressure on him. I just worry that Aaron won't be able to contain this pathetic Pittsburgh offense.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:09 PM
That's about as far as Freel is hitting it these days.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:09 PM
BP brings in a run and advances Harang to 3rd.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
There you go BP.

3-1

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Good throw and Harang makes the 3rd out at 3rd base with hamilton coming up.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Hamilton flys out to left 3 outs

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
What an AB by Josh.

:rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Where in the hell has Josh Hamilton's patience gone? Why would someone abandon the plate approach that was making him a star?

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:11 PM
Hamilton must have left the ability to take pitches in Cincinnati.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:12 PM
Is no batter in this lineup allowed to swing at the 1st pitch?

There is nothing wrong with doing that sometimes........or has Hamilton been doing that all the time?

Jefferson24
04-29-2007, 02:12 PM
Josh has been 1st pitch swinging more often than not lately. Might be time to take a day off and remember how he's had most of his success so far.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:12 PM
Where in the hell has Josh Hamilton's patience gone? Why would someone abandon the plate approach that was making him a star?
Making him a star?

He was doing it for 2 weeks.

Tom Servo
04-29-2007, 02:13 PM
Even the Golden Boy is unable to avoid the inherant snarkiness of Redszone. :p:

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:13 PM
Fly out to Hamilton 1 out

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Is no batter in this lineup allowed to swing at the 1st pitch?

There is nothing wrong with doing that sometimes........or has Hamilton been doing that all the time?


All Four RBI's today have come from 1st-pitch swings.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Bay doubles to right field.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 02:15 PM
Harang not himself today - me wonders if his over use by Narron is catching up to him, or if it's just one of those days.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:15 PM
Wild pitch. Bay goes to 3rd

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:15 PM
Is it windy there today? It looked like a pop fly that kept carrying before hitting the wall. Nice job by Freel backing up, BTW.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:16 PM
Strike out. 2 outs

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:16 PM
He Gone.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:17 PM
RBI double to right.

4-1

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:17 PM
Harang is about to give that run right back to the Pirates. He's already given the Pirates four runs in less than three innings on the pitching side, plus he cost the Reds a run on offense with a poor bunt. I like Harang a lot, he's normally a very good pitcher but he needs to step it up against teams like the Pirates. This is his second poor start against them this year. This was a a big game and he coughed it up.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:17 PM
Harang is getting rocked.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:17 PM
Hamilton has issues playing flyballs.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Bring in someone else. Harang isn't fooling anyone today.

KYRed
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
I agree that wee can get some runs of Maholm, but Harang does not have it today. He is just getting rocked by anyone and everyone in their lineup. I don't think we can score enough to keep up at this pace. Through 8 outs for the Pirates, half their lineup already has a hit and two have multiple hit games in the 3rd.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
There are no "big games" for this team, they are not a contender.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Another strike out. 3 outs.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:19 PM
Bring in someone else. Harang isn't fooling anyone today.
Pray tell, who?

ochoa30
04-29-2007, 02:19 PM
Hamilton has issues playing flyballs.

His issue is that they are all hitting off the wall, he hasnt played this park enough to know when to hold up and play it off the wall.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Bring in someone else. Harang isn't fooling anyone today.

8 baserunners in 3 innings versus the worst offense in the majors.

PuffyPig
04-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Harang has been 7-11 BABIP today. He's got 5 K's.

I'd suggest only the randomness of baseball has gotten to him today.

Batters get the bat on balls, anything can happen. Bays double was a pop fly to RF that simply carried.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Conine singles up the middle

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Young body.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Old folks can stroke it. Base hit for Conine.

This is a typical Sunday for this team. Anyone know their record on Sundays. I can't remember too many good Sundays since 2000.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:22 PM
That was lucky.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Gonzo walks

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:23 PM
Alright.

Lets go.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:23 PM
Freddy Sanchez dropping that ball saved the Reds from yet another stupid baserunning mistake.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:23 PM
That was lucky.

His young body knocked the ball out of the second baseman's mitt. ;)

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:23 PM
Time for Dunn to park one into the river.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Maholm's all over the place.

I give Dunn the green light 3-0

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Nice at bat by Alex Gonzalez.

Put some pressure on Maholm and he'll fold.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Let's go Dunn...make him work it into your zone.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Dunn walks

KYRed
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Nice at bat by Dunn to take the walk there. Bases juiced, no outs.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Swung at ball 4...3-2 count.

Edit: he walked, and my connection to the game must be slow.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Bases loaded nobody out.

7-8-9 up

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Hear, hear, KYRed.

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
GOOD JOB Adam

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Need at least two runs here.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Now is the time for Edwin E. to come to the aid of his team with a solid single or better yet a HR.

Right?

VR
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Believe it or not....EE and Ross are the two guys I want to see up here against Maholm.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Dunn did the smart thing and not just swing at something and hope it falls in.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Freddy Sanchez dropping that ball saved the Reds from yet another stupid baserunning mistake.


Mental mistakes are this teams hallmark. Managers reposibility iirc.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
That's more like it, Eddie!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Nice Edwin!

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
3-run triple by Edwin! Almost a grandslam.

KYRed
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Oh man, Edwin was inches away from a grand slam, but hits a bases clearing triple! He hit that thing a mile.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
EE its about time!!!

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
EE gets a hold of one

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Whatta rope by EE...great to see him snap out of it!

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
OK, I'll take an extra base hit. Tie game.

He's back much to Jerry's chagrin.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Man I thought that was going to be a grand slam

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
EE hustling out of the box...

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
Oh man, Edwin was inches away from a grand slam, but hits a bases clearing triple! He hit that thing a mile.


The HR would have killed the rally

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
Ross pops out to 2nd.

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
Nice, it was in the notch, if not out of there.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
EE hit that off the 410 sign.

Strikes Out Looking
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
To read through the game thread, it would seem the Reds are down by 10. I think it's 4-4 however.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
DON"T leave him at 3rd just because we tied it up!!

Kc61
04-29-2007, 02:28 PM
Ross with one of the worst at bats of the season.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Told ya they'd get to Maholm. Now it's time for Aaron to sac up a tad and actually retire the freakin' Pirates dogcrap offense.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Good to see EE drive the ball.

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Pirates are warming someone up. Wow!

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Harang with an RBI single!

5-4 Reds!

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Aaron with a RBI single! Holy cow. He makes up for that bad bunt.

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Ladies and gentlemen....the Reds offense may have woken up...

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Edwin is coming out of it. Thank God.

Ross still sucks, but Harang helps himself out.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Freel grounds into a fielder's choice. Harang out at 2nd. 2 outs.

GullyFoyle
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
To read through the game thread, it would seem the Reds are down by 10. I think it's 4-4 however.

Yep... lack of an offense for so long has people expecting it.

I'm hoping its here to stay for awhile.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Harang with an RBI single!

5-4 Reds!

Wow...that's a rarity. Nice job Aaron.

Pirates announcers killing Maholm.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
The Reds offense waking up?

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Phillips doubles off the wall! Freel scores.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
BP doubles in Freel!

6-4 Reds!

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Freel simply is in one of his tired slumps. When he plays more than 3 games in a row he loses all his power and hits ground balls right at em. Time for a rest. Put Hamilton in leadoff since he's adopted that first pitch thing from Freel.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Having your pitcher have to bail you out of a bad AB.......Ross is like
Bill Plummer and Don Werner all rolled into 1.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Phillips just misses another rally killer

6-4 reds

BCubb2003
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Wait... I thought the game was over.

CrackerJack
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Offense two days in a row!

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
At least Hamilton didn't swing at the first pitch there.

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Phillips stood and watched that one.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Nice hit for Phillips...the ball really carries in this place.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:31 PM
Phillips and Edwin are both starting to hit.

Really good signs.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:32 PM
Wait... I thought the game was over.

It is. This is just a mirage.;)

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:32 PM
Hamilton strikes out 3 outs.

GullyFoyle
04-29-2007, 02:33 PM
It looks like BP distracted Hamilton there...

KYRed
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm glad to say the Reds offense proved me wrong by showing they could come back today.

The hope now is that Harang can settle down and give us 3 more innings of work with less baserunners in the bottom half of innings. Ironically enough, while Arroyo can't catch a break, Harang already has won a game when he did not pitch well at all. That was against Pitt in fact, time to do it again.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm shocked at the deterioration of Hamilton's plate discipline on this road trip. He's swinging at stuff he has no prayer of hitting where he was so selective before. Maybe this is the club direction under Jacoby?

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
I think that Phillips running messed up Josh at the plate. Did anyone else think that?

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Hamilton strikes out 3 outs.


BP's starting and stopping from 2nd can't help a young guy like Hamilton at the plate.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Unbelievable.

This game's over.
:thumbdown

ochoa30
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Hamilton strikes out 3 outs.

Hamilton in a bit of a slump, but phillips should not have gone there. josh looked distracted. Oh well, great inning, i'll take it.

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
It looks like BP distracted Hamilton there...

LOL, I saw it.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm shocked at the deterioration of Hamilton's plate discipline on this road trip. He's swinging at stuff he has no prayer of hitting where he was so selective before. Maybe this is the club direction under Jacoby?


I don't think so. He had a couple of very good AB's yesterday. He swung at the 1st pitch once so far today. He is facing lefties the past 2 days.

Overall I just don't see the same thing.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:35 PM
Man this is awesome to see. The Reds offense is finally waking up. Paul Maholm looked unhittable the first two innings and then just fell apart. I'm so glad the guys proved me wrong. They are finally starting to hit, and against lefties to boot! Great to see. Now we just need Aaron to wake up and start pitching better.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:35 PM
I think people's heads will cool on Harang when they finally accept that he's more Pete Harnisch/Brad Radke than Roy Oswalt.

Which is fine: teams really need Harnisches and Radkes.

But having a Harang around shouldn't stop that team from looking for Santanas and Oswalts.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
Bautista singles to left

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
I'm shocked at the deterioration of Hamilton's plate discipline on this road trip. He's swinging at stuff he has no prayer of hitting where he was so selective before. Maybe this is the club direction under Jacoby?

He's a rookie. He should have big slumps and nice hot streaks.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
Draft note: Troy Smith drafted by Baltimore. Last pick in the 5th round #174

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
This game's far from over with Harang pitching.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
Kelly is batting for Maholm

Fullboat
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
How come nobody ever listens to this guy?

http://www.njn.net/television/highlights/august02/images/yogiberra.jpg

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
Kelly grounds into a Casey. 2 outs.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
Rack em up!

oneupper
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
How come nobody ever listens to this guy?

http://www.njn.net/television/highlights/august02/images/yogiberra.jpg

Would YOU listen to a guy named Yogi?

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
This game's far from over with Harang pitching.

Indeed. Few pitchers come unglued and stay unglued like Harang.

Problem is, the Reds have one just like him in the "come unglued" department in Milton.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:38 PM
I think people's heads will cool on Harang when they finally accept that he's more Pete Harnisch/Brad Radke than Roy Oswalt.

Which is fine: teams really need Harnisches and Radkes.

But having a Harang around shouldn't stop that team from looking for Santanas and Oswalts.

Oh please. Aaron Harang is one of the better pitchers in the league. Is he a true ace? No. But he's a very good pitcher.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:38 PM
Draft note: Troy Smith drafted by Baltimore. Last pick in the 5th round #174


I knew baltimore would like him. McNair will be a great mentor for him.

Too bad I hate Baltimore. :(

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:38 PM
Fly out to Hamilton. 3 outs.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:38 PM
The you go Aaron.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:38 PM
I don't think so. He had a couple of very good AB's yesterday. He swung at the 1st pitch once so far today. He is facing lefties the past 2 days.

Overall I just don't see the same thing.

Hope you're right, but he looks different and it may be the kind of lefy he's facing, too. I feel better already :) .

PuffyPig
04-29-2007, 02:40 PM
This game's far from over with Harang pitching.


I'm telling you, Harang is pitching fine today. They are BABIP .615 off him.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:40 PM
Oh please. Aaron Harang is one of the better pitchers in the league. Is he a true ace? No. But he's a very good pitcher.

I think FCB is saying just that. He's a good pitcher. Solid, but he's not a staff anchor. To be fair to Aaron, there aren't many Santana's and Oswalt's out there.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:40 PM
Hope you're right, but he looks different and it may be the kind of lefy he's facing, too. I feel better already :) .

Willy Mayes hayes dancing around at 2nd base in last AB didn't do him any favors.

redsupport
04-29-2007, 02:40 PM
get ready for the "bullpen" du jour

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
Hamilton is alright, he's a born baseball player. He makes adjustments.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
How come nobody ever listens to this guy?

http://www.njn.net/television/highlights/august02/images/yogiberra.jpg

Beats me. One of the great lines in commercial history came from that man.

"And they give you cash. Which is just as good as money."

You cannot doubt Yogi.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
I think FCB is saying just that. He's a good pitcher. Solid, but he's not a staff anchor. To be fair to Aaron, there aren't many Santana's and Oswalt's out there.
It's hard to catch balls doinking off the wall.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
Conine has some cool shades but he flys out to center.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
Oh please. Aaron Harang is one of the better pitchers in the league. Is he a true ace? No. But he's a very good pitcher.

It's not an insult to lump Harang in with Radke and Harnisch. They're amazingly similar pitchers. They all give up the big flies, exhibit good control so they don't have a bunch of guys on when they give up the dinger, aren't stingy with the base hit, but generally give their teams a chance to win. In other words, prototypical #2 pitchers.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:42 PM
Gonzo singles to left.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:42 PM
Six game hitting streak for Gonzalez. Time for an Adam Bomb.

PuffyPig
04-29-2007, 02:42 PM
I think FCB is saying just that. He's a good pitcher. Solid, but he's not a staff anchor. To be fair to Aaron, there aren't many Santana's and Oswalt's out there.

He may not be a Santana or an Oswalt, but there's probably not 5 starting pitchers better than him in the NL.

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:42 PM
sea bass singles, 1 out Dunner up

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:43 PM
Randy Moss has been traded to the Patriots for the 4th round pick. FYI

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:43 PM
I'm telling you, Harang is pitching fine today. They are BABIP .615 off him.

Single game BABIP is almost meaningless. Bottom line is the gives giving up big-time long-distance line drives when it matters most.

That's a no-no. And sort of cancels out any "bad luck" that may be factored in.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:43 PM
Gone!

Matt700wlw
04-29-2007, 02:43 PM
:dunn:

:jump:

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:43 PM
Dunn homers!

8-4 Reds!

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Dunn hits a rally killer

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Dunn goes yard on 3-0!!!!!

8-4!

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
My new sig has really helped the Reds so far.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Six game hitting streak for Gonzalez. Time for an Adam Bomb.

You called it. You get the door prize. A case of Hudepohl 14K!

Jefferson24
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
OK I'm taking back a few of the bad things I said about Dunn.

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Randy Moss has been traded to the Patriots for the 4th round pick. FYI

Like 5 hours ago.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Pitcher was working around him again........even with EE getting hotter.

Great job of getting your pitch!

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Edwin flys out to right.

Fullboat
04-29-2007, 02:45 PM
Randy Moss has been traded to the Patriots for the 4th round pick. FYI

Its a great day to be a Pats & Reds Fan.:thumbup:

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:45 PM
I hope this is the beginning of Adam coming out of his slump.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:45 PM
Ross grounds out to the pitcher on a pitch that was by his feet.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:46 PM
He may not be a Santana or an Oswalt, but there's probably not 5 starting pitchers better than him in the NL.

Webb
Cain
Zito
Maine
Smoltz
Oswalt
Carpenter
Snell
Zambrano
(I'll not say Sheets because he's hurt all the time).
Doug Davis is a very comparable arm.
Arroyo (he was the better pitcher last season anyway).

Marc D
04-29-2007, 02:46 PM
Ross ground out to pitcher

3 out

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:46 PM
I'm sure you all noticed, but 1-8, this lineup is well-balanced.

Keep in mind that Ross has been hitting better lately.

Marge'sMullet
04-29-2007, 02:47 PM
It would be nice to have a 4+ run lead before we hand it over to the pen. Hopefully Harang can go atleast 7.

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:47 PM
Webb
Cain
Zito
Maine
Smoltz
Oswalt
Carpenter
Snell
Zambrano
(I'll not say Sheets because he's hurt all the time).
Doug Davis is a very comparable arm.
Arroyo (he was the better pitcher last season anyway).

Peavy and Webb for sure.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:47 PM
What's Harang's pitch count?

TRF
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
Zambrano isn't better than Harang. He's a headcase.

Carpenter might not throw again for a few months.

PuffyPig
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
Single game BABIP is almost meaningless. Bottom line is the gives giving up big-time long-distance line drives when it matters most.

That's a no-no. And sort of cancels out any "bad luck" that may be factored in.

I agree that BABIP has less meaning in a smaller sample sixe.

But Harang hasn't given up any HR's on a day when the ball is obviously carrying well. Bays double was a pop, while the other two were line drives.

He may not have pitched great, but he's pitched much better than the actual results.

And he does have a 4 run lead.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
I think....and i know most will say i am giving Narron too much credit...but with the 6-8 being a black hole, for the most part this year.....dropping down Dunn and EE was an effort to help the bottom of the order.

I would rather have Phillips and Dunn switch for the long run though.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
BTW, Dunn's HR was to left-center field.

NJReds
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
Webb
Cain
Zito
Maine
Smoltz
Oswalt
Carpenter
Snell
Zambrano
(I'll not say Sheets because he's hurt all the time).
Doug Davis is a very comparable arm.
Arroyo (he was the better pitcher last season anyway).

Take out Maine and I agree with the rest, although Zambrano is a major headcase that won't be worth his next contract, IMO.

Edit: Forgot about Peavy.

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:48 PM
It would be nice to have a 4+ run lead before we hand it over to the pen. Hopefully Harang can go atleast 7.

I'd feel more comfortable, plus it'd be fun, to have a 7+ run lead before the bullpen takes over (if they take over).

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:49 PM
Wilson reaches on a strike out wild pitch.

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:49 PM
Nice D Ross.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:49 PM
Very poor effort by David Ross to block that pitch. That should have been the first out.

Eric_Davis
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
Zambrano isn't better than Harang. He's a headcase.

Carpenter might not throw again for a few months.

Zambrano is one of the top-3 pitchers in the NL. Harang isn't in the top-10.

And, that's a fact.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
This homeplate ump is crazy every strike he goes AHHHH

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
Very poor effort by David Ross to block that pitch. That should have been the first out.

It's that brisk Ross-ian athleticism that I've come to love so much.

Degenerate39
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
Wilson advances to 2nd

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
More great D from Ross.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2007, 02:50 PM
And now Ross had Wilson hung out to dry but he fumbled the ball.

Tony Cloninger
04-29-2007, 02:51 PM
Ross is there for his D....meaning he has to be perfect or else he pretty much offers almost nothing.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2007, 02:51 PM
For a catcher who is really sorry at the plate right now, Ross is winning no awards as a defensive catcher, is he?

Puig Your Red
04-29-2007, 02:51 PM
That was a nice play by the big man.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2007, 02:52 PM
They scored that a wild pitch. :rolleyes: