5/14/07- Reds vs. Padres

[redsfan4445]

watch them get no-hit and loose 15-0. and hear the same old crap from Mr BASEBALL GUY!!.. "We arent as bad as our record, we just need to pitch better, we need to hit and throw at the right times.. blah blah blah.."

[reds44]

So you're saying the Reds' FO knows more about how to handle young players than the Padres?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I suggest Wayne Krivsky get a pen and paper and take notes.
Uh-huh.

[Petitt33]

Greene w/ a double...

[DTCromer]

So you're saying the Reds' FO knows more about how to handle young players than the Padres?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I suggest Wayne Krivsky get a pen and paper and take notes.


No, I just think it's funny how people react after 1 AB against Matt Belisle. not to mention no one really said anything until after he actually made 1 good hit.

[captainmorgan07]

oh look another leadoff double get this clown off the mound

[reds44]

Btw

Hamilton's D is overrated. I've been less then impressed.

Great arm, but after that it's bleh.

[Reds Freak]

3 straight lead off doubles. I don't care if Hamilton should have caught it or not, Belisle is getting crushed. This is getting comical.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cameron grounds out to short. 1 out. Runner on 3rd.

[edabbs44]

He should get alot of slack because quite frankly there are not better options at this level.

He plays good D, so that will keep him in the good with Jerry. Wayne can't do anything.

Wayne should resign. There's gonna be a fire sale and I have a feeling he just isn't up for it.

[flyer85]

Hamilton didn't look good on that one. Maybe it has more to do with the balls being smoked.

[captainmorgan07]

atleast we got few good pieces outta the last fire sale

[Tom Servo]

Can someone please get cracking on a firekrivsky.com site?

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

[Screwball]

Btw

Hamilton's D is overrated. I've been less then impressed.

Great arm, but after that it's bleh.

Yeah, those diving catches he's made have been nothing but bleh.

[ochoa30]

That was bad defense by Hamilton....

it would have been a great catch, you cant really say it was bad D. He took his eye off it at the last second cuz he thought the wall was closer. A lot a guys may not get to that. the wall was very close as it was.

[reds44]

No, I just think it's funny how people react after 1 AB against Matt Belisle. not to mention no one really said anything until after he actually made 1 good hit.
It has nothing to do with that AB. Take that AB out of it.

Coming into this game, he was hitting .121 and he is starting. He's a bad fielder too.

Edwin was hitting .221, had 75 RBIs in limited playing time last year, is our ONLY right handed threat, and oh yeah is actually 2 years younger the Kouz.

The Narron/Krivsky admin doesn't know what it's doing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bard singles to right center. 5-0 Padres. At this point I am just sticking around to see if Maddux pitches a perfect game.

[captainmorgan07]

belisle needs to go back to the pen

[Matt700wlw]

Da Weds

[Falls City Beer]

I really don't see how you can dog Hamilton's defense.

[Matt700wlw]

it would have been a great catch, you cant really say it was bad D. He took his eye off it at the last second cuz he thought the wall was closer. A lot a guys may not get to that. the wall was very close as it was.

Ok....

I don't know anymore. I really don't.

[redsfan4445]

www.firejerrynarron.com comes up a message about Wayne!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Kouzmanoff with another line drive single. Anyone can hit off Belisle.

[Petitt33]

Kouzmanoff looking like Babe Ruth tonight...

[Tom Servo]

Please get Belisle out, now.

[KYRed]

Is it bad when opponent's hits = Outs in the bottom of the 3rd?

Looks like the Reds are primed and ready to extend their MLB worst May record.

[reds44]

Wayne should resign. There's gonna be a fire sale and I have a feeling he just isn't up for it.
There should be a fire sale.

Who knows what Wayne will do. He'll go all Cubs and "fire sale" by trading Maddux for Cesar Izturis.

[ochoa30]

I really don't see how you can dog Hamilton's defense.

neither do i, that ball was ripped. very difficult catch that he almost had.

[reds44]

Oh look at that, another hit for Kouz.

[Matt700wlw]

Please get Belisle out, now.

Honestly....does it matter?

:lol:

[Reds Fanatic]

Another sacrifice for Maddux. Maybe they can keep this game tape to show our players what a bunt is.

[Petitt33]

Is anyone even warming up in the pen?

[redsfan4445]

this team is playing like they are a expansion team :(

[Reds Freak]

There's no reason for a full blown fire sale. I know they are playing horrible, but everyone is overreacting bit. Krivsky is just over a year on the job. The Reds have some good pieces in place. They weren't as good as they played last year and they aren't as bad as they are playing this year. I believe this ownership group will turn things around soon.

[jojo]

I like Hamilton's defense actually and it's probably the biggest reason Hamilton's likely to get 500 AB's this year...

[reds44]

8 hits.

[captainmorgan07]

Is anyone even warming up in the pen?

who's there to warm up belisle has to eat innings right nwo the sunshine boys only go an inning a piece

[CTA513]

Honestly....does it matter?

:lol:

Not with the way the starters have pitched with Nacho Libre catching.

[SirFelixCat]

It's just too painful to watch. The whole team is just lethargic and it looks like they expect to lose...


Hey, more time to do other things I enjoy at least.

[KoryMac5]

Cincinnati is burning right now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles grounds out to end that inning. 5-0 Padres after 3.

[Tom Servo]

Honestly....does it matter?

:lol:
Nah, but I like Belisle and hate to see him get pounded like this.

[Falls City Beer]

belisle needs to go back to the pen

Yes, he does.

Just continues to put a fine point on my argument that this team needed a legit #3 in the offseason. Clearly the rotation wasn't "okay" or "good enough."

It isn't.

[reds44]

This could be good. Maybe if we look absolutely AWFUL in the last 6 games of this trip Wayne will do something.

[captainmorgan07]

Yes, he does.

Just continues to put a fine point on my argument that this team needed a legit #3 in the offseason. Clearly the rotation wasn't "okay" or "good enough."

It isn't.

i agree totally get rid of loshe milton move belise back to the pen get out the dang checkbook for once and find a good starter or trade for one

[reds44]

Belisle to the pen?

And put who in exactly?

Saarloos?
Santos?


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[edabbs44]

There's no reason for a full blown fire sale. I know they are playing horrible, but everyone is overreacting bit. Krivsky is just over a year on the job. The Reds have some good pieces in place. They weren't as good as they played last year and they aren't as bad as they are playing this year. I believe this ownership group will turn things around soon.

Krivsky is here for a year and has wrecked this team. What can he do with two years? We shall see...

[ochoa30]

Cincinnati is burning right now.

call the fire department, this ones outta control. Don't put it out with your boots ted.

sorry im just really bored.

[jojo]

it would have been a great catch, you cant really say it was bad D. He took his eye off it at the last second cuz he thought the wall was closer. A lot a guys may not get to that. the wall was very close as it was.

That was a play a good centerfielder should've made.......


He's learning and that's the way some of them are going to go....

[Falls City Beer]

this team is playing like they are a expansion team :(

That's a good comparison. Except without the youthful exuberance.

[captainmorgan07]

Belisle to the pen?

And put who in exactly?

Saarloos?
Santos?


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dumtrait

[Reds Fanatic]

I said before the road trip Narron would not be the manager when we got home and no matter how many times Krivsky denies it I still believe Narron will be fired before next week.

[OBuck]

There's no reason for a full blown fire sale. I know they are playing horrible, but everyone is overreacting bit. Krivsky is just over a year on the job. The Reds have some good pieces in place. They weren't as good as they played last year and they aren't as bad as they are playing this year. I believe this ownership group will turn things around soon.


Perfectly said.

[redsfan4445]

There's no reason for a full blown fire sale. I know they are playing horrible, but everyone is overreacting bit. Krivsky is just over a year on the job. The Reds have some good pieces in place. They weren't as good as they played last year and they aren't as bad as they are playing this year. I believe this ownership group will turn things around soon.

Well they better hurry up and do so before attendance is only 12,000 a game and God forbid the fans are blamed by ownership!! and they say they cant compete because the fans wont come out to watch lousy baseball being played!! ARGGG

[Tom Servo]

I think it's way too soon to say move Belisle back to the pen. Just stop letting Javy catch for him.

[reds44]

dumtrait
Are you serious?

Dumatrait's a glorified junkballer. Belisle actually has major league stuff.

[Matt700wlw]

I like Hamilton's defense actually and it's probably the biggest reason Hamilton's likely to get 500 AB's this year...

I like everything about his game, event though he's in a bit of an offensive funk right now.

He'll adjust. It's all part of it.

[captainmorgan07]

castellini has to be fuming right now his 2 bozo's wk and jerry are on the way out they have to be after this mess

[reds44]

Belise's ERA is now 4.18

Oh the horror.

[Petitt33]

Freel grounds out to Maddux....1 down

[DTCromer]

Yes, he does.

Just continues to put a fine point on my argument that this team needed a legit #3 in the offseason. Clearly the rotation wasn't "okay" or "good enough."

It isn't.

We already have a #3 starter on the team. His name is Bronson Arroyo.

[Matt700wlw]

I said before the road trip Narron would not be the manager when we got home and no matter how many times Krivsky denies it I still believe Narron will be fired before next week.

There's an off day Thursday with nothing going on...

[Screwball]

Krivsky is here for a year and has wrecked this team. What can he do with two years? We shall see...

Uh, I don't recall the Reds looking any better the 5 years prior to when Krivsky showed up. Actually, the one good year they've had in the last 6 was when Krivsky took over...

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel grounds out to Maddux.

[Aronchis]

Bizzare night for Belisle. He had a live arm, but simply no command. Complete oppo of his good performance against the stros.

[captainmorgan07]

add leadoff hitter to the offseason list

[Petitt33]

Hatte grounds out to 2nd...2 down

[ochoa30]

That was a play a good centerfielder should've made.......


He's learning and that's the way some of them are going to go....

He is playing this stadium for the first time, he had no idea where the wall was. Like you said he is learning. I'd bet he would make it if it was hit again.

[Tom Servo]

There's an off day Thursday with nothing going on...
Good day for some firings.

[Falls City Beer]

Are you serious?

Dumatrait's a glorified junkballer. Belisle actually has major league stuff.

Belisle's not a starter.

Square peg; round hole.

They should have gotten a real #2/#3 in the offseason. But you're right, it's probably too late to send him back to the pen at this point. The pitching is paperthin everywhere you look.

[Matt700wlw]

Maddux may not break a sweat

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd.

[reds44]

We already have a #3 starter on the team. His name is Bronson Arroyo.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Go look at his numbers last year and this year. He's not a 3, he's a 1.

[captainmorgan07]

they are all so far out infront of maddux's pitches it's not funny

[Reds Freak]

Krivsky is here for a year and has wrecked this team. What can he do with two years? We shall see...

Come on, to say that he has completely wrecked the team is foolish. Do you remember the years before Krivsky? 2002-2005? I'd call that a wreck. Prospects are developing and certain pieces are in place...

[reds44]

Belisle's not a starter.

Square peg; round hole.

They should have gotten a real #2/#3 in the offseason. But you're right, it's probably too late to send him back to the pen at this point. The pitching is paperthin everywhere you look.
I'm not arguing they should have gotten a 3 this offseason, but Belisle's not the issue.

He's fine.

[Aronchis]

Belisle's not a starter.

Square peg; round hole.

They should have gotten a real #2/#3 in the offseason. But you're right, it's probably too late to send him back to the pen at this point. The pitching is paperthin everywhere you look.


I disagree. He is. But don't let your bias fool you of that.

[captainmorgan07]

all i have to say is they better use that money free'd up when milton is off the books and get something useful

[Tom Servo]

perfect game through 4

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out looking on a questionable pitch. Perfect through 4 for Maddux.

[reds44]

Bizzare night for Belisle. He had a live arm, but simply no command. Complete oppo of his good performance against the stros.
Overthrowing. You could see it in the first.

[ochoa30]

maddux will definately get the perfect game with calls like that. wow.

[KYRed]

Maddux on pace for an 83 pitch perfect game. Hey, maybe it won't happen if I mention it.

[Petitt33]

Griffey strikes out...3 down

Maddux has thrown 39 pitches through 4 IP

[reds44]

I want us to get perfect game'd.

[OBuck]

Uh, I don't recall the Reds looking any better the 5 years prior to when Krivsky showed up. Actually, the one good year they've had in the last 6 was when Krivsky took over...


Not to mention the talent on this team is much better than when Krivsky took the job 15 months ago..........Much better

[Falls City Beer]

I disagree. He is. But don't let your bias fool you of that.

Yeah, his numbers and record of health have really warranted that prognosis.

He's not fine. He's got too pitches. He should be in the bullpen.

[jojo]

just a question....in order to have a fire sale, don't ya have to have something that's flammable?

They have two commodities guaranteed to bring something nice back in return: Harang and Arroyo....

They have 1 guy in Dunn that might be marketable depeding upon how the season progresses for him and others...

They have a youngster in EE that might net [I]something[/I good but I'm pretty sure the return wouldn't be equal to the 4 more cheap seasons he'd likely give you....

The rest of the bunch is pretty untradeable for various reasons...

[Cyclone792]

Wow, I wasn't able to catch the early innings of the game, but I just now turned it on, fired up a boxscore, and I'm seeing that Greg Maddux is throwing a perfect game through four innings. That's not exactly what I wanted to see, but ...

Oh well, at least I'll get to watch Greg Maddux pitch a few more innings. That pitch he struck Griffey out looking on is one of the prettiest pitches I've ever seen. Absolute vintage Greg Maddux right there.

[Wheelhouse]

Belisle's not a starter.

Square peg; round hole.

They should have gotten a real #2/#3 in the offseason. But you're right, it's probably too late to send him back to the pen at this point. The pitching is paperthin everywhere you look.

Hmmm. I don't know FCB, Belisle looks like a starter to me. A starter who's having a bad game. But he's performed better as a starter than as anything else in his career.

[Aronchis]

Yeah, his numbers and record of health have really warranted that prognosis.

He's not fine. He's got too pitches. He should be in the bullpen.

So what. Belisle puts up a streak of good start, he could actually bring back a nice haul during the July deadline.

[redsfan4445]

The Team is dead.. the players dont trust Jerry anymore to me.. you can see in their play.. no hustle, nothing other than lack of fundementals.. hmmm isnt that what JERRY said would be fixed in spring training?? oh i forgot they dont have to take infield practice or outfield practice during the season.. this team neds a TAKE control type manager.. no more mr nice guys.. they always LOSE!!..

[reds44]

Yeah, his numbers and record of health have really warranted that prognosis.

He's not fine. He's got too pitches. He should be in the bullpen.
He has a 4.18 ERA even after this start. That's not bad. It's actually pretty decent.

Health? He's not hurt right now. His issue was his back. Maybe he just needs consistent work and a consistent schedule.

[Petitt33]

And Belisle remains in the game...

[redlegs7089]

reds suck billion times million time infinity!!!! im not watching them anymore until they fire narron, i cant take this anymore

[Reds Freak]

Not to mention the talent on this team is much better than when Krivsky took the job 15 months ago..........Much better

Like I said, it's foolish to say otherwise.

[Reds Fanatic]

An actual out to start an inning. Cruz grounds out to 2nd.

[edabbs44]

Come on, to say that he has completely wrecked the team is foolish. Do you remember the years before Krivsky? 2002-2005? I'd call that a wreck. Prospects are developing and certain pieces are in place...

His biggest issue is that he failed to recognize that this team had zero shot this season. So all he did was blow millions on Gonzalez and a bunch of overage stiffs to finish in last place.

Then next season, we'll hear how the market is out of control for pitching and he'll be busy signing Jose Mesa and other AARP all-stars.

[captainmorgan07]

wow javy smartens up and calls something other than fastball for cruz jr. it's amazing

[jojo]

He is playing this stadium for the first time, he had no idea where the wall was. Like you said he is learning. I'd bet he would make it if it was hit again.

maybe....not having any idea where the wall was is a pretty inexcusable thing...

[reds44]

just a question....in order to have a fire sale, don't ya have to have something that's flammable?

They have two commodities guaranteed to bring something nice back in return: Harang and Arroyo....

They have 1 guy in Dunn that might be marketable depeding upon how the season progresses for him and others...

They have a youngster in EE that might net [I]something[/I good but I'm pretty sure the return wouldn't be equal to the 4 more cheap seasons he'd likely give you....

The rest of the bunch is pretty untradeable for various reasons...
You don't trade a 24 year old in a fire sale.

That's the opposite of a fire sale. You do a fire sale to get younger, and more talent.

You do a fire sale to get players similar to Edwin, but who normally don't have ML exp.

[captainmorgan07]

if we want a legit # 3 starter were gonna have to go out and overpay for one plain and simple

[Tom Servo]

You don't trade a 24 year old in a fire sale.

That's the opposite of a fire sale. You do a fire sale to get younger, and more talent.

You do a fire sale to get players similar to Edwin, but who normally don't have ML exp.
Only we have nobody to sell to bring in those young and talented guys.

[Reds Fanatic]

Giles lines out to center. 2 outs.

[edabbs44]

Not to mention the talent on this team is much better than when Krivsky took the job 15 months ago..........Much better

And they are headed to levels not seen by Cincinnati in years. But at least the talent is better.

[Falls City Beer]

Only we have nobody to sell to bring in those young and talented guys.

The pyrite in the Reds' minor league system?

[captainmorgan07]

narron needs to get thrown out of a game to fire up the team or something

[Petitt33]

Good inning for Belisle...

[jojo]

perfect game through 4

maddox has a PERFECT GAME?????? really, maddox has a perfect game going??????? hey Maddox has a perfect game going!!!!!!!!!!



Hope that didn't just jinx him....

:beerme:

[Falls City Beer]

Good inning for Belisle...

Yay! *fart*

[reds44]

Only we have nobody to sell to bring in those young and talented guys.
Dunn and Loshe would bring you in talented guys. Loshe is a free agent after this year, Dunn has an expensive option. Griffey will bring you something if healthy.

[Reds Freak]

His biggest issue is that he failed to recognize that this team had zero shot this season. So all he did was blow millions on Gonzalez and a bunch of overage stiffs to finish in last place.

Then next season, we'll hear how the market is out of control for pitching and he'll be busy signing Jose Mesa and other AARP all-stars.

Yea, Gonzalez who has shored up the defense up the middle and has hit above expectations. Who would you suggest play SS this year if they had not acquired Gonzalez? If the answer is Phillips, who would you suggest play 2B for the next few years until Valiaka is ready?

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez strikes out swinging. A 1-2-3 inning. Amazing how the pitchers pitch so much better when we are down 5 runs.

[ochoa30]

maybe....not having any idea where the wall was is a pretty inexcusable thing...

how is that? this stadium is huge, you think he counted his steps to know exactly where he was. The ball was hit on a line directly over his head. he had no time to turn and look. It would have been web gem caliber if caught. Atleast he got there, did u see the dunn play. He just didnt get it this time, he will next. his D is very good for someone who hasnt play for 4 years. he just needs innings and chances.

[reds44]

4.10 ERA

Pathetic.

[Tom Servo]

if we want a legit # 3 starter were gonna have to go out and overpay for one plain and simple
Next year's free agent class is pretty damn weak:

Carlos Zambrano (27)
Curt Schilling (41)
Jason Jennings (29)
Freddy Garcia (32)
Kenny Rogers (43)
Mark Buehrle (29)
Jon Lieber (38)
Bartolo Colon (35)
Joe Kennedy (29)
Tomo Ohka (32)
John Thomson (34)
Kip Wells (31)
Wade Miller (31)
Livan Hernandez (33)
Randy Wolf (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Paul Byrd (37) - $8MM club option for '08
Jeff Weaver (31)
Tom Glavine (42) - $9MM player option for '08
Kris Benson (33) - $7.5MM club option for '08
Jaret Wright (32)
David Wells (45)
Eric Milton (32)
Kyle Lohse (29)
Matt Clement (33)
Rodrigo Lopez (32)
Josh Fogg (31)
Byung-Hyun Kim (29)
Odalis Perez (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Brett Tomko (35) - $4.5MM mutual option for '08

[Petitt33]

Phillips ends the perfect game right here...

[reds44]

Next year's free agent class is pretty damn week:

Carlos Zambrano (27)
Curt Schilling (41)
Jason Jennings (29)
Freddy Garcia (32)
Kenny Rogers (43)
Mark Buehrle (29)
Jon Lieber (38)
Bartolo Colon (35)
Joe Kennedy (29)
Tomo Ohka (32)
John Thomson (34)
Kip Wells (31)
Wade Miller (31)
Livan Hernandez (33)
Randy Wolf (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Paul Byrd (37) - $8MM club option for '08
Jeff Weaver (31)
Tom Glavine (42) - $9MM player option for '08
Kris Benson (33) - $7.5MM club option for '08
Jaret Wright (32)
David Wells (45)
Eric Milton (32)
Kyle Lohse (29)
Matt Clement (33)
Rodrigo Lopez (32)
Josh Fogg (31)
Byung-Hyun Kim (29)
Odalis Perez (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Brett Tomko (35) - $4.5MM mutual option for '08

I think Eric Milton could be a solid #3.

[ochoa30]

Phillips ends the perfect game right here...

or not

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to short.

[jojo]

You don't trade a 24 year old in a fire sale.

That's the opposite of a fire sale. You do a fire sale to get younger, and more talent.

You do a fire sale to get players similar to Edwin, but who normally don't have ML exp.

wasn't that the point?

[Petitt33]

or not
Eh, he almost beat it out...

[Matt700wlw]

Maddux meeting with the umpires, clearing up his strike zone

:p:

[OBuck]

Yea, Gonzalez who has shored up the defense up the middle and has hit above expectations. Who would you suggest play SS this year if they had not acquired Gonzalez? If the answer is Phillips, who would you suggest play 2B for the next few years until Valiaka is ready?

More importantly we no longer have Lopez at SS who is not nearly as good as Gonzalez and we have Phillips at 2B. He' upgraded both positions

[M2]

I remember watching Larry Holmes fight Tex Cobb back in the day. For 15 rounds Holmes beat the tar out of him. Howard Cosell was mortified by it and announced at the end of the broadcast that he was done with professional boxing (and he stayed true to his words).

Tonight's game has got a Tex Cobb feel to it.

[Tom Servo]

More importantly we no longer have Lopez at SS who is not nearly as good as Gonzalez and we have Phillips at 2B. He' upgraded both positions
And gave Lopez away for beans.

[ochoa30]

Eh, he almost beat it out...

yeah, greene is smooth, such a quick transfer and a strong arm.

[reds44]

wasn't that the point?
Whoops, after looking at the post again, you are correct.

I saw Edwin and fire sale and wet myself.

[Matt700wlw]

Must be chilly out there, Maddux going to his mouth like that *should* be a balk, otherwise, shouldn't it?

[Petitt33]

Dang, nice play by Gonzalez...

2 down

[reds44]

And gave Lopez away for beans.
And Kearns.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

[jojo]

Dunn and Loshe would bring you in talented guys. Loshe is a free agent after this year, Dunn has an expensive option. Griffey will bring you something if healthy.

Half a year from a league average starter isn't going to bring in a talented guys....

[edabbs44]

Yea, Gonzalez who has shored up the defense up the middle and has hit above expectations. Who would you suggest play SS this year if they had not acquired Gonzalez? If the answer is Phillips, who would you suggest play 2B for the next few years until Valiaka is ready?

My grandmother could have played short this season and they wouldn't be any worse than last place.

Spending $14 million on a shortstop like Gonzalez when the rest of the team was in the condition it was in was a flat out waste of money.

[jmac]

just a question....in order to have a fire sale, don't ya have to have something that's flammable?

They have two commodities guaranteed to bring something nice back in return: Harang and Arroyo....

They have 1 guy in Dunn that might be marketable depeding upon how the season progresses for him and others...

They have a youngster in EE that might net [I]something[/I good but I'm pretty sure the return wouldn't be equal to the 4 more cheap seasons he'd likely give you....

The rest of the bunch is pretty untradeable for various reasons...
Exactly as I have been saying.
If people think we will trade the Stanton's ,Sarloos', Loshe's , etc and get difference makers back.....I think are going to be badly fooled.
Maybe a trade of a player or two as you said...could get something but other than that , you will be talking more of a "yard sale" than a firesale.

[reds44]

Must be chilly out there, Maddux going to his mouth like that *should* be a balk, otherwise, shouldn't it?
There hasn't been anyone on base for a balk to be called.

:laugh:

hahahahahahaha

[redsfan4445]

need baserunners.. 2-0 pitch swinging.. guess Jerry doesnt give a take sign

[Petitt33]

Hamilton flies out...

3 down

[George Foster]

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1341542#post1341542

I hope I'm wrong

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton flies out to center. Maddux perfect through 5.

[CTA513]

Reds won't do much this game since they are doing what they always do against Maddux and thats try to pull pitches.

[reds44]

Half a year from a league average starter isn't going to bring in a talented guys....
I think you'd be surprised.

Perfect thru 5.

[Fullboat]

And gave Lopez away for beans.


Beans get you beans in return.:p:

[Reds Fanatic]

Maddux only 46 pitches through 5.

[Reds Freak]

My grandmother could have played short this season and they wouldn't be any worse than last place.

Spending $14 million on a shortstop like Gonzalez when the rest of the team was in the condition it was in was a flat out waste of money.

Is your grandmother playing SS for the next two years as well? You said this team has zero shot at this year, do they have a shot in any of the next three seasons?

[Sea Ray]

Why do we even watch this anymore? If they don't care why should we? Down 5-0, no baserunners? Why waste the stomach acid?

[ochoa30]

you would think the reds have never faced maddux before. They are trying to pull everything. Everyone knows he throws junk away so you will pull it on the ground. how as a fan do i know this but the major league team(why god?) that i follow doesnt.

[jojo]

how is that? this stadium is huge, you think he counted his steps to know exactly where he was. The ball was hit on a line directly over his head. he had no time to turn and look. It would have been web gem caliber if caught. Atleast he got there, did u see the dunn play. He just didnt get it this time, he will next. his D is very good for someone who hasnt play for 4 years. he just needs innings and chances.

It was a play that a good centerfielder makes almost routinely,,,,,, if the outfielder doesn't make a play because he doesn't know where the wall is, it's on him... that's why they let you out there before a game... if he was playing in fargo and he stepped in a golpher hole, it would be a different story....

[Matt700wlw]

Why do we even watch this anymore? If they don't care why should we? Down 5-0, no baserunners? Why waste the stomach acid?

Comic relief?

[OBuck]

And gave Lopez away for beans.


Lopez is not worth beans, and Kearns wasn't worth much more

[jmac]

My grandmother could have played short this season and they wouldn't be any worse than last place.

Spending $14 million on a shortstop like Gonzalez when the rest of the team was in the condition it was in was a flat out waste of money.

Agreed.

[FlyerFanatic]

Why do we even watch this anymore? If they don't care why should we? Down 5-0, no baserunners? Why waste the stomach acid?

Not to mention we have to listen to Grande and Welsh...ugh

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle with a 5th inning no hitter through 1 batter

[Falls City Beer]

Is your grandmother playing SS for the next two years as well? You said this team has zero shot at this year, do they have a shot in any of the next three seasons?

No, with this FO the Reds have no shot.

[Petitt33]

Valentin has got to be the worst defensive catcher in the league...

[Reds Fanatic]

Greene strikes out swinging but reaches on a wild pitch.

[George Foster]

turn the glove over taco...wow

[OesterPoster]

Well, there's a new way for the leadoff guy to reach base tonight. Anything else we haven't seen yet?

[Matt700wlw]

Well, there's a new way for the leadoff guy to reach base tonight. Anything else we haven't seen yet?

Has he walked one yet?

[jojo]

Exactly as I have been saying.
If people think we will trade the Stanton's ,Sarloos', Loshe's , etc and get difference makers back.....I think are going to be badly fooled.
Maybe a trade of a player or two as you said...could get something but other than that , you will be talking more of a "yard sale" than a firesale.

Yardsale has a ring to it....

[redsfan4445]

Well, there's a new way for the leadoff guy to reach base tonight. Anything else we haven't seen yet?

Dont worry its a long season yet!!:(

[ochoa30]

It was a play that a good centerfielder makes almost routinely,,,,,, if the outfielder doesn't make a play because he doesn't know where the wall is, it's on him... that's why they let you out there before a game... if he was playing in fargo and he stepped in a golpher hole, it would be a different story....

thats why he needs experience, he may be an average centerfielder now because of his inexperience but thats it. He will be very very good in time.

[Kingspoint]

Bring back Moeller!

That is probably the most productive thing we could do for this team right now.

[jojo]

I think you'd be surprised.

Perfect thru 5.

I hope so.....

:beerme:

[Fullboat]

Maddux would make a fine pitching coach.

[Falls City Beer]

Well, there's a new way for the leadoff guy to reach base tonight. Anything else we haven't seen yet?

I'm pulling for the inning-leadoff cycle!

It's like baseball Yahtzee.

[Tom Servo]

Lopez is not worth beans, and Kearns wasn't worth much more
Yes they were. I'm not one to insist they would bring back an ace, but they definatly were worth more than Gary Majewski and Bill Bray.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cameron singles to left.

[edabbs44]

Is your grandmother playing SS for the next two years as well? You said this team has zero shot at this year, do they have a shot in any of the next three seasons?

My grandmother isn't sure what she's going to do after this season. :)

They really don't have any shot over the next 3 years. That's why the money spent on Conine, Gonzalez, Stanton, Cormier and the rest of them was such a waste. Save it and spend it on a difference maker with youth and upside. Spend it on the farm system.

[jmac]

you would think the reds have never faced maddux before. They are trying to pull everything. Everyone knows he throws junk away so you will pull it on the ground. how as a fan do i know this but the major league team(why god?) that i follow doesnt.

You have to remember these names....Steve Carlton...Sandy Koufax....Bob Gibson....The reds seem to make many pitchers look like these guys !

[FlyerFanatic]

whose warming up in the pen? Why is Belisle still in?

[Matt700wlw]

Maddux would make a fine pitching coach.

His brother does a good job with the Brew Crew

[Petitt33]

Breaking News: Narron is still an idiot.

Take Belisle out for goodness sake!

[Matt700wlw]

whose warming up in the pen? Why is Belisle still in?

Why not? Seriously... :)

[FlyerFanatic]

this is dumb

[Tom Servo]

Why is Narron keeping him in?

[Kingspoint]

That was a play a good centerfielder should've made.......


He's learning and that's the way some of them are going to go....

Absolutely. He's got a couple of years of minor league baseball to make up. He'll probably do it faster than most would as that seems to be what he does.

[redsfan4445]

lovley game...puke

[Petitt33]

Bard with an RBI single. Cameron to third

6-0

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

This is pitiful. Bard singles in a run. 6-0 Padres.

[reds44]

10 hits

[remdog]

It was a play that a good centerfielder makes almost routinely,,,,,, if the outfielder doesn't make a play because he doesn't know where the wall is, it's on him... that's why they let you out there before a game... if he was playing in fargo and he stepped in a golpher hole, it would be a different story....

I agree with jojo on this one. It's up to the outfielder to learn the field. As he said, that's why you have fielding/batting practice. 'In the old days' may be a trite phrase but that's what those times were used for---to learn the intricacies of the field.

Someone said earlier in this thread that the Reds don't take fielding practice anymore. Is that true? If so, someone upstairs should be kicking Narron's butt all the way back to Cincinnati.

Rem

[jojo]

thats why he needs experience, he may be an average centerfielder now because of his inexperience but thats it. He will be very very good in time.


I think he's probably already above league average defensively talentwise but he's going to make mistakes...

[reds44]

Absolutely. He's got a couple of years of minor league baseball to make up. He'll probably do it faster than most would as that seems to be what he does.
Hamilton is more of a RFer then a CFer.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kouzmanoff with a sac. fly. 7-0 Padres.

[redsfan4445]

Coffey.. Jerrys Fav Pitcher Warming Up!!

[Petitt33]

7-0 after sac fly by Kouzmanoff

[reds44]

Fire Narron.

Why is he still in?

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey warming....why the holy heck??

[guttle11]

Ain't baseball great?

[reds44]

BTW

Kouz.

[Petitt33]

I think its safe to say that Maddux owns the Reds in every facet of the game...

[reds44]

Coffey warming....why the holy heck??
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

Are you serious????

HAHAHAHAHAH

NARRON!

[ochoa30]

I think he's probably already above league average defensively talentwise but he's going to make mistakes...

I agree

[George Foster]

Narron needs to find a reason to get tossed tonight. kick some dirt, throw a cooler...show some life...anything, get on sportscenter

[Reds Fanatic]

Another perfect sacrifice for Maddux. Reds pitchers don't have that many good sacrifices in a month.

[redsfan4445]

might as well let Burton pitch!!!

[guttle11]

Uncle.

[FlyerFanatic]

Coffey warming up? you serious? wow...just wow. screw this team

[Matt700wlw]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

Are you serious????

HAHAHAHAHAH

NARRON!

I wouldn't lie about such things :cry:

[CTA513]

Coffey.. Jerrys Fav Pitcher Warming Up!!

Makes perfect sense.
This will be game 23 pitched out of 39 games.

[Falls City Beer]

KC Royals.

[Petitt33]

What is Narron's obsession with Coffey?

[LINEDRIVER]

Marty is talking about the Dodgers and Padres ability to sacrifice when needed. Padres with 5 sacrifices already tonight.

[reds44]

I wouldn't lie about such things :cry:
This could be my favorite Narron move yet.

[Petitt33]

Giles fouls out

7-0 Pads after 5

[LINEDRIVER]

What is Narron's obsession with Coffey?

Manlove

[ochoa30]

Coffey warming up? you serious? wow...just wow. screw this team

were down 7, when do you want him to pitch? Now better then in a close one. He has been pitching better lately. The dodger game was on ross for that stupid throw to second.

[Reds Freak]

My grandmother isn't sure what she's going to do after this season. :)

They really don't have any shot over the next 3 years. That's why the money spent on Conine, Gonzalez, Stanton, Cormier and the rest of them was such a waste. Save it and spend it on a difference maker with youth and upside. Spend it on the farm system.

She's gonna hold out for a bigger contract huh? That's impressive, maybe I underestimated her range. I guess I am the eternal optimist, I think the farm system is on the right track, there are pieces in place at the major league level especially in the front end of the rotation, and I think the front office is dedicated to turning it around.

[CTA513]

might as well let Burton pitch!!!

Burton should be the first guy out of the bullpen tonight, but instead its easier to pick one of the usual suspects.

[George Foster]

Marty is talking about the Dodgers and Padres ability to sacrifice when needed. Padres with 5 sacrifices already tonight.

you don't give up outs for runs...everybody knows that:laugh:

[FlyerFanatic]

Narron has thrown in the towel this game right? I mean hes basically realized we arent winning this one, must be the reason he went to coffey

[LINEDRIVER]

Manlove

Aren't they going steady?

[Kingspoint]

Another perfect sacrifice for Maddux. Reds pitchers don't have that many good sacrifices in a month.


They'll be sacrificing chickens pretty soon.

[CTA513]

were down 7, when do you want him to pitch? Now better then in a close one. He has been pitching better lately. The dodger game was on ross for that stupid throw to second.

I would rather him not pitch for the 23rd time in the first 39 games.
Instead I would let guys like Burton and Coutlangous get some work in.

[George Foster]

KC Royals.

KC is better because they are young ..better coach

[jmac]

Narron needs to find a reason to get tossed tonight
Warming up Coffey should be reason enough !

[Matt700wlw]

were down 7, when do you want him to pitch?

I don't :p:

[Matt700wlw]

12 more Maddux, you can do it

[ochoa30]

I would rather him not pitch for the 23rd time in the first 39 games.
Instead I would let guys like Burton and Coutlangous get some work in.

i understand that, but narron is a fool so im used to it.

[jojo]

I'm only staying up to see Castro pinch hit for Belisle....:eek:

[reds44]

Alright, lets go Maddux.

[FlyerFanatic]

wow that ball girl plays better defense than the reds

[M2]

Coffey warming....why the holy heck??

Jerry can't get through a day without his Coffey.

[Tom Servo]

http://www.aprilsmithmusic.com/myspace/you're%20fired!.bmp
Bob needs to give these to Krivsky and Narron immediatley.

[Matt700wlw]

Burton now warming

[LINEDRIVER]

Im just about ready to withdraw my support of Jerry Narron. Seriously. Doesnt he need to show his team that he would try to win a game with more effort than leaving Belisle out there to get knocked around?

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez breaks his bat and grounds out to short. 1 out.

[guttle11]

If broken bats were nickels, Castellini could buy a real team.

[reds44]

Seabass runs like a fish.

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger to pinch hit for Belisle

[Reds Freak]

Maddux must be just cracking up inside. Of course he is a future hall of famer but he is not that great of a pitcher anymore and he knows it. He is just fooling around with these hitters right now.

[Matt700wlw]

No hitter no more

[FlyerFanatic]

Wow a hit!

[Tom Servo]

Finally.

[Matt700wlw]

That was fun.

[guttle11]

Boo!

:D

[remdog]

I'm glad that I decided not to drive to SD to see this game....unless Maddux pitches a no-no. I've never seen one in person

Rem

[George Foster]

damn...we lose and we won't see a perfect game.:bang:

[jmac]

I would rather him not pitch for the 23rd time in the first 39 games.
Instead I would let guys like Burton and Coutlangous get some work in.
Look...I just wish people would stop using the # of times Coffey has pitched.
Yes....it is a good amount but not much different than several other relievers in MLB.
Fact is...he hasnt done the job and needs time in Triple A.

[reds44]

Taco.

[RedEye]

Ah... I see that Mr. Belisle is regressing to mean now, following Mr. Lohse. If this rotation puts away its smoke and mirrors, we could be looking at a 100-loss season, ladies and gents.

[ochoa30]

dammit, i mean yay

[Reds Fanatic]

Perfect game over. Valentin doubles to right.

[redsfan4445]

Im just about ready to withdraw my support of Jerry Narron. Seriously. Doesnt he need to show his team that he would try to win a game with more effort than leaving Belisle out there to get knocked around?

It took you this long??? he has no clue how to use a bullpen, no clue on take signs, no clue on lineups and he calls himself a BASEBALL GUY!!..NOT!!! :bang:

[Matt700wlw]

Another hit...


Maddux is toast :D

[Tom Servo]

Rally!

[remdog]

Well, disregard the no-no part above. :p:

Rem

[Reds Fanatic]

Keppinger singles. 1st and 3rd.