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mth123
06-17-2007, 12:17 PM
The Reds put Stanton on the DL today and recalled Michael Gosling. Gosling gets no mention on here, but this year working as a starter his stats:

70.67 IP, 3.06 ERA, 7.26 K/9, 2.67 BB/9, .89 HR/9, .297 BABIP, 3.89 FIP.

A lefty that can go multi-innings. Can probably lose his weakest pitch in the pen. He's still only 26. I think he should stay up the rest of the year and see if he can be a cheap LH swingman in 2008. This is a more interesting arm than people think IMO.

Hoosier Red
06-17-2007, 12:25 PM
I imagine the disaster that was last year's stint in the majors probably colors some people's perceptions but I'm willing to take your word for it Mth.

RedLegSuperStar
06-17-2007, 12:26 PM
with the inconsistancy of Lohse and Belisle.. you think one of them could be bumped to the pen and Gosling being named a starter?

Matt700wlw
06-17-2007, 12:26 PM
Mike did look a little funny running to first last night....

Kc61
06-17-2007, 12:29 PM
Interesting that Gosling gets the nod over Dumatrait.

PuffyPig
06-17-2007, 12:31 PM
with the inconsistancy of Lohse and Belisle.. you think one of them could be bumped to the pen and Gosling being named a starter?


Lohse has a DIPS ERA of 3.87, Belisle 3.93.

There's zero chance either is going to the bullpen at this stage.

RedLegSuperStar
06-17-2007, 12:34 PM
Interesting that Gosling gets the nod over Dumatrait.

last 10 games Dumatrait is 3-4 w/ a 4.55 era and 27k/25bb

whereas Gosling is 5-3 w/ 3.00 era and 53k/16bb in his last 10

mth123
06-17-2007, 12:37 PM
I imagine the disaster that was last year's stint in the majors probably colors some people's perceptions but I'm willing to take your word for it Mth.

Don't take my word. I'm not that smart. But last year he had one appearance for 1.333 innings so that is a little tough to judge. He may be a disaster but I'd rather find out about a 26 Y/O kid than keep going with some of these others. In AAA this year he seems to have gotten his command in order. His Ks are up and his BBs are down. He had shoulder troubles while in Arizona and perhaps he's just now bouncing back all the way from that. Prior to his shoulder issues he was thought of as a potential number 2 or 3 starter. He wouldn't be the first guy to emerge years later while still young as a decent reliever.

May as well find out. I'm simply optimistic about the opportunity.

Falls City Beer
06-17-2007, 12:42 PM
Lohse has a DIPS ERA of 3.87, Belisle 3.93.

There's zero chance either is going to the bullpen at this stage.

I agree that it's unlikely they'll be moved from the rotation, but I think Belisle's a unique case; he's moving out into uncharted waters as a MLB starter. Who knows if he's going to unravel?

Big Klu
06-17-2007, 01:02 PM
If he sticks, it could mean the end for Victor Santos. A lefty who can also serve as a long man fills multiple roles in the bullpen.

edabbs44
06-17-2007, 01:04 PM
Lohse has a DIPS ERA of 3.87, Belisle 3.93.

There's zero chance either is going to the bullpen at this stage.

They could have a DIPS ERA of zero...if they don't step it up pretty soon, they should go to the bullpen.

chicoruiz
06-17-2007, 01:13 PM
So now we have Stanton, Bray and Everyday Eddie as lefties trying to get back to Cincy. Be interesting to see who gets the call first...

Big Klu
06-17-2007, 01:19 PM
So now we have Stanton, Bray and Everyday Eddie as lefties trying to get back to Cincy. Be interesting to see who gets the call first...

I think that the one who would have been considered the longest of longshots at the beginning of the season will make it back first--Guardado. Now whether he should be back this soon is another matter.

RedsManRick
06-17-2007, 01:30 PM
They could have a DIPS ERA of zero...if they don't step it up pretty soon, they should go to the bullpen.

The whole point of DIPS is pointing out that the defense is who needs to step it up, not them.

KronoRed
06-17-2007, 01:53 PM
I wouldn't expect the D to suddenly change how they are

edabbs44
06-17-2007, 02:21 PM
The whole point of DIPS is pointing out that the defense is who needs to step it up, not them.

Absolutely...I'm sure Majewski's DIPS ERA looked better than his real ERA as well. When you're throwing BP, more batted balls go for hits.

Tony Cloninger
06-17-2007, 02:31 PM
This team needs more than 1 pitcher who can go...on a consistent basis....more than 1 inning in relief. The only one who seems to be able to do this...and do it effectively is Weathers. This team needs a Scott Sullivan...Paul Quantrill type.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2007, 02:35 PM
I wouldn't expect the D to suddenly change how they are

No, but I doubt they do better because Gosling is in the rotation. the only way Gosling is an upgrade over lohse right now is if he can post a DIPS ERA around 3.70. And considering he's had trouble doing that in AAA, leaves me to believe that he should be burried in the bullpen as a possible replacement for Santos.

Caveat Emperor
06-17-2007, 02:47 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem like this team has a new roster move every day of the week?

BTW Austin -- I don't think Mike Gosling is an upgrade over anything. Nothing I have seen from him leads me to believe he could retire major league hitters with regularity.

Patrick Bateman
06-17-2007, 02:55 PM
Agreed.

wheels
06-17-2007, 03:18 PM
So that's what happened.

You all should have heard us at the game wailing about Narron letting Stanton hit, then sending in another reliever.

Now I'm feeling dumber than ever.

Eric_Davis
06-17-2007, 05:46 PM
with the inconsistancy of Lohse and Belisle.. you think one of them could be bumped to the pen and Gosling being named a starter?

That would be better for Belisle as he's already thrown for more innings than either of his last two years.

Doc. Scott
06-17-2007, 06:23 PM
Gosling's control has improved over 2006 by a walk per nine innings while his strikeout rate has increased slightly. Perhaps he's figured something out or added something new.

OldRightHander
06-17-2007, 07:34 PM
So that's what happened.

You all should have heard us at the game wailing about Narron letting Stanton hit, then sending in another reliever.

Now I'm feeling dumber than ever.

I was thinking the same thing.

chicoruiz
06-17-2007, 09:58 PM
This team needs more than 1 pitcher who can go...on a consistent basis....more than 1 inning in relief.

Amen, brother...Perhaps Narron's most annoying tendency for me is his habit of burning through middle relivers one out at a time in the 6th and 7th innings. For the love of God, let them stay in and figure out how to pitch in this league. He's got to be tiring a guy like Coutlangus out by warming him up every freaking day.