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UPRedsFan
05-22-2007, 10:13 PM
Gave Stanton the chance to protect the lead tonight and he showed you what he's capable of again. Whenever Bray's ready Wayne, whenever he's ready.

I'm going to assume tonight was an audition to see if he could do it. Why else would Narron stick with him?

captainmorgan07
05-22-2007, 10:14 PM
i sure have

reds44
05-22-2007, 10:16 PM
I miss Felipe Lopez. I was reminded why he was my favorite Red tonight. Also, I have to think Stanton is the odd men out when Bray comes back in the near future.

rotnoid
05-22-2007, 10:19 PM
I wonder if Stanton's hurt. And if he is, why in the world isn't he saying anything about it? I know he's old, but he's not this bad.

sonny
05-22-2007, 10:25 PM
Well, sometimes guys just fall off. No rhyme or reason to it, but players just get to a point where the game gets increasingly faster and their arm, bat or feet just can't keep up. We're witnessing Stanton in this stage.

rotnoid
05-22-2007, 10:28 PM
Could be. I'm often quick to jump to the injury conclusion. I guess I've just seen too many guys, especially pitcher, keep going when they should stop. Stanton's reactions and comments tend to lean toward him being a guy that wants/needs to be out there to work through whatever's going on. Unfortunately, barring a DL stint, we're going to keep seeing him. That second year is an awful lot to eat and there's not likely a trade partner out there.

Mutaman
05-22-2007, 11:00 PM
Speaking of Homer: “When the staff and our people think he’s ready to come up and we have a spot,” Krivsky said, “he’ll be up here.”

Wayne, I think you have a few "spots".

Ludwig Reds Fan
05-23-2007, 09:05 AM
I wonder if Stanton's hurt. And if he is, why in the world isn't he saying anything about it? I know he's old, but he's not this bad.


He's old.


And he's about done too, I'd say.

boognish
05-23-2007, 10:41 AM
Stanton could not afford to lose any sliver of ability in stuff or command; he simply had no margin for error. I was right behind home plate at the game last night, and his fastball was topping out at 86 (though the radar gun was having problems all night) and Ray King's breaking balls looked better. Even if there is an injury here that hurts his ability in the short term, I think Stanton is finished. He simply can't get back the ability he had in the 90's at this point.

Bad gamble, Wayne.

ALSO, Narron has to know Mr. Stanton has nothing in the tank and should have taken him out after he got through the bottom of the lineup. It is a terrible drain on the roster to have an ineffective "specialist" on the team, but Stanton does, unfortunately for the Reds, fit that description.

rotnoid
05-23-2007, 10:49 AM
Thanks for the first hand account boognish. Your observations make sense, I'll take your word for it.

While this gamble didn't work out, it's unfortunately the kind of gamble teams in the Reds payroll range have to take if they want to take a chance a winning now. They don't all work. We're just in a bad streak right now.

boognish
05-23-2007, 10:57 AM
Sure rotnoid, any time.

I did not like the Stanton signing as I would have rolled the dice with league minimum salary guys instead of giving the 8-figure LTCs to the likes of Speier, Wright, Willliamson, and Schoeneweis.

A couple of gambles I thought made sense were injury risk Chin-Hui Tsao (currently succeeding in the Dodgers pen, though in low-leverage situations and IMO overreliant on his slider instead of his 95-97 heat) and submariner Chad Bradford, though I realize there was no guarantee either would have signed. I also like recent Royals DFA (though picked up by St Louis) Todd Wellemeyer. There are league average guys for cheap, you just have to overturn the right rocks.

redsupport
05-23-2007, 12:38 PM
no he will keep using coffey and stanton, stanton and coffey, just like hemlock and strychnine

DTCromer
05-23-2007, 01:00 PM
Speaking of Homer: “When the staff and our people think he’s ready to come up and we have a spot,” Krivsky said, “he’ll be up here.”

Wayne, I think you have a few "spots".


Why should every team but the Reds take their time and make sure their most prized pitching prospect is more than ready to make their jump to the majors?

nate
05-23-2007, 01:49 PM
I'd like to see a little more of him





on an opposing team.

WMR
05-23-2007, 02:22 PM
no he will keep using coffey and stanton, stanton and coffey, just like hemlock and strychnine

:laugh:

WMR
05-23-2007, 02:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they give Stanton a DL stint before making any sort of irrevocable roster decision. Eating those 2 year contracts just isn't very much fun.

WMR
05-23-2007, 02:24 PM
Why should every team but the Reds take their time and make sure their most prized pitching prospect is more than ready to make their jump to the majors?

When you've got a team standing at the precipice of a lost season, starting the arbitration clock of a potential ACE-LEVEL pitcher for a small/mid-market team like the Reds is foolhardy.

JLB5
05-23-2007, 03:24 PM
He's pitching about the same as he did last year in May and he was worse in June. He's just not a good pitcher any more. Last year he had a great April and September, but otherwise was below average. Those 8 saves he got in San Fran somehow convinced WK to overpay for an over-the-hill reliever. I think the only way we see him gone is DL or trade. At least Narron has moved him out of the 8th inning setup role.

DTCromer
05-23-2007, 06:11 PM
When you've got a team standing at the precipice of a lost season, starting the arbitration clock of a potential ACE-LEVEL pitcher for a small/mid-market team like the Reds is foolhardy.

I agree with that too, but I don't want to bring Homer up just because our pitching staff up here isn't doing too well. You bring a guy like Homer up when he's ready. Right now, he's very, very, very, very close. The only thing I don't like is that his pitch counts have been reached in the 6th innings more often than not. But I'd say 1-2 more good outings, he should be up here as long as they bring him after the arbitration date which is what??? June 1st?

REDblooded
05-23-2007, 06:38 PM
One thing I've learned from all of this.......If I'm a middle reliever in my late 30's, early 40's, and I'm looking to cash in one last time, I'll take the league minimum to pitch for a year in Washington or San Diego...........funny how a massive pitchers park can fool others into still thinking you have a little left in the tank.

Tom Servo
05-23-2007, 11:10 PM
My father and I cracked up when Narron brought him in, and cracked up when he gave up the 3-run double. Ridiculously hilarious.

captainmorgan07
05-23-2007, 11:10 PM
If We Keep Stanton We Are By Far The Dumbest Organization In The History Or Baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

justincredible
05-23-2007, 11:11 PM
Is Narron the only person who didn't see that coming? The man is completely clueless.

KYRed
05-23-2007, 11:23 PM
I can't believe we locked him in for next year as well. We get to dump over 1.5 years of salary if we release him.

I have a dream, a dream that at some point in the future Stanton will blow another lead or make sure a game is out of reach like tonight, and then I'll wake up the next day to see he's finally been dumped. Then I'll know the night before was a productive loss!

UPRedsFan
05-24-2007, 12:07 AM
You're missing the positive sign tonight. Narron didn't save him for when we have a lead. He used him when we were down what 4 runs? He didn't waste Salmon in that situation. He's changing roles in the bullpen. I agree he needs to be released, but that's Wayne's call. Narron's headed in right direction.

WMR
05-24-2007, 12:25 AM
"The Stanton Man Can"

I'm telling ya, Natty, get this thing on tape and send it to WLW!!

44Magnum
05-24-2007, 02:24 PM
If Wayne hasn't seen enough of Stanton, by now, he never will!
Maybe he's being blinded by the bling off of his championship rings.

RichRed
05-24-2007, 02:34 PM
My father and I cracked up when Narron brought him in, and cracked up when he gave up the 3-run double. Ridiculously hilarious.

Yep, I actually laugh when Narron brings Stanton in now. It's like I can't believe it's happening but totally expect it, all at the same time.

It makes my head hurt.

bucksfan2
05-24-2007, 02:48 PM
I was thinking about stanton and saw his contract and thought how hard it would be for the reds to eat that salary. But didn't Weathers have a rough start or season when he first was a red? I remember because people were calling him Stormy Weathers.

Ludwig Reds Fan
05-24-2007, 04:28 PM
When you've got a team standing at the precipice of a lost season, starting the arbitration clock of a potential ACE-LEVEL pitcher for a small/mid-market team like the Reds is foolhardy.

Yep. THATS what it all comes down to. As far as ability or not being "ready" for reasons why Bailey isn't up here, I just don't buy it.

Homer isn't ready but Stanton, Coffey, and crew are?!

Maybe Kriv needs to look up the word "ready."

I mean, what is the worst that would happen to Bailey? He comes up here and gets rocked? If anything I would think that would help him "fit in" around here. People act like he would be traumatized or whatever. Even if he is, maybe Dunn would loan Homer some of his "Apathy Juice." Just one swig and "three strikes later, your back to thinking about your golf handicap." :D

That all being said, I agree that it would be nuts to blow an arb year on Bailey when this season is done anyway, and the budget is so small.

RedEye
05-25-2007, 02:51 AM
Thanks for the first hand account boognish. Your observations make sense, I'll take your word for it.

While this gamble didn't work out, it's unfortunately the kind of gamble teams in the Reds payroll range have to take if they want to take a chance a winning now. They don't all work. We're just in a bad streak right now.

I really don't agree with this. There is no reason for the Reds to gamble on over-the-hill relievers when they have ample resources in their minor league system. Salmon, Coutlangus, et al were here last season and in the off season, and we never gave them a look before we signed Stanton. The smart teams build bullpens by orchestrating savvy trades and bargain-basement signings, not by signing overpriced vets. Wayne has shown zero talent for this type of roster building, and right now we're reaping the punishment.