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reds44
06-06-2007, 12:44 AM
I seriously can not watch Jerry Narron manage this team anymore.

Will Marcus McBeth ever pitch? He brings wild Burton in for the 9th instead of him.

McBeth is a better pitcher then Burton. Simple as that. I say that will 100% confidence.

Narron just baffles me. He frusterates me to a point where I can't take it anymore.

redsupport
06-06-2007, 12:46 AM
he is a winner; haven't you digested the latest bromide from the "front office"

KYRed
06-06-2007, 12:47 AM
Totally agree, except I'm neutral on McBeth over Burton. The reason for that is simple, I have no clue what McBeth has in real life, for obvious reasons, as you stated.

To put it simply, we deserved to lose tonight. 2 for 17 with RISP is simply disgusting. STL is not a good team this season, but they are good enough to drive in a needed run when granted a walk. The Reds are not. Welch is right when he says it was a "team effort" tonight, a team effort for a loss.

reds44
06-06-2007, 12:48 AM
Harang and Castro left 5 LOB each.

When you throw out a lineup that features Ross, Castro, and the pitcher at the bottom, you are going to leave tons of men on base.

The fact that he hit the two best on base men lately in front of the black hole, compounds the problem.

Tomorrow's lineup should be:
Hatteberg 1B
Edwin 3B
Griffey RF
Dunn LF
Phillips 2B
Hamilton CF
Gonzalez SS
Ross C

Narron goes through pitchers like toliet paper too, yet he refuses to pitch McBeth.

He has no business being the manager of this team, and how Krivsky can't see that is beyond me.

George Foster
06-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Game thoughts......I wish I had the last 3 hours back I wasted on this game.
We start our best pitcher against a "bullpenner" and still lose.

That nun was a looker back in the day...

Ross and Taco are horrible defensively....

I got to get that thing on my toe taken off....

The reason Griffey did not pinch hit in the 9th is?.....

I hope Stinnett is ok....got hit in the neck....

Dunn broke like 10 bats tonight....

7 hits for the Reds tonight....2-17 with RISP...the Dragons could of done better, seriously.....

Did I close the garage door?.....

reds44
06-06-2007, 12:56 AM
The reason Griffey did not pinch hit in the 9th is?.....

Already as used earlier in the game.

George Foster
06-06-2007, 12:58 AM
Already as used earlier in the game.

missed it...Tuesday is "The Shield" night....had the game muted on split screen...thanks.

HumnHilghtFreel
06-06-2007, 01:00 AM
Just wondering if anyone has the numbers... how many times have the Reds left the bases loaded this year? 2 times tonight.

reds44
06-06-2007, 01:02 AM
I want to know what Jerry Narron has against Marcus McBeth.

Fay and Trent both said similar things in their blogs, hopefully they man up and ask Jerry in the locker room.

And you know McBeth will be sent down Firday when Homer comes up. You also know Narron will say it's because he hasn't pitched in awhile. I WONDER WHY JERRY?

Moonlite Graham
06-06-2007, 01:10 AM
Bottom line is....losing teams go out of their way to find new ways to lose.

The last two games certainly proves that.

Or as Welshie so eloquently put it...."tonight was a team effort"

LvJ
06-06-2007, 01:17 AM
"Pathetic" is the only way to describe it. So many missed opts.

adampad
06-06-2007, 03:07 AM
This Reds team has that important Killer Instict. You know......the suicidal kind.

Strikes Out Looking
06-06-2007, 08:50 AM
I seriously can not watch Jerry Narron manage this team anymore.

Will Marcus McBeth ever pitch? He brings wild Burton in for the 9th instead of him.

McBeth is a better pitcher then Burton. Simple as that. I say that will 100% confidence.

Narron just baffles me. He frusterates me to a point where I can't take it anymore.

If I could still give rep points, I'd give you mine for the day. As I've said before, Narron is an in-the-box thinker, in fact, he's so far in the box, he's ready to be packaged and shipped off to another organization...soon, very soon.

fielder's choice
06-06-2007, 09:44 AM
If I could still give rep points, I'd give you mine for the day. As I've said before, Narron is an in-the-box thinker, in fact, he's so far in the box, he's ready to be packaged and shipped off to another organization...soon, very soon.

Narron will never manage again in the major leagues, you can count on that.

StrikeIndicator
06-06-2007, 10:01 AM
:bang: I still do not understand Narron's love affair with Burton. :mooner:

He pitched at a lower level last year than our own homegrown relievers and guys in Lville who did well then and continue to do well with the Bats.

Bats update :beerme:
ps Salmon pitched last night for the Bats,
1 inning
no runs
10 pitches 9 strikes, 1 wild pitch (got the batters attention)
1K, 1 Hit, 2 ground outs

pss Sarloos pitched the night before
2 innings
no runs
1 hit
1 bb
2K
24 pitches 16 strikes (no chin music)

There was a good reason that he spent last year in AA, Jerry just hasn't figured out that it was because that was the level where he was competitive.

Yes, I understand that he is a Rule 5 guy, but if you look at the stats since the last rule 5 rule change, being a R5 guy in no way guarantees that you will do well in the bigs.

:thumbdown
By all observations so far he has not shown me anything that would justify him taking up a roster spot for the entire season.

Ohioballplayer
06-06-2007, 10:52 AM
Reds 44 you have hi the nail on the head, I don't get why, a pathetic Reds squad has to deal with a non-functioning manager, Narron could not handle my little league lineup, I am tired of all the non-sense for the so called "Baseball Guy", it really saddens me to watch the 8th inning hi-jincks as of... well.... all season long, the use of pitchers, the poor pinch hitting at times. This is a baseball team that I watched growing up, this is a championship city, with less than mediocre teams. Bring back the 70's.

bucksfan2
06-06-2007, 11:07 AM
What I saw in last nights game was

A bottom three of Ross, Castro, and Harang may be the worst in all of baseball.

Castro is not a major league player anymore.

When Harang came up to bat with the bases loaded I would have given him the take sign on every pitch.

Valentine needs to learn how not to swing from his heels on every swing.

I dont think Coffey will ever be the pitcher everyone had hoped he would.

Narron used both his bullets in one inning. I can't blame him but I wonder if I would have done the same had I been in that spot.

joeberk
06-06-2007, 11:34 AM
This is my biggest problem with Jerry Narron - his usage of pitchers.

The last time he used Burton in Houston - in a game that was all but lost - he gave up two runs and Stanton had to bail him out of the inning. What in that outing told Narron that Burton the guy who was going to get three outs without giving up any runs in the bottom of the ninth? I mean, you want to show confidence in the guy, but you've also got to put him in the proper situation to develop him. Narron's actions seem to do more to hurt guy's confidence. It's almost as though Narron is doing his best to make Krivsky look bad regardless of the result to the team - "You're making me keep this guy in the bullpen, so I'll use him and we'll all blame you when we lose."

:thumbdown

As far as McBeth, the vicious circle is setup to repeat itself - he sits on the bench for days, his debut outing will be rough, then Narron won't trust him (sending him to the back of the bullpen) or he'll lobby to send him back to AAA. It's pitiful. He should have been the first guy out of the bullpen Sunday at Colorado.

eastkyred
06-06-2007, 12:16 PM
I think Narron needs to go, but I didn't think his use of his bullpen was bad last night. The only thing I would have done different is bring Weathers in for the 9th. I think when there is a tied game in the 9th inning, you start with your best bullpen arm left and work backwards from there. I would also like to at least see McBeth. I've got no opinion on him yet, but as for the rest of that bullpen...I wouldn't want to be in Narron's shoes, picking which one to send out. Krivski's got to take the blame for the bullpen. Weathers is the only one that has had any success, and he should be a 3rd or 4th option in a good bullpen. (ie: San Diego, LA)

reds44
06-06-2007, 02:10 PM
Manager Tony La Russa said Harang should be suspended for letting the pitch (that hit Gary Benett in the head) get away. The team described the injury as a contusion to the back of the skull and La Russa said he had not been updated on Bennett's status.

"There isn't anything in baseball that I object to more," La Russa said. "Whether we hit them or they hit them, I've said it for almost as long as I've been managing: I'd suspend a guy two weeks to start with.

"A month the next time and then a season, if a major league pitcher doesn't have better command than that."



What the is LaRussa talking about? It was so obvious it was a mistake pitch. As soon as Harang let it go and saw it him in the head he dropped his head and kicked the mound. Ross put his hand on Benett to see if he was alright.

Then, a few innings later a Cardinals relief pitcher (Ryan Franklin I think) whizzed a pitch right by Brandon Phillips' ear hole that nearly hit Phillips in the head. The next pitch, Franklin drilled him in the ribs. I wonder if he was trying to hit Phillips? Hmmmmmm.....

Caseyfan21
06-06-2007, 02:55 PM
What the is LaRussa talking about? It was so obvious it was a mistake pitch. As soon as Harang let it go and saw it him in the head he dropped his head and kicked the mound. Ross put his hand on Benett to see if he was alright.

Then, a few innings later a Cardinals relief pitcher (Ryan Franklin I think) whizzed a pitch right by Brandon Phillips' ear hole that nearly hit Phillips in the head. The next pitch, Franklin drilled him in the ribs. I wonder if he was trying to hit Phillips? Hmmmmmm.....

Yeah, the Cards reliever also threw at Harang. I forget the pitcher but Harang came up with 2 outs and no one on late in the game (6th maybe) and the reliever threw 4 straight inside. This was after he had quickly retired 2 batters. Then the reliever was able to suddenly regain his control for the next batter and get him out. The obvious lack of control against Harang compared to every other pitch he threw that inning was absolutely amazing.

If that and Phillips weren't obvious then I don't know what was. Harang wasn't trying to hit him in the head, the pitch started over the plate and then rode up and in. It got away from him. Was a warning ever given in the game last night? I can see this escalating again tonight possibly even if the first HBP is an accident.

Let's just drill Pujols early on, it's probably better than letting him hit against us. ;)

GrizAdams
06-06-2007, 05:46 PM
What the is LaRussa talking about? It was so obvious it was a mistake pitch. As soon as Harang let it go and saw it him in the head he dropped his head and kicked the mound. Ross put his hand on Benett to see if he was alright.

Then, a few innings later a Cardinals relief pitcher (Ryan Franklin I think) whizzed a pitch right by Brandon Phillips' ear hole that nearly hit Phillips in the head. The next pitch, Franklin drilled him in the ribs. I wonder if he was trying to hit Phillips? Hmmmmmm.....

I was front row at the game, behind hp, and it was obvious that Harang didn't intend to hit Bennett.

I'd like to clarify that Tony feels that hitting or brushing back hitters can serve a purpose, but he considers hitting a player in the head completely unacceptable.

Btw, nice forum you have here.

George Foster
06-06-2007, 08:42 PM
Go have another drink Tony.....it was a breaking ball for God's sake, with a guy on base.