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Reds Fanatic
06-12-2007, 10:22 PM
This just in from C. Trent's blog:


Just got a release that the Reds finished their trade with the A's for Chris Denorfia, getting left-hander Ben Jukich. Juckich, 24, pitch this season at Class A Stockton (3-4, 5.40 ERA) and will be assigned to Sarasota.

edabbs44
06-12-2007, 10:26 PM
Sounds like a winner.

M2
06-12-2007, 10:27 PM
Well, I missed on the main guy, but I the PTBNL right.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1322052&postcount=236

edabbs44
06-12-2007, 10:36 PM
From last year's BA draft preview:


Lefthander Ben Jukich led the NAIA in strikeouts (144) and strikeouts per nine innings (13.7) while setting Dakota Wesleyan records for whiffs in a season and in a game (17). He doesn't have overpowering stuff to match those numbers, though he does maintain an 88-89 mph throughout a game. His secondary pitches are just OK.

KoryMac5
06-12-2007, 10:37 PM
Good call M2: The 411 on Ben Jukich. Drafted in the 13th round last year, Jukich is 24 but he’s a LH pitcher with an outstanding curveball to go with a upper 80’s fastball and developing change-up. It’s the same repertoire of a certain someone who used to pitch for the Green and Gold, only Ben shows more groundball tendencies.

Joseph
06-12-2007, 10:38 PM
Taking up roster space eh?

KoryMac5
06-12-2007, 10:39 PM
From last year's BA draft preview:

He has improved those secondary pitches since the draft preview. His curveball was voted best in the A's minor league system.

pedro
06-12-2007, 10:46 PM
Biography:
* Drafted in the 13th round of the 2006 draft by the Oakland Athletics.
* Led the NAIA in strikeouts per nine innings in 2006.
* First Dakota Wesleyan player to be drafted.
* He had nine complete games in 13 starts.

IslandRed
06-12-2007, 10:53 PM
From looking at his stats, he has a respectable but not great 7.1 K/9 this year, and a 3/1 K/BB ratio, and the WHIP's okay for the California League. He's had some gopheritis this year, although that's not unheard of in that league. A little old for the level. For a throw-in, he's not totally useless. Being left-handed helps.

sonny
06-12-2007, 11:18 PM
Still has time to develop into a nice, servicable LH hurler. I like it.

KronoRed
06-13-2007, 01:52 AM
Old for his level, eh..another arm.

Patrick Bateman
06-13-2007, 01:58 AM
Old for his level, eh..another arm.

He's basically a LOOGY on the fast track. To be honest, I was fairly happy with McBeth already, so the fact that Jukich doesn't scream excitement isn't that big a deal to me. I was obviously hoping for more, but I'm not surprised.

I really liked Deno, and with the overall finish point of the trade, I find that it was fairly equal from a trade value standpoint. It was just reallocating the assets, and I think Krivsky did a decent enough job on it.

Eric_Davis
06-13-2007, 02:53 AM
Well, I missed on the main guy, but I the PTBNL right.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1322052&postcount=236

Nice call.

Who'd have thought the REDS were going to use a roper-dope strategy against Escobar on Tuesday. It worked to perfection.

The REDS let him beat them to death for six inning with 14 punchouts. When Escobar was too tired to pitch anymore, they let the Angels have it.

What a strategy.

:laugh:

RedsManRick
06-13-2007, 10:27 AM
A lefty with a plus plus curve. Can't control his stuff for crap apparently, but I'll take organizational pitching depth.

Johnny Footstool
06-13-2007, 10:32 AM
24 years old and still in A-ball = don't get your hopes up.

PuffyPig
06-13-2007, 03:39 PM
Who'd have thought the REDS were going to use a roper-dope strategy against Escobar on Tuesday. It worked to perfection.

The REDS let him beat them to death for six inning with 14 punchouts. When Escobar was too tired to pitch anymore, they let the Angels have it.

What a strategy.

:laugh:

We did get 3 runs off him in 6 innings, the same as the Angels got off Arroyo.

Who would have thought that the Reds bullpen would beat the Angels?

Keeping Shields and K-Rod out of the game was huge.

Spitball
06-13-2007, 06:55 PM
Can't control his stuff for crap apparently...

He might not be locating his pitches, but...


...and a 3/1 K/BB ratio...

jojo
06-13-2007, 07:21 PM
He has improved those secondary pitches since the draft preview. His curveball was voted best in the A's minor league system.

Hmmmm.....Beane traded away the guy voted the best change up in their minor league system for a guy who can't even play this season and completed the deal by giving away the guy voted best curve in their system. I'm thinking I'd rather not win those polls if you get my drift.....

:cool:

camisadelgolf
06-14-2007, 12:44 AM
I'm not so sure I'd label him as a LOOGY just yet. For starters, he's been a starter the entire year. Secondly, his lefty/right splits are rather drastic (i.e. 3.43 ERA vs. RHers and 10.47 ERA against LHers). After seeing that, I'm starting to wonder if he's actually left-handed. :confused::D

Rojo
06-14-2007, 03:16 AM
Lamisil usually works pretty well for Jukich

Sea Ray
06-14-2007, 02:43 PM
I'm not so sure I'd label him as a LOOGY just yet. For starters, he's been a starter the entire year. Secondly, his lefty/right splits are rather drastic (i.e. 3.43 ERA vs. RHers and 10.47 ERA against LHers). After seeing that, I'm starting to wonder if he's actually left-handed. :confused::D


I can't seem to picture that ERA stat. How do you compile an ERA vs RHs and one vs LHs?

Has the Saarloos trade been completed yet? Weren't there still a couple PTBNL yet to be determined?

princeton
06-14-2007, 03:05 PM
Lamisil usually works pretty well for Jukich

we have another LeCure

camisadelgolf
06-15-2007, 12:04 AM
I can't seem to picture that ERA stat. How do you compile an ERA vs RHs and one vs LHs?

Has the Saarloos trade been completed yet? Weren't there still a couple PTBNL yet to be determined?

I was thinking about that after I posted it. I have no idea. I Googled "era vs. left-handers" and received only a thread about *gasp* people complaining about Eric Milton on cincinnati.com.

My guess is that if a left-hander gets an RBI, regardless of who's on base, it raises the ERA vs. left-handers.

remdog
06-15-2007, 12:16 AM
Lamisil usually works pretty well for Jukich

THAT is so bad it's actually good. :laugh:

Rem

jmcclain19
06-15-2007, 12:39 AM
Anyone else upset about Krivsky's bold face lie about who the Reds got for Denorfia?

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070427&content_id=1933650&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin


Krivsky said one of the two players the Reds are receiving likely will be announced within the next three days. He indicated both were close to being Major League-ready. No specifics in regard to the cash considerations were disclosed.

A-Ball is not "major league ready". Not even close. In fact, it's the polar opposite of major league ready.

Aronchis
06-15-2007, 12:42 AM
Anyone else upset about Krivsky's bold face lie about who the Reds got for Denorfia?

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070427&content_id=1933650&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin



A-Ball is not "major league ready". Not even close. In fact, it's the polar opposite of major league ready.

Not really FWIW;)

jmcclain19
06-15-2007, 12:49 AM
Not really FWIW;)

heh - I guess with everything else going south that's just a drop in the bucket.

camisadelgolf
06-15-2007, 12:51 AM
I don't see it as a lie. All he needs is one more dominate pitch, and then he fits the bill as a solid ML reliever with two out pitches. :all_cohol

Ron Madden
06-15-2007, 03:14 AM
Anyone else upset about Krivsky's bold face lie about who the Reds got for Denorfia?

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070427&content_id=1933650&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin



A-Ball is not "major league ready". Not even close. In fact, it's the polar opposite of major league ready.


Par for the course my frend. I'm not one bit surprised.

KronoRed
06-15-2007, 11:57 AM
GM's can tell the truth? ;)

Gallen5862
06-15-2007, 01:58 PM
This just in from C. Trent's blog:
Just got a release that the Reds finished their trade with the A's for Chris Denorfia, getting left-hander Ben Jukich. Juckich, 24, pitch this season at Class A Stockton (3-4, 5.40 ERA) and will be assigned to Sarasota.

Maybe Wayne meant that he was already fitting in with the Reds pitching staff. So Wayne was saying he was near major league ready. :)