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Grounds_Crew
05-13-2007, 07:14 PM
Quoted from the Dodgers TV play by play announcer during the Sunday afternoon game.

Wow, he found a wonderful way to describe the way the Reds are playing. To be honest with you, I'm so fed up with the way the team never finds ways to be consistent and win ballgames. I'm 26 years old and the Reds have done something productive once in my lifetime. I wonder what it's like to be a fan of a team that knows how to win. I don't remember what that feels like. In fact, I'm looking forward to football season and can't wait to walk into Paul Brown Stadium on the Monday Night opener.

Guys like Griffey deserve a championship, the city of Cincinnati deserves a championship...and most of all, the fans of this team NEED to see some kind of positive production from this team. I don't want to point fingers and name blame. I'm going to look at it as a collective effort. Ironically enough though, Junior is healthy and having a great year so far. The team, however, is less than impressive by any means.

Sorry guys, I just had to rant a little.

Carry on.

peterose00
05-13-2007, 07:15 PM
Quoted from the Dodgers TV play by play announcer during the Sunday afternoon game.

Wow, he found a wonderful way to describe the way the Reds are playing. To be honest with you, I'm so fed up with the way the team never finds ways to be consistent and win ballgames. I'm 26 years old and the Reds have done something productive once in my lifetime. I wonder what it's like to be a fan of a team that knows how to win. I don't remember what that feels like. In fact, I'm looking forward to football season and can't wait to walk into Paul Brown Stadium on the Monday Night opener.

Guys like Griffey deserve a championship, the city of Cincinnati deserves a championship...and most of all, the fans of this team NEED to see some kind of positive production from this team. I don't want to point fingers and name blame. I'm going to look at it as a collective effort. Ironically enough though, Junior is healthy and having a great year so far. The team, however, is less than impressive by any means.

Sorry guys, I just had to rant a little.

Carry on.

That is exactly what I thought when I heard that as well.

Grounds_Crew
05-13-2007, 07:34 PM
When tied after 7 innings, the Reds are 0-5. Wow, impressive.


Lost 9 of last 11.

Lost 8 straight against the Dodgers.



"Jerry Narron is wearing the weight of the World on his shoulders"

peterose00
05-13-2007, 07:36 PM
When tied after 7 innings, the Reds are 0-5. Wow, impressive.


Lost 9 of last 11.

Lost 8 straight against the Dodgers.



"Jerry Narron is wearing the weight of the World on his shoulders"

It all points to a bullpen that isn't doing the job.

Grounds_Crew
05-13-2007, 08:00 PM
This is a train wreck. I'm going to cancel my MLB.tv subscription if this keeps up. It's not worth $20/month to see the bullpen blow more games. I know what's going to happen ahead of time.

Screwball
05-13-2007, 09:10 PM
Scully also had another gem at the end of today's game (paraphrasing)...

"If you can think of a bad thing to happen to a baseball team, it's probably happened to the Cincinnati Reds this year."

Couple a miserable bullpen with some nasty venom from the baseball gods, and you just figured out a way to go on a season-killing losing streak. It's a shame too - basbeall season sux when your team is already out of it in May.

captainmorgan07
05-13-2007, 09:21 PM
i agree with grounds crew whole heartedly

mth123
05-13-2007, 09:22 PM
This team was out of it in December. Some just weren't paying enouigh attention or allowed the Hamilton surprise to influence their thinking too much.

berryluther
05-13-2007, 10:11 PM
I had hopes this team would compete on the belief that the division would be weak and we had decent pitching. LOL well the brewers are off to a great start and our bullpen is just as horrible as it was 2 years ago.

Looking forward to the trade deadline now. Krivs isnt going to do any trading until the price is at its peak. Hopefully we will get to see some young guys after the AS Break.

WVRedsFan
05-13-2007, 10:17 PM
Quoted from the Dodgers TV play by play announcer during the Sunday afternoon game.

Wow, he found a wonderful way to describe the way the Reds are playing. To be honest with you, I'm so fed up with the way the team never finds ways to be consistent and win ballgames. I'm 26 years old and the Reds have done something productive once in my lifetime. I wonder what it's like to be a fan of a team that knows how to win. I don't remember what that feels like. In fact, I'm looking forward to football season and can't wait to walk into Paul Brown Stadium on the Monday Night opener.

Guys like Griffey deserve a championship, the city of Cincinnati deserves a championship...and most of all, the fans of this team NEED to see some kind of positive production from this team. I don't want to point fingers and name blame. I'm going to look at it as a collective effort. Ironically enough though, Junior is healthy and having a great year so far. The team, however, is less than impressive by any means.

Sorry guys, I just had to rant a little.

Carry on.
Isn't it funny that the most maligned player on the roster, one Ken Griffey Jr., is carrying this team, batting near .340?

WVRedsFan
05-13-2007, 10:20 PM
It all points to a bullpen that isn't doing the job.

that's an over generalization. pr00. This team has enough problems to fill a few legal pads. Our defense is ad. Our starting pitching has been iffy as of late. Of course, the bullpen is really bad. This is not a very good team with a poor front office and field management that doesn't have the answers.

IOW's, a train wreck.

Grounds_Crew
05-13-2007, 10:59 PM
The Reds have become the Bengals of the 90's decade. Well, maybe not THAT bad, but it sure feels like it, doesnt it?

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2007, 12:37 AM
The front office spent the majority of the offseason putting together a broadcast team and nothing else. That kind of thinking is why we are in last place.

edabbs44
05-14-2007, 12:38 AM
Isn't it funny that the most maligned player on the roster, one Ken Griffey Jr., is carrying this team, batting near .340?

Sell high...one pulled hammy from Grif and this season does what many think is impossible. It gets worse.

GoGoWhiteSox
05-14-2007, 12:47 AM
The Reds have become the Bengals of the 90's decade. Well, maybe not THAT bad, but it sure feels like it, doesnt it?
Nowhere close. The Reds would have to lose 100 games 2 or 3 times in order for it to be THAT bad.

reds1869
05-14-2007, 12:51 AM
On the plus side we're only two games out of second place. :bang:

peterose00
05-14-2007, 01:10 AM
On the plus side we're only two games out of second place. :bang:

That is why it is a 162 game season. As bad as it seems right now, we are one good week from being back from last and two good weeks could put us right back near "shooting distance" from the Brewers.

Edd Roush
05-14-2007, 01:39 AM
That is why it is a 162 game season. As bad as it seems right now, we are one good week from being back from last and two good weeks could put us right back near "shooting distance" from the Brewers.

We may be within shooting distance, but it sure sucks to not even have a gun.

Spring~Fields
05-14-2007, 01:40 AM
This team was out of it in December. Some just weren't paying enouigh attention or allowed the Hamilton surprise to influence their thinking too much.

Yes, and yes I was paying attention to your research and several others over the winter I knew you guys were right, but I was silly enough to be hopeful. I have to learn to be more objective and less subjective and emotional I guess.

DannyB
05-14-2007, 07:42 AM
How about this one?
" Everybody knows he is a dead fastball hitter"
After Coffey threw 2 fastballs to Olmedo Saenz

redsmetz
05-14-2007, 08:28 AM
This team was out of it in December. Some just weren't paying enouigh attention or allowed the Hamilton surprise to influence their thinking too much.

I continue to disagree with that assertion. Frankly, aside from the bullpen woes, this team has the ability to win it. I think Griffey put it best in this morning's paper when he said "we're going through a baseball hell" - We have excellent starting pitching, something we've lacked for a number of years. This lineup is a decent lineup with only small holes. Sadly too often the offense and the starting pitching has not always been in sync.

I don't think the club expected, and did not have the depth to absorb, the injuries in the bullpen that came up in spring training.

When you look at how most of our individual players are performing, they're not as bad as the record shows. But we have found every which to lose games. But I disagree that this team was out of it in December.

Grounds_Crew
05-14-2007, 09:23 AM
Nowhere close. The Reds would have to lose 100 games 2 or 3 times in order for it to be THAT bad.

My comment was sarcasm at it's finest.

BigRedVA
05-14-2007, 09:37 AM
This is what happens when the organization refuses to make a commitment to winning.

redsmetz
05-14-2007, 09:46 AM
On the plus side we're only two games out of second place. :bang:

Wow, I hadn't seen that before (now at 3 1/2 behind) - this is how crazy this season has been - Milwaukee thus far is running away with it and everyone else in the division is under .500.

membengal
05-14-2007, 09:48 AM
I'm plenty old enough to remember 1982 and 1983 clearly. This team is nowhere near as bad as those teams were. Hopefully they will play their way out of this and soon. For those of us who predicted an 81-81 season, there's still plenty of time to reach those "heights".

Unassisted
05-14-2007, 09:50 AM
Sell high...one pulled hammy from Grif and this season does what many think is impossible. It gets worse.

If they sell now, they'll send cash with him. I can think of better uses for that cash.

Unassisted
05-14-2007, 09:52 AM
I'm plenty old enough to remember 1982 and 1983 clearly. This team is nowhere near as bad as those teams were.

This is a point I've been wanting to make, too. Things could be a lot worse and they were a lot worse back then.

George Anderson
05-14-2007, 09:55 AM
I'm plenty old enough to remember 1982 and 1983 clearly.

Exactly, those were horrific times to be a Reds fan, especially when the glory years of the 70's were fresh on everyones minds.

paintmered
05-14-2007, 10:16 AM
The Reds are a .500 team this year. No better, and yes, they are not as bad as they seem right now either. And even despise dropping 8 of their last 10, they are still projected to win 80 games. The bad news is, the Brewers look to win at least 90 this year.

Also, how awful has St. Louis been this year? They're 5 games under five hundred despite playing better than their ability by a strong margin.


AL EAST Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
Boston 36 25 11 0.694 198 125 0.703 25 0 114 48
Baltimore 38 18 20 0.474 172 182 0.474 18 0 77 85
NY Yankees 36 17 19 0.472 200 175 0.562 20 3 91 71
Toronto 37 15 22 0.405 167 185 0.452 17 2 73 89
Tampa Bay 37 15 22 0.405 161 221 0.356 13 -2 58 104
AL CENTRAL Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
Detroit 36 23 13 0.639 198 176 0.555 20 -3 90 72
Cleveland 35 21 14 0.600 185 170 0.539 19 -2 87 75
Chicago Sox 34 18 16 0.529 131 142 0.462 16 -2 75 87
Minnesota 37 18 19 0.486 167 154 0.538 20 2 87 75
Kansas City 38 12 26 0.316 147 201 0.358 14 2 58 104
AL WEST Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
LA Angels 38 21 17 0.553 164 146 0.554 21 0 90 72
Oakland 36 19 17 0.528 162 129 0.605 22 3 98 64
Seattle 33 17 16 0.515 150 167 0.450 15 -2 73 89
Texas 37 15 22 0.405 176 205 0.429 16 1 70 92
NL EAST Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
Atlanta 37 24 13 0.649 183 163 0.554 20 -4 90 72
NY Mets 36 23 13 0.639 191 134 0.660 24 1 107 55
Philadelphia 37 17 20 0.459 188 179 0.523 19 2 85 77
Florida 37 16 21 0.432 183 198 0.463 17 1 75 87
Washington 37 12 25 0.324 118 180 0.312 12 0 51 111
NL CENTRAL Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
Milwaukee 37 25 12 0.676 186 149 0.602 22 -3 98 64
Houston 37 18 19 0.486 163 157 0.518 19 1 84 78
Chicago Cubs 35 17 18 0.486 163 137 0.581 20 3 94 68
Pittsburgh 36 16 20 0.444 130 168 0.382 14 -2 62 100
St. Louis 35 15 20 0.429 110 159 0.334 12 -3 54 108
Cincinnati 38 15 23 0.395 176 178 0.495 19 4 80 82
NL WEST Games W L PCT RS RA P PCT P Win P Diff P Won P Loss
LA Dodgers 38 23 15 0.605 170 137 0.600 23 0 97 65
San Diego 38 20 18 0.526 160 139 0.565 21 1 92 70
San Francisco 37 19 18 0.514 173 154 0.554 21 2 90 72
Arizona 39 20 19 0.513 149 163 0.458 18 -2 74 88
Colorado 38 16 22 0.421 158 206 0.378 14 -2 61 101

membengal
05-14-2007, 10:21 AM
God bless the pythag. And 80 wins puts them pretty much where I had them in my mind to start the season. It's just that 80 wins looks a lot more robust when 83 games wins the division like it did in 2006. Let Milwaukee go out and hang 101 wins on the board, and 80 wins is revealed for the suxor it really is.

Falls City Beer
05-14-2007, 10:40 AM
I promise you this team will not win 80 games. Pythag be damned. This team is special bad. Timid and looking to get worse. The pythag at the end of this month will reveal this team for what it is--a well-below .500 squad.

membengal
05-14-2007, 10:43 AM
There is that, falls. But at this point, the BEST this team can be, it appears, if everything comes together, is a .500 squad again. And I think we are all on the same page that is not good enough. So, whether it is a 65, 70, 75 or 80 win squad, it's still not anywhere near where it needs to be.

The question I suppose, as has been hinted at in a bunch of threads, is what should it look like the remainder of 2007 as it figures out what its level is. For my part, going to the kids would be my preference. I don't think the Reds are on board with that, so scuffling along, chasing their pythag high point (.500 ball) appears to be in the offing. Frustrating, in any event.