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reds44
05-22-2007, 08:35 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2007-05-22-3420965397_x.htm



ATLANTA (AP) The Atlanta Braves gave struggling pitcher Mark Redman his unconditional release on Tuesday and resumed the search for a fifth starter.
Former No. 1 pick Joey Devine was called up from Double-A Mississippi.

Redman, an All-Star with Kansas City in 2006, signed with Atlanta during spring training after Mike Hampton went down with an injury.

But Redman never got untracked for the Braves. In six appearances, including five starts, Redman went 0-4 with an 11.63 ERA and gave up a staggering 38 hits in 21 2-3 innings.

The left-hander went on the disabled list this month for surgery to remove an ingrown toenail. He returned to make his last appearance Saturday, giving up a grand slam to Boston's Mike Lowell in his first relief outing of the season.

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"I still wanted to give him one more shot," manager Bobby Cox said. "I thought it was only fair."

After Redman went on the disabled list, the Braves called up Anthony Lerew to fill the fifth spot in the rotation. The rookie had an impressive debut, then struggled in his last two outings before going on the 15-day DL over the weekend with inflamed nerves in his right forearm.

Devine, the Braves' top pick in the 2005 draft, is best known for giving up an 18th-inning homer to Chris Burke in the opening round of the playoffs that season. The homer ended the longest postseason game in history and sent Houston to the NL championship series.

Devine has struggled with his control during his previous stints with the Braves. But the right-hander will at least provide an extra arm in the bullpen through Saturday, when the Braves must come up with another starter.

The budget-conscious Braves have already cut two free agents who were signed before the season to fill out their roster.

Outfielder Craig Wilson, who got a $2 million, one-year deal, was released last week after batting .172 in his brief stint with Atlanta. Redman signed a $750,000 contract and didn't last much longer.

The Associated Press

HumnHilghtFreel
05-22-2007, 08:36 PM
A lot of people around here wanted to give him a shot in the off-season, didn't they?

He's been beyond awful this season.

Dracodave
05-22-2007, 08:39 PM
He's been beyond awful, but hell he was/is cheap...I think it was a case of.."Sign and hope he does some good."

If he was younger, I'd say we should pass..however..He can fill Stanton's role shortly and his age helps! :laugh:

BEETTLEBUG
05-22-2007, 08:40 PM
I still think he could help and he is better than Milton and Craig Wilson would be nice also.

texasdave
05-22-2007, 08:40 PM
I'd love to be the sports headline writer in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today. I know what my headline for this story would be.....Redman Walking :D

CySeymour
05-23-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeah, he was al all star last year, but you have to remeber there's All-Stars like Johan Santana and Jake Peavy, and then there's All Star's like Mark Redman. He was an All Star because KC had to be represented.

LawFive
05-23-2007, 06:38 PM
Yeah, he was al all star last year, but you have to remeber there's All-Stars like Johan Santana and Jake Peavy, and then there's All Star's like Mark Redman. He was an All Star because KC had to be represented.

Ding Ding!! We have a winner.

BamaRed
05-23-2007, 10:21 PM
He's the best BP pitcher money could buy.

44Magnum
05-24-2007, 10:01 AM
I would give him a shot if he were cheap. Could he really be any worse than Lohse?

berryluther
05-24-2007, 03:13 PM
I would give him a shot if he were cheap. Could he really be any worse than Lohse?

There are no waiver wire pick ups that will remotely help this team. The next move that has to be made is to replace the manager. This front office surely cant believe it can win a three legged race let alone a division with this guy managing the team.

I despise the way Narron handles younger players and your looking at a team that will have an infusion of 8-10 young players.

bigredbunter
05-24-2007, 03:29 PM
There are no waiver wire pick ups that will remotely help this team. The next move that has to be made is to replace the manager. This front office surely cant believe it can win a three legged race let alone a division with this guy managing the team.

I despise the way Narron handles younger players and your looking at a team that will have an infusion of 8-10 young players.


Completely agree-:thumbup: Right now, this team needs to be looking at 2008, and to my mind--no one's position (with the exception of Dunn, Harang, Arroyo, Hamilton) is safe.

RichRed
05-24-2007, 03:43 PM
I would give him a shot if he were cheap. Could he really be any worse than Lohse?

I'm tired of this team's management settling for players who might not be worse than what we have, instead of going after guys who have real live baseball talent.

Dracodave
05-24-2007, 03:55 PM
There are no waiver wire pick ups that will remotely help this team. The next move that has to be made is to replace the manager. This front office surely cant believe it can win a three legged race let alone a division with this guy managing the team.

I despise the way Narron handles younger players and your looking at a team that will have an infusion of 8-10 young players.

The entire staff is beyond belief. You don't send a player down during a slump, you put him in positions to break out of it. You don't send a player down who commits a error, you work with him. His feet work, his throwing arm whatever. Even if you have to have him and another player cover bases and work on throws etc.

Don't make an example out of people cause you don't know what else to do. You make really acriminous and unrepentant calls that way. You want to shake up the pot, try trading for more talent..signing better players..do what it takes. Scout more, pick up players like Claudio Vargas, and watch them turn out rather good. You don't go for players like Loshe because you think "Well his scouting report says million dollar arm? Why can't he pitch to a 3.33 era?? Oh ten cent head?? Well I didnt read that far."

HumnHilghtFreel
05-24-2007, 04:09 PM
You don't send a player down during a slump, you put him in positions to break out of it. You don't send a player down who commits a error, you work with him. His feet work, his throwing arm whatever. Even if you have to have him and another player cover bases and work on throws etc.


I don't see why you should avoid sending a player down if he's underperforming for a long stretch of time. You can't put your team at a disadvantage just because a guy's feelings might get hurt in the process.

jimbo
05-24-2007, 04:26 PM
The entire staff is beyond belief. You don't send a player down during a slump, you put him in positions to break out of it. You don't send a player down who commits a error, you work with him. His feet work, his throwing arm whatever. Even if you have to have him and another player cover bases and work on throws etc.


I can't understand this thinking at all. I can agree if you are talking about established major league players with track records, but not young players who are going through prolonged bouts of struggling. The major league level is not where you "work with" young players who have not established themselves yet. That's what the minor league system is in place for. In EE's case, it was not a matter of one error, but a multitude of errors coupled with the fact he was not helping the team at the plate whatsoever.

Are you really suggesting that the Reds continue sending Coffey out there to get shelled every outing? That helps neither himself nor the team. Send him to Louisville where he can work on his game without the pressures of the majors.

Dracodave
05-24-2007, 06:18 PM
I can't understand this thinking at all. I can agree if you are talking about established major league players with track records, but not young players who are going through prolonged bouts of struggling. The major league level is not where you "work with" young players who have not established themselves yet. That's what the minor league system is in place for. In EE's case, it was not a matter of one error, but a multitude of errors coupled with the fact he was not helping the team at the plate whatsoever.

Are you really suggesting that the Reds continue sending Coffey out there to get shelled every outing? That helps neither himself nor the team. Send him to Louisville where he can work on his game without the pressures of the majors.

I wasn't saying anyones name in particular. The truth of the fact matter is this and it's something I've pegged about in countless posts on this site. Which direction is this team heading? We don't know. I didnt name anyone and you guys have brought up Coffey and Edwin. So if Coffey and Edwin should get sent down and by all means they should...Why not designate Stanton? He will not get any better and will continue to get shelled, which is neither good for him or the team.

My statements were broad because I was avoiding the confrontation of having to name people and places and events. As far as this goes..


I don't see why you should avoid sending a player down if he's underperforming for a long stretch of time. You can't put your team at a disadvantage just because a guy's feelings might get hurt in the process.

Feelings aren't my concern. If you have a second year player on your team who should still be batting fifth or sixth and you have him at four. Depend on him for run producing and what not. Unless that player is a Griffey, Hamilton or a top-superstar prospect I don't expect them to take to that change lately. Look at Edwin, getting challenged and he stumbles only to get himself into a hole. He goes down in the line up and gets pitches he can hit..He gets moved back up and stumbles again this time for good.

To avoid sending him down and letting him get back on his feet, this team should have for the umpteenth time gotten right-handed power and let Edwin mature still.

Isn't this the managers and general managers job to find these players that will smooth transitions in for younger players? Instead of finding stop-gaps and praying that our younger guys can just enter the line up and hit for what its worth. Thats what I'm getting at without having to write a essay as a response.

We have two trains of thought when it comes to players both young and old. Simply put if a player does not meet expectations things must be done, whether he is a vet or a young player. The younger one gets sent down to work on it, while the older counterpart will still get shelled.

Thats why I say the staff is in a mess.

jimbo
05-24-2007, 06:58 PM
I wasn't saying anyones name in particular. The truth of the fact matter is this and it's something I've pegged about in countless posts on this site. Which direction is this team heading? We don't know. I didnt name anyone and you guys have brought up Coffey and Edwin. So if Coffey and Edwin should get sent down and by all means they should...Why not designate Stanton? He will not get any better and will continue to get shelled, which is neither good for him or the team.


I mentioned those players because they are two that have been sent down to work on their game. The difference with Stanton is that he is an established veteran with a track record. You know what he is capable of doing, even though he is struggling now. I mentioned this in another thread, but early last season Reds fans were yelling for Weathers to be DFAed after a poor start. He ended up having a good second half and is probably our most reliable reliever. Not saying the same with happen with Stanton, but he did have a good second half last season. Saying he will not get any better is just an opinion, his track record says he could.

The situations with EE and Coffey are just entirely different than with Stanton whether we like it or not.

Dracodave
05-24-2007, 07:08 PM
The situations with EE and Coffey are just entirely different than with Stanton whether we like it or not.

And my point is they shouldnt be. Its not hard to figure out "Hey this guy is giving away runs.." and that he should a) be DLed b)sat for awhile or c)DFA. Theres no middle ground with a 40 year old pitcher not named Johnson or Clemens. Stanton was and will be what he is, a medicore stop gap hopefully till Bray gets back.

We can nit pick all we want but we (all of us) see the problems of the team aren't specificly EE or Coffey but a list. I'm glad we can agree on that. I'm also glad I can freely express this is one of the my reasons for contempt against the current FO, the unwillingness to pull the plug on Stanton. He was horrible in RFK for freaksake last season, and it wasn't till he went to the Giants that he did any good.

jimbo
05-24-2007, 07:18 PM
And my point is they shouldnt be. Its not hard to figure out "Hey this guy is giving away runs.." and that he should a) be DLed b)sat for awhile or c)DFA. Theres no middle ground with a 40 year old pitcher not named Johnson or Clemens. Stanton was and will be what he is, a medicore stop gap hopefully till Bray gets back.


Well, I've already used Weathers as an example as to why this isn't going to happen anytime soon so I'll just leave it at that. Pretty much the entire bullpen is giving up lots of runs, except Weathers, so replacing Stanton at this point would do little. I understand fans frustrations with him and I'm with you on that. I think with his track record though and with this team going nowhere at the time, I'd give him another month or so to work on his game in mop-up like situations to see if he works it out. Especially considering the fact they would have to eat his contract.

Plus, you cannot DL someone not injured. You'd just be asking for trouble by trying.

JLB5
05-24-2007, 07:31 PM
The Braves don't have a 5th starter, maybe they'd like Milton? I know, that's dreaming. But Lohse and Dunn might peak their interest.