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StrikeIndicator
05-14-2007, 03:19 PM
Got this off of the Red's web page
"Salmon did fine while he was here," said Reds manager Jerry Narron. "He has a good arm and good movement. That cutter he has can be as good a pitch as any in baseball when it is working."
Salmon made four relief appearances for Cincinnati since being called up on April 28. He pitched 4 2/3 innings and struck out five hitters. The right-hander heads back to Louisville with a 3.86 ERA.
With Rule 5 Draft pick Jared Burton on the roster, and several relievers close to returning from stints on the disabled list, Salmon essentially became the victim of a numbers game.
"With Livingston coming up, and [Bill] Bray and Eddie [Guardado] coming back soon, there was just no room for him," said Narron.

:mooner: "Did Fine?"
He gave up 1 hit in 4 2/3 innings
yes I admit it was a dinger, but the starting pitcher threw the same pitch to the same guy the next day with the same result.

So, if "there was just no room for him," why not do both he and the club a big favor and trade him.

Oh, we have so many talented players at all positions and will have a great pen and starters in a few weeks we don't need any help, so just keep him?

Trade him for some $$$$$$$$$$$$
Set him free Mr. Narron.
Obviously you do not appreciate him.
1. Look at last Sept. stats when he was lites out in Lville.
No reason to bring him up then, heck he might get so valuable and much
needed ML experience.
Yes, you did add him to the 40 man, but in retrospect, wasn't that just a move to keep him out of the Rule 5 draft and out of Chicago?
2. So, ST, what do you do? Bring in a gaggle of geriatrics and then send him back down to AAA so
1. you don't have to pay him
2. "he can keep sharp, because we don't have enough slots for him
to pitch anymore in ST" (jr)

WHY IS MR. NARRON KEEPING HIM?

Today, I personally am asking Mr. Narron to Free Brad.
All of you on board who believe in equality, opportunity and "doing the right thing" and invited to join me.

:help:

Degenerate39
05-14-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm tired of these trade threads. Trade Dunn, trade Junior, trade Edwin, no trade Salmon. That's just me though.

BRM
05-14-2007, 03:54 PM
I doubt there would be much return for Salmon. Might as well keep him.

savafan
05-14-2007, 03:55 PM
You can't trade everyone. Louisville fans deserve to see good baseball too!

IOW, you need people available at the MiL level if/when someone on the ML roster is injured, ineffective, dealt, etc.

If Salmon is one of the best relief candidates that the Reds have, I think he will be back as soon as they find a place for him.

StrikeIndicator
05-14-2007, 04:05 PM
He deserves better than this. IMHO he has earned the right to be on the 25 man squad of any number of MLB teams.

He should have been left up to begin with.

There is a big difference between the ball used in the Majors and the Minor League ball. If you don't believe me, just go back and see that last year during his Minor League warm up, the Great Roger Clemens requested and got MLB approval to use the Major League ball in all of the minor league games he pitched in before joining the Astros.

From watching him pitch in LA, it looked like Brad was getting a better grip and adjusting better to the different ball.

vic715
05-14-2007, 04:13 PM
You can't trade everyone. Louisville fans deserve to see good baseball too!

IOW, you need people available at the MiL level if/when someone on the ML roster is injured, ineffective, dealt, etc.

If Salmon is one of the best relief candidates that the Reds have, I think he will be back as soon as they find a place for him.

The way this pen is going there ought to be extra places for him.

bucksfan2
05-14-2007, 04:15 PM
Its amazing how bad the bullpen has been lately that they have yet to promote from within. With each loss and each blown bull pen performance the reds lose more and more fan support especially as the season goes on.

KoryMac5
05-14-2007, 04:35 PM
You will receive no return for a guy you sent to the minors because your excuse is that you have no room.

UPRedsFan
05-14-2007, 04:39 PM
You've got it wrong. The answer is to trade Santos and Stanton. Then move Salmon back on board.

StrikeIndicator
05-14-2007, 06:18 PM
My point was meant to be, that the organization has little and has shown even less respect for the man.

He deserves to be with a team that will appreciate his talents and us him.

It is my understanding that would he have not been placed on the 40 man there were more than a couple teams that were very interested in picking him up in the Rule 5 draft.

If this had happened, he surely would have spent a lot more of April and May at the show, which has not been the case with the Reds.

Screwball
05-14-2007, 06:57 PM
My point was meant to be, that the organization has little and has shown even less respect for the man.

He deserves to be with a team that will appreciate his talents and us him.

It is my understanding that would he have not been placed on the 40 man there were more than a couple teams that were very interested in picking him up in the Rule 5 draft.

If this had happened, he surely would have spent a lot more of April and May at the show, which has not been the case with the Reds.


Well obviously, seeing as how rule V draftees have to stay on the ML roster all year, or else be offered back to the original team.

I think you're making this to be a much bigger deal than it actually is. I doubt Salmon sees this is as some lack of respect of the evil organization that doesn't apreciate his talents. In fact, if anything he's probably appreciative of the opportunity to pitch in the bigs with the almost certain likelihood he'll be back up here pitching again in the near future. This was all about a very young pitcher having options left. It has nothing to do with a complete lack of respect for Brad Salmon.

Rojo
05-14-2007, 07:11 PM
My point was meant to be, that the organization has little and has shown even less respect for the man.

FWIW, I got that.

And I agree.

reds44
05-14-2007, 08:03 PM
"Salmon did fine while he was here," said Reds manager Jerry Narron. "He has a good arm and good movement. That cutter he has can be as good a pitch as any in baseball when it is working."



"With Livingston coming up, and [Bill] Bray and Eddie [Guardado] coming back soon, there was just no room for him," said Narron.
Wow. Our manager and GM sound dumber and dumber everyday. If Salmon is doing fine, then there is room for him. Stanton, Coffey, and Saarloos all have ERAs north of 5. If you have a reliever doing fine, you keep him up here. They are few and far between.

Aronchis
05-14-2007, 08:11 PM
Guardado? The dudes coming off TJ surgery and it older than my grandfather:)

I am not the biggest Salmon fan in the world, but the dude deserves a long stint. He just hasn't been disrespected, but outright a insult on his talent.

StrikeIndicator
05-15-2007, 09:17 AM
If you believe that, I have a bridge you should buy

"Make room for Livingston?"
the guy did not even get all of this stuff unpacked before he was sent back to Lville. Heck, maybe he was smart and just packe a toothbrush

OH, newsflash, relief pitcher called up
Salmon, No, McBeth

As I said early and will stand by it. No respect for the man.
Yes, he has options, but that is no reason not to keep him moving back and forth.
to paraphase that funny cellphone ad,
"And what did Brad get? BRAD GOT HOSED"

WMR
05-15-2007, 09:23 AM
I believe the original poster's point was to point out the utter idiocy of sending down someone who had been effective in the opportunities given while refusing to flush some of this other crap down the toilet.

BRM
05-15-2007, 09:25 AM
I believe the original poster's point was to point out the utter idiocy of sending down someone who had been effective in the opportunities given while refusing to flush some of this other crap down the toilet.

That "other crap" is making more money and some of that "other crap" is under contract for 2008 as well. You know the FO can't cut guys like that WilyMo.

WMR
05-15-2007, 09:36 AM
Doesn't mean I have to like it! :rant:

;)

BRM
05-15-2007, 09:48 AM
Doesn't mean I have to like it! :rant:

;)

It's always better to lose with veterans making big dollars than kids making the minimum. Surely you know this. ;)

HokieRed
05-15-2007, 10:29 AM
The handling of Salmon makes as little sense as the rest of Narron and Krivsky's moves. He pitched very well last year at AAA while the FO spent large amounts of talent and money finding experienced guys who--for whatever reason--couldn't do the job. Now Narron says he's got a cutter that can be as good a pitch as there is in baseball and yet he can't get work in the current bullpen? How does one make sense of that? Unfortunately there's no hope in moving Stanton to make room for Salmon. Santos might be movable, but he might also be of more value to the Reds than what he will bring.

CTA513
05-15-2007, 01:37 PM
If you believe that, I have a bridge you should buy

"Make room for Livingston?"
the guy did not even get all of this stuff unpacked before he was sent back to Lville. Heck, maybe he was smart and just packe a toothbrush

OH, newsflash, relief pitcher called up
Salmon, No, McBeth

As I said early and will stand by it. No respect for the man.
Yes, he has options, but that is no reason not to keep him moving back and forth.
to paraphase that funny cellphone ad,
"And what did Brad get? BRAD GOT HOSED"


You have to wait 10 days before bringing Salmon back up.

redsupport
05-15-2007, 01:39 PM
he pitched a perfect eighth against LA, something coffey could only dream about and Saarloss couldnt do if only pitchers were batting, but he was rewarded he was optioned and avoided beiong around the noxious odor eminating from this team

StrikeIndicator
05-15-2007, 02:08 PM
My point exactly, they should never have sent him down.
He was finally getting the feel of the ML ball.
Oh did you see he pitched yesterday in Lville
1 2/3 inning, no hits, 2 K's 1bb
if it weren't for a fielders choice gone bad, his era in AAA would be the same as it is in ML, 0.00

CTA513
05-15-2007, 03:15 PM
My point exactly, they should never have sent him down.
He was finally getting the feel of the ML ball.
Oh did you see he pitched yesterday in Lville
1 2/3 inning, no hits, 2 K's 1bb
if it weren't for a fielders choice gone bad, his era in AAA would be the same as it is in ML, 0.00

Salmon doesn't have a 0.00 ERA in the majors.

UC_Ken
05-15-2007, 03:19 PM
You have to wait 10 days before bringing Salmon back up.

Unless someone gets injured.