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reds44
05-14-2007, 11:45 PM
Just sayin', but expect to hear from Marcus McBeth soon
Trent just dropped a HUGE hint on his blog.

Maybe finally they will do something I want.

Question now becomes, who goes down?

TeamBoone
05-14-2007, 11:53 PM
Trent just dropped a HUGE hint on his blog.

Maybe finally they will do something I want.

Question now becomes, who goes down?

Just about anybody in the BP would be a good candidate.

Screwball
05-15-2007, 12:22 AM
Question now becomes, who goes down?

We can rule out a couple of people: Burton, Weathers, Saarloos. I doubt it'll be Coutlangus as well, as he's been mostly effective and he's a lefty. That leaves Coffey, Stanton, and Santos. Stanton is most deserving, but he's got that 2 year contract. Coffey is 2nd most deserving, but he seems to be Narron's favorite reliever, and he had a solid '06 season. My guess would be Santos, although it's probably between him and Coffey. This should be interesting...

Matt700wlw
05-15-2007, 12:24 AM
McBeth and Moeller heading up...

Keppinger and Livingston heading down...




This is late breaking information :)

CTA513
05-15-2007, 12:24 AM
Im not sure if Im right or not, but I believe Saarloos has option(s) if they want to send him down.

reds44
05-15-2007, 12:25 AM
Livingston is going down.

Moeller up as well with Keppinger going down.

Screwball
05-15-2007, 12:25 AM
McBeth and Moeller heading up...

Keppinger and Livingston heading down...




This is late breaking information :)

And Stanton and Coffey still have a roster spot. :bang: :bang: :bang:

reds44
05-15-2007, 12:26 AM
Javy just isn't a catcher. Although this does mean we sent down EE to call up Moeller. Wow.

McBeth got called up. I'm a happy man.

I'll put money down Saarloos goes into the rotation.

Ron Madden
05-15-2007, 01:00 AM
Wow!!! Wayne is a genius.

Thank God for Special K. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I feel ill.

:bang:

CTA513
05-15-2007, 01:17 AM
From John Fays Blog:



Roster moves

SAN DIEGO - The Reds optioned infielder Jeff Keppinger and pitcher Bobby Livingston to Triple-A Louisville after tonight's loss against the Padres.

Catcher Chad Moeller and relief pitcher Marcus McBeth will join the team tomorrow.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/redsinsider/

mth123
05-15-2007, 01:29 AM
Don't think this is a shake-up. Just adding a 3rd Catcher so Javy can DH in interleague play and sending down a starter who won't be needed until May 23. We may see Milty for that start.

vic715
05-15-2007, 02:06 AM
I'd put Javy on 1st. He has more sock than Hatte,besides I'm tired of him in the top of the order grounding out to 2nd.

WMR
05-15-2007, 03:11 AM
Wow!!! Wayne is a genius.

Thank God for Special K. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I feel ill.

:bang:

Krivsky rubs his hands together and smiles, "Things are proceeding as I have foreseen."

Kingspoint
05-15-2007, 03:16 AM
Those look like the right moves to be made.

Moeller has proven throughout his career (Ben Sheets always pitched his best games with Moeller by far over any other catcher) that he's good for pitchers.

McBeth is our best prospect in the Minors that's ready to contribute as a relief pitcher.

sonny
05-15-2007, 04:13 AM
A little disappointed in seeing Keppinger go down. He reminds me of a hard-nosed player who, at the very least, blocks more ABs from Castro.

Oh well, at least we'll get a chance to see McBeth toss the peanut

To thine own self be true...

Degenerate39
05-15-2007, 06:14 AM
Glad to see McBeth. Hate to see Moeller

Falls City Beer
05-15-2007, 06:53 AM
Scrambling.....scrambling.....

MrCinatit
05-15-2007, 07:00 AM
Glad to see McBeth. Hate to see Moeller

Yeah, that sums up my feelings. I also don't like seeing Livingston and Keppinger go down - I would much rather this team get rid of the stinking old blood and continue bringing in younger blood.
But, it ain't gonna happen.

membengal
05-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Let the winning begin!

NorrisHopper30
05-15-2007, 08:22 AM
At least we don't have to see Javy try to catch anymore.

redsmetz
05-15-2007, 08:26 AM
Those look like the right moves to be made.

Moeller has proven throughout his career (Ben Sheets always pitched his best games with Moeller by far over any other catcher) that he's good for pitchers.

McBeth is our best prospect in the Minors that's ready to contribute as a relief pitcher.

I wondered about this over on ORG this morning. We were 9-8 when Moeller was optioned out, we've gone 6-15 since. Certainly it wasn't Moeller's bat, but I wonder about how he maybe works with the pitchers behind the scenes. I can't say for sure, but it's certainly worth pondering.

captainmorgan07
05-15-2007, 08:28 AM
right move to bring up mcbeth and i don't mind seeing moeller call games anybody but javy back there he is a terrible game caller mcbeth should be given some of coffey's innings to give todd a rest

Always Red
05-15-2007, 08:33 AM
Javy can't catch, and he really can't throw.

I'm not sure if he can hit anymore either, to tell you the truth.

I don't really want him DH'ing in AL parks against RH; I'd rather have Junior doing that, and saving his legs.

Maybe we're not going back to three catchers for the rest of the year, maybe Javy is on his way out?

Far East
05-15-2007, 08:39 AM
I wondered about this over on ORG this morning. We were 9-8 when Moeller was optioned out, we've gone 6-15 since. Certainly it wasn't Moeller's bat, but I wonder about how he maybe works with the pitchers behind the scenes. I can't say for sure, but it's certainly worth pondering.

As much as I like the potential offense of both Javy and Ross, Moeller -- if his current AAA hotness carries over into the "show," -- just might be able to play his way into the #1 catching position, or at least displace Ross against southpaws.

Lord knows, almost anybody's defense would be an improvement over the backhand stabs instead of blocking pitches in the dirt that we are are seeing from the present duo.

bucksfan2
05-15-2007, 08:41 AM
Maybe I am just not smart enough but calling Moeller up may just solve all of the reds worries. I mean isn't it great to have another no hit bat on the bench from an older player who really isn't going to do much for the reds past this year? You lose Keppy gave you flexibility off the bench and it leaves you with your backup infielder who couldn't hit water if he was thrown off a boat in the middle of the ocean Juan Castro. I can see it now, the reds down 1 in the 9th with 8,9,1 due up. Narron ph's Valentine for Ross and Valentine proceedes to swing so hard he falls over on a pop up to the catcher. He then ph's Castro for the pitchers spot who doesn't even scare the baseball. And of all moves he ph's Moeller for Hatty because he likes the righty lefty matchup.

Always Red
05-15-2007, 08:53 AM
Lord knows, almost anybody's defense would be an improvement over the backhand stabs instead of blocking pitches in the dirt that we are are seeing from the present duo.

I think that's why they called Moeller up, for that very reason.

BRM
05-15-2007, 08:54 AM
I don't really want him DH'ing in AL parks against RH; I'd rather have Junior doing that, and saving his legs.


I agree. If Javy isn't a backup catcher, he really isn't needed at all.

StrikeIndicator
05-15-2007, 09:38 AM
I see Chad coming up as writing on the wall.

The PenPals did better in ST, where they were caught most of the time in practice by Chad.

I think that they are giving McBeth a better shot than Salmon, in that they are bringing up the guy who has been catching him in AAA and knows what he can throw.

This was not the case when Salmon gave up his only hit to Berkman.
Ross was calling the pitches and I do not feel that he knows what the AAA guys can do, or he has no confidence in some of their stuff.

This may also mean that Narron is set to have a revolving door between the pen and Lville,

SDCOTT

berryluther
05-15-2007, 09:41 AM
Why is it that there is all this hubub about freeing up Javy to PH. Narron acts like this guy is Ted Williams reincarnated. If he was such a good hitter he would have been the starter here the last few years.

BRM
05-15-2007, 09:44 AM
I can't wait for interleague play so we can see a lineup that has Moeller at C, Javy at DH, and Castro at 3B.

Always Red
05-15-2007, 09:46 AM
I can't wait for interleague play so we can see a lineup that has Moeller at C, Javy at DH, and Castro at 3B.

ouch

vic715
05-15-2007, 09:59 AM
Javy can't catch, and he really can't throw.

I'm not sure if he can hit anymore either, to tell you the truth.

I don't really want him DH'ing in AL parks against RH; I'd rather have Junior doing that, and saving his legs.

Maybe we're not going back to three catchers for the rest of the year, maybe Javy is on his way out?

If you have JR Dhing then you are going to have Castro at 3rd.I'll take my chances with Javy.

Always Red
05-15-2007, 10:14 AM
If you have JR Dhing then you are going to have Castro at 3rd.I'll take my chances with Javy.

No, I'd have Freel at 3B and Hopper in the OF, or Freel in the OF and bring EE back up.

I see it this way: if we're playing MORE of Javy, Castro, Moeller, then this year is lost; no way do the Reds make up 10 games, either in the division or wild card, playing that lineup, especially with our relief pitching. Might as well bring Eddie back up, plug him in at 3B and see if he sinks or swims.

Maybe the jolt of a week in the minors will be enough to snap Eddie back to where he was last year? I agreed with the move to send him down, and I think their point was made; I hope Eddie got it.

They need to see if he can play 3B at the MLB level. If they are going to move him to a different position, do it in AAA (they haven't done that yet). EE has less value in AAA than on the MLB roster, if they're going to trade him, they need to move him up, too.

I think eventually, later this year, we'll see a lot of guys let go- Javy, Castro, Stanton (maybe- contract issues).

BRM
05-15-2007, 10:25 AM
No, I'd have Freel at 3B and Hopper in the OF, or Freel in the OF and bring EE back up.

I see it this way: if we're playing MORE of Javy, Castro, Moeller, then this year is lost; no way do the Reds make up 10 games, either in the division or wild card, playing that lineup, especially with our relief pitching. Might as well bring Eddie back up, plug him in at 3B and see if he sinks or swims.

Maybe the jolt of a week in the minors will be enough to snap Eddie back to where he was last year? I agreed with the move to send him down, and I think their point was made; I hope Eddie got it.

They need to see if he can play 3B at the MLB level. If they are going to move him to a different position, do it in AAA (they haven't done that yet). EE has less value in AAA than on the MLB roster, if they're going to trade him, they need to move him up, too.

I think eventually, later this year, we'll see a lot of guys let go- Javy, Castro, Stanton (maybe- contract issues).

I agree. If Eddie in Louisville means more ABs for Javy, Moeller or Castro then I don't know what to think. Talk about making a decent lineup really bad.

bucksfan2
05-15-2007, 10:37 AM
1b Valentine
2b Freel
SS Gonzo
3B Castro
RF Dunn
CF Hopper
RF Conine
C Moeller

The reds could possibly run out one of the worst lineups ever to see the field with the players on the current roster.

hebroncougar
05-15-2007, 10:50 AM
Did Keppinger even get an AB?? Good god, if Valentin can't catch, release him. If you are saying you have to keep a 3rd catcher because you don't have faith in his catching ability, what's the point of having him on the team???

BRM
05-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Did Keppinger even get an AB?? Good god, if Valentin can't catch, release him. If you are saying you have to keep a 3rd catcher because you don't have faith in his catching ability, what's the point of having him on the team???

Because the Reds think he's a quality pinch-hitter.

thorn
05-15-2007, 11:26 AM
It could be the Reds are running these guys out there to see what we got available for trades or to see what we have once they start the fire sale in June. We would need to know what we have in a Salmon, McBeth, Keppinger, etc before we start dumping, and hanging onto some of the undesirable on the ML roster will help in dumping them, espically if they show some success. This year is a wash anyway.

hebroncougar
05-15-2007, 11:35 AM
Because the Reds think he's a quality pinch-hitter.


So you keep a roster spot for a quality pinch hitter, but he can't play the field??? Ever? On a great team, maybe, but not on this team.

BRM
05-15-2007, 11:52 AM
So you keep a roster spot for a quality pinch hitter, but he can't play the field??? Ever? On a great team, maybe, but not on this team.

Not saying I agree with it. I was just stating what I think Wayne and Jerry's opinions are. They believe he is a good lefty bat off the bench. I happen to disagree but I don't get a vote.

Far East
05-15-2007, 11:53 AM
Why is it that there is all this hubub about freeing up Javy to PH. Narron acts like this guy is Ted Williams reincarnated. If he was such a good hitter he would have been the starter here the last few years.
(A) Probably because a switch-hitting PH twarts the opposition's ability to bring in a specialist and force Jerry to go to a second PH to counter.

(B) His lack of defense/game-calling/pitcher handling contributes to his not being a starter.

BRM
05-15-2007, 11:56 AM
(A) Probably because a switch-hitting PH twarts the opposition's ability to bring in a specialist and force Jerry to go to a second PH to counter.

(B) His lack of defense/game-calling/pitcher handling contributes to his not being a starter.

Well, if Javy were really a switch-hitter I'd agree. His career numbers as a RH batter say he's pretty much a lefty. I agree with the second point. He shouldn't be starting.

BRM
05-15-2007, 12:08 PM
From Rotoworld.



It's simply incredible that the Reds think finding playing time for Moeller is going to help them pull out of their slump. The plan is for Moeller to take over as the backup to David Ross, freeing up Javier Valentin to be used as a pinch-hitter. Moeller had a 568 OPS in 317 at-bats in 2004, a 624 OPS in 199 at-bats in 1995 and a 506 OPS in 98 at-bats last year. He's not even above average defensively, so any time he's on a roster, he's a top candidate for worst player in MLB honors.

Natty Redlocks
05-15-2007, 01:08 PM
From Rotoworld.

There's no way he'll be as bad for the pitching staff as Valentin; nobody expects him to hit.

redsupport
05-15-2007, 01:21 PM
I was interested in the proposed reds line up and how it would fare against my all time reds winning lineup

1B Terry lee or Tim Costo or Tim Belk
2B Ed Crosby or German barranca
SS Rafael Santo Domingo or Keith Kessinger
3B Scotti Madison or Craig Worthington
C Too numerous I like Guillermo Garcia
OF Cesar hernandez
OF Greg Tubbs
OF Steve pegues.

StrikeIndicator
05-15-2007, 02:19 PM
McBeth is our best prospect in the Minors that's ready to contribute as a relief pitcher.


Well, here are some interesting numbers for 2007 minor league play
McBeth 18 innings
11 hits
6 runs
3 earned runs
3 HOME RUNS :angry:
6 walks
13 K's

If my math is right (yes it is a limited sample) every other hit is a home run, since he has gotten to Lville he has improved that to 1 hr every 4 hits.

:D My advice, "don't buy a house or sign a long term lease"

Degenerate39
05-15-2007, 02:31 PM
Is it offical that these guys are in the Majors?

Far East
05-15-2007, 03:03 PM
I was interested in the proposed reds line up and how it would fare against my all time reds winning lineup

1B Terry lee or Tim Costo or Tim Belk
2B Ed Crosby or German barranca
SS Rafael Santo Domingo or Keith Kessinger
3B Scotti Madison or Craig Worthington
C Too numerous I like Guillermo Garcia
OF Cesar hernandez
OF Greg Tubbs
OF Steve pegues.
Or you could compare your "all time reds winning lineup" to the 8 guys that Narron typically sends out there, because the proposed lineup only has two substitutions for Jerry's offense: Conine and Valentin in place of Freel and Ross.

Nobody is saying that Conine and Valentin are necessarily better baseball players than Freel and Ross, but the lineup needs more punch. Ideally we all know that that should be coming from EE, but he's in Kentucky. The Reds are stuck with the names currently on the roster.

One thing we know for sure is that Jerry's position players are not hacking it. All in favor of the status quo, then just keep Jerry's "best 8" penciled in for the duration and instead continue simply to concentrate on who among those 8 should be batting 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and who should be protecting who, and see just how long of a losing streak can be accumulated.

Kingspoint
05-15-2007, 03:05 PM
Did Keppinger even get an AB?? Good god, if Valentin can't catch, release him. If you are saying you have to keep a 3rd catcher because you don't have faith in his catching ability, what's the point of having him on the team???

I'm sure Valentin realizes that he's not long for this team, one way or another. Krivsky knows him as well as anyone having watched him come up through the Twins organization. He signed Moeller many months ago because he envisioned that this day might come. I'm glad he had a backup plan in place in case Valentine showed that his bat couldn't offset his ability as a catcher.

He'll be released if he can't get a PTBNL for him. Since, EE will should be back before Memorial Day, I'm certain that Valentin will open up a spot for him.

bucksfan2
05-15-2007, 03:06 PM
I'm sure Valentine realizes that he's not long for this team, one way or another. Krivsky knows him as well as anyone having watched him come up through the Twins organization. He signed Moeller many months ago because he envisioned that this day might come. I'm glad he had a backup plan in place in case Valentine showed that his bat couldn't offset his ability as a catcher.

He'll be released if he can't get a PTBNL for him.

But didn't they extend Valentine recently??

Kingspoint
05-15-2007, 03:08 PM
Well, here are some interesting numbers for 2007 minor league play
McBeth 18 innings
11 hits
6 runs
3 earned runs
3 HOME RUNS :angry:
6 walks
13 K's

If my math is right (yes it is a limited sample) every other hit is a home run, since he has gotten to Lville he has improved that to 1 hr every 4 hits.

:D My advice, "don't buy a house or sign a long term lease"

I agree that the 3 homeruns are two too many. I hope that was a fluke, but it's probably not. It should mean that he's not ready to be an 8th inning guy this year.

Kingspoint
05-15-2007, 03:17 PM
But didn't they extend Valentine recently??


He got $1,150,000 last year and then this:

08/28/06: Signed one-year, $1.325 million extension w/2008 option. 2007: $1.25 million, 2008: $1.3 million club option w/$75,000 buyout.

cincy jacket
05-15-2007, 03:24 PM
If Moeller really is that great at handling pitchers then why not leave him at AAA and let him work w/ Homer. I think we are all in agreement that this season is a wash already at the big level so why not just let him impart his "wisdom of pitching" to Homer. He could be our modern day Crash Davis.

Redsland
05-15-2007, 03:43 PM
If Moeller really is that great at handling pitchers then why not leave him at AAA and let him work w/ Homer.…He could be our modern day Crash Davis.
Crash was in single-A. Homer is on the DL.

;)

nate
05-15-2007, 03:58 PM
Homer doesn't have a quadraphonic Blaupunkt.

klw
05-15-2007, 04:33 PM
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bull_durham.jpg
I want to announce my presence with authority!

StrikeIndicator
05-15-2007, 09:41 PM
Great:beerme:

Degenerate39
05-16-2007, 01:51 PM
Crash was in single-A. Homer is on the DL.

;)

So Nuke went from single-A to the majors?

pedro
05-16-2007, 01:55 PM
Chad Moeller is the heart and soul of this team.

Chip R
05-16-2007, 02:16 PM
But didn't they extend Valentine recently??


No, they actually released him. I think he's in the K.C. organization now.

RichRed
05-16-2007, 02:17 PM
Chad Moeller is the heart and soul of this team.

He's Huey Lewis in catcher's gear.

Will
05-16-2007, 02:35 PM
The best thing about McBeth is he will have an awesome "Bermanism". He will be " Marcus To Be or Not To Be McBeth".

redsupport
05-16-2007, 02:37 PM
wrong play reference

Will
05-16-2007, 02:41 PM
wrong play reference
Ooops, Hamlet or Macbeth it's all Shakespeare to me :laugh:

Redsland
05-16-2007, 04:49 PM
So Nuke went from single-A to the majors?
He just wanted to help the ballclub.