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texasdave
05-11-2007, 04:22 PM
PITCHER INNINGS 3BF %3BF 4/5BF %4/5BF 6+BF %6+BF
HARANG 48 23 0.48 14 0.29 11 0.23
ARROYO 46 23 0.50 20 0.43 3 0.07

PITCHER 3BFRS 4/5BFRS 6+BFRS
HARANG 0.00 0.29 1.82
ARROYO 0.00 0.30 1.33



I have always felt that Aaron Harang was susceptible to big innings. When he gets into trouble it tends to be quickly. Whether this is because he loses his stuff quickly, loses focus, is less effective out of the stretch or simply does not know how to work out of jams I am not sure. These are his numbers in 2007 compared with Bronson Arroyo. Granted this is not the greatest sample size. But it is 1/4 of the season. In innings that they both start and finish both pitchers retire the side facing the minimum 3 batters about 50 percent of the time. It is when runners get on that we start to see a difference. In innings in which AH does not retire the side in the minimum 3 batters he has much more trouble limiting the damage than BA. He allows 11 of 25 such innings get to at least 6 batters. That is 44%. BA allows only 3 of 23 such innings to get to at least 6 batters. This is 13% of the time. Additionally Aaron allows more runners to score in these big innings. In the intermediate innings (4/5 batters faced) both pitchers allow runs to score at about the same rate. Aaron Harang allows .29 runs to score in such innings; Bronson Arroyo allows .30 runs. But in big innings once again there is a marked difference. In such innings BA limits the damage to 1.33 runs per inning; while AH allows 1.82. Bronson simply has been giving up fewer big innings as well as limiting the damage per big inning than Aaron.

Ltlabner
05-11-2007, 05:19 PM
Very interesting stuff. My perception was that it was the exact oppisate. I've always viewed Harrang as the guy who could keep us in a game, even when he's off his game, and BA as the guy who would give up big innings if he was off.

redsupport
05-11-2007, 05:36 PM
I think he is wriigghte

Screwball
05-11-2007, 05:44 PM
PITCHER INNINGS 3BF %3BF 4/5BF %4/5BF 6+BF %6+BF
HARANG 48 23 0.48 14 0.29 11 0.23
ARROYO 46 23 0.50 20 0.43 3 0.07

PITCHER 3BFRS 4/5BFRS 6+BFRS
HARANG 0.00 0.29 1.82
ARROYO 0.00 0.30 1.33



I have always felt that Aaron Harang was susceptible to big innings. When he gets into trouble it tends to be quickly. Whether this is because he loses his stuff quickly, loses focus, is less effective out of the stretch or simply does not know how to work out of jams I am not sure. These are his numbers in 2007 compared with Bronson Arroyo. Granted this is not the greatest sample size. But it is 1/4 of the season. In innings that they both start and finish both pitchers retire the side facing the minimum 3 batters about 50 percent of the time. It is when runners get on that we start to see a difference. In innings in which AH does not retire the side in the minimum 3 batters he has much more trouble limiting the damage than BA. He allows 11 of 25 such innings get to at least 6 batters. That is 44%. BA allows only 3 of 23 such innings to get to at least 6 batters. This is 13% of the time. Additionally Aaron allows more runners to score in these big innings. In the intermediate innings (4/5 batters faced) both pitchers allow runs to score at about the same rate. Aaron Harang allows .29 runs to score in such innings; Bronson Arroyo allows .30 runs. But in big innings once again there is a marked difference. In such innings BA limits the damage to 1.33 runs per inning; while AH allows 1.82. Bronson simply has been giving up fewer big innings as well as limiting the damage per big inning than Aaron.

I blame Narron and the bullpen. Oh, and Krivsky too somehow.

Aronchis
05-11-2007, 05:49 PM
Harang should be sent down to AAA.

MississippiRed
05-11-2007, 06:00 PM
TexasDave,

This is interesting reading. I was suprised by it a little, but not too much.

I looked at Baseball Prospectus for this info, but couldn't find it. I am a relative newbie on that site, I admit. Would you mind sharing where you found this? I would like to compare these two on their 2006 stats, which would eliminate most sample size concerns.

CTA513
05-11-2007, 07:16 PM
I blame Narron and the bullpen. Oh, and Krivsky too somehow.

I blame Harang and Arroyo for Narron, the bullpen and Krivsky.

Redsland
05-11-2007, 07:57 PM
texasdave, you may want to post this in ORG, where people smarter than I (and others) can discuss it under less noisy circumstances.