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westofyou
05-01-2007, 10:55 AM
One month in and most folks like to see who's hot, while ARod has a .880 slugging percentage the other side of that coin is pretty bleak and fraught with some big names.

Bottom of the Qualified Players sorted by Slugging% (worst is on the bottom)


PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Bobby Abreu NYY 91 19 23 2 0 1 13 5 1 16 22 .253 .360 .308 .668
Gary Sheffield DET 85 22 17 3 0 2 8 4 1 19 16 .200 .369 .306 .675
Jim Edmonds STL 72 5 16 1 1 1 5 0 2 9 16 .222 .309 .306 .614
Joe Crede CHW 86 6 19 1 0 2 8 0 0 7 11 .221 .280 .302 .582
Tony Pena Jr. KAN 93 10 19 1 4 0 6 2 0 4 19 .204 .245 .301 .546
Alex Gordon KAN 81 7 14 4 0 2 5 1 2 11 29 .173 .316 .296 .613
Jason Bartlett MIN 71 6 17 4 0 0 4 3 0 7 7 .239 .316 .296 .612
Felipe Lopez WAS 109 9 29 3 0 0 3 3 3 9 22 .266 .319 .294 .613
Willy Taveras COL 75 18 21 1 0 0 4 6 4 8 17 .280 .365 .293 .658
Paul Lo Duca NYM 76 8 18 1 0 1 8 0 0 5 6 .237 .294 .289 .584
Omar Vizquel SFO 90 11 21 4 0 0 6 1 1 6 10 .233 .281 .278 .559
Adam LaRoche PIT 83 8 11 2 0 3 11 0 0 13 30 .133 .255 .265 .520
David Eckstein STL 84 9 19 3 0 0 4 2 0 5 1 .226 .290 .262 .552
Carlos Delgado NYM 96 10 18 4 0 1 12 0 0 9 22 .188 .262 .260 .522
Encarnacion CIN 77 7 17 1 1 0 10 2 0 6 14 .221 .294 .260 .554
Brian Schneider WAS 76 5 14 2 0 1 12 0 0 12 14 .184 .289 .250 .539
Gerald Laird TEX 68 5 12 2 0 1 5 1 0 9 18 .176 .269 .250 .519
Sean Casey DET 78 3 15 4 0 0 1 0 0 7 9 .192 .259 .244 .502
Rafael Furcal LAD 74 11 15 3 0 0 5 3 0 7 10 .203 .272 .243 .515
Mike Cameron SDG 104 7 20 5 0 0 4 2 0 9 29 .192 .267 .240 .508
Josh Barfield CLE 74 7 12 0 1 1 9 2 0 3 15 .162 .195 .230 .425
Melky Cabrera NYY 75 4 15 1 0 0 7 1 0 3 8 .200 .238 .213 .451
Jason Kendall OAK 89 5 15 1 0 0 5 3 1 5 8 .169 .221 .180 .401

klw
05-01-2007, 11:16 AM
Yeah but Kendall is fast for a catcher.:)

Red Leader
05-01-2007, 11:18 AM
Several players traded and moved to new teams this past offseason:

Sheffield, Taveras, LaRoche, and Barfield. Disappointing for their new teams, I'm sure.

klw
05-01-2007, 11:21 AM
Several players traded and moved to new teams this past offseason:

Sheffield, Taveras, LaRoche, and Barfield. Disappointing for their new teams, I'm sure.

Oh no and Felipe Lopez is on this list. Will this become the first thread ever to be hi-jacked into a discussion of the Trade?:bang:

15fan
05-01-2007, 11:28 AM
Sean Casey -

1 RBI and 3 Runs scored in 78 ABs.

Redsland
05-01-2007, 11:30 AM
Sean Casey -

1 RBI and 3 Runs scored in 78 ABs.
But what a guy. On the field and off.
[/grande]

:)

membengal
05-01-2007, 11:34 AM
You know his story! 14-hop grounders to second but a smile for everyone!

Red Leader
05-01-2007, 11:35 AM
Oh no and Felipe Lopez is on this list. Will this become the first thread ever to be hi-jacked into a discussion of the Trade?:bang:

I don't see any mention of The Trade, or anyone bringing the topic into this thread, other than your post. :dunno:

Johnny Footstool
05-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Abreu hasn't been the same since he muscled up in the 2005 Home Run Derby.

Kendall regularly puts up SLG nearly equal to his OBP.

Lance Berkman is another big hitter suffering through a month of poplessness.

Red Leader
05-01-2007, 11:51 AM
Abreu hasn't been the same since he muscled up in the 2005 Home Run Derby.

Kendall regularly puts up SLG nearly equal to his OBP.

Lance Berkman is another big hitter suffering through a month of poplessness.


All true.

At least Abreu, Sheffield and surprise, Taveras are getting on base at a decent clip. Althought still slightly low for Abreu's OBP, he is doing something. Barfield's .195 OBP is just embarrassing.

klw
05-01-2007, 12:01 PM
I don't see any mention of The Trade, or anyone bringing the topic into this thread, other than your post. :dunno:


Sorry didn't mean to imply you had. I just saw his name on the list and could see it coming up. I should have just let it be.

guttle11
05-01-2007, 12:21 PM
Lance Berkman is another big hitter suffering through a month of poplessness.

Lucky for him, he gets 7 games against the Reds in the next 10 days. :help:

15fan
05-01-2007, 12:43 PM
You know his story! 14-hop grounders to second but a smile for everyone!

Casey's hit chart from Comerica Park (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=11208 7&statType=1) so far in 2007

select just the ground outs. it's unreal. I promise you'll giggle.

lots of fly-outs to left and left center.

and it doesn't look like he's even gotten a ball to the warning track.

pedro
05-01-2007, 01:37 PM
Casey's hit chart from Comerica Park (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=11208 7&statType=1) so far in 2007

select just the ground outs. it's unreal. I promise you'll giggle.

lots of fly-outs to left and left center.

and it doesn't look like he's even gotten a ball to the warning track.

He's really displaying his power.

Redsland
05-01-2007, 01:39 PM
He kind of hits like Dave Williams.

westofyou
05-01-2007, 01:43 PM
He's really displaying his power.

He's lost his job to Marcus Thames.

VR
05-01-2007, 01:54 PM
Casey's hit chart from Comerica Park (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=11208 7&statType=1) so far in 2007

select just the ground outs. it's unreal. I promise you'll giggle.

lots of fly-outs to left and left center.

and it doesn't look like he's even gotten a ball to the warning track.

or right of right center. Yikes.

membengal
05-01-2007, 01:54 PM
Casey's hit chart from Comerica Park (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=11208 7&statType=1) so far in 2007

select just the ground outs. it's unreal. I promise you'll giggle.

lots of fly-outs to left and left center.

and it doesn't look like he's even gotten a ball to the warning track.

Wow. That did indeed draw a smile. Glad that is someone else's problem now...

jimbo
05-01-2007, 01:59 PM
Why is it everytime Casey's name is brought up here, some take it as their duty to tear him down? Every player's career is eventually going to decline at some point. Instead of kicking him, I'll just be grateful that the Reds had Sean during the highpoint of his career and for everything he did for not only the organization, but also the city.

membengal
05-01-2007, 02:20 PM
You know his story! Frank discussion of Sean Casey's skills is not allowed!

15fan
05-01-2007, 04:27 PM
Why is it everytime Casey's name is brought up here, some take it as their duty to tear him down? Every player's career is eventually going to decline at some point. Instead of kicking him, I'll just be grateful that the Reds had Sean during the highpoint of his career and for everything he did for not only the organization, but also the city.

By all accounts, Casey's a swell guy. Used to work with a guy who played beer pong with him in college. Would never wish him (or anyone else not named Tony LaRussa or Mike Krzysratfaceski) ill.

The problem is the money & the years that JimBo gave Casey on his mega-contract. It had the same effect on the Reds that the Milton contract has now. Both guys were / are continually run out there hoping that they'd perform so as to justify the contract. The reality is that the team got hamstrung twice - once by swallowing up mega resources that were needed to address other holes, and 2nd when the underperformer kept trotting out there and failing to produce.

If I was managing against Casey, you better believe I'd put on a pair of shifts - both in the IF and the OF. On the IF, everyone would be right of 2b, and in the OF, everyone would be between the left field line and CF.

I'd do it for no other reason than to see if he could leg out a bunt to the left side of the diamond.

cincinnati chili
05-01-2007, 07:43 PM
Why is it everytime Casey's name is brought up here, some take it as their duty to tear him down? Every player's career is eventually going to decline at some point. Instead of kicking him, I'll just be grateful that the Reds had Sean during the highpoint of his career and for everything he did for not only the organization, but also the city.

It's a plot. We all hate Casey because he so damn unlikeable.

mth123
05-02-2007, 04:30 AM
By all accounts, Casey's a swell guy. Used to work with a guy who played beer pong with him in college. Would never wish him (or anyone else not named Tony LaRussa or Mike Krzysratfaceski) ill.

The problem is the money & the years that JimBo gave Casey on his mega-contract. It had the same effect on the Reds that the Milton contract has now. Both guys were / are continually run out there hoping that they'd perform so as to justify the contract. The reality is that the team got hamstrung twice - once by swallowing up mega resources that were needed to address other holes, and 2nd when the underperformer kept trotting out there and failing to produce.

If I was managing against Casey, you better believe I'd put on a pair of shifts - both in the IF and the OF. On the IF, everyone would be right of 2b, and in the OF, everyone would be between the left field line and CF.

I'd do it for no other reason than to see if he could leg out a bunt to the left side of the diamond.


Except it was DanO that exercised the option for 2006 at $8.5 Million. This left the Reds stuck with him for the 2005 season when it was obvious it was time to move on and forced the eventual trade for Dave Williams with the Reds paying a part of the bill.

If the option hadn't been exercised, Casey could have been dumped at the deadline in 2005 for a better return (if he was healthy at the time, I can't remember).

Players are an investement like any business venture and exit strategy is important in the equation. Exercising that option (before the '05 season started IIRC) removed Casey's value. I have to wonder if that same situation is playing out now with Adam Dunn. I'd like to see him back, but can't really blame WK for a wait and see approach. By holding-off, the chance to dump Dunn at the deadline for a package of talent remains open. It's a chance that DanO never gave himself with Casey.

Its easy to second guess now. Many were happy when the option was picked-up. I personally was on the fence but we learn from the examples of history and the Casey saga is a good roadmap for how not to handle Dunn at this point. If the Reds choose to keep Dunn, I'd prefer they skip the option and go right to a LTC for 3 or 4 years. Hopefully with a slightly lower base for 2008 and more years of security.

The Dunn decision is crucial to the next few years. The Reds have a few players with streaky power but there are very few guys with game changing power who are always viewed as a threat. Dunn seems to be one of those but some of his down streaks of late are concerning (not the Ks or the batting ave). If the Reds are going to win with the promising future that appears near, a day in day out power threat is a necessity IMO. If Dunn isn't kept hos moeny will be needed for a new main power source. It'll probably cost more than Dunn will.

Chip R
05-02-2007, 09:10 AM
Except it was DanO that exercised the option for 2006 at $8.5 Million. This left the Reds stuck with him for the 2005 season when it was obvious it was time to move on and forced the eventual trade for Dave Williams with the Reds paying a part of the bill.

If the option hadn't been exercised, Casey could have been dumped at the deadline in 2005 for a better return (if he was healthy at the time, I can't remember).


That option was going to vest anyway so picking it up was just a nice thing to do.

butlerbulldogs
05-02-2007, 09:19 AM
please rename the thread "Sean Casey yay or nay"

I give it a yay, class guy, he doesn't play for the reds anymore or any rivals, so i could care less what he does on the field...also, for those bashing him, who was the only Tiger hitter to really show up in the World Series last year?

westofyou
05-02-2007, 09:21 AM
please rename the thread "Sean Casey yay or nay"

How about we just leave it what I named it, that works too.

butlerbulldogs
05-02-2007, 09:27 AM
How about we just leave it what I named it, that works too.

then why don't we talk about the topic of the thread?? that would be a novel idea

westofyou
05-02-2007, 09:34 AM
then why don't we talk about the topic of the thread?? that would be a novel idea

Looks like they are, as in Sean Casey has no pop.

butlerbulldogs
05-02-2007, 09:35 AM
That option was going to vest anyway so picking it up was just a nice thing to do.

you are right :rolleyes:

15fan
05-02-2007, 10:01 AM
Looks like they are, as in Sean Casey has no pop.

To satisfy some other folks, I'll mention that Adam LaRoche started slowly last year, too. .747 OPS for April 2006. When the weather heated up, he did too - 1.043 OPS in July 2006, and a 1.239 OPS in August 2006.

KronoRed
05-02-2007, 12:46 PM
He kind of hits like Dave Williams.

Now that was a great deal :evil:

Eric_Davis
05-02-2007, 02:45 PM
I see you left Sexson's numbers off. Were they so low that they didn't even make the list? I know his two-run shot last night ended a 2-33 slump.

westofyou
05-02-2007, 02:57 PM
I see you left Sexson's numbers off. Were they so low that they didn't even make the list? I know his two-run shot last night ended a 2-33 slump.

He had a .390 + slugging % the sort was on who has the worst slugging percentage.

WebScorpion
05-04-2007, 11:19 AM
The best thing I see about that list is there are more former Reds on it than current Reds. :thumbup: Well, that and not one of those cats is on my fantasy team. :D

blumj
05-04-2007, 12:20 PM
Fun with small sample sizes-Wily Mo Pena, yesterday: .172/.273/.414, Wily Mo Pena, today: .273/.351/.515.