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bounty37h
06-05-2007, 02:27 PM
Hey, I forgot to mention in my previos thread that Votto started and played the entire game in left yesterday. Is this normal, does he sometimes play outfield?

mound_patrol
06-05-2007, 02:29 PM
Hey, I forgot to mention in my previos thread that Votto started and played the entire game in left yesterday. Is this normal, does he sometimes play outfield?

It's happened a couple times I think and it's because the bats are thin in the outfield while there are a ton of infielders. Just trying to get people playing time.

bounty37h
06-05-2007, 02:33 PM
Thanks, I figured that from looking at the roster, but wanted to see if it maybe was a sign of things to come, trying to see what we have where, etc...Esp with the once again continued Dunn trade theory heating up again...

Triples
06-05-2007, 02:44 PM
Actually, I'm nearly certain that the front office has sent down an order that certain players are expected to play more than one position. Its my understanding that want more versitility at the major league level. So, it may be reflective of playing time or too many infielders, but I beleive he's required to play the outfield on a scheduled basis regardless. You'll find several players doing the same at different levels. Anderson and Janish at AA, and Bruce at A+ are three that I know of for sure. There may be others.


It's happened a couple times I think and it's because the bats are thin in the outfield while there are a ton of infielders. Just trying to get people playing time.

edabbs44
06-05-2007, 02:56 PM
It's happened a couple times I think and it's because the bats are thin in the outfield while there are a ton of infielders. Just trying to get people playing time.

Could be more than that...he's a top prospect with no one ahead of him. The other guys should be moving.

jmcclain19
06-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Need to get Votto ready for the bigs for when Krivsky flips Dunn for two injured relief pitchers next month.

BRM
06-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Need to get Votto ready for the bigs for when Krivsky flips Dunn for two injured relief pitchers next month.

Yeah, but he won't find out they are injured until a week after their arrival in Cincinnati. ;)

I'm leaning towards thinking this is nothing more than a lack of healthy outfielders on the Louisville roster. At least I hope that's all it is.

NC Reds
06-05-2007, 03:45 PM
I was at that game in Durham yesterday. Votto is not an outfielder; he was shaky on a few fly balls in the game. The whole organization is completely screwed up if they just don't let Votto settle into first base.

TOBTTReds
06-05-2007, 04:06 PM
The whole organization is completely screwed up

Old news...haha. Maybe this is just a way to get him time this year in the bigs. Then next year he will be at 1B.

dougdirt
06-05-2007, 06:19 PM
Old news...haha. Maybe this is just a way to get him time this year in the bigs. Then next year he will be at 1B.

Yes, because that would make sense. Find him time in the OF with Dunn, Griffey, Freel and Hamilton.... or at first base with Conine and Hatteberg.... This organization makes my head hurt so much at times...

bounty37h
06-06-2007, 11:30 AM
Yes, because that would make sense. Find him time in the OF with Dunn, Griffey, Freel and Hamilton.... or at first base with Conine and Hatteberg.... This organization makes my head hurt so much at times...

^Thats what was making me wonder if something was up, possibly a Dunn trade as has been rumored for sooo long, looking to see if they have any gapp-plugs if they pull the trigger on Dunn....

HokieRed
06-06-2007, 12:07 PM
Time to move Hatteberg and bring Votto. Keep Conine as a right-handed bat but try to move him at the deadline. Put Votto at first base and let him concentrate on learning to hit major league pitching. Keep on shopping Dunn, as I'm sure they are, not giving in for too little but remembering the salary savings are an important part of configuring next year's team too. Opening day 2008: Votto, Phillips, Gonzalez, EE; Griffey, Hamilton, RH hitting LF to be acquired; C to be acquired. Bench: Freel, Hopper, Keppinger, Valentin, LH pinch-hitter.

TOBTTReds
06-06-2007, 01:43 PM
Yes, because that would make sense. Find him time in the OF with Dunn, Griffey, Freel and Hamilton.... or at first base with Conine and Hatteberg.... This organization makes my head hurt so much at times...

Doug, do you think those four will be here in August? I don't.

The_jbh
06-06-2007, 03:03 PM
I think Votto has been hitting too well in AAA to have hatteburg starting ne more... its time to deal him for a prospect... bring on the youth movement!

I think Votto will energize this offense...

indy_dave00
06-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Rick Sweet (Louisville manager) on a recent Durham radio interview said Joey Votto will hit at the major league league level he knows how to make adjustments.

He then said our job here is to refine other parts of his game. He needs work defensively at 1st base and will play some outfield to add to his versitility for the big leagues.

Appears Joey will bide time playing both spots till he is recalled. They were also amazed in Durham that Jeff Keppinger isn't on a big league roster as a utility man , the guy is a big league hitter in their eyes.

Doc. Scott
06-06-2007, 04:28 PM
Rick Sweet (Louisville manager) on a recent Durham radio interview said Joey Votto will hit at the major league league level he knows how to make adjustments.

He then said our job here is to refine other parts of his game. He needs work defensively at 1st base and will play some outfield to add to his versitility for the big leagues.

Appears Joey will bide time playing both spots till he is recalled. They were also amazed in Durham that Jeff Keppinger isn't on a big league roster as a utility man , the guy is a big league hitter in their eyes.


I agree Keppinger is a big-league hitter. The problem is that he doesn't do anything else well at all beyond get hits.

dougdirt
06-06-2007, 07:27 PM
Doug, do you think those four will be here in August? I don't.

I hope not, but Dunn is probably the only one who they will trade. Votto however cant play the outfield at all. He makes Dunn look very good out there.

TOBTTReds
06-06-2007, 09:22 PM
I hope not, but Dunn is probably the only one who they will trade. Votto however cant play the outfield at all. He makes Dunn look very good out there.

I haven't seen him play out there.

Eric_Davis
06-06-2007, 10:48 PM
Rick Sweet (Louisville manager) on a recent Durham radio interview said Joey Votto will hit at the major league league level he knows how to make adjustments.

He then said our job here is to refine other parts of his game. He needs work defensively at 1st base and will play some outfield to add to his versitility for the big leagues.

Appears Joey will bide time playing both spots till he is recalled. They were also amazed in Durham that Jeff Keppinger isn't on a big league roster as a utility man , the guy is a big league hitter in their eyes.


I didn't know Rick Sweet is the Louisville Manager. He used to be the Manager here in Portland.

Eric_Davis
06-06-2007, 10:49 PM
I hope not, but Dunn is probably the only one who they will trade. Votto however cant play the outfield at all. He makes Dunn look very good out there.


So, on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is great and 1 is horrible, Dunn is a 3 and Votto is a 1? (for LF)

dougdirt
06-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Pretty much.

Votto looks completely lost out there a lot of the time.

Eric_Davis
06-07-2007, 01:49 AM
Pretty much.

Votto looks completely lost out there a lot of the time.

Well, in the National League you can only have one of those guys. Many a good team has done well with a guy like that at 1st Base. I know stats don't back it up, but I've heard that Gonzalez and Phillips have the range to make up for it as they can all shift over a little. I've seen EdE's range, and it's great. I've seen Phillips get to a lot of balls in the outfield with his speed, too, but I don't know about his left-right agility. Phillips is also young and will only get better as will Votto and EdE.

Looking forward to seeing him in the starting lineup next March 31st.

bucksfan2
06-07-2007, 09:47 AM
If votto has the ability I think its good that he can play LF and 1b. He may not be good but if he is ok then it helps the team. Remember when Pujols can up (I am not even trying to compare Votto to Pujols) and played 1b, 3b, LF, RF. It wasn't until his second or thrid season that he was the every day 1b.

paintmered
06-07-2007, 09:50 AM
If votto has the ability I think its good that he can play LF and 1b. He may not be good but if he is ok then it helps the team. Remember when Pujols can up (I am not even trying to compare Votto to Pujols) and played 1b, 3b, LF, RF. It wasn't until his second or thrid season that he was the every day 1b.

I'm not sure how much natural defensive ability Pujols has, but he plays a surprisingly good first base.

Doug, how does Votto rate as a defensive 1st baseman?

Blitz Dorsey
06-07-2007, 01:15 PM
From my understanding, Votto is not nearly as bad at 1B as he is in the OF, but he's still a below-average defensive first baseman.

The Reds have a $1.5 million team option on Hatteberg for 2008 -- the same salary he is making this year. He is very solid defensively (other than his dead arm) and is still a good hitter. Too bad Votto isn't right handed then they could platoon the two because I think the team wants to keep Hatte at that price. But since they are both lefties, Hatte will probably be traded or his option won't be picked up. You have to go with the younger guy next year (or even later this year), and this is coming from a huge Scott Hatteberg fan.

dougdirt
06-07-2007, 11:46 PM
I'm not sure how much natural defensive ability Pujols has, but he plays a surprisingly good first base.

Doug, how does Votto rate as a defensive 1st baseman?

I always hear that he 'needs work on his defense' at first base, but the only problem I have really seen from him in the handful of times I have watched him play is that he is undecisive on whether to go for a ball or not into the 1st base/2nd base hole at times, or that he does go into that hole when he shouldnt. As far as his glove over there, I have not seen any real problems as far as him catching a ball over there.

reds44
06-07-2007, 11:49 PM
Votto is a brutal 1st baseman. Awful footwoork, and can't pick a thing. Edwin and him will have issues.

Votto was in LF again tonight.

dougdirt
06-07-2007, 11:51 PM
Votto is a brutal 1st baseman. Awful footwoork, and can't pick a thing. Edwin and him will have issues.

Votto was in LF again tonight.

Maybe I just catch him on good games then. I dont get to watch him every night, so I can only say what I see. It sounds like you see him more than me so let me ask you this, do you also notice his 1st base/2nd base hole problem or is that something that I just unluckily have gotten to notice?

Aronchis
06-07-2007, 11:52 PM
Votto is a brutal 1st baseman. Awful footwoork, and can't pick a thing. Edwin and him will have issues.

Votto was in LF again tonight.

I disagree. He is quite passable and will improve. He is a brutally bad LF though.

reds44
06-07-2007, 11:54 PM
I disagree. He is quite passable and will improve. He is a brutally bad LF though.
He's bad in both. He has room for improvemnt in both positions though. He is certainly athletic.

Falls City Beer
06-08-2007, 12:04 AM
Well, then, it's not like we have wizards at 1B and left in the majors right now anyway. So it's not likely to be a noticeable dropoff. Where he could impact of course is with a plus bat.