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Tigs
05-28-2007, 08:22 PM
I was just thinking of some possible moves the Reds could make and I'm and just seeing if you guys like the deals, and if you think they are realistic.

Whitesox get: Ken Griffey Jr. OF
Reds get: John Danks SP and Robert Valido SS

or

Redsox get: Ken Griffey Jr. OF
Reds get: Clay Bucholz SP and George Kottaras C

Dodgers get: Adam Dunn OF
Reds get: Jonathan Broxton RP and Matt Kemp OF

or

Angels get: Adam Dunn OF
Reds get: Erik Aybar SS and Jeff Mathis C

with the Angels I would also be interested in getting Mosley back with our organiszation maybe sub him with Mathis if they won't give him up.

with any of these trades we can throw in a Weathers, Conine, or Hatteberg, and it will still be fine.

If you guys have any feedback on how realistic they are, or if you aproove. If there is a trade you don't like or something, throw in some of your ideas too.

bearcatfan24
05-28-2007, 08:26 PM
We do not need shortstop at all because we have Gonzalez. Also at this point none of these teams would be willing to make trades except for maybe the white sox

reds44
05-28-2007, 08:44 PM
Interesting ideas, and pretty realistic.


Whitesox get: Ken Griffey Jr. OF
Reds get: John Danks SP and Robert Valido SS

Not so sure the Sox would go for this just because losing Danks would sort of deplete their rotation for the stretch run. I honestly don't know much about Valido, what can you tell me about him?


Redsox get: Ken Griffey Jr. OF
Reds get: Clay Bucholz SP and George Kottaras C
Interesting idea. It would always be nice to get a talented young catcher. Bucholz is a bit of a risk, but definatley has alot of upside. It's difficult to know the real market value for Junior. He's off to a great start, and one of the greatest hitters of all time. However, he's still making alot of money, he's still old, and he's still and injury risk. It's hard to know what his value is.


Dodgers get: Adam Dunn OF
Reds get: Jonathan Broxton RP and Matt Kemp OF
Probably my favorite deal you posted. L.A. needs a lefty power bat, and Broxton and Kemp offer the Reds help now and for the future. Kemp is a right handed, young bat, something the Reds are desperatley lacking outside of EE. Kemp could also push Hamilton to IMO his best position RF. Broxton would step in and be a great, young arm in the bullpen. Works for both teams IMO.

Dunn to LA for Kemp and a pitcher or two seems like a realistic deal that could go down.

larks
05-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Griffey doesnt fit in with the Red Sox. They have Ramirez, Crisp and Drew in the OF with Pena backing up. Ortiz at DH. Griffey's only real spot barring an injury would be to learn how to play first. I doubt the Red Sox would really want that mid season. Everyone seems to think they need a new first baseman but I think they are happy with Youkilis.

Not a snowballs chance in heck the Dodgers do that trade. Id forever love Krivsky if he could pull that off but Kemp is the best of the Dodgers numerous prospects. If you go by PECOTA he had one of the top 35 VORP projections in all of baseball. Ahead of studs like Holliday and Carlos Lee. I think a more likely return from the Dodgers would be Ethier but I still highly doubt that they would do that deal.

As for the White Sox proposal I think if you would susbsitute Larry Broadway for Danks it would be more likely. Danks is the Sox top prospect right now.

I think the Angels proposal is the most likely but I dont know much about Jeff Mathis situation in Anaheim. If Mike Napoli doesnt turn it around I doubt they would part with him. Also the Reds would have to find a taker for Alex Gonzalez so Aybar could slot into short.

reds44
05-28-2007, 08:48 PM
Griffey's an upgrade over both Crisp and Drew. I don't think Dunn for Kemp is as unlikely as you think it is.

Tigs
05-28-2007, 09:00 PM
Not so sure the Sox would go for this just because losing Danks would sort of deplete their rotation for the stretch run. I honestly don't know much about Valido, what can you tell me about him?Valido is very similar to Paul Janish IMO, he is nothing to build a future on but just a good minor leaguer to throw in.

Tigs
05-28-2007, 09:06 PM
Griffey doesnt fit in with the Red Sox. They have Ramirez, Crisp and Drew in the OF with Pena backing up. Ortiz at DH. Griffey's only real spot barring an injury would be to learn how to play first. I doubt the Red Sox would really want that mid season. Everyone seems to think they need a new first baseman but I think they are happy with Youkilis. I just thought Griffey was an upgrade to Crisp



I think the Angels proposal is the most likely but I dont know much about Jeff Mathis situation in Anaheim. If Mike Napoli doesnt turn it around I doubt they would part with him. Also the Reds would have to find a taker for Alex Gonzalez so Aybar could slot into short.I was making this trade as if Gonzalez was part of the "sale" during the trade deadline.

larks
05-28-2007, 09:12 PM
Griffey would definitely be an upgrade for both but I dont think the Red Sox are looking to replace Drew anytime soon with the contract they just gave him. So it would it come down to sliding Drew to center and putting Griffey in right.

I read the LA proposals as Griffey instead of Dunn. Dunn for Kemp and Broxtown would definitely be more likely. If Im the GM of the Dodgers though I dont pull the trigger on that one. I still say Broxton, Ethier and hopefully an aditional player like Hong-Chih Kuo) would be a more likely return for Dunn.

Dunn for Aybar and Mathis would still definitely be the most realistic in my opinion if we can move Gonzalez.

nmculbreth
05-28-2007, 09:14 PM
Griffey's an upgrade over both Crisp and Drew. I don't think Dunn for Kemp is as unlikely as you think it is.

I'd certainly agree that Junior is an upgrade over both Crisp and Drew but I still don't see the Red Sox as a great fit for Junior. I guess I could see the Sox playing Junior in right and sliding Drew into CF but I still don't think that is a likely scenario. I do think the White Sox would be a good fit for Junior but I'm not sure they'd be willing to give up Danks for him. I don't know a whole lot about the prospects in the White Sox organization but if they're close around the deadline I could see them making a serious run at Griffey.

I love the proposed Dunn for Broxton and Kemp deal but I'm not sure the Dodgers would be willing to give up Broxton. One of the Dodgers biggest strengths is the back end of their bullpen, I'm sure they'd love to add a power bat like Dunn but probably not at the expense of their bullpen. With that being said if I could get both Broxton and Kemp for Dunn, I make the deal in a heartbeat. I'm less keen on a Broxton and Ethier package but I'd still consider it.


I think the Angels are a good fit for Dunn but with Alex Gonzalez and Brandon Phillips here for the long run I'm not sure Aybar is a great fit. Given the Angels strong starting pitching I'd love to see the Reds target Nick Adenhart and another prospect.

larks
05-28-2007, 09:22 PM
I think the Angels are a good fit for Dunn but with Alex Gonzalez and Brandon Phillips here for the long run I'm not sure Aybar is a great fit. Given the Angels strong starting pitching I'd love to see the Reds target Nick Adenhart and another prospect.

That would be my one qualm with the Angels proposal. I would hate to trade Dunn with out getting one good quality arm. Adenhart would be pretty good fit for this park too. His fastball has great late sinking action.

Substitute Adenhart for Aybar. Adenhart, Mathis for Dunn :thumbup: Likely just a pipe dream though.

Degenerate39
05-28-2007, 10:05 PM
No to all

Mario-Rijo
05-29-2007, 12:57 AM
Rangers get Dunn, EZ/Hopper and Conine and perhaps cash.

Reds get Texiera

I can make a convincing argument for this on paper. It really all depends on what Texas thinks about Dunn's value.

nate
05-29-2007, 07:55 AM
Why do the Reds need Teixeira with Votto nearly ready?

bucksfan2
05-29-2007, 08:25 AM
How about this trade.

Boston gets
Griffey and Freel

Reds get
Crisp, Lester, Minor leaguer

I really don't know much if anything about the sox farm systerm but I think this may work. If Epstein can see Freel turning into a Dave Roberts type of piece that they had in Dave Roberts a few years ago this could happen. It seems as if the Sox are really down on Crisp and the reds may be able to pry away Lester from the Sox as they make a run at the series.

eastkyred
05-29-2007, 08:50 AM
I love Dunn for Kemp and Broxton. I think Broxton would fill the closers roll in Cincy from day 1 and Kemp would replace Dunn in the OF from day 1. Kemp isn't going to immediately replace Dunn's power, but I bet over a full season in 2008, Kemp and Votto could match the power numbers of Dunn and Hatte. Kemp would be big upgrade defensively. The other thing this trade does is gives us about $20 mil to spend in the offseason with Dunn and Milton's salary being gone. This money could be spent on other areas of need. (SP or C). I would love this deal.

hebroncougar
05-29-2007, 09:01 AM
IF Krivsky could pull off the Dunn for Broxton/Kemp deal, I'd forgive him for the debacle of some of his previous dealings and signings.

goreds2
05-29-2007, 11:28 AM
Over the weekend, Tracy Jones predicted a big trade(s) to come soon.

(I am ducking...:D)

texasdave
05-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Over the weekend, Tracy Jones predicted a big trade(s) to come soon.

(I am ducking...:D)

If anyone would know about big trades it would be Tracy Jones. After all he has been an integral part of so many big ones, involving such names as Mike Aldrete, Pat Sheridan, Darnell Coles and more. :D

Mario-Rijo
05-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by nate
Why do the Reds need Teixeira with Votto nearly ready?

That's a fair enough question, but ask yourself why the Reds are trying Joey out in LF? Either Joey's defense thus far is disturbing (7 errors, I believe) or they are preparing themselves for a trade of Dunn or both.

The fact is no matter how good Votto may or not be, it is irrelevent for a deal of Texiera. Because if you can secure the services of a guy who is a much better hitter than Dunn, nearly as much power, a year younger (actually more like 6 months) and plays gold glove defense at any position you do it.

Especially when that defense would likely have a dramatic effect on his IF mates as well. I think it saves EE maybe 5 or more errors a year who knows. Perhaps more if EE knows he's got a guy over there who can get to alot and feels more at ease therefore makes better throws.

If they don't feel Votto is the answer at 1st then who else do you have lined up for that spot? EE, I doubt it there is something to be said for a big target over at 1st and 6 ft tall doesn't necc. qualify. Tex is about 6 ft 3 and 220 lbs.

Plus you get the added bonus of sorta steering Dunn out of the NL for good as he would be near home in Arlington. If all goes well he would be very likely to re-sign there after his contract is up.

Overall it just has the makings of a perfect fit deal IMO.

nmculbreth
05-29-2007, 07:02 PM
That's a fair enough question, but ask yourself why the Reds are trying Joey out in LF? Either Joey's defense thus far is disturbing (7 errors, I believe) or they are preparing themselves for a trade of Dunn or both.

The fact is no matter how good Votto may or not be, it is irrelevent for a deal of Texiera. Because if you can secure the services of a guy who is a much better hitter than Dunn, nearly as much power, a year younger (actually more like 6 months) and plays gold glove defense at any position you do it.

Especially when that defense would likely have a dramatic effect on his IF mates as well. I think it saves EE maybe 5 or more errors a year who knows. Perhaps more if EE knows he's got a guy over there who can get to alot and feels more at ease therefore makes better throws.

If they don't feel Votto is the answer at 1st then who else do you have lined up for that spot? EE, I doubt it there is something to be said for a big target over at 1st and 6 ft tall doesn't necc. qualify. Tex is about 6 ft 3 and 220 lbs.

Plus you get the added bonus of sorta steering Dunn out of the NL for good as he would be near home in Arlington. If all goes well he would be very likely to re-sign there after his contract is up.

Overall it just has the makings of a perfect fit deal IMO.

I really like Teixiera but IMHO this trade makes absolutely no sense for either side. Teixeira, like Dunn, is a free agent after 2008. If the Rangers are going to trade Teixeira, they're going to want to get multiple prospects who can figure into their long term plans, not a short term rental player like Adam Dunn. Similarly why would the Reds be interested in renting Teixeira for a season and a half? If the Reds are going to be in rebuilding mode, trading Dunn only makes sense if they get back a number of prospects that fit into the club's long term future.

dougflynn23
05-29-2007, 09:01 PM
Not a snowballs chance in heck the Dodgers do that trade. Id forever love Krivsky if he could pull that off but Kemp is the best of the Dodgers numerous prospects. If you go by PECOTA he had one of the top 35 VORP projections in all of baseball. Ahead of studs like Holliday and Carlos Lee. I think a more likely return from the Dodgers would be Ethier but I still highly doubt that they would do that deal.

:)Ned Colletti would lose his job if he made that trade. I doubt the Dodgers would trade Broxton for Dunn straight up.