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LawFive
05-05-2007, 05:30 PM
Colorado

Tavares 8
Tulowitski 6
Holiday 7
Helton 3
Atkins 5
Hawpe 9
Ianetta 2
Carrol 4
Cook 1


Reds

Freel 5
Hatteberg 3
Jr 9
Phillips 4
Dunn 7
Gonzo 6
Hamilton 8
Ross 2
Harang 1

oneupper
05-05-2007, 05:31 PM
Sunday's Lineup?

Getting a Twilight Zone feeling here.

...ah quick correction. Nice recovery.

edabbs44
05-05-2007, 05:36 PM
BP cleaning up?

oneupper
05-05-2007, 05:42 PM
BP cleaning up?

I guess Jerry's back.

WVRedsFan
05-05-2007, 06:33 PM
I guess Jerry's back.

Nah, Jerry made out the lineup cards in advance.

Taking a clue from the one who say that batting order makes no difference, who cares? But I have to wonder what the rationale is for batting Phillips cleanup. Anyone got a clue?

jesusfan
05-05-2007, 06:36 PM
Why do the line-ups have to be different every game! I understand the rationale of going righty heavy against a lefty and changing your line-up. However, changing your line-up every night just for the sake of changing them is irrational to me! Makes absolutely no sense (A lot like that new Gold Star Chili Commercial) WOW! Terrible!

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 06:49 PM
Nah, Jerry made out the lineup cards in advance.

Taking a clue from the one who say that batting order makes no difference, who cares? But I have to wonder what the rationale is for batting Phillips cleanup. Anyone got a clue?

Break up the lefties.

Spring~Fields
05-05-2007, 06:51 PM
If lineups or batting orders don't matter and I read some research here on RZ to support that, then why does Narron bother changing them so frequently when it is not going to make any difference? Why not look up one of his past winning lineups that actually scored some runs and just use them?

Phillips cleanup?

Spring~Fields
05-05-2007, 06:54 PM
Nah, Jerry made out the lineup cards in advance.



Text message and cell phone for updates and double switches. ;)

SirFelixCat
05-05-2007, 06:54 PM
Gonna be a late start to the game...tarp is still on the field. They think they'll get it in, but gonna be a late one. Imma be watching the fight in HD, GB TiVO!

WMR
05-05-2007, 06:55 PM
I think Narron may have ADHD.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 07:01 PM
Text message and cell phone for updates and double switches. ;)
Baseball in the 21st century

Catch the fever!

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 07:09 PM
I'm tired of Narron his stupid lineups and his stupid managing.

pedro
05-05-2007, 07:16 PM
I'm tired of Narron his stupid lineups and his stupid managing.

I'm tired of people calling him stupid.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 07:18 PM
I'm tired of people calling him stupid.
I never said he was stupid. I'm sure he is a very intellegent man.

He's just a stupid manager.

:mooner:

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 07:21 PM
Have they given an ETA on the start of the game?

PickOff
05-05-2007, 07:22 PM
Have they given an ETA on the start of the game?

Not that I've heard, but from the looks of things 7:40 looks about right.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm glad I didn't miss anything.

Edd Roush
05-05-2007, 07:35 PM
This sucks, wanted to catch some of the game before going out, but Mother Nature is making that difficult.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 07:37 PM
I'm glad I didn't miss anything.

You've missed alot - This beach volleyball re-run they are showing for the rain delay is... :eek: :eek: :thumbup:

redhawkfish
05-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Scantily clad women playing volleyball isn't a bad idea!:D

Redlegs23
05-05-2007, 07:45 PM
I'm in Clifton and it hasn't been raining for about 10 minutes now. I'm getting impatient.

GAC
05-05-2007, 07:48 PM
BP cleaning up?

He currently leads the team in RBIs (18). It's not like the others haven't had the opportunities when they've been in that slot. ;)

RawOwl UK
05-05-2007, 07:50 PM
0:47 and im quite tired !!!!! Thought I'd stay up for the De La Hoya fight but with the rain delay its getting harder to stay awake. Supposed to be playing football at 9am in the morning as well.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2007, 07:50 PM
I'm wasting the time listening to the Cincinnati Jungle Cats on 1530.

Gotta love minor league football. :thumbup:

GAC
05-05-2007, 07:50 PM
Scantily clad women playing volleyball isn't a bad idea!:D

Would be better if they looked like women from a Russ Myer movie. :evil:

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 07:53 PM
8:10 start.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2007, 07:54 PM
8:10 start.


Bummer....fight takes priority tonight. At least I have it tivo'ing!


DeLaHoya in a late knock out, btw.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Bummer....fight takes priority tonight. At least I have it tivo'ing!


DeLaHoya in a late knock out, btw.

What time is the fight?

SirFelixCat
05-05-2007, 08:00 PM
What time is the fight?


The whole PPV event, including the undercard starts at 9pm est, but prefight stuff and company coming over starting shortly, so, meh. I get to watch the game after at least. Most anticipated fight of my (31) generation. Should be awesome!

Reds Freak
05-05-2007, 08:01 PM
Bummer....fight takes priority tonight. At least I have it tivo'ing!


DeLaHoya in a late knock out, btw.

I know there's a lot of hype for this fight and I've tried to get interested in it, but I just can't. I don't follow boxing at all but in an effort to try to "save" the sport, wouldn't it have been smart to put the fight on regular TV?

RawOwl UK
05-05-2007, 08:04 PM
Amazed the fight isnt PPV over here.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:04 PM
The whole PPV event, including the undercard starts at 9pm est, but prefight stuff and company coming over starting shortly, so, meh. I get to watch the game after at least. Most anticipated fight of my (31) generation. Should be awesome!

I only watch these things when i'm out somewhere that has them on. But I knew about the Ortiz/Liddell and made sure I showed up to Hooters to watch it....

I'm sure they'll have this fight on - just rather enjoy the Reds game.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2007, 08:05 PM
I know there's a lot of hype for this fight and I've tried to get interested in it, but I just can't. I don't follow boxing at all but in an effort to try to "save" the sport, wouldn't it have been smart to put the fight on regular TV?


They expect 1.4 Million ppl to get this fight at $50 a pop ($65 for HD)...


Seems pretty obvious. And, I don't pay for fights normally, but this ones too big to miss, imo.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:07 PM
He currently leads the team in RBIs (18).

He should considering he leads the team in at bats with runners on base.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2007, 08:10 PM
He should considering he leads the team in at bats with runners on base.

BTW, for the record:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4026/kronoet5.jpg

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:12 PM
BTW, for the record:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4026/kronoet5.jpg


LOL

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:13 PM
Quick 2 outs.

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:14 PM
He should considering he leads the team in at bats with runners on base.

Welll... don't you want to give those players who produce the most A/Bs in a game? ;)


Chat is open

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:14 PM
Jeff Brantley thinks Ryan Freel is a good defensive 3rd baseman.

LOL

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
And here comes the bashing.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Welll... don't you want to give those players who produce the most A/Bs in a game? ;)


Chat is open

Personally I'd give the guy with 2 less rbis in 10 less chances and more power and OBP the nod, but I'm no manager ;)

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
What a stupid error by Jr in RF. Basic fielding defense Jr..... get your body in front of the ball just in case.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:16 PM
Griffey is a brutal RFer.

Error #4 or 5 for him.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:16 PM
That was just lazy. He didn't get in front of it. Just like jogging to 2B and getting thrown out at 3rd last night.

Tom Servo
05-05-2007, 08:17 PM
So what is the deal with Mountain Man Helton?

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Griffey is a brutal fielder.

There ya go.

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Personally I'd give the guy with 2 less rbis in 10 less chances and more power and OBP the nod, but I'm no manager ;)

But he's been there and still has 2 less RBIs. ;)

MrCinatit
05-05-2007, 08:17 PM
Nice play by Hamilton! I thought he missed it!

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:17 PM
nice catch Josh to end the inning

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Woah! Hambone saves the day!

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Nice play by Hamilton! I thought he missed it!

I thought it hit the ground and skipped in... But it was a clean snow cone.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:19 PM
Thank you Josh.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:19 PM
But he's been there and still has 2 less RBIs. ;)

10 less at bats.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:20 PM
LaRue just went yard.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:21 PM
LaRue just went yard.
Over the mendoza line yet?

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:21 PM
I say we move to the AL, trade with the Indians.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:22 PM
Hatte singles.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Junior is on FYAH!

1st and 2nd for your cleanup man, Brandon Phillips.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:24 PM
Over the mendoza line yet?


The line...
___________________________________

Larue

:bang:

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:25 PM
It'd be nice if Phillips swung at balls actually in the zone.

Cook has yet to throw a strike.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
The Big Boy up and no where to put him....

Of course... He isn't a run producer - Per Marty.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
Bases juiced for Dunn

peterose00
05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
One aspect of krivskyand narron that I do nort agree with is how they are quick to elevate moves they have been associated with to a high level. Cae in point, Brandon phillips is hitting clean-up for us tonight.

I am a fan of phillips, but he is not a clean up hitter on a contending club.

No way .

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
BP walks.
Bases CRUNK.
Dunn up.
1 out.

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
10 less at bats.

But what about opportunities with RISP?

Well..... #44 follows BP and gets his shot now with bases loaded.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:27 PM
Damnit I thought that one was out of there!

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:27 PM
Nearly a shot....

peterose00
05-05-2007, 08:27 PM
WOW -- he crushed that ball -- foul

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
Ground out RBI for Dunn

MrCinatit
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
There we are - proof that if you actually make contact instead of swinging for the fences all of the time, things can happen. Easy ground ball - but it is booted and the run comes in.

peterose00
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
Lucky there -- that was 4 - 6 - 3 all over it

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
Lucky there.... that was a tailor made DP ball.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
Nearly a Casey Play - But thats why you run all the time.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:28 PM
No sac fly?

Ugh. ;)

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Gonzo grounds out to short. 3 outs

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Should have gotten more then 1 there, but it's still 1.

1-0 Reds

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:30 PM
I'm really tired of these De La Hoya Mayweather commercials. At that note I hope De La Hoya wins

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 08:30 PM
But what about opportunities with RISP?

Well..... #44 follows BP and gets his shot now with bases loaded.

5 less at bats.

and if RISP is the measuring stick then it should be EE, more RBI's in less at bats then Phillips
:D

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:32 PM
Fly out to Hamilton 1 out

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:33 PM
2nd strikeout of the night for Harang. 2 outs

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Swear the ball was in Ross's mitt when that guy swung.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:35 PM
Another triple to right oy

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:36 PM
He's worse then Dunn out there.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:36 PM
JR is human.... Whats new?

CrackerJack
05-05-2007, 08:37 PM
I would think that'd be an error on Jr.

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:37 PM
Give him a break. It's not that hard to easily switch positions. Even for Jr.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:37 PM
Another strikeout for Harang. 3 outs.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:37 PM
JR is human.... Whats new?
What?

He's a butcher in RF, just as he had become in CF.

He's a bad fielder now a days.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Nice job by Aaron.

Red in Chicago
05-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Give him a break. It's not that hard to easily switch positions. Even for Jr.

thank you gac...people are so critical of the guy, it's unbelievable...

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Give him a break. It's not that hard to easily switch positions. Even for Jr.

http://www.announceitsweetly.com/images/KitKat%20bar.gif

PickOff
05-05-2007, 08:39 PM
Jr. just looks scared out there to me - and for good reason, all the injuries he's had.

pedro
05-05-2007, 08:39 PM
What?

He's a butcher in RF, just as he had become in CF.

He's a bad fielder now a days.

He was never a butcher in CF. He just had no range.

He's having some real problems in RF though. I think he'll get better as the year goes on. He's too talented not to.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:40 PM
Hamilton triples!

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:40 PM
Hambone is just that good

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:42 PM
What?

He's a butcher in RF, just as he had become in CF.

Oh he is not. You think it's that easy, even for Jr, to walk over in RF from CF and pick it up? You have to learn/remember how to play balls differently.

But he is no butcher.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:43 PM
Ross strikes out what a surprise. 1 out

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:43 PM
a meaningless K for ross.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Harang strikes out. 2 outs.

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:45 PM
thank you gac...people are so critical of the guy, it's unbelievable...

a bad play is a bad play,,,,,,,,,who cares what excuse there is?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Freel singles in Hamilton.

2-0 Reds

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Mr. Scrappy slaps a single into right.

2-0 Reds.

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:46 PM
Oh he is not. You think it's that easy, even for Jr, to walk over in RF from CF and pick it up? You have to learn/remember how to play balls differently.

But he is no butcher.

Jr is a below average RFer...

Red in Chicago
05-05-2007, 08:46 PM
a bad play is a bad play,,,,,,,,,who cares what excuse there is?

wasn't bad enough to be called a butcher

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Nice job by Freel picking up Ross.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Anyone else having problems with posting? Seems to be longer then normal to me.

The Baumer
05-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Ryan "Scrappyfish" Freel is becoming my new favorite player!

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:47 PM
Freel steals 2nd.

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:48 PM
wasn't bad enough to be called a butcher

it couldve been caught.....for most RFers it wouldve been caught...

What is the defintion of butchered???

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:48 PM
Hatte flys out to left. 3 outs

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:50 PM
Nice job by Freel picking up Ross.

yes...this might be the good guys' night.....then Bronson goes tomorrow

WVRedsFan
05-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Would be better if they looked like women from a Russ Myer movie. :evil:


Most of these guys don't even know who Russ Meyer was. But I remember!!! Nice thought.:cool:

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Cook doubles. I thought it was a homer.

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:51 PM
warning track power.....

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:52 PM
yes...this might be the good guys' night.....then Bronson goes tomorrow
Really need to win this series and get back to a game under.

Gotta win tonight first, only the 3rd inning.

KYRed
05-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Cook has had an interesting season of starts. He only has one decision, a loss, in 6 prior starts. This is despite two spectacular starts, two other quality starts, and two very poor starts.

He didn't pick up a win after pitching 9 inn. w/ 1 run and 7 shutout innings. Then he picked up his loss in one of his two other quality starts. He gave up 3runs in 6 inn. in both games. Then he avoided a decision in both starts where he gave up 5 runs apiece.

What's it mean for tonight? Probably not much, except that Cook's starts have been all over the map and he hasn't gotten decisions to show it.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Bunt single by Willie. 1st and 3rd

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:53 PM
Jr is a below average RFer...

Can you show that since he's only been in the position, and is still trying to settle into it and adjust to the move? Or is that just your subjective opinion?

Everyone complained they wanted him moved from CF to RF...well they did, and it was the right move... and people still don't let up on the guy.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:54 PM
Can you show that since he's only been in the position, and is still trying to settle into it and adjust to the move? Or is that just your subjective opinion?

Everyone complained they wanted him moved from CF to RF...well they did, and it was the right move... and people still don't let up on the guy.
It still was the right move, and he's still awful in RF.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:55 PM
Tulo strikes out. 1 out

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:55 PM
the more of phillips that I see, the lower I think his ceiling is....

Harang is a joy to watch in these tight spots...he's the real deal

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm curious as to how Phillips got caught with his pants down there, when Taveras tried to bunt on the pitch right before.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:56 PM
It still was the right move, and he's still awful in RF.

Would you rather have an awful center fielder or an awful right fielder?

Red in Chicago
05-05-2007, 08:56 PM
It still was the right move, and he's still awful in RF.

um, he didn't get many games in during spring training and he's not played that much so far this season...it's awefully easy to critique from your computer chair;)

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:56 PM
A stolen base for the Rockies

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 08:56 PM
Would you rather have an awful center fielder or an awful right fielder?
An awful RFer, which is why it was the right move to move him there.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Holliday grounds out to 3rd. A run scores. 2 0uts

2-1 Reds

jojo
05-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Can you show that since he's only been in the position, and is still trying to settle into it and adjust to the move? Or is that just your subjective opinion?

Everyone complained they wanted him moved from CF to RF...well they did, and it was the right move... and people still don't let up on the guy.

I wanted him at first....TWO years ago....

Players don't go from being the worst CFer i the majors to being even average in RF, especially at Jr's age and when his biggest problem is a dramatic lack of range

GAC
05-05-2007, 08:59 PM
It still was the right move, and he's still awful in RF.

Well... you've moved up from butcher to awful; but can you prove that?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 08:59 PM
Infield single by Helton

2-2

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:00 PM
This team cannot stand prosperity

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:01 PM
Well... you've moved up from butcher to awful; but can you prove that?
4 errors in how many chances?

He has below average range for a RFer.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:01 PM
If someone covered first this could still be a 2-0 game.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:01 PM
Atkins flys out to Hamilton. 3 outs

Red in Chicago
05-05-2007, 09:02 PM
4 errors in how many chances?

He has below average range for a RFer.

errors don't matter and neither do k's;)

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:03 PM
errors don't matter
Say what?

jojo
05-05-2007, 09:03 PM
Well... you've moved up from butcher to awful; but can you prove that?

get mlb tv and watch some good RFers.....

jojo
05-05-2007, 09:05 PM
If someone covered first this could still be a 2-0 game.

yes.....thats why ERA is pretty flawed

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:05 PM
I wanted him at first....TWO years ago....

Players don't go from being the worst CFer i the majors to being even average in RF, especially at Jr's age and when his biggest problem is a dramatic lack of range

But you don't need the range in RF as you do in CF. CF is a far harder and more demanding position. Where has he not been getting to balls in RF? He misplayed one tonight, and IMO, that's from inexperience/unfamiliarity in the position, not lack of range.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:05 PM
3000th Post and Griffey singles to center

chisdad
05-05-2007, 09:06 PM
You guys are just mad because you can't carry Griffey's jock.:angry:

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:06 PM
Great hitting by KGJ.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:06 PM
BP grounds into a Casey

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
But you don't need the range in RF as you do in CF. CF is a far harder and more demanding position. Where has he not been getting to balls in RF? He misplayed one tonight, and IMO, that's from inexperience/unfamiliarity in the position, not lack of range.
Did you see the one in Houston last week?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
You guys are just mad because you can't carry Griffey's jock.:angry:

Testify!

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
Now that's what I'm used to from a clean up hitter :help:

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
I'd still rather see Edwin hitting cleanup then Phillips.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
You guys are just mad because you can't carry Griffey's jock.:angry:

I wouldn't want to carry another mans jock.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:07 PM
I'd still rather see Edwin hitting cleanup then Phillips.

The numbers agree.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:08 PM
Dunn walks

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:08 PM
You guys are just mad because you can't carry Griffey's jock.:angry:

Yeah, that's it.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:08 PM
BP grounds into a Casey

He will lead the team in GIDP by the end of the season.

jojo
05-05-2007, 09:08 PM
But you don't need the range in RF as you do in CF. CF is a far harder and more demanding position. Where has he not been getting to balls in RF? He misplayed one tonight, and IMO, that's from inexperience/unfamiliarity in the position, not lack of range.

like I said....watch some good ones and we'll talk

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Cook wanted no part of Dunn.

With Gonzo and Ross behind 4sq, who can blame him?

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Gonzo will make him pay.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:10 PM
Gonzo pops up to short. 3 outs

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:10 PM
Did you see the one in Houston last week?

You make an overall evaluation on a guy's performance on 1 game? Wow!

Did you see some of EE's this year.... like last night's gem? ;)

Is he a butcher at 3B?

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:11 PM
like I said....watch some good ones and we'll talk

I've watched every game this year, and I have seen some solid plays by Jr in RF.

jojo
05-05-2007, 09:12 PM
I've watched every game this year, and I have seen some solid plays by Jr in RF.

i suppose Jr does look good compared to himself.... :p:

Kc61
05-05-2007, 09:12 PM
The numbers agree.

What numbers are those?

Phillips is not a cleanup hitter. I like him at seventh actually. But what exactly has EE done recently? What great numbers does he have?

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:13 PM
You make an overall evaluation on a guy's performance on 1 game? Wow!
What? Where did I even come close to saying that?


Where has he not been getting to balls in RF?
You asked, I answered.

Griffey has been flat out awful in RF. Go ahead and make all the excuses you want, but he's be horrible. Maybe he'll get better (and I doubt he's ever going to be a good RFer) maybe he won't.

He is killing the ball right now though.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:14 PM
Fly out to Hamilton 1 out

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:14 PM
You make an overall evaluation on a guy's performance on 1 game? Wow!

Did you see some of EE's this year.... like last night's gem? ;)

Is he a butcher at 3B?
First of all, Edwin has much better range at 3rd base.
2nd of all, they both have 4 errors, and I bet Edwin's had many more chances.

Edwin's a better 3rd baseman then Junior is a right fielder, that's for sure.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:15 PM
Strikeout. 2 outs

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:16 PM
What numbers are those?

Phillips is not a cleanup hitter. I like him at seventh actually. But what exactly has EE done recently? What great numbers does he have?

Most RBI's with RISP:D

Kc61
05-05-2007, 09:17 PM
First of all, Edwin has much better range at 3rd base.
2nd of all, they both have 4 errors, and I bet Edwin's had many more chances.

Edwin's a better 3rd baseman then Junior is a right fielder, that's for sure.


Let's try not to discuss EE and Jr. in the same sentence. Griffey is changing positions and has played almost 20 years and has slowed down. Even so, he is still the best hitter on this team. EE is hitting about .220 and continues to make throwing errors. Range is great, but it is hard to win with high error infielders.

Petitt33
05-05-2007, 09:17 PM
Hey Thom, Vandy did not go to a bowl game, pal.

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:18 PM
Hey Thom, Vandy did not go to a bowl game, pal.

Not since 1982

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Single to right

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:19 PM
What? Where did I even come close to saying that?

You put forth the game in Houston last week as evidence he is an awful RFer.



Griffey has been flat out awful in RF. Go ahead and make all the excuses you want, but he's be horrible. Maybe he'll get better (and I doubt he's ever going to be a good RFer) maybe he won't.

All I'm asking is for you to show me stats/numbers that prove Jr is an awful RFer, cost us games this year by being in RF.... and not simply a subjective opinion. ;)

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Let's try not to discuss EE and Jr. in the same sentence. Griffey is changing positions and has played almost 20 years and has slowed down. Even so, he is still the best hitter on this team. EE is hitting about .220 and continues to make throwing errors. Range is great, but it is hard to win with high error infielders.
I don't believe I brought him into the convo.

If EE's 4 errors in the infield are bad, what are Griffey's 4 outfield errors?

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:21 PM
You put forth the game in Houston last week as evidence he is an awful RFer.




All I'm asking is for you to show me stats/numbers that prove Jr is an awful RFer, cost us games this year by being in RF.... and not simply a subjective opinion. ;)
He has 4 errors
He's an outfielder
It's may, and he missed about 10 games.

4 errors in like 20 games for an right fielder is epically bad.

And he still has no range.

I used the Houston game to show he had no range. I could have caught the ball that fell in front of him.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:21 PM
Cook strikes out. 6 K's for Harang. 3 outs

Kc61
05-05-2007, 09:25 PM
I don't believe I brought him into the convo.

If EE's 4 errors in the infield are bad, what are Griffey's 4 outfield errors?

They are bad. He looks terrible out there. But based on 20 years of Hall of Fame play, I think Griffey will adjust. Or will make up for it with hitting.

As for EE, I hope he gets on track but somehow the guy just doesn't inspire confidence. I look at the Rockies shortstop, Tulowitsky, whatever, and I see a young guy ready to contribute. Hamilton too. Not finished products, but seem to know what they are doing.

EE concerns me. His bat has been off for sometime. He does better with routine plays, but has a lot of trouble throwing after charging the ball. Right now, I like the lineup with Freel at third and Hamilton in center.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:25 PM
Hamilton singles to center

Red in Chicago
05-05-2007, 09:25 PM
He has 4 errors
He's an outfielder
It's may, and he missed about 10 games.

4 errors in like 20 games for an right fielder is epically bad.

And he still has no range.

I used the Houston game to show he had no range. I could have caught the ball that fell in front of him.

pokey reese once had three errors in one game:laugh:

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:26 PM
Ross sac bunts and Hamilton goes to 2nd.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:26 PM
They are bad. He looks terrible out there. But based on 20 years of Hall of Fame play, I think Griffey will adjust. Or will make up for it with hitting.

As for EE, I hope he gets on track but somehow the guy just doesn't inspire confidence. I look at the Rockies shortstop, Tulowitsky, whatever, and I see a young guy ready to contribute. Hamilton too. Not finished products, but seem to know what they are doing.

EE concerns me. His bat has been off for sometime. He does better with routine plays, but has a lot of trouble throwing after charging the ball. Right now, I like the lineup with Freel at third and Hamilton in center.
Freel has 2 errors in about 4 games at 3rd base.

He's terrible at 3rd.

EE was a beast last year when he actually got to play. He's proven more then Hamilton and Tuliwinski combined at this level. He's younger then both too.

Puffy
05-05-2007, 09:27 PM
Helton's foot was not on the bag there. Much worse than Hatteberg last night

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:27 PM
A defender would have to drop dead and lay on the ball for Ross to get an infield hit.

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:27 PM
If EE's 4 errors in the infield are bad, what are Griffey's 4 outfield errors?

That's what I am asking you? :mooner:

Is EE awful or a butcher at 3B?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:27 PM
Hamilton steals 3rd!

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:28 PM
Harang strikes out

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:28 PM
That's what I am asking you? :mooner:
OMGbad?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:29 PM
Freel singles in another run!

3-2 Reds

Kc61
05-05-2007, 09:30 PM
Freel has 2 errors in about 4 games at 3rd base.

He's terrible at 3rd.

EE was a beast last year when he actually got to play. He's proven more then Hamilton and Tuliwinski combined at this level. He's younger then both too.

Glad Freel is out there tonight, with two clutch hits, instead of the beast.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:30 PM
Farney with another 2 out RBI.

Atta boy.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2007, 09:30 PM
Freel's RISPY.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:31 PM
Hatte walks

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Glad Freel is out there tonight, with two clutch hits, instead of the beast.
As am I.

However, Freel's OBP is what now? .335? I doubt that is much better then Edwin's. And Freel has 3 RBIs now?

I'd take Edwin over Freel 100 times out of 100.

Freel's having a good night tonight. Edwin's had them too, even this year.

Freel has two clutch hits tonight. Who was the Reds most clutch hitter last year? Edwin. Who led the Reds in RBI per AB last year? Edwin.

It's the 5th of May. I'm not ready to call Edwin trash yet. Not even close. He's on a 5 game hitting streak, btw.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Griffey flys out in foul territory 3 outs

GAC
05-05-2007, 09:39 PM
As am I.

However, Freel's OBP is what now? .335? I doubt that is much better then Edwin's.

EE's OB% is .293 and OPSing .560. Not good.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:39 PM
7th strike out in the game for Harang. 1 out

NDRed
05-05-2007, 09:40 PM
98 pitches for Harang.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:41 PM
98 pitches for Harang.
Heavy dose of the pen tonight.


Joy.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:41 PM
Tulo flys out to right. 2 outs

kaldaniels
05-05-2007, 09:41 PM
98 pitches for Harang.

Ummm...for someone just tuning in....how does Harang have 100 pitches thru 4.1 innings.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Holliday strikes out. 8 K's for Harang

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Ummm...for someone just tuning in....how does Harang have 100 pitches thru 4.1 innings.
20 batters face
9 first pitch strikes
7 Ks

He's been battling down in the count all night.

Caveat Emperor
05-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Ummm...for someone just tuning in....how does Harang have 100 pitches thru 4.1 innings.

Combination of bad defense and a couple of long 8/9 pitch ABs for a few Colorado hitters.

It really shows what a pesky AB can do to a starter -- take 9-10 pitches and you basically eat up 10% of a starter's game to get him to record 1 out.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2007, 09:44 PM
Definitely needed more from Harang tonight.

Not exactly a "stopper" performance.

Though it's not all that surprising; the Rox and the Reds are two very similar teams--some interesting bits and pieces but not anywhere near contention.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:45 PM
BP grounds out to short

chisdad
05-05-2007, 09:46 PM
Why is BP in the :eek: 4 hole?

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:47 PM
Dunn flys out to shallow center

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:47 PM
Gonzo pops up to short 3 outs

NDRed
05-05-2007, 09:48 PM
Cook has 85 pitches

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:50 PM
Harang stays in

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:51 PM
Helton walks

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Atkins almost homers. Ground rule double I guess

KronoRed
05-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Get the pen going

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Helton walks

Trying to stretch him further because of the bullpen.

:thumbdown

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:54 PM
117 pitches.

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:54 PM
That was a manly single

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Coffey warming up

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Should have never been out here for this inning.

Narron ball.

chisdad
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
Just wanted to say Narron stinks!

NDRed
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
117 pitches for Harang

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
He leaves him in.

Wow.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
Should have never been out here for this inning.

Narron ball.

The starters will get used longer than they should because of the bullpen.

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
As much as I dislike JN, he is in a no win situation here.

Aronchis
05-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Harang did not pitch a overly effective ballgame tonight. Seemed to have the stuff but battled keeping it down.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Lets see if he can get up to 150 pitches by the 8th.

Degenerate39
05-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Hawpe singles in 2 runs.

4-3 Rockies

And I think I might turn the channel now

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:56 PM
pen would have done the same or worse

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha.

Worst.
Manager.
Ever.

Congrats Narron.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Hawpe singles in 2 runs.

4-3 Rockies

And I think I might turn the channel now

Should be 3-2 Reds but the invisible man didn't have a glove at firstbase in the 3rd inning.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:57 PM
pen would have done the same or worse
Worse? There's still nobody out.

Marc D
05-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Worse? There's still nobody out.


he didn't homer

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Should be 3-2 Reds but the invisible man didn't have a glove at firstbase in the 3rd inning.
Or if the invisible manager knows how to actually manage a game.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 09:58 PM
pen would have done the same or worse

I would rather the bullpen blow it then leave one of the Reds top starters in for 120 pitches in just over 5 innings.

jfar23
05-05-2007, 09:58 PM
Coffey in again, how much longer until Coffey's arm falls off?

Marc D
05-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Bad News Bears

jfar23
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
This team is just awful.

CTA513
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
Loss #1 for Harang.

Joseph
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
This hurts to watch.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
13-17.

Marc D
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
For such a well managed team they sure do struggle with the fundamentals

CTA513
05-05-2007, 10:01 PM
Coffey in again, how much longer until Coffey's arm falls off?

If his arm fell of they would just duct tape it back on and use him tomorrow.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2007, 10:02 PM
This isn't Narron's fault. It's a rotation that's not very good, so when one of the "anchors" gets kicked around a bit, it becomes far more disappointing and disconcerting.

One of these days the FO will realize that they can't just pay lip service to fixing this rotation; they'll actually have to do it.

jmac
05-05-2007, 10:02 PM
Coffey in again, how much longer until Coffey's arm falls off?

How much time till he visits Louisville ?

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 10:02 PM
http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Waterboy&quote=ohnowesuckagain.txt&file=ohnowesuckagain.wav

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 10:02 PM
It's ok guys, Wayne will sit on his hands some more.

These are his guys.

Aronchis
05-05-2007, 10:03 PM
The Reds may be the worst team in baseball right now.
1.EE isn't hitting
2.Harang isn't pitching well
3.Coffey isn't pitching well
4.Rest of the chaff.

Marc D
05-05-2007, 10:03 PM
We got an out!!

CTA513
05-05-2007, 10:03 PM
This isn't Narron's fault. It's a rotation that's not very good, so when one of the "anchors" gets kicked around a bit, it becomes far more disappointing and disconcerting.

One of these days the FO will realize that they can't just pay lip service to fixing this rotation; they'll actually have to do it.

The bullpen is the thing that needs to be fixed.

Jefferson24
05-05-2007, 10:04 PM
I fell like it's a see ya next year kind of deal at this point. This season is down the drain. Lets hope next year we have some better pitching and better management.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 10:05 PM
7 games behind the Brewers.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2007, 10:06 PM
The bullpen is the thing that needs to be fixed.

Sure, every house wants AC; trouble is, you first have to pour the foundation, nail the lumber, and lay the shingles.

Puig Your Red
05-05-2007, 10:07 PM
Sure, every house wants AC; trouble is, you first have to pour the foundation, nail the lumber, and lay the shingles.
Our cardboard box would be alot more comfortable with some heat/AC.