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TheWalls
05-22-2007, 02:59 PM
As the recent changes impact those of us without ORG status, it seemed worthwhile to see how you feel about them.

I honestly don't know. At a certain level, I like the definitive nature of x posts and y rep versus an anonymous, black box ORG vote.

OTOH, posters that didn't meet the old criteria but present valuable new perspectives may get in sooner.

On a related note, I find many of the Sun Deck threads at least as interesting as what goes on in ORG. Guess I'll just keep plugging away and aspire to ORG status someday...

ChatterRed
05-22-2007, 03:18 PM
I don't post here often and have no clue what happened. Could someone update me? I'd like to know what happened to the Reds Live forum.......that is where I hung out.

I hate this new setup..........and I just realized it was new. I almost wondered if I had had privileges taken away from me for some unknown reason.

Anyway.........I think the board sucks now. Just my opinion. Instead of all Reds fans being able to post on here..........and not all Reds fans feel the need to post every 5 minutes, hourly or even daily.........but maybe once a week or once every couple of weeks................this board has become a clique for only those who frequent it alot.

I think the new setup sucks. I'm thinking about starting a new Reds Board with Forums...........this one has gone down the drain.

BurgervilleBuck
05-22-2007, 03:29 PM
I thought the whole rep thing was pretty bloody... what's the word... unnecessary. Were the boards in that bad a shape that users have to be okayed just to get an avatar?

Razor Shines
05-22-2007, 03:35 PM
While I am disappointed to have my ORG privileges taken away, I understand the purpose of doing it this way. And I don't really have a problem with it, hopefully I'll be able to get back in sooner or later. We'll see.

HumnHilghtFreel
05-22-2007, 04:14 PM
The ONLY thing that I don't understand is not letting ORG posters use the SunDeck.

Other than that, I don't really have a problem with any of it.

The Baumer
05-22-2007, 04:16 PM
The rep system was often used a way for people to attack others without being caught by moderators. Poster A would send a snarky comment and a negative rep to Poster B and what usually ended up happening was that Poster B would be the one to get in trouble for bringing it up in the public thread. This happened often usually without consequence to the original tricksters, so I am glad with the new changes.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2007, 04:24 PM
I dislike not being able to talk to the newbies. I feel like General Pinochet.

redsfanmia
05-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Its a forum, our lives really havent changed. I just liked the chance to relpy to all posts but I found I rarely left post in the ORG anyway so whats the big deal?

deltachi8
05-22-2007, 04:32 PM
I dodn't care for the rep points much and reall don't like the new system, but, it's not my board, I dont have to do the work that Boss and GIK do, so what works for them is what really matters.

BuckeyeRed27
05-22-2007, 04:55 PM
Gamethread. I want a freaking gamethread that I can post in.

Razor Shines
05-22-2007, 05:05 PM
Gamethread. I want a freaking gamethread that I can post in.

The one thing I would like to do is talk about tonight's lineup. The problem is that if I started a discussion about tonight's lineup it will inevitably turn into a game thread and I don't want to be responsible for starting a game thread where there isn't supposed to be one. But that's one of the privileges of being in the ORG and I hope I get back there, until then I'll have to wait until after the games to talk about the lineups. Oh well.

kbrake
05-22-2007, 05:23 PM
I dislike not being able to talk to the newbies. I feel like General Pinochet.


Not just newbies, plenty of us that have been around for awhile that will miss getting into with the most negative Reds fan ever. ;)

kxblue
05-22-2007, 06:27 PM
I really don't post that much, but I really miss not being able to discuss the games. I also think ORG posters should be able to post in the Sun Deck. They often provide very good analysis and responses and help create better discussion.

I have no problem not being allowed to post in ORG, but I think ORG posters should be allowed to post in the Sun Deck. I think the Sun Deck is a very watered down Reds Live.

Will
05-22-2007, 06:29 PM
Its a forum, our lives really havent changed. I just liked the chance to relpy to all posts but I found I rarely left post in the ORG anyway so whats the big deal?

Ditto that :thumbup: I'm sorry for those who were kicked out of the ORG though. I am relatively new and while I was gaining Rep. pretty quick, I wasn't a member of the ORG. I understand how it must be pretty upsetting to feel that you aren't wanted in a "Club" anymore after you have been a member, whether it was for a long or short period of time

redsfanmia
05-22-2007, 06:53 PM
Ditto that :thumbup: I'm sorry for those who were kicked out of the ORG though. I am relatively new and while I was gaining Rep. pretty quick, I wasn't a member of the ORG. I understand how it must be pretty upsetting to feel that you aren't wanted in a "Club" anymore after you have been a member, whether it was for a long or short period of time

I was in the club but dont really want to be in the new club. If elected I will not serve.

Jr's Boy
05-22-2007, 08:18 PM
No money back guarantee's i'll tell ya that.

peterose00
05-22-2007, 08:19 PM
Like Albert Brooks in "Defending Your Life" -- I feel like a "little brain" -- and evidently BossHog and GIK use around 50% of their brain. I have decided to just hang-out in the Past Lives Pavillion -- the travelling may be a bit more rocky, but you meet much more intersting people there.

Fullboat
05-22-2007, 09:22 PM
Gamethread. I want a freaking gamethread that I can post in.

Agreed!

NatiRedGals
05-22-2007, 09:23 PM
Agreed!

I also want a gamethread thats the only reason i dislike the change:beerme:

Degenerate39
05-22-2007, 09:25 PM
I also want a gamethread thats the only reason i dislike the change:beerme:

You took the words right out of my mouth.

NatiRedGals
05-23-2007, 01:35 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth.

Yep because i love coming here and not everyday you come along and notice that theirs true reds fan who are fair weather fans and game threads are the reason i came here because it allowed me to have something that i have always had but my dad left he lives only like 20 mins away but how can i go everyday and talk about the game this allowed me a chance to be a a true red fan among other true fans:(

George Anderson
05-23-2007, 01:51 AM
I prefered the old system but I am hardly going to lose any sleep over this change.

If the only reason ORG members cant post in the Sun Deck is because certain ORG members bulldoze new members, then my thoughts are if the new members cant handle someone challenging their thoughts in a not so nice way, they really need to seek therapy. I mean this is a simple Message Board on the Internet and if some people are so insecure that they expect everyone to be nice to them at all times even on the internet, then they have much more serious issues to deal with than who Jerry Narron will be batting lead off.


In general I really enjoy the site and I also respect the fact that this is not my house so I dont make the rules. I have contributed money in the past and likely still will.

One thing for sure, this Reds Zone gathering you guys are planning in a few weeks will be awfully interesting!!!!! :D :bash: :duel:

WVPacman
05-23-2007, 02:07 AM
One thing for sure, this Reds Zone gathering you guys are planning in a few weeks will be awfully interesting!!!!!Can somebody video tape it????:D :laugh: :jump: :bowrofl:

paintmered
05-23-2007, 07:15 AM
I prefered the old system but I am hardly going to lose any sleep over this change.

If the only reason ORG members cant post in the Sun Deck is because certain ORG members bulldoze new members, then my thoughts are if the new members cant handle someone challenging their thoughts in a not so nice way, they really need to seek therapy. I mean this is a simple Message Board on the Internet and if some people are so insecure that they expect everyone to be nice to them at all times even on the internet, then they have much more serious issues to deal with than who Jerry Narron will be batting lead off.


In general I really enjoy the site and I also respect the fact that this is not my house so I dont make the rules. I have contributed money in the past and likely still will.

One thing for sure, this Reds Zone gathering you guys are planning in a few weeks will be awfully interesting!!!!! :D :bash: :duel:

No, that is not the only reason. It isn't even the primary reason for the decision.

The primary reason was to restore ORG to its original vision. It was under-utilized and no longer provided incentive as a goal for new posters because everyone simply posted in RL and everybody had access to the game thread. Judging by the response of nominations, I'd say ORG is finally the carrot it was originally intended to be but never was.

TeamCasey
05-23-2007, 08:20 AM
If the only reason ORG members cant post in the Sun Deck is because certain ORG members bulldoze new members.

I may have given that impression. Sorry, guys, not my intention at all. I viewed the separation as a benefit to both forums. It was my own opinion.

FlyingPig
05-23-2007, 06:53 PM
I originally paid money to help keep Redszone alive..That got me into the ORG, a forum I read a lot of, but seldom posted to..

Seems I don't have posting abilities to the Big Show anymore, but like I said..I'd rather read than post..

Besides..the owners of this forum board put a lot of time and money into something that we all enjoy and for that reason they should have the right to run it any way they want to..

Once in a while I have a question or something to say..and I'll say it to the great fans of the SunDeck..But I'm more than happy to come here and read the thoughts and comments of all you other great and knowledgeable Reds fans..

:beerme:

Sea Ray
05-23-2007, 09:12 PM
The rep system was atrocious and I'm glad to see it abolished. The smooshing and butt kissing to get rep points was nauseating. There were posts said to folks with over 1000 Rep points like "you are my hero" or "I think I have a man crush on you."

I think if we had to have a rep system it should have capped at like 300 pts.

A lot of the folks now out of ORG seem to miss the point of all these changes. The point was to make ORG a more elite gathering. The goal is not like that of a high school diploma, i.e. get everyone in there eventually. So don't base your complaint on "why can't everyone get in". Apparrently the powers that be have meant for it to be a more sparsely populated place than it was before.

And finally, if these changes ruin your day, much less your week, you really need to get a life. This is one of many, many messages boards available on the vast internet. You're still an avid Reds fan. You can still enjoy Reds baseball. But if your primary enjoyment of Reds baseball is internet chatting with people you'll likely never meet, you've got issues...

michst
05-24-2007, 02:29 PM
I hardly ever post, many more people know more about baseball than me. I come on to learn more about the Reds. We can still read both forums, so it doesn't bother me one bit. I am just grateful that this forum exists so I can read (and sometimes post) intelligent views on the Reds (and other topics). I deal with a booster organization of about 150 families and know the headaches with dealing with that many individuals. I appreciate everything the mods etc do to make this site enjoyable and informative, no matter what they do they will be criticized.

Team Clark
05-24-2007, 02:35 PM
I dislike not being able to talk to the newbies. I feel like General Pinochet.

I was thinking more like General Nuisance. :laugh: JK JK

mbgrayson
06-03-2007, 01:53 PM
I dislike the change on several levels.

1. As several threads document, the Sundeck quality has diminished since the ORG can no longer post there.

2. I also think the ORG quantity and quality has dropped since there are a lot of people (like myself) who lost ORG status.

3. On a selfish level, I was very sad to lose my ORG designation. When I joined back in 2005, after lurking for a long time, I worked hard to post decent quality comments. It felt good to get positive rep points, and bad the one time I got negative rep. Last summer when I got over 200 points, I was frankly proud that I accomplished more rep points than I had number of posts. (I purposely avoided posting much game thread type chatter). I didn't post a large number of comments, but I still tried to keep the quality up. For these reasons, it didn't seem fair to be demoted back out of ORG almost a year later.

4. There is now no way to get any feedback in Sundeck from ORG members. You can't tell if you are gaining or losing ground. At least with rep points, you could see how you were progressing toward ORG. Now you sit there and just wonder. This will seriously cut into people's motivation to post on Sundeck as well.

I completely agree that BossHog and GIK own the site, and have right to set the rules. They spend countless hours and dollars on this great site. I will continue to post, and would still like to get back into ORG.

Nonetheless, I still liked the previous system better. I have now read most of the various postings discussing their reasons for the changes. I understand to a certain degree.

It just seems to me that many of the complaints generated by the new system, and the problems with the old system, might have been better handled by creating a third class of membership, and making that class more restricted, while keeping the old set up without game threads. (I understand that those old game threads were very difficult to moderate.) Maybe the new class could still be created for the true old-timers, giving them the right to again post in Sundeck AND ORG. I don't know....just a thought.

remdog
06-03-2007, 10:21 PM
I dislike not being able to talk to the newbies. I feel like General Pinochet.

I agree but not just about talking to newbies. There are plenty of posters that post interesting things in Sun Deck and I can't reply to them. The result is I don't bother to read Sun Deck.

The whole thing seems counter-productive to me. (shrug) I do, however, get more work done. LOL

Rem

remdog
06-03-2007, 10:24 PM
Not just newbies, plenty of us that have been around for awhile that will miss getting into with the most negative Reds fan ever. ;)

Then again, FCB is a 'newbie' to some of us. ;)

Rem

RBA
06-04-2007, 12:21 AM
I agree, I miss being able to reply to post in what is now the Sundeck. I now seldom read Sundeck, because I want to reply, but I can't.

I find it interesting there is a move to give "non" Reds fans a "boost" or "bypass" so they can correspond with "ORG" members about their team they follow which is not the Reds. It's disappointing how other team fans will have more privileges than some Reds fans here.

But, it's not my board and Boss/GIK can do what they want.

remdog
06-04-2007, 12:29 AM
I agree, I miss being able to reply to post in what is now the Sundeck. I now seldom read Sundeck, because I want to reply, but I can't.

I find it interesting there is a move to give "non" Reds fans a "boost" or "bypass" so they can correspond with "ORG" members about their team they follow which is not the Reds. It's disappointing how other team fans will have more privileges than some Reds fans here.

I second that emotion. (Who sang that song, anyway. Now it's stuck in my head.)

Rem

KittyDuran
06-04-2007, 07:33 AM
I second that emotion. (Who sang that song, anyway. Now it's stuck in my head.)

RemSmokey Robinson & The Miracles :)

Danny Serafini
06-04-2007, 10:06 AM
I find it interesting there is a move to give "non" Reds fans a "boost" or "bypass" so they can correspond with "ORG" members about their team they follow which is not the Reds. It's disappointing how other team fans will have more privileges than some Reds fans here.

Could not have said that any better.

DTCromer
06-04-2007, 05:03 PM
Honestly, I don't like them. . . and didn't really like the old system either. It's basically a popularity contest and I feel like I'm back in high school to get on the ORG. If someone doesn't agree with you, then you get neg. repped. It was amazing what I was neg. repped for.

The only reason I like this board is because it's a very active Reds board and it's nice to argue with people you disagree with. Unfortunately, you seemed to be looked "down" upon when your view was necessarily the norm.

bradmu
06-19-2007, 02:18 AM
The real reason I came here in the first place was because the reds.com message board was so horrible..I seriously felt dumber by the day reading anything posted there. So I come here to join the Rep system. of which I posted fairly infrequently and never once got any feedback. Didn't really like that system, but whatever...no biggie. I didn't really care to be in the "big kids club"...was able to talk with them about the same stuff in the Sun Deck...and Game threads were nice to have to discuss things during the game.

Then all the sudden, Those two things are taken away? I think thats pretty lame. Count my meaningless vote for letting everyone have Game thread priveledges. Either open it up to everyone...or I guess just have one for the big kids...and one for the lesser posters who aren't quite as inciteful.

AmarilloRed
07-12-2007, 03:02 AM
I was glad the reputation system was done away with; it was not handled very well and there some major inequities in the rep system. I personally never cared to post on game threads, so I won't miss it much. I do wish we could post to the ORG members. I don't mind if we cannot post on ORG yet, but I wish they could post on The Sun Deck so we could have a good discussion of Reds issues.