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reds44
06-07-2007, 06:08 PM
Hatteberg 3
Castro 6
Griffey 9
Phillips 4
Dunn 7
Encarnacion 5
Hamilton 8
Ross 2
Lohse 1

eastkyred
06-07-2007, 06:28 PM
unbelievable...the guy gets 2 hits last night...unbelievable. Maybe Narron is still remembering the LOB's from the bottom part of the order in game 1 so he put Hamilton down there to try and beef up the bottom of the lineup.

captainmorgan07
06-07-2007, 06:30 PM
narron is simply amazing castro in the 2 hole is enough to make me sick

DannyB
06-07-2007, 06:43 PM
Winning is secondary to having the perfect L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R lineup:rolleyes:

UC_Ken
06-07-2007, 06:55 PM
I know people around here get tired of the Jerry bashing but can anyone really defend this move? As bad as Jerry's lineups are this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I'd fire Jerry for this alone.

manofmoe
06-07-2007, 06:58 PM
I think you could dress a chimp up in a manager's uniform and get a better lineup than Castro hitting 2nd.

UC_Ken
06-07-2007, 07:01 PM
The only thing a chimp could do worse is to hit the pitcher leadoff in front of Castro. And I'm not so sure that's that much worse, isn't Lohse decent with the bat?

durl
06-07-2007, 07:03 PM
I'll try to defend Narron on this one.

1- It's not like other batters that have a higher OBP batting in the #2 spot have managed to score runs.

2 - Plus when good hitters are struggling in their spot in the lineup, everyone calls for them to be in a different spot. Castro does poorly in the 7-8 spots so moving him might help.

(OK, the second one's a stretch but the first one is pretty good, I think.)

aaronboonefan
06-07-2007, 07:32 PM
I'll try to defend Narron on this one.

1- It's not like other batters that have a higher OBP batting in the #2 spot have managed to score runs.

2 - Plus when good hitters are struggling in their spot in the lineup, everyone calls for them to be in a different spot. Castro does poorly in the 7-8 spots so moving him might help.

(OK, the second one's a stretch but the first one is pretty good, I think.)

I don't know if you can say #1 is a fact simply because there hasn't been any amount of consistency to prove it. Those with higher OBP are usually given one shot and then moved the next day. These hitters have no familiarity with those hitting before and after them so it is much more difficult to use "baseball" plays like hit and runs and so forth. Consistency is the key that hasn't been turned this year (or for the last 5 years).

Red in Atl
06-07-2007, 07:44 PM
I just happened to realize that 4 of the last 5 guys to manage the Reds (Knight, McKeon, Boone, Miley and Narron), shouldn't and won't ever get a managing job in MLB, again after their Reds tenure is over.

The guy they fired who did get another job, McKeon, won the World Series at his next job (Marlins). Bob C. said Narron is a "winner". I'd like to know what he's won in the past.

I've had it with inability to handle a pitching staff, his "new" lineup everynight, and his excuses for losing. Fire him and please, please, hire someone who is truly a winner.

I firmly believe that a good manager, and a few pointed additions to this team could certainly make them competetive in the pathetic NLC. And if we don't do this soon, it could be another 10 years before we can compete because all the talent has been wasted or destroyed.

DannyB
06-07-2007, 07:53 PM
I wonder if Jerry will treat the big crowds this weekend with this lineup?

WMR
06-07-2007, 08:05 PM
There is no defense for this move.

Jerry is a buffoon.

dsmith421
06-07-2007, 08:11 PM
There's nothing worse, long-term, for a losing club than a manager flailing to save his job. There is absolutely no way I'd trust Narron with Homer Bailey after what's happened to Arroyo over the last month.

Degenerate39
06-07-2007, 08:22 PM
I loathe Narron

HumnHilghtFreel
06-07-2007, 08:29 PM
There is no defense for this move.


The best defense is a good offense. Unfortunately it seems he doesn't know the best way to put one together;)

rotnoid
06-07-2007, 09:07 PM
The underlying problems though, are that this lineup has no 1's and no 4's. There are a bunch of 5,6, and 7 guys and well, they have to hit somewhere. Ordinarily, it would be a case of doing the best you can with what you have, but this is beyond that. Castro at 2 borders on negligent. I keep hearing theories on the radio that Narron is running out stuff like this and Todd Coffey over and over in order to prove to Krivsky that the team's not that good. I wish I had that kind of faith in him.

mole44
06-07-2007, 09:10 PM
Jerry Narron and Wayne Kivsky make Bob Boone and Dan O'Brien look good.....

fadetoblack2880
06-07-2007, 09:18 PM
Winning is secondary to having the perfect L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R lineup:rolleyes:

well said...

IrishDavidKY
06-07-2007, 09:30 PM
Castro batting second, Hatteberg leadoff?? How about Hopper in center, Hamilton in left and let Dunn sit the pine until he can figure out the strike zone.

muethibp
06-07-2007, 09:56 PM
I really have no issue at all with Hatteberg batting leadoff. He sees a lot of pitches, he gets on base. Speed at the top is overrated (see, e.g., Ryan Freel).

durl
06-08-2007, 10:09 AM
The underlying problems though, are that this lineup has no 1's and no 4's. There are a bunch of 5,6, and 7 guys and well, they have to hit somewhere. Ordinarily, it would be a case of doing the best you can with what you have, but this is beyond that. Castro at 2 borders on negligent. I keep hearing theories on the radio that Narron is running out stuff like this and Todd Coffey over and over in order to prove to Krivsky that the team's not that good. I wish I had that kind of faith in him.

I put up some semi-sarcastic stuff earlier, but perhaps Narron just wanted Castro to see some better pitches (with Griffey batting behind him) to see if it would improve his hitting.

Your first sentence is a good one. The Reds haven't established some of the basic positions in the lineup. That may be changing, though. With Encarnacion coming on like he has since getting his groove back in AAA, he could be a #4.

Some of you more educated line-up-filler-outters can tell me what you think about this lineup.

1- Hatteburg (3rd in OBP behind Griffey and EE)
2- Phillips (not great OBP but good speed)
3- Griffey (great at the plate this year)
4- EE
5- Hamilton
6- Dunn
7- Gonzales
8- Ross